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DT Mailbag: Jesus Shuttlesworth to OKC?

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I have now seen two different national commentators mention “Ray Allen” and “Thunder” in the same sentence.  Think there is any chance of that happening? — Ben G.

What’s less than zero? Sub zero? In theory, it sounds wonderful. Bringing in the greatest shooter of all time to play the wing and run off screens, helping the offense with ball movement and spacing. Having Allen give the Thunder added scoring punch while also relieving pressure off of Westbrook and Durant.

Like I said, it sounds pretty good. But what does OKC give Boston to make it happen? We all love to overvalue players, but the Celtics aren’t giving up Ray Allen without quality compensation back. He’s on an expiring deal, so in this case, that actually raises his value even more. Besides, that’s a pretty bold move to make when you already have the best record in the game and seem pretty settled 1-through-10 already. But here’s my completely, entirely 100 percently for fun trade bringing Allen to OKC:

Nazr Mohammed and Thabo Sefolosha plus a pick to Boston for Allen. If OKC acquires Allen, it means less need for Thabo this season, Cole Aldrich can and should fill the void of Mohammed and the Celtics get a premier wing defender and interior help, plus Mohammed’s deal expires. Allen’s $10 million comes off the books this summer and the Thunder have an extra shooter/scorer on the floor with KD and Westbrook. Plus a smallball lineup of Westbrook, Allen, Harden, Durant and Perk sounds pretty good, doesn’t it?

But again, it’s not happening. I think.

Do you think Westbrook could one day surpass KD? Or in your opinion will KD remain the superior player? — Matthew R.

Could he? Sure. Heck, you could maybe make the case now that he is. I’ve always felt Westbrook had a near untouchable ceiling. He’s a mini LeBron. Big, strong, fast and if the jumper is falling, you can’t defend him. Plus, I think we could all point out a lot of different areas Westbrook could and should improve.

But I don’t think that’s going to happen. KD is an otherworldly talent, but what makes him so special is his commitment to getting better. He’s just 23, but you can see the areas he’s come so far in already. And he’s just going to keep rising.

But like KD said when asked a reporter at Golden State, what’s it matter? They’re both entirely awesome, both getting better and both make the Thunder a really good team. I know we like to define alpha roles, but with the way Westbrook and Durant are playing off each other now, I’m not sure it’s an issue.

Simple question. How often do you watch First Take? If you watch it often, how much do you hate Skip Bayless and his constant Westbrook bashing? — Brandon C.

Truthfully, I can’t say that I’ve watched it at all this season. I’ve seen Skip’s tweets and I catch a video that’s posted every now and then. Thing is, people are entitled to those type of opinions, no matter how wrong they may be. What Skip’s setting himself up for is when Westbrook struggles in the postseason late in a game and OKC loses is he can yell, “SEE! I TOLD YOU! I TOLD YOU THIS WOULD HAPPEN!” Unless the Thunder win a title this season, he’s going to be “proven” right, even if he’s already wrong. He’s just playing the odds.

The nonsense about Westbrook shooting more than KD is such an arbitrary thing. Just going by plain shot attempts off a box score doesn’t come close to telling the whole story. KD’s got a higher free throw rate and in despite Westbrook having a higher overall usage rate, Durant’s is higher in crunch-time. Now if it were a nightly thing of 26 shots to 16, then yeah, that would be a thing. But one or two more doesn’t mean anything, especially when the Thunder are winning and possess one of the league’s most deadly offenses.

You wouldn’t hear anyone say anything about Dwyane Wade taking more shots than LeBron James, so why does Westbrook get punished for it? He’s an equally important part to the Thunder’s scoring machine as KD is. The Thunder need Westbrook’s scoring. It’s by design. To say that he must shoot less than KD really just shows off an elementary understanding of how basketball works.

Regarding people like Skip Bayless and others complaining that Westbrook takes too many shots.  Does Scott Brooks want him taking that many shots or is it Westbrook not listening to the coaching staff and just looking for his own shot? If Westbrook shoots too much, why doesn’t Scott Brooks put Harden at the 1 and Westbrook at the 2 on offense and let him dart in for offensive rebounds? I think just think Westbrook needs to not fall in love with his jumper and still attack the rim, and he will be fine. — Randy

The Thunder have absolutely no problem with how much Westbrook shoots. As long as they’re good looks that aren’t forced. Scott Brooks would even tell you that KD forces some shots sometimes. But that’s basketball. Sometimes you put up a bad shot. For whatever reason, Westbrook just doesn’t seem to receive the same forgiveness in that area.

So I was thinking about what Barkley has been saying about OKC needing a post game. When you look at largely post-centered offenses you think of a team that gets fouled a lot and shoots a high percentage from the field. Per HoopData, OKC ranks 2nd in True Shooting percentage, 2nd in FG% and 1st in Free Throw Rate. — Dustin T.

That’s not a question, just a really smart comment.

If the Thunder amnesty Perk, can they keep Harden and Ibaka?  And do you think Sam Presti will do that if it’s the only way he can keep Ibaka? — Henry C.

It’s an interesting though. If Perk were amnesty’d it would definitely give OKC a better chance of keeping both Harden and Ibaka. It’s a numbers game and the more money you have, the better the chance is.

Would Presti do it? Don’t know. I’m sure he’s already thinking about these scenarios and that might be involved. But I think that implies the one thing no one wants to say: Clay Bennett might just be willing to pay the luxury tax. We all act like it’s an impossibility and while it’s certainly improbable, I would rule it out. If Bennett, a guy that spent some $50 million just bringing the team here for crapsakes, wants to keep his supercool young core together, he might just pony up the dollars to do so.

I’m a Perk apologist, but I wouldn’t be opposed. I think Ibaka’s long-term value outweighs Perk and if the decision seriously came down to choosing between Perk or Ibaka, I would choose Ibaka.

Is it just me, or does it seem like half of Westbrook’s turnovers are due to Ibaka and Perkins having bricks for hands / not being ready for passes when they should be? Take last night’s game: I think the first two plays were two turnovers due to passes that hit Perkins in the hands and he didn’t catch them. Ibaka isn’t much better at catching / being ready for passes. How often do you see them effectively grabbing a low pass in the paint or positioning for a dunk instead of rebound while Westbrook drives? Seems very rare despite multiple attempts per game. Plus, from Westbrook’s frustration after many of those turnovers, it appears he thinks it’s not all his fault either. I think this is an underrated part of what Thabo brought to the table too – it gave Westbrook two capable finishers at the rim to dump to on a drive instead of just Durant. Thoughts? — Paul L.

Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.

How did Kevin Durant get the nickname Katy? — Thomas A.

That’s going to be the next Thunder text question on FS Oklahoma. You watch.

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Old Man Game 1070 pts

Stats guys here's something new for you. Makes a lot of sense I think.

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/03/mapping-the-n-b-a/

 

Instead of just looking at raw numbers now they are beginning to connect those numbers to where the plays are actually happening on the court. 

ILikePancakes 1913 pts

Mavs are in some big problems right now, i hope for a blowout March 5.

OBoymuzik 1861 pts

 RodneyRosavelRusanWilson dallas lost to a team where EVERY PLAYER IS ON THE TRADING BLOCK FOR THE SAME PRICE....amazing

RodneyRosavelRusanWilson 613 pts

 OBoymuzik Monty Williams is doing a great job, they always compete hard... although we did spank them

f5alcon 1021 pts

 RodneyRosavelRusanWilson clippers only have 1 game lead on the lakers, i really don't want them to fall to 4th and have to play them in the 2nd rd

PatrickGaryLaMascus 17 pts

 f5alcon  RodneyRosavelRusanWilson 

 

I couldnt' disagree more

 

Old Man Game 1070 pts

 f5alcon  RodneyRosavelRusanWilson Bring 'em on!

LPCes99 231 pts

@Old Man Game @f5alcon @RodneyRosavelRusanWilson Since when r we afraid of the clippers ? Even though we handled the lakers I'd rather not play them bc Kobe is still Kobe

ThunderWins 510 pts

Whatever the heck Channing Frye is doing guarding Griffin, who on our team could do this?

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

Do any of you follow Tony Durant? KD's brother? He seems like a total immature imbecile... it worries me a tiny bit that KD left Goodwin with plans to join LeBron/CP's agency and that his bro is handling his affairs in the meantime....

RodneyRosavelRusanWilson 613 pts

 SammyThunderer I can see the cause for concern, but hey, i guess KD trusts him... plus, just because someone is off cuff on twitter doesnt mean they will betray/mismanage their little brothers affairs

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

 RodneyRosavelRusanWilson True. And even if Tony D is giving his brother bad advice, gotta trust KD to do what's right and be his own man.

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

 RodneyRosavelRusanWilson Still a little worrisome that someone so close to him is so damn dumb. And we know how much KD values family and loyalty... doubt he'd ever want to do wrong by his older brother.

OBoymuzik 1861 pts

 SammyThunderer  RodneyRosavelRusanWilson on the other hand Russell's relationship with his little brother is awesome

RodneyRosavelRusanWilson 613 pts

 SammyThunderer I feel like when you make that much money its hard to say no... if i had KD money and my big brother really wanted me to invest half a million in some random business venture, i might give in

OBoymuzik 1861 pts

 SammyThunderer lol i do, and your right, i think it was just an effort to get his brother involved

RodneyRosavelRusanWilson 613 pts

 OBoymuzik  SammyThunderer that said tho, i dont follow him

shiki 485 pts

 SammyThunderer Why dont super stars trust Goodwin?He was agent of Howard,Lebron and KD but cannot keep them long time.

RodneyRosavelRusanWilson 613 pts

 shiki  SammyThunderer i think he's seen as a good first agent, someone who can get you success, but maybe not success at success at success

Old Man Game 1070 pts

 SammyThunderer First of all yes, Tony seems less than brilliant from what I've heard of him, but honestly I'm not sure it would be that hard to negotiate his deals. When you're selling Kevin Durant and an offer comes your way, your the one with the power at the bargaining table. You'll be able to say NO a lot more than YES if you choose.  At most I'd think he should have an attorney review the contract to explain any legalese they don't get but beyond that they'll be fine.

RodneyRosavelRusanWilson 613 pts

I know its been mentioned, but Lebron passing at the last second was crazy! I'd be so mad if I was his coach or team mate... they almost should just leave him on the bench when its under 5 seconds in a close game, dude wants no part of it... I hit a game winning shot at the buzzer when i was in 8th grade in my AAU championship game! how can lebron have less heart than a 13 year old?

ThunderWins 510 pts

Nash is having Russ-like 6 TO game.

ThunderWins 510 pts

7  Nash is walking turnover machine tonite

Arent 593 pts

Griffin isn't really good at anything other than dunking.

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

 JakeArent and rebounding and passing and he's really really really good at dunking and he does it a lot.

ThunderWins 510 pts

 JakeArent If we had that Russ would have 10 assists a game

Old Man Game 1070 pts

So speaking of overrated teams, how about these Clippers. I really think the loss of Chauncey was huge for them. Does anyone fear them? It doesn't appear that way. 

ThunderWins 510 pts

 Old Man Game I fear them if they go over 50% from 3s against us again!

ThunderWins 510 pts

 Old Man Game That was such a freak game.

Old Man Game 1070 pts

 ThunderWins Yeah. I've been dying for some payback ever since. 

shiki 485 pts

 Old Man Game Thabo did great job in guarding OJ mayo,Mo Williams and Foye are the same type players and not better than him.

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

 Old Man Game Playoff CP terrifies me.

ThunderWins 510 pts

 SammyThunderer  Old Man Game I would prefer the Lakers take the first crack against the Clippers.

ThunderWins 510 pts

 SammyThunderer  Old Man Game It would be so entertaining seeing a playoff series where all the games are in the same building!

ThunderWins 510 pts

Suns up big on Clips  63 52 going into the 4th

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

What is OKC's best lineup vs the Heat? I think, like vs. Denver, you want to go small with Ibaka playing the 5.

ThunderWins 510 pts

 SammyThunderer Its obvious they can be crushed on the boards which Ibaka is good.

Old Man Game 1070 pts

 SammyThunderer I like that too. 

ElMexiThunder 492 pts

 SammyThunderer

 Westbrook/Cook/Harden/KD/Ibaka five, or Westbrook/Harden/Thabo/KD/Ibaka?

ElMexiThunder 492 pts

@SammyThunderer Last year the line up we had that worked pretty well was well the same one thats been pretty much our best for two plus years now. Russ/Harden/KD/Ibaka/Collison

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Crow 316 pts

4 of 6 Ibaka  at the 5 spot lineups did well last season against the Heat.

Crow 316 pts

But the most used version of that was only Brook's 8th most used lineup against the Heat.

ElMexiThunder 492 pts

If i were Lebron i much rather people call me Lebrick for at least missing the last second shots, then being the super star god like player for 47 minutes and 55 seconds, who was always too afraid to take the last shot if there were 5 seconds left in the clock.

 

I can't remember if it was Jimbo or One Man Game last night in the comments who said something similar to this "Lebron may be better, but to me KD seems like the one you win with", i totally agree. Whats the point of being so good the entire game except the last part where it counts the most 80 percent of the time?

ThunderWins 510 pts

 ElMexiThunder KD had to work hard for this.  I remember him struggling big time in the clutch in previous years.

ThunderWins 510 pts

 ElMexiThunder Remember when Green was more clutch then KD?

Old Man Game 1070 pts

 ThunderWins  ElMexiThunder Yeah that's true. So many times I was left complaining that he had forced something up. But hidden in that was the good news, he wants to take the shot. He welcomes the weight of that moment.  And now all those failures are paying off with the experience to succeed in these situations. 

ThunderWins 510 pts

 Old Man Game  ElMexiThunder I almost wonder if playing all these close games is actually preparing KD and Russ for the playofffs.

 

Rather then blowing everyone out like Heat are, Thunder are having to stress it out big time to win games in tough situations and not coast through.