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Thunder humble the Warriors, 110-87

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You know it’s been a good night at The Peake when the main things you’re paying attention in the fourth quarter is if Kevin Durant might get his first ever triple-double, if James Harden might top his career-high and if Cole Aldrich might accidentally decapitate one of his own teammates swiping wildly at every Golden State shot.

The two games Oklahoma City played in Oracle Arena against the Warriors were high scoring, tight games but the one played Friday in the Thunder’s building only had one team doing much scoring. I don’t know if the Thunder were ultrafocused from letting one slip away against the Rockets or if they’re just that good at home, but either way, a 110-87 win says a little something.

James Harden, doing that whole Sixth Man of the Year thing, came off the Thunder bench in the second quarter and basically sparked the run that ended this one. He scored 15 of his game-high 25 in the second and helped take a seven-point first quarter deficit to a 10-point halftime lead as OKC outscored the Warriors 38-22 in the second.

The Thunder moved the ball really well totaling 24 assists for the second consecutive home game, but the turnovers (19) and offensive rebounds for the Warriors (22) are two places that Brooks can get after his team about tomorrow. Though he said before the game that he might just stop talking to them about the turnovers and give them the silent treatment. Why not, because it doesn’t seem like whatever else he’s been doing is really sinking in.

Still, that’s picking nits at a 23-point win. Because when you hold a team to 34.8 percent from the field, they’re going to get a crack at a lot of offensive rebounds. The big thing that matters if those rebounds are converted into points, which in this case, they were not.

OKC gave up an average of 112.5 points in the two games at Golden State. They held the Warriors to 87 tonight at home. Better defense, worse Golden State shooting and no Monta Ellis eruption did the trick. Outside of David Lee, who really did almost all of his work in the first 16 minutes, the Warriors got nothing. Consider this one: The Warriors had scored at least 90 points in 18 straight games before the Thunder put the locks on them Friday.

Pretty much exactly how you’d hope to start a five-game homestand taking place in a week. An easy win, a good performance and the starters get some fourth quarter rest. The Warriors had been playing well and as Mark Jackson talked about before the game, had finally started to feel like they were good. They approached this game as a setting-the-bar type of night, something to measure themselves after a stint of recent success. The conclusion? Not quite there, Warriors.

NOTES:

  • Westbrook went down late in the third after rolling his ankle and was taken to the locker room. The official word is a right ankle sprain and he did not return to the game. The Thunder were up by 20 most of the fourth though and following the game looked entirely fine as he didn’t have any ice on it and wasn’t limping. Westbrook hasn’t missed a game in four years in the NBA, so I doubt he’ll sit out Sunday.
  • By the way, KD didn’t get that triple-double, because like the last time he was closing in on it, he sat the entire fourth per the blowout.
  • Westbrook deserves some serious credit for his defense on Ellis. Remember, last time Ellis went off for 48. This time, you could see Russ was ready for the challenge. He didn’t let Ellis breathe, didn’t give him any clean jumpers and between Ibaka and Mohammed crashing around the rim every time Ellis drove, there just wasn’t anything easy. In the end, Ellis wound up with 37 fewer points than last time.
  • Westbrook, Durant and Harden combined for 66 points on 39 shots.
  • Bill Simmons has dubbed Royal Ivey the top chemist in the NBA because of his bench and locker room chemistry. But he got real minutes again in this one and knocked down three 3s and scored nine points. If he’s going to play like that, I’m going to start calling him Heisenberg.
  • Brooks: “We still had a few too many turnovers and a few too many offensive rebounds given up.” I’m going to keep that one on the clipboard to just copy and paste for every recap the rest of the season.
  • Brooks on injuries: “It’s all part of it. You play through it. You can’t do nothing about it.”
  • One thing about Westbrook’s assists: He only had three  tonight, but that’s just not fair. Because there were at least five left on the floor by his teammates. Blocked dunks, missed layups, bad jumpers — Westbrook did his part setting them up. They just didn’t finish the rest. Now obviously the overall trend isn’t entirely on that, but this game Westbrook could’ve, and probably should’ve, had eight or nine.
  • The Thunder picked up their eighth consecutive home win, which is the first time that’s happened since 2004-05.
  • There really is something beautiful about the two man game between Harden and Collison. It’s so entrepreneurial. There’s nothing set about it. You can tell everything that happens from it comes directly from having tremendous feel and chemistry with each other.
  • With Perk out, Cole Aldrich got legit minutes. The verdict? Slightly on the good side of meh. His very first play he but on a pump fake and came crashing down on top of KD’s head. He was decent — two points, three rebounds and a block — and it’s definitely easy to appreciate his energy. I think he just might’ve been trying a little too hard.
  • Something you don’t see all the time: After Lazar Hayward got hit in the face late in the fourth and stayed on a knee, KD, Harden, Mohammed and Ibaka all walked from the bench to check on him.
  • Some guy named the “Human Flag” performed at halftime and basically he just did a manly pole dance. Just a buff gymnast type doing side pullups and such. But the best part? He wore jeans for some reason. I don’t know why, but it killed me.
  • KD seriously cannot keep his mouthpiece in his mouth.
  • Nazr Mohammed looked good in his first start of the season. Not a big line, but quality work. Fun Nazr stat: Mohammed’s last start was March 16 of last season against Miami. The Thunder are now 7-1 when Mohammed starts.
  • The Ryans — Rex, Buddy and Rob — were in the house tonight.
  •  Brian Davis Line of the Night via @DustRagu: “I’m gonna have a little bit of toast with some rattlesnake jam.”

 Next up: Home against the Nuggets Sunday.

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cdub00 28 pts

2011-2012... PTs + reb + assts... RW is number 3 per 48 mins behind only rose and d will.

Crow 316 pts

cdub00 and that is one of the worse metrics to go by compared to the better alternatives like offensive efficiency which includes so much more important detail .

cdub00 28 pts

Crow U know what best indicator is of what the best team is? Points. As in, winning the game because u scored more pts than the opponent. Sorry my metrics don't support ur negative opinion. I mean, losha is out so u r hatin on Russ? I don't get it. And to say collison is more of a reason we r where we r than Westbrook undermines ur credibility even more than the comical list u pooped out earlier. U lost man, sorry.

Crow 316 pts

you repeat yourself a lot. and keep trying to make it personal and throwing hate changes so i'm done talking to you a while or longer.

cdub00 28 pts

Crow Well ur stats don't back up ur negative outlook of an all star on the thunder so deuces then. By the way, telling u ur wrong is not a "hate exchange" and is not "making it personal". Y don't u try to focus on the weak argument u r trying to make? Lol

Crow 316 pts

cdub00 I meant "hate charges". Sorry for the typo. You accused me of hating Westbrook several times. I don't. I have focused on his stat flaws but that is not hate.

HookemKD 138 pts

Crow cdub00 The fact that I can't even find individual offensive efficiency tells me how meaningless it is. Who's in the top 10 of efficiency and how do historical greats stack up? Westbrook is also a good defender.

Crow 316 pts

HookemKDcdub00 Player offensive efficiency = Offensive rating at basketball reference.

top 10 on efficiency this season

Offensive Rating 1. Tyson Chandler-NYK 136.4 2. Ryan Anderson-ORL 128.3 3. James Harden-OKC 125.1 4. Chris Paul-LAC 122.8 5. LeBron James-MIA 120.0 6. Danilo Gallinari-DEN 118.7 7. J.J. Redick-ORL 117.3 8. Kevin Love-MIN 117.3 9. Nicolas Batum-POR 116.5 10. Joakim Noah-CHI 116.4

top 10 career

1. Steve Kerr 122.06 2. Reggie Miller 121.48 3. Chris Paul 121.04 4. Magic Johnson* 120.79 5. John Stockton* 120.55 6. Kiki Vandeweghe 119.49 7. Sidney Moncrief 119.40 8. Charles Barkley* 119.31 9. Adrian Dantley* 119.30 10. Steve Nash 118.55

cdub00 28 pts

neither list is very impressive which tells me that offensive efficiency isn't as important as some peeps think. I mean any list that has noah and batum in the top 10 offensively is a little shaky i think. while it is important, i don't see that stat as THE stat that determines if a player is worth of our fandom and basketball respect or not. Westbrook's biggest weakness is turnovers which are costly, but the thunder lead the league in TO's (largely due to westbrook) and they have one of the best records in the league and are on track to obtain home court througout the playoffs so that pretty much backs up what i am trying ot get at.

Crow 316 pts

cdub00 Efficiency is only part of the story, not the whole story, you are correct on that. Usage is the other part. Great offensive players are good or great on both. Some of these guys are efficient but don't use many possessions. Westbrook uses a ton a possessions at about league average efficiency. How good or great that combination is depends on the viewer's standards and the team context. Westbrook's numbers are better in the context of a strong winning team than they may appear on their own. Playoffs will be the more important test.

Crow 316 pts

cdub00 top 10 career on efficiency / Offensive rating list has 4 hall of famers, 4 guys headed there and a guy with 5 championship rings. IMO that is a pretty impressive list.

Crow 316 pts

Crowcdub00 The 10th guy was a 5 time All-Star who made the playoffs every season of his career.

cdub00 28 pts

Russ top 3 pg. Name 3 better if u don't agree....

Crow 316 pts

Lost Onescdub00 see my answer below if you want to continue the conversation

cdub00 28 pts

@LostCrow Ones G friggin Hill? U can't be serious. Anderson? Garnett? Gasol was beat out by russ' team in the playoffs. That list of crow all stars is a joke, frankly.

cdub00 28 pts

@LostCrow Ones Paul is ONLY name I agree with.

cdub00 28 pts

@LostCrow Ones 1) Paul 2) RW 3) rose. IMO.

Crow 316 pts

cdub00@lost yeah a lot of people see it that way. my opinion and the stats i based my opinion on are not mainstream and are ultimately just another opinion.

cdub00 28 pts

Crow So I will ask again since u still haven't answered...... Who r top 3 PGs?

Crow 316 pts

cdub00@lost Hill has strong RAPM, is dirt cheap right now and will probably only get L Williams to K Lowry money and thus will stay a good value which helps overall cap management and can help in trying to field a team with enough good players to win a title. unclear whether they can fit durant, westbrook, ibaka, harden.perkins under whatever team budget level the owners decide to allow. a $5-7 million starting PG can be a good value. maybe a better value than a $13 going up to $17 million starting PG with lower efficiency and lower RAPM.

cdub00 28 pts

Crow That is totally different issue. Russ is lightyears better than hill. No? U take hill, I take Russ.

Crow 316 pts

cdub00@lost actually i now see g hill's rapm has declined so i'd be less strong on him. but i gave you more than 5 so hill is not critical.

cdub00 28 pts

Crow For the 4th time, what POINT GUARDS are better? I give u Paul, but there aren't 2 others...

Crow 316 pts

cdub00 you apparently havent looked below, try it

Crow 316 pts

cdub00@lost the fair comparison is between westbrook at his coming salary vs the other PGs and what else you can buy with any leftover money

cdub00 28 pts

Crow Ur reaching. Argument us over. That list is a joke. Lowry? hill? Irving? Only two are legit, Paul and rose. Nash was better but he is done. What does he play like half the game? I would take Russ over all but Paul.

Crow 316 pts

cdub00 if the argument is over then you don't need to keep telling yourself that... do you? i would hope not. of course i disagree with you on your opinion and dont see much use continuing on that point or maybe any others. i got other stuff to get to...

cdub00 28 pts

Bye then. No need to be salty, or does that make it feel better when u lose an argument.

courtsense 1289 pts

I'd be curious to know if there is historical precedent for a player radically changing a certain negative aspect of his game over time/years. For example, if a player is poor passer, poor defender, poor shooter, whatever - how often do those negatives actually get turned around and become either neutral tendencies or positive? My guess would be that 99.9% of the time, players are who they are and at best improve only incrementally if at all. In other words, a PG who led the league in turnovers in 3 of his first 4 years will likely never stop doing so.

cdub00 28 pts

courtsense Disagree with the hypothesis. Jordan wasn't Jordan his first few years, right?

Crow 316 pts

cdub00courtsense Jordan first seasons on boxscore stats: shooting efficiency almost at his career average, rebounding about 20% weaker, passing a little weaker, steals 15% stronger, blocks way stronger, turnovers about 20% weaker,. Overall he was about 20% weaker on win shares per 48 minutes.

cdub00 28 pts

Crow courtsense So I'm right then. Players can improve/decline

Crow 316 pts

cdub00courtsense Of course you are right on that.

cdub00 28 pts

Crow courtsense Thank u. Lol

Crow 316 pts

courtsense Most players probably reduce turnovers by middle age, based on what I've seen and remember, not a comprehensive survey right now. Most get better as a defender. Most get better as a passer up to a point. That is part of why older teams win championships. Not regular season wins, championships. That is the real goal right?

courtsense 1289 pts

Hey Crow, is there any way to calculate how certain 2-man combos play together? For example, I'd be curious to see Westbrook + Ibaka vs SCurry and DLee. Thanks!

Crow 316 pts

courtsense yeah it can be done. give me a minute.

Crow 316 pts

courtsense Westbrook + Ibaka vs SCurry and DLee, Thunder won those minutes this season by 15.

cdub00 28 pts

Did a linear regression on the single statistical category that determines salary the most and u know what that was? Points. Not O Eff, not assists, not D Eff, not eFG%. y would they base salary on points u ask? Because points = wins and wins = revenue. Simple.

Crow 316 pts

cdub00 correlation between stats and salary says nothing about stats correlation with wins. salary and wins are not very correlated.

correlation between stats and salary says nothing about stats correlation with wins. player salary and team wins are not very correlated.

points = wins at team level, not individual player.

cdub00 28 pts

Crow salary is mostly determined by points scored. Why would that be? Because points scored are largest factor in wins. No denying RW is top 2 or 3 pg in league. And basketball is a team game, not individual. Russ does what is needed to win. 23-7 with Russ starting every game. Kind of hard to overlook that don't u think?

Crow 316 pts

cdub00 salary is mostly determined by points scored. Why would that be? Because most GMs are not as accurate with their spending as they should be, in part. Yes points determine winners but as 4rzr said ultimately you have to more efficient with about the same number of possessions as your opponent gets.

Crow 316 pts

cdub00 RW is not in the top 2-3 PGs on winshares per 48 minute (he is 14th) or RAPM (he is 12th) or offensive rating (he is 30th among those playing 25+ minutes per game).

cdub00 28 pts

Crow Point of basketball is to win games, not massage spreadsheets, right? U take #1 eff, I will take most wins.

Crow 316 pts

cdub00 Were would the Thunder be without the very efficient Durant, Harden and even Collison, Cook and Sefolosha? Not as high on wins as they are I bet, I know.

cdub00 28 pts

Crow That depends on who replaced them, can't play with a few guys. Lol

Crow 316 pts

cdub00 if they were replaced by players with the same, lower offensive efficiency as Westbrook, then, all else held equal, they would likely win less. Right?

cdub00 28 pts

Crow That is totally hypothetical. Russ winning 23 games out of 30 as at the starting pg is not hypothetical. right?

Crow 316 pts

cdub00the team winning 23 games out of 30 with him as at the starting pg is not hypothetical. just as the team winning 23 games out of 30 with collison as perhaps the best role player in the league is not hypothetical. the team winning "because" of either them and more because of them than other players can be considered on "objective measures" but in the end is probably better called subjective and debatable as it is being debated right now.