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Thunder doesn’t miss a beat handling San Antonio 108-96

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So, I think the second unit might be just fine.

OK, that’s probably way too early of a judgment, but considering the way the Thunder, and more importantly the second unit, performed sans Eric Maynor for the first time definitely should make Thunder fans feel a tad bit better.

Powered by 53 bench points, Oklahoma City used a 37-21 third quarter to run the Spurs out of The Peake 108-96 and become the first team to sweep its back-to-back-to-back. Three nights, three wins.

Scott Brooks though wasn’t about to get too excited about handling the Spurs. He was happy to win, but wanted to keep it in perspective.

“You have to put things in proper perspective. Ginobili is a big part of their team and he didn’t play,” Brooks said. “A few other guys only played a few minutes and this was their fourth game in five nights.”

The Thunder took the game over and moved it into cruise control territory in the third quarter, but the bench sparked a big run in the second pretty much as soon as Reggie Jackson entered. With 2:20 left in the first Jackson entered and when he exited with about five left in the second, Oklahoma City had outscored the Spurs by 10. It didn’t have the same look as an Eric Maynor led bench mob, but the results were virtually the same. The Thunder’s bench did its job and Jackson did a very nice job at the helm.

“I thought he did well,” Brooks said. “I thought he did a really good job of picking his spots and running the team.”

It was a little hard to know how Scott Brooks would approach the rotation without Maynor. I thought Royal Ivey might see a bit of burn and who knows, he may have, except Jackson stepped up beautifully and played with confidence and comfort. No need to even think about Ivey. He’s not anywhere near the backup point man Maynor is and Jackson will have rookie struggles I’m sure, but for a first effort in a real role, it’s hard not to be impressed. Brooks handled it really well too. He didn’t baby Jackson along. He threw him right in where Maynor would normally go and let him play his game. Make mistakes, miss assignments — whatever. Just play.

The Thunder broke a six-game losing streak to the Spurs and did it with a little style. Holding the Spurs right at 40 percent, shooting 50 percent, killing the boards, closing down San Antonio’s perimeter game — all around a really solid, quality win for Oklahoma City. Especially considering the circumstances.

NOTES:

  • KD was in legit triple-double territory with 21 points, 10 rebounds and seven assists. Too bad he didn’t play any in the fourth quarter.
  • Russell Westbrook played a messy, but solid game. He had 13 points on 13 shots with five assists, but was under control and made mostly smart plays.
  • With Jackson running point, Brooks called out a lot more plays than he does with Westbrook. Not really surprising, but mildly interesting. At least to me.
  • Harden has got his Eurostep game down. He juked Tiago Splitter with one in the first half that almost made me fall down.
  • Scott Brooks quote tonight: “At times I try and muck up the lineups to try and create some confusion.” He was just answering a question about how Collison came in earlier than usual and his rotation was a little different. But still, that quote is fun in other ways.
  • It’s weird how some players just have certain ticks. Like Jackson prefers to bring the ball up with his left hand and keeps his right up almost in a stop motion.
  • Nick Collison with a double-double. And Thabo had nine and swished two corner 3s. At one point in the first half, Thabo and Collison were outscoring Durant and Westbrook 19-4.
  • Sometimes it can just seem like Serge Ibaka is everywhere. He had three blocks but seemed like he nearly blocked 30.
  • My favorite part of the game was when Collison was totally abusing Matt Bonner. That was everything I ever wanted in a basketball game.
  • I think this was the first time in four or five games that KD didn’t split his first two free throws. And he went 10-10 for the game.
  • As James Harden walked back onto the court after each timeout, he held up six fingers, said “six” and tapped his chest. Nice gesture for Maynor. Harden also said the team’s dedicated the season for Maynor.
  • Said Harden: “The whole season is now for Eric. It’s a tough loss. We were all sad. We got to spend some time with him last night at his house just giving some comfort and showing him how much we care.”
  • You know who really enjoys dancing during pregame intros? Russell Westbrook.
  • I’m liking Westbrook’s post-up game quite a lot, but one thing he has to improve on is not going tunnel vision once he gets there. He has to improve passing the ball out of it. Teams are wanting to double him a bit when he gets it on the block because he’s so much bigger and stronger than other point guards, but Westbrook had to take full advantage of his post game.
  • Westbrook needs to just take an extra tenth of a second to gather himself before firing a 3. He’s set, but almost too set, if that makes sense. He’s completely rigid. Either a dribble or just a hop might help him. Just a thought.
  • Scott Brooks pulled out one of my favorite coach complain moves: Complain the ref you think missed the call and when he doesn’t agree, complain all the way across the court to another one so that the other guy hears it. Totally shows up the first ref.
  • The halftime show was some dude named Rubber Boy and he basically tore every ligament and broke every bone in his body for about eight minutes. No thanks, I saw plenty of ligament damage already in Houston.
  • Brian Davis Line of the night courtesy of @ThunderBDSays: “Collison! just like he snuck into the kitchen and took the last couple out of mama’s cookie jar!”

Next up: At Memphis Tuesday.

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JMattHicks 1745 pts moderator

Congrats from a Spurs fan on a solid win fellas, you did everything you needed to to win.

You out rebounded us.

You distributed the ball more.

You made 86% of your free throws.

Shot better than 50% from the field.

Not sure if there's a team in the league that can beat the Thunder under that kind of stat line for y'all.

DXL 46 pts

I still take Ibaka over anyone drafted in 2010, excluding John Wall. I'd take Ibaka over anyone in the 2011 draft. And I'll take Ibaka over anyone slated to be drafted in 2012. Despite his flaws, he's still a very productive big with potential to reach all-star status.

The draft is overrated. You never trade proven young talent for potential talent.

Keith00 100 pts

DXL I believe this all would only even be on the table if Presti figures Ibaka will be overpaid in his next contract. It's not just to get rid of Ibaka, it's to allocate our cap space more effectively long term.

DXL 46 pts

Keith00 But Ibaka's locked into a cheap rookie contract for likely 3 years with the qualifying offer. 3 years is a championship window! If you really can't pay him then move him in February 2014 at the trade deadline. Not now.

f5alcon 998 pts

DXLKeith00 he doesnt have to take the QO, if some other team offers him a lot of money he can sign and if we don't match he can leave, so really next year is the last year.

Keith00 100 pts

DXL What f5alcon said. I'm not at all talking about trading him now, it would be after this season at the earliest. From there he has one guaranteed year, and either the QO (cheap) or matching another offer (could easily be overpaid). That really means only one more year that he is cheap compared to a rookie next year. We would get three more cheap years out of a rookie than Ibaka. More importantly, it would push back our buy or bust scenario since we would only need to worry about three contracts (Russ-Harden-KD) instead of 4. We could be a much more profitable team by then.

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

DXL This draft kicks the ass of both the past two drafts. I think if you combined all the talent in the last two drafts combined, it wouldn't touch the talent in 2012. Also, I'd trade Ibaka for Monroe, Favors or Derrick Williams pretty quick

DXL 46 pts

SammyThunderer Monroe's been fine, but not as good as Ibaka, and he has a limited upside (not a great athlete). Favors and Williams have proven little.

Ibaka is a proven player with terrific series-changing performances in the playoffs. Ibaka has flaws, but so do all of those guys.

DXL 46 pts

SammyThunderer Also, very few players leave in restricted free agency. Almost all of them take an extension or the qualifying offer. What I said is likely true--Ibaka will be locked up relatively cheaply for the next 3 years. That's a championship window.

Keith00 100 pts

DXLSammyThunderer Monroe is playing at 15.5-8.5-2.5 points-rebounds-assists level on 57% shooting in 31 minutes. Outside of blocks, Monroe is better than Ibaka at everything, per minute even not just overall. And from watching Pistons game (I am from Michigan), I can tell you he looks good too). In fact, it continues to boggle my mind that the Pistons are so focused on their perimeter chuckers rather than their efficient/fundamentally sound big man.

JimboSlice 489 pts

Of course much could change especially if a center from Orlando ends up going elsewhere, but here is a pretty solid list of 10 teams that barring dramatic changes and win streaks, will definitely hit the lotto:

Toronto

New Jersey

New Orleans

Houston

Golden State

Sacramento

Washington

Charlotte

Milwaukee

Detroit

Of those, none have a solidified 4 spot (except maybe Sac with Hickson, who they still could upgrade on). The fringe teams, Utah, Memphis, Minny, Phoenix, and Cleveland are pretty solid at the 4 sans Phoenix and Cleveland.

Not sure how that bodes for us in terms of whether those teams would REALLY want Ibaka, or really NOT want Ibaka because they want to draft a rookie big.

Grolgar 225 pts

Royce sure is taking his sweet time with the Bolt's today... Does somebody have a case of the Mondays?

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

I just had a terrifying notion of Miami going on a '96 Bulls like run and the OKC franchise having the misfortune to make it to the Finals only to have to face an all-time juggernaut yet again.

Keith00 100 pts

SammyThunderer I think we could take them. Not every time, but I think it would be more like the 80s Celtics and Lakers. Both teams equally great, and ended up going back and forth with the championship.

f5alcon 998 pts

SammyThunderer wade's knees might not last more than 3 or 4 more years, we are so much younger even if it is like that they will age before our championship window is over.

El Prez 241 pts

SammyT---You seem pretty involved. Let me ask you a hypothetical question or two--let's assume Presti already knows he can't keep both Russ and James. Who would you keep if backed into a corner with that choice?

Secondly---if it were Russ you opted to have turn loose because of luxury tax matching dollars reality...give me two specific trades you would make for Russ to maximize getting something in return for Russ before he becomes a RFA?

Third question---would DJ Augustin be any kind of a fit with this current Thunder roster excluding Russ?

Fourth and final question...for now---Could James Harden transform his game even more and at some point be our primary point guard?

f5alcon 998 pts

El Prez we can keep russ and harden.

Keith00 100 pts

f5alconEl Prez Sure, but that wasn't the question. And in that case, I would probably choose Harden. Russ has more raw talent, but Harden is easier to move forward with. Russ require a very specific setup, system, and teammates to succeed. Harden will be an elite SG no matter who we put around him. For the purposes of long-term success, it is easier (more likely) to fill in a roster around KD-Harden than KD-Westbrook. That is, KD-Westbrook doesn't work without Harden already, while KD-Harden works fine without Westbrook.

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

el Prez If James can keep up production close to what he's doing now and Russ doesn't recover enough to close the gap, I take harden in a heartbeat. If forced to trade Russ, Lowry or Rondo are probably the most realistic options. I'm not a big fan of augustin, but if we were to trade Russ for a big (say, Ibaka + Russ for d12, ha) then, I'd target Sessions. Harden belongs on the wing. Just cause you run a bunch of plays through him doesn't make him a pg. There's a long history of great playmaking 2s who play alongside pgs with diminished roles. Many championship teams historically have been set up this way.

Keith00 100 pts

SammyThundererel Sammy, how high of a draft pick would you demand for Ibaka if you couldn't work out an "if this guy falls" scenario. Basically, how late in the draft do you think we could realistically replace Ibaka without needing to get too lucky with whom other teams take ahead of us?

f5alcon 998 pts

SammyThundererel bulls and lakers were like that

Keith00 100 pts

f5alconSammyThundererel Spurs too in that Parker wasn't very good until their later championships and even then he has had Ginobli to share facilitator duties.

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

Keith00 el I think a lot depends on how teams are slotted and best guesses at how the draft will play out based on needs. Given the amount of talent in this draft, and specifically talent at the 4, I'm thinking a pick as low as 11 or 12 might cut muster. Phoenix, NO, NJ are teams that immediately come to mind that would Ibaka fills a need for, though NJ will probably be slotted too high.

Keith00 100 pts

SammyThundererel I think I might need to go higher, like 8. While I think Henson might ultimately be a similar player, and Miller at least seems like a really smart player, I would want something bigger. That is, I think we would need to be sure we would get either Robinson or Sullinger. Robinson is defender and rebounder who could step in early simply by playing hard. Sullinger is the low-post scorer we covet, but whose defense and conditioning will need to be monitored before he takes over the starting role.

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

Keith00 you wouldn't be willing to trade for perry jones or Terrence Williams (who's more of a tweener

JimboSlice 489 pts

SammyThundererKeith00 Terrence Jones?

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

(That's supposed to be a question)

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

JimboSlice Keith00 haha, yeah, of course

Keith00 100 pts

SammyThunderer Perry Jones is currently ranked as the number 2 prospect on the board, so I'm not really thinking he's a possibility. Terrence Jones no because I think he is Jeff Green - a guy who will need to play SF in order to not get beaten up on defense, but whose game just won't be very effective against NBA SFs.

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

Keith00 Every board I've seen seems to differ pretty drastically from the others. Including Davis and Henson, that's 5 pfs slated for the lottery, and there's only one I'd say no to (Henson).

Keith00 100 pts

SammyThunderer I was using Ford's top 10. And for Ibaka, I would say it's not nearly worth the risk unless it is one of the top 4 PFs (Davis, P. Jones, Sullinger, Robinson). Outside of that Henson could be good or could skinny and foul-prone. T. Jones I don't think is a PF. Miller I think needs another year in school, same with McAdoo.

JimboSlice 489 pts

SammyThundererKeith00 I agree about Henson. He's your typical "so much potential" type player that either doesn't pan out or takes quite awhile and some serious investment. The Jeff Green comparison for Terrence Jones isn't all that bad, but I think he's much better defensively. His lateral quickness is better, and his timing challenging shots I think is pretty underrated because of how it's overshadowed by his offensive potential. Might not be worth a gamble unless he falls, but I'd certainly take him if we moved up intending to get somebody else and he was there instead.

El Prez 241 pts

Sammy--we agree on taking Harden over Russ. Rondo and Lowery.Both are guys I've thought of as possibilities along with Tony Parker and Augustin. Let's go to the last part of your answer in regards to a playmaking 2 guard like Harden morphing to the point though. Why is James Harden any different than say a Tyreke Evans or a Russell Westbrook? James is the best passer on the roster. Can penetrate and get to the rim. Can create his own shot. And can knock down the perimeter shot better than both Westbrook or Evans. We can't we create a new position called the hybrid point guard? Dwight Howard will be a Laker before or on March 15th-- would be my guess. This is nice posting over here since you don't have sift through Tramel's boomer nonsense.

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

el Prez I think it comes down to who you want on the floor with harden and Durant. Personally, I'd want someone who can stick to quick penetrating points on d, can run an offense, and can knock down catch and shoot opportunities. Those are qualities that are a lot easier to find in a cheap pg than in a cheap sg. There's no reason to try to reinvent the wheel here. Jordan and Kobe and Ginobli and Wade did just fine being playmakers at the 2 spot.

shiki 485 pts

El Prez If Russ cannot recover,we have good chance to keep him and Harden.His performance proves he is not a high compatibility player.He cannot win champion by himself but it is not easy to find another couple like KD and Harden to play with him.

shiki 485 pts

SammyThunderer I only watched their 2 games,their offense cannot run well without Lebron.But Lebron didn't know how to play final.If he cannot find the way to solve it,they are not Bulls

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

I wonder if Cleveland would be willing to trade Anderson Varejao straight up for Ibaka. I'd do that deal in a heartbeat (I know it's not allowed under the CBA; speaking in hypothetical terms)

f5alcon 998 pts

SammyThunderer we probably would have had him last year instead of perk if he hadnt gotten hurt.

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

f5alcon Probably woulda cost us Harden too. What a gut punch that woulda been.

f5alcon 998 pts

SammyThunderer yeah, if we sent harden and kept green, that would have been bad.

Keith00 100 pts

f5alconSammyThunderer I can't see Presti having traded Harden for Varejao. Presti was shopping Green and Green alone, because was the only one that needed to be moved.

Grolgar 225 pts

If we move Ibaka then I think we'll be taking a draft pick or young player on a cheap contract so we hace the financial flexibility to keep KD, Russ, and Harden...

JimboSlice 489 pts

Grolgar agreed. An upgrade in a straight trade for Ibaka would be nice, but the real home run would be an upgrade on a rookie contract

Keith00 100 pts

JimboSliceGrolgar To be fair, even if the draft pick we could secure has more apparent skills than Ibaka, they are unlikely to contribute much in the first year or two - and as well the draft is always a gamble. We aren't going to get someone in the draft that will be an immediate upgrade.

I am only a proponent of this plan if Presti knows that Ibaka is going to cost too much to keep, since I don't want to dump him for a guess (the draft) just because we want something better.

JimboSlice 489 pts

Keith00Grolgar I'd say for most it will take a couple years, but if we get Robinson, he's likely an immediate contributor. No concerns of putting on weight, gaining strength, etc. He's already an elite athlete comparatively to NBA players, and his game revolves around defense, hustle, and crashing the boards. He may not be an immediate upgrade, but his first year I would think it would be pretty safe to say that he will be close to Ibaka's current equal.

Keith00 100 pts

JimboSliceGrolgar I would say even Robinson (who I agree could contribute earlier with defense) would be a downgrade. For one, there is ALWAYS a transition to guarding NBA players and big men often are foul magnets as rookies. I don't see Robinson bucking that trend. Further, he will need to adjust to a completely different system than he's played in before. Defense at the NBA level is only a half step difference between contesting and giving up and open layup. I think he would catch on quick, but would need a solid year before he matches Ibaka.

JimboSlice 489 pts

Keith00Grolgar You're probably right, however I wouldnt be against taking a step backwards in that department if like you and Grolgar pointed out, it gave us the flexibility to retain our RW-KD-JH core; especially since we'd be getting a good player to go alongside them for the long run.

Not to mention, maybe if we drafted Robinson this year in the first round, Withey in the second, and found another KU grad to sit on the bench, we could convince Bill Self to come replace Scott Brooks lol

Keith00 100 pts

Yeah, I don't hate Robinson, I just don't want to give the impression that we can trade Ibaka for a draft pick and get a better player. If it was a better player, the other team wouldn't want Ibaka in the first place.

And HA on Self. I don't believe in college coaches moving to the NBA (most top coaches are primarily top recruiters that out-talent the competitions). Honestly, I would expect most college coaches to look a lot like Brooks - focus entirely on effort without a lot of system. In college, you can get away with just talent easily, not so much now.

JimboSlice 489 pts

Keith00 While that's true with a lot of college coaches, Self is one of a small group of innovators as far as offensive systems go at the college level. I don't know if he would transfer very well from the college to the pro ranks, but if he were mic'd up in the huddle I think we'd definitely hear much more intelligent things than Brooks has to say lol

TempBoy Brandon 216 pts

I was just looking at the standings and noticed a couple of interesting things.

1. 4 of the top 6 teams in the West are in our division. I know it won't hold up, but it could be an early indicator that we are playing in the toughest division in basketball.

2. The Clippers have only played 6 games so far. Every other team has played between 8-10. Odd. (I know it might have something to do with sharing the Staples Center, but it's still strange.)

3. Back to my point about our division being so tough: Minnesota is the only team with a losing record in the NBA that has a positive point differential. They are actually +3 on the season so far. Had they not started off with such a brutal schedule, they'd also have a winning record more than likely.