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You should do a run-down of the top Thunder Killers. Thunder Killers, meaning players who always seem to play above their heads against the Thunder. — Dustin T.

Well, no Thunder Killer list can be correct without having Dirk sitting firmly at the top. That dude is basically Charles Manson to Thunder. He’s a straight Thunder serial killer. (To kind of define this, what I consider a Thunder Killer is someone that seems to always hit big shots or play really well against OKC. And that doesn’t always mean LeBron, Kobe or Chris Paul. It’s pretty much anyone that seems to save their best games for the Thunder.)

But this would be my All-Thunder Killer Team:

PG: J.J. Barea — The flopping and the acting is bad enough, but the little guy just kills OKC. I thought it was just a Mavericks thing, but he did it again for the Wolves in the second game of the season. Every time he gets into the paint, I fully expect Serge Ibaka to swat his layup so hard the ball explodes on impact, but somehow, it always finds its way in.

SG: Jason Terry — It’s hard not to picture the Thunder having a seemingly comfortable five-point lead with a minute left against Dallas, only for the Jet to hit back-to-back 3s after missing his previous 21 shots. It’s almost a guarantee.

SF: Tony Allen — He had games of 19, 27 and 20 against OKC last season. Really! Tony Allen! He actually did that!

PF: Dirk — Freaking Dirk.

C: LaMarcus Aldridge — I’m fudging a bit and putting Aldridge at center. But that guy consistently seems to murder the Thunder.

Bench
Matt Bonner — He once hit 7-7 from 3 against OKC.

Zach Randolph — I think he had 46 offensive rebounds in a quarter one time against the Thunder.

Monta Ellis — I can’t seem to shake the lead the Thunder blew with 30 seconds left against the Warriors at home last year. And Ellis was the guy that was in charge of that. He can kill a lot of teams because he scores so effortlessly, but it seems he always has a solid night in store for OKC.

Shane Battier — I can’t really recall him ever scoring against the Thunder, but his defense on Kevin Durant was some of the most frustrating stuff to watch. The way he crowded and held KD without really ever fouling made me want to throw a kettlebell at Battier’s face.

Nene — Have you ever wanted to grab Nene by that bun on the back of his head and drag him around Bricktown behind one of those Clydesdale carriages? I’m not saying I have, but…

I saw somewhere that under the new CBA that players can actually restructure their current contracts to take less money. If that’s the case, what do you think the chances are of Durant taking less than max in order to keep the core intact, if that’s what it takes? LeBron and Wade were willing to take less to play together (granted, that was before the contracts were signed, not a restructuring). I don’t see why KD, the leader of our family-oriented team, wouldn’t take less as well to give him a better chance at rings. What are your thoughts? — Spenser S.

In the old CBA you couldn’t really “re-structure” like you can in the NFL where you can just re-do your contract for less. You could only go up. CBA expert Larry Coon explained:

A contract for four or more seasons can be renegotiated after the third anniversary of its signing, extension, or renegotiation that increased any season’s salary by more than 8%. Contracts for fewer than four seasons cannot be renegotiated. A contract cannot be renegotiated between March 1 and June 30 of any year. Only teams under the cap can renegotiate a contract, and the salary in the then-current season can be increased only to the extent that the team has room under the cap. Raises in subsequent years are limited to 10.5% of the salary in the first renegotiated season. The renegotiation may not contain a signing bonus. Contracts cannot be renegotiated downward (players can’t take a “pay cut” in order to create salary cap room for the team) or to contain fewer seasons.

However, listed among the “b-list” items of the new CBA is this:

Player contracts can be renegotiated downward in extensions, as long as the player’s salary does not decrease by more than 40 percent. Previously, renegotiations could only increase a player’s salary. This could provide another key avenue for teams to maintain roster flexibility and add players with space created by restructuring existing contracts, similar to the NFL.

After speaking with a few people in the know, this is a pretty unlikely thing to happen because as this person put it, “That’s what the union is for.” The union would likely try and talk a player out of doing something like that just for the sake of the team.

There was some chatter that Durant might be able to decline or divert some of the Rose Rule bump, but there’s no reason for him to do any of that in the near future. Might as well collect on that while it doesn’t matter. Harden and Ibaka’s deals will get sorted out all the same. And if it works out so that one can’t stay, that’s the breaks. It’s not every often you see a team keep the same entire core it drafted.

Part of me can certainly see KD doing something just like that if it truly was the difference of a couple million and keeping Harden and/or Ibaka. We’ll see though. That bridge doesn’t have to be crossed for a little while.

Let’s call it like it is. Perkins isn’t good enough to stay OKC’s starting center. — Francis M.

Perk isn’t doing anything. Should Cole Aldrich get some consideration in front of him? — Dan W.

It’s a little funny how things have gone with Perk. Everyone was stoked about him after the trade last year and then griped about him during the playoffs. Then he gets into great shape and everyone is fired up but then he does his usual Perk thing and doesn’t put up numbers and everyone thinks he’s not doing anything.

Perk is almost as valuable a player to this team as any other guy. It’s no coincidence that OKC is 34-11 with Kendrick Perkins in the starting lineup. I get tired of a lot of Scott Brooks’ cliched answers like “he’s just a winner that wins” and such, but him always saying he never looks at the box score for Perk is the best way to say it. If you’re really judging Perk based on a final line of four points, six rebounds and a block in 31 minutes, then that means you either didn’t watch the game, or you value statistics too much and winning not enough.

I wish that Perk would do better on the glass than grab five rebounds a game, but that’s not really his job. When you watch him, you see how valuable he is defensively without really doing anything obvious. It’s kind of incredible.

Would Cole Aldrich do a better job rebounding or maybe score a bit more? Possibly. Actually, probably. But keep in mind, Aldrich got to do his work Monday against the Pistons third unit while Perk held Greg Monroe to 3-14 from the floor. Would you trust Aldrich to defend guys one-on-one like Marc Gasol, Nene and Andrew Bynum over Perk? I don’t think I would. If you’re hoping for a post scorer or a guy that puts up double-doubles, Perk’s not the guy. But it’s no coincidence that the Thunder are a better team with Perk playing 30 minutes a night. I mean, we’re talking about the West’s best team here.

Just wanted to point out a “What If?”. Can you imagine if we never traded Uncle Jeff last season, and this season we were left without Jeff and Eric Maynor – plus the possibility of Nenad Krstic still starting at center? The Thunder would be without two key pieces to the puzzle and a mediocre center. I doubt that the team would be off to the start their on, neither would the expectations for this season be so high. What do you think? — Zack Gallagher

That What If makes me extremely sad and incredibly depressed. Nenad Krstic starting every night at center –hoo boy. Serge Ibaka would be getting his time in the starting five like he should, so basically it would just be this team currently but instead of Perk, Nenad Krstic.

Which evidently some fans might be happy with.

Steve Nash — can anyone see him fitting in at the Thunder? Again excuse any ignorance, but could you see him coming in and playing off the bench, teaching Westbrook a thing or two about being a point guard and he can get a ring and then retire after a year or two maybe. — James M.

Have you been talking to my buddy Tom Haberstroh? Because he’s a big believer in Nash coming to OKC. The reason that won’t happen is because A) The Thunder just signed Westbrook to a five-year extension and want this to entirely be his position and B) The Thunder aren’t trading any quality pieces to get Nash when they don’t really need him.

Plus, you could probably add that I really doubt Nash would be fine coming off the bench and playing 15 minutes a night behind Westbrook. I don’t think he’s at that point of his career yet.

Do you share the opinion that Thunder can absolutely make a case to field 3 All Stars in Orlando, the obvious choices being KD, Russ and the Beard? (I know West is packed with good players but it really hurts me to read NY is making a case for 3 All-Stars and we just wiped them off the Peake’s floor. Granted, Melo was out, but he wouldn’t have made much a difference, Thunder is simply unbeatable on nights like this. — Marin R.

Yes, I do. I almost think it’s becoming a sure thing. It’s likely the Thunder will have the best record in the West by the All-Star break and typically, you see those top teams get their most influential players into the game. Durant will be a starter — that’s a given. Westbrook will almost assuredly make it because other than Chris Paul, there’s not a better Western point guard.

It won’t be Ibaka, but Harden should have a good shot. He’s fourth among Western shooting guards in scoring, first in field goal percentage,  in the top 10 in assists and steals and third in PER behind Manu Ginobili and Kobe.

Kobe will be the starter, but after that your options are Monta Ellis, Kevin Martin and Jason Terry. I have to think Harden will get serious consideration as the season goes on. Besides, the coaches are the ones that select the All-Star benches and every coach I ever hear talk about Harden just raves about him.

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jallenmorris 73 pts

If you've checked out the box scores lately for CHA, Mullens is coming back to reality.

Tronchaser 404 pts

jallenmorris Mullens is the one Thunder player that I have *never* liked. I think the dude is over-rated, personally. /shrug

shiki 485 pts

Perk's FT% is great now,so maybe he will develop some mid range jump shots.Losing weight can help him to improve his shooting

TaoMaas 212 pts

shiki Perk is looking a LOT better on his free throws than last year. He's almost become more automatic than KD or Russ. As was kinda said, if folks don't see that Perk is much better this year, they must not be really watching the games. Every game, he does something that causes my wife and I to say, "He was NOT doing that last year!" I couldn't care less what his stats say....he's raised his game. The proof is in the Thunder's record. With very few "what if's", this team might have won every game this season.

okcjim 50 pts

I think everyone made a concerted effort to rebound better against Detroit. The bigs especially showed a lot more effort on the boards. I think we showed last year we can rebound so I'm honestly not all that worried about that part of our game.

f5alcon 998 pts

okcjim ibaka looks to be back to last years form. more double digit rebounding games are what we need for him.

scary_larry 24 pts

Best part of the day so far was reading Cuban crying about losing Dirk to the Olympic trial and his team sucking eggs. He should remember the Olympics are a honor and a voluntary commitment. I guess he does not remember all the US "Elite" players backing out 8 years ago. Well time makes us forget.

Old Man Game 1067 pts

scary_larry I just hope the season stretching into the Summer further than usual doesn't hurt team usa. Winning the gold matters to me. This is our game.

HookemKD 138 pts

Old Man Gamescary_larry Actually football is our game since no other country fields a team. And we invented baseball. Actually we invented basketball too. And football. Come to think of it, the US dominates most every sport besides soccer...

ThunderWins 510 pts

HookemKDOld Man Gamescary_larry and we will let them have soccer.

Old Man Game 1067 pts

HookemKD scary_larry I'm not saying it is our only game, just that Dr. Naismith invented it and I consider it a point of national pride for our team to dominate in international competition. Incidentally on baseball that ship has sort of sailed, see cuba, the dominican republic, japan, etc. But that is neither here nor there.

f5alcon 998 pts

HookemKD we would dominate that if our best athletes played it, lebron would be a great soccer player.

Jooseppi 970 pts

HookemKDOld Man Gamescary_larry A Canadian invented basketball, and although the origins of baseball are more murky, evidence points to it being played in England first, and in any case, it's an offshoot of rounders essentially. Football, hey, everybody comes up with their own form of rugby.

Old Man Game 1067 pts

Jooseppi Naismith was naturalized and invented while in the U.S., basketball is a U.S. creation as far as I am concerned.

Jooseppi 970 pts

f5alconHookemKD This comment gets made a lot, but essentially ignores the real issues. In soccer, the US has never lacked the ability to compete athletically. If anything, it's been a higher standard of athleticism that has kept the US teams afloat during times without good technical players. The fact is, Lebron, at 6'8", would struggle to compete as a field player due to his center of gravity.

Jooseppi 970 pts

Old Man Game Editing this:

Regardless, he was a Canadian, too.

f5alcon 998 pts

Jooseppi I mean it doesnt have to be lebron it could be chris johnson, our best athletes are not raised on soccer and are spread around all the other sports, if they all spent the time training throughout their youth on one sport they would be world class. The US has the right mix of high population and a standard of living that allows people to focus on sports and not surviving from day to day.

Old Man Game 1067 pts

f5alcon The sport I think of is rugby, we could dominate international competion in that. I watched the world cup championship of rugby a couple months back and there is absolutely no question in my mind that the athletes New Zealand put on the field would get absolutely worked by a team of our best athletes.

f5alcon 998 pts

Old Man Game yeah, our B and C class athletes probably could do really well. I still want to see what would happen if shaq played tight end in goaline situations, just toss it up and let him grab it.

HookemKD 138 pts

Jooseppi f5alcon I'm sorry but that comment has zero credibility. If our soccer players were the best athletes then they wouldn't be playing national soccer earning 200k a year when they could be in the NFL making 7 mil. You're right, our soccer players are great athletes, but that doesn't mean putting Russell Westbrook and Lesean McCoy (talk about great soccer player...) on a soccer pitch wouldn't make a difference. As for LeBron, I would say he may be the most gifted sports-athlete in the world. Don't pretend like he couldn't play soccer, imagine King James recieving a corner kick. The goalie would be peeing his pants.

Stringer Bell 301 pts

HookemKDOld Man Gamescary_larry

This statement is a little ridiculous. The US dominates most every sport besides Soccer?

I don't believe the US dominates the following sports: Cricket, Rugby Union, Rugby League, Hand Ball, Water Polo, Tennis, Volley Ball, Surfing, Sailing, Cycling, Golf and field hockey.

That kind of opinion comes across as poorly informed on your part. I understand the US dominates the main sports they consume (Basketball, Hockey, NFL and Baseball), but they aren't the only sports around the world.

JimboSlice 489 pts

f5alconHookemKD football, yeah, soccer, other than goalkeeper, not seein it. He's too much freight train and not enough gazelle. The Brazilians would carve him up like a thanksgiving turkey

f5alcon 998 pts

Stringer Bell How many of those are widely played in the US? Soccer is widely played here and we don't dominate. Cycling the US has the 3rd most tour de france wins, which i know isnt the only event, but it is the big one.

Golf, the us has more ryder cups than europe.

Surfing The US has more ASP world tour winners

JimboSlice 489 pts

Stringer BellHookemKDOld Man Gamescary_larry agreed. And with some of those sports, although athletically we are one of the more gifted countries, the infrastructure of sport in America will keep us from ever being good at them no matter what athletes we put on the field.

Soccer is the easiest one to point to. In other countries, players are recruited and playing on a feeder system team for a professional organization in elementary school, and playing professionally at 16 and 17. At 16 and 17, our kids are just figuring out which college they're going to play for, any of which would get absolutely obliterated against international competition of the same age group.

We also highly value athletic prowess over technique as a culture, so sports like Rugby, Lacrosse, and others that can easily be misconstrued as "brute force" or "pure athleticism" by the untrained eye get treated as such in our society and by the coaches teaching the kids these sports. If you listen to interviews with NFL players that have tried their hand at rugby, they haven't fared well at all because the American approach to sport in general just does not match up well with the non-American dominated sports, no matter what athlete we put out there.

f5alcon 998 pts

Stringer BellHookemKDOld Man Gamescary_larry We are forgetting one sport, that being hockey, and that being dominated by canada.

Stringer Bell 301 pts

JimboSliceHookemKDOld Man Gamescary_larry

I couldn't have said it better.

Stringer Bell 301 pts

f5alcon The US actually has more registered rugby players than Australia who are the second ranked nation in the world.Because the American population is so large people often don't realise they have their fingers on the pulse of a lot of sports that aren't covered by mainstream media. I concede that most of the sports listed are not high profile or as you put; "widely played" in America. But you'll also find that Basketball, Baseball and Hockey aren't a strong sporting focus for most nations.

To be honest, Soccer is the world game and that's part of what makes the Soccer world cup so great. Just about every nation is involved. Look at most, if not all other sports and you will see that the competitive balance just isn't there unfortunately.

ThunderChick2010 1868 pts

Stringer BellHookemKDOld Man Gamescary_larry and what about curling ??? :)

Jooseppi 970 pts

HookemKDf5alcon I didn't say US soccer has the best athletes, but they have good ones and adequate ones. The US national team has a distinct athletic advantage, both in size and speed, over most teams they play. The deficiencies of the programs are not because the players are not athletic enough. The US has struggled to produce and cultivate enough players that are technically good enough to consistently compete with the best teams in the world, but has had zero issues coming up with athletes to physically overmatch them. It's a coaching and infrastructure and culture issue, not an athletic one.

Nor did I say LeBron couldn't hypothetically play soccer in a different life.There are tradeoffs, and as a 6'8" player, he would have to be exceptional technically (not athletically) to make it to the top level. Tall, great field players are rare. Very very rare. Off the top of my head, Jan Koller and Peter Crouch come to mind. Both international level strikers, both 6'7". Crouch succeeded because he is extraordinarily unorthodox with his feet. He's found an awkward way to position his body with his limbs to keep smaller, more agile players off the ball. Further, he is an excellent finisher with both feet. Koller particularly relied on an aerial game, but it wasn't all power. He had incredible finesse and could read defenders like few others, one of the best in the world at it during his peak.

It's also worth mentioning that LeBron wouldn't be running around at 250 lbs either. That's not a sustainable weight for a field player, where you're running 5 to 6 miles in a professional game if you last the full 90 minutes.

Grolgar 225 pts

@OldThunderChick2010 stringer Bell HookemKD Man Game scary_larry OKC has nice curling club. They play up in Edmond...

HookemKD 138 pts

JooseppiHookemKDf5alcon Right, the US team might have an athletic advantage, but we aren't putting the best athletes out there like every other team is. I guarantee you LeBron has a higher vertical than any soccer player out there, and for weighing 250 he is in tremendous shape. Obviously he would have to have good ball skills, but think if that guy grew up playing soccer and had those skills. Say he slimmed down a bit, so maybe 6'8" 230. Still a force of nature coming at the keeper, he would be a great tackler as well. Forget LeBron, go back to my example of LeSean McCoy. Think if THAT GUY grew up playing soccer. Good lord he would be amazing...

HookemKD 138 pts

Stringer BellOld Man Gamescary_larry The U.S. dominates golf. Look at any leaderboard and almost always 15 or more of the top 20 are from the U.S. (and our population is 1/23rd of the world's). No one in the US plays hand ball, cricket, rugby, water polo, or field hockey. Yes, we suck in tennis. I'm not sure about volleyball, I think we are pretty good at beach volleyball aren't we? Sailing isn't really a sport, cycling we are pretty good in. Point is that the sports that are popular in the United States we completely dominate. U.S. baseball dominance is waning because kids just don't play baseball anymore...

ThunderNZ 5 pts

JimboSliceStringer BellHookemKDOld Man Gamescary_larryTotally agree, waaaay more to rugby than athleticism.

ThunderNZ 5 pts

Old Man Gamef5alconWow. The All Blacks are awesome. The USA Eagles are not. That is all.

Jo_Cro 59 pts

No Grant Hill on the Thunder Killers? The Ageless One has given me as many heart attacks as any of these players.

thehothand 32 pts

Vince Carter should be on this list for sure. Feels like every game we play him he shoots about 80%

f5alcon 998 pts

another bad game for mullens 6 points 5 rebs in 27 mins.

RodneyRosavelRusanWilson 613 pts

f5alcon yea... starting to feel like they should let boyombo start @ c

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

f5alcon And Chandler went off for 20-17-2 on 9/10 shooting

f5alcon 998 pts

SammyThunderer yeah, makes our complaints about perk not seem so bad.

As much as I like mullens poor play to justify the trade, I still wish we gave him a chance, even DJ had some time in the rotation. Might have increased his trade value.

SammyThunderer 1300 pts

f5alcon I'm perfectly happy with how we handled the Mullens tenure with the team.

JimboSlice 489 pts

f5alconSammyThunderer I'll be fine with the way we handled him no matter how he turned out. His role was not only not needed (Kevin Durant already plays it, just way way way WAY better), but it would've hurt us in other areas as well. Yeah it'd be nice to have point production from our bigs, but not at the expense of both touches for perimeter players and defense.

Ozarkhick 239 pts

SammyThundererf5alcon Well, since Melo went 0-7 with 1 point, somebody had to do the scoring...

Jooseppi 970 pts

RodneyRosavelRusanWilson That's the normal max for 4 years, right? Or right there?

RodneyRosavelRusanWilson 613 pts

Jooseppi i think its the 4 year max... comes out to 15.5 mil a year, just below russ' 16 mil a year deal

Jooseppi 970 pts

RodneyRosavelRusanWilson Pay scale is essentially the same though, iirc. Russ's average is higher because the fifth year is more money.

The_Beard_Knows 46 pts

I like how every year we have a player with whom we are very unsatisfied with the number of minutes they are receiving. Cole, congratulations on receiving the 2012 Daily Thunder Not Enough Minutes Award.

OKCBornandBred 346 pts

The_Beard_Knows But this time we're right about the need for him to receive more minutes

JimboSlice 489 pts

OKCBornandBredThe_Beard_Knows we were right before about the need for Harden to receive more minutes last year. And before that, Ibaka (in conjunction with less for Green). Think it bodes pretty well for Cole with our track record.

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