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Those old Thunder crunchtime issues

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There’s a simple principle to any last second shot: It’s always a good shot when it goes in. Well, sort of. It can be a very bad shot — like KD’s game-winner last night against Dallas — but also be a great shot. Because look at what happened:

1) The Thunder got the ball to their best player with 1.4 seconds left

2) Durant got a pretty free, clean look at the basket

3) He made it

Considering the circumstances, I’d say Scott Brooks and his staff drew up a sufficient shot. Again, mainly because it went in. Had it not, the Thunder would be 3-1 and there would be a lot of griping about Brooks’ ability to dial up a good last second look.

Here is the main complaint: OKC was down one and for some reason drew up a play for a 27-foot 3-pointer. But here is the reality: The further out you go, the cleaner your look will get. With only 1.4 seconds left, the Thunder aren’t going to be able to get anything other than a catch and shoot.

But it really shouldn’t have ever come to that. If the Thunder had executed, KD wouldn’t have had to save everyone.

The possession before with the Thunder up two and about 20 seconds left, Durant isolated with Shawn Marion on him, trying to take a shot at the death of the shot clock. He settled for a contested jumper right inside the 3-point line. He clanged it, Serge Ibaka got a rebound but then missed two free throws after being foul. John Hollinger noticed it too:

In the big picture, late-game plays are a bit of a dilemma for the Thunder, because they have a great scorer who has trouble getting open. Isolating him 40 feet from the basket at least guarantees that Durant gets the ball and is the one taking the shot. It’s just rarely a good shot, even for him.

It really is a big question: Do you get the ball into Durant’s hands for that shot, which is what everyone begged for last season, or do you give it to Russell Westbrook with the expectation he’ll create something for either himself or someone else? (Or if you’re me, do you give it to James Harden and let him run screen-and-roll with KD or someone else? Yeah, that’s what I do.)

Brooks and company clearly tried to come up with an answer to these situations by the crunchtime play I broke down Thursday. It’s a simple design that gets Durant the ball in a much more work-able area. Instead of trying to take someone off the dribble or isolating 30 feet from the basket, KD has it 15 feet out with lots of options. The Thunder ran it once against Dallas in the last two minutes and Durant dropped a nice 12-foot jumper.

I asked both Brooks and KD about that play last night before the game and they both said they’ve been running it for a while, but did use it specifically against Memphis because it seemed to be working.

“It’s just a matter of me catching it at the right spot,” Durant said. “I’ve been watching film on how teams play me or how I need to get open. I’m just trying to be stronger to the ball and make a good move.”

Is it going to become the go-to play though? One that KD prefers to get when OKC needs a basket?

“Yeah I do, but teams are going to start play that play better though,” he said.

Brooks: “We want Kevin to catch the ball closer to that area. It’s not always easy because guys like to push and hold and shove you out … We’ve done it in the past, but we’re just getting better.”

You want to run it almost until it doesn’t work, but like KD said, teams adjust. They have advanced scouts. They’re aware of it. In the situation Hollinger is describing, OKC wanted to get a shot up at the end of the 24 to drain all the time possible. The pin-down play that OKC used so well against Memphis might not have done that.

If you recall though, the crunchtime play Hollinger wrote on has worked in the past. Durant hit a big jumper over Shane Battier against Memphis using it and one against Denver. The play is basically putting the ball in the hands of a guy that can make stupid shots.

Which is the same idea Brooks has in drawing up last night’s game-winner. Get the ball to KD and expect great things to happen.

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PlusMinusGod 145 pts

Not meaning to directly criticize you, Crow, it just seems, especially with the lockout, lack of training camp, sloppy play, etc. that 4 games is too small a sample size to measure anything adequately. Nevertheless, you are correct, if I stick with that argument, I also cannot make too much of their 4-0 start. As Daniel said, "Thanks for the hard work." A lot of people appreciate the stats and more importantly, a context to interpret the stats, which is something you also provide.

Crow 67 pts

SergeIblaka it is a fair point if folks think i am making a lot of those small sample stats. honestly i don't give them a lot of weight at this point but I do feel like lookin around to find somethin to taste. maybe i am not wrapping them up with as much caveat andcaution as the past but i currently don't feel like doing that

Daniel Plainview 44 pts

Thanks for all the hard work, Crow

Crow 67 pts

Daniel Plainview thanks, I was just lookin around for somethin' new to say and chew on

Crow 67 pts

Collison's rebounding last season were career lows and this season his defensive rebounding is 40% lower and he has yet to grab a single offensive rebound.

Crow 67 pts

in 3 games Mullens has gotten half as much run as he got all last season.

but they knew from practice he didnt deserve it. right...

they wanted him to be a traditional center., he wanted to shoot.

charlotte is letting him shoot and he is hitting 73% from 16-23 feet so far.

Crow 67 pts

justin_mia except for the end of the second line i just presented facts

i don't like giving up 1st rounders after a few hundred minutes of use

i would have preferred he got 500-1000 minutes more minutes of trial than he got in okc. i dont care a lot about the few last wins on a regular season win total, as long as you are in the playoff ranks

justin_mia 410 pts

We've had this discussion in the past but I don't know how you can give minutes to all the players you feel should get them and still be a competitive, playoff team. 500 minutes is over 5 minutes a game over the course of a season, pretty significant to just throw someone in there for trial purposes.

Crow 67 pts

justin_mia i meant 500-1000 minutes more over his 2 seasons or a third if he had stayed for that chance

Crow 67 pts

justin_mia mohammed perkins ibaka krstic could all have played a few minutes less per game on average especially against lottery teams and at home and green could have played a lot less

Crow 67 pts

Thunder with 3 players with a PER over 15- Durant, Harden and Cook and nobody else over 13. Westbrook 2nd lowest at under 8.5. Mohammed at under 4. Mullens, traded by Presti to Charlotte, at PER21.

HookemKD 41 pts

Crow We should trade Durant for Mullens

Crow 67 pts

ztejas if you want to throw that stuff i am not going to respond further

HookemKD 41 pts

Crow Just go easy on the stats, we're 5-0 all that matters. If Mullens was on the team the best possible scenario is still that we're 5-0

Crow 67 pts

Perkins at his highest FTA, FT%, Steal rates in at least 5 years but at highest foul rate and his lowest offensive and debounding rebounding rates by more than a 30% margin. Shooting very well inside and even from 10-15 feet though that has lead to shooting beyond 15 feet at almost twice his previously high rate. He has not made any beyond 15 feet yet.

NathanHurley 46 pts

i do find it disheartening that people would want to trade westbrook for rondo ~.~ . Russ is an emotional player and is ONLY 23. He has a lot of growing up to do. I rather like the polar opposites that russ and maynor bring to the team. Besides If we traded russ we would only have ONE (yes one) scoring threat in the starting line up * i dont see brooks starting harden, sorry* . We cannot rely on ibakas jumper or perkins to score, and sure as not thabo.

Crow 67 pts

Ainge didnt want to trade Rondo before and probably doesnt now either. Presti didnt want to trade Westbrook before and is very unlikely to do so this season without a major problem / trade request from Russell so I don't think it should be a major bother.

People have different dispositions and styles and preferences about what they like to read and not read. It would be nice if everything that was written was something you wanted to read or I or anybody else wanted to read but that isn't going to be the case. So one either dwells on what you see that that you'd rather not or skip it or complain about it. I'd rather just skip past it and there is a lot I skip past.

Crow 67 pts

If one likes talk of tattoos, twitter, shoes, t-shirts,uniforms, mancrush / fan boy gushing, promotion of the company line or excuses, glorification of often selfish offensive play and minimization of issues & problems, etc. there is plenty of that to read. Or not so much.

4 games of stats are called meaningless but 4-0 is really meaningful and impressive and basically the end of story? To each their own perspective.

justin_mia 410 pts

Four games of stats are not meaningless, but I think some may find issue with the lack of context that such a small sample is presented.

Crow 67 pts

justin_mia of course the stats and wins will get more meaningful but it all we have so far so i am just going with it

PlusMinusGod 145 pts

This website is so depressing. Thunder are undefeated and off to their best start since moving to OKC and all all anyone can talk about is either trading Westbrook or how we're not top 10 in this or that efficiency rating. It's only been 4 games. Can we at least wait a month or so to get back into the groove of things before we start examining our championship caliber or lack thereof.

Crow 67 pts

you can if you want to and others will do what they want to

Crow 67 pts

Rondo off to a great start on most things besides turnovers and team defense.

jb31 6 pts

DO YOU REALIZE that even with these glaring crunchtime issues and a mediocre RW we are STILL undefeated and winning close, competitive games? RW needs to get in synch, Ibaka needs to get in the game and as a whole we need to get on the same beat, to be sure. But if sheer talent is able to get us these wins just IMAGINE what a high-efficiency thunder team could do this year.

Old Man Game 192 pts

jb31 Definitely. I am convinced that this teams best is better than any other team in the league's best. If they put a full game together they can beat anyone.

Crow 67 pts

jb31 Yes they are undefeated. That is the primary goal.

But on basketballreference's Simple Rating System (using point differential and strength of schedule) they rank 8th. That isn't what they are going for any more.

Crow 67 pts

jb31 Thunder with the 7th best offensive efficiency and 16th best defensive efficiency so far. Those ranks are both slightly behind where they finished last season. But I guess their schedule currently rates as tough and tougher than last season.. Are they better? Too early to say.

Crow 67 pts

Another strength measure has the Thunder with the 7th best strength shown so far.

Crow 67 pts

straight point differential puts them 11th

Crow 67 pts

Only Atlanta is top 5 on both offensive and defensive efficiency. Portland just miss. Orlando is top 10 on both. Denver is also that just barely and the Lakers just miss.

Crow 67 pts

somehow the Suns are 27th on offense and 9th on defense

HookemKD 41 pts

Crowjb31 I heard Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan say that if you aren't first on basketballreference's Simple Rating System then you should just forget it and go home.

finish1ine 9 pts

Did Perkins get rid of his twitter account? says his page don't exist.

PlusMinusGod 145 pts

Darn you Lebron. Quit outscoring KD!

beardjr 54 pts

only point guard i would trade RW for is rubio plus fillers

jb31 6 pts

beardjr i wouldn't trade RW but rondo would be a good fit for this team. cray passing an a viable third scoring option behind harden starting at 2 guard. or kyle lowry...

JimboSlice 198 pts

jb31beardjr face palm at both of you. when did rondo all of a sudden become this awesome fit for us? nobody was talking trade rw for rondo until 4 days ago. and rubio really? I'm impressed with him so far over all but you've got to be kidding me

Crow 67 pts

JimboSlicejb31beardjr Rondo get talked about a little last season here and there were rumors Presti asked for Rondo but Ainge said no when the Green / Krstic for Perkins deal went down.

Crow 67 pts

champ with the weakest big man offense since Jordan era was the Pistons. Everybody else had a big man scorer better than pretty old version of Rasheed Wallace who was still better than anything the Thunder have. Lack of a strong offense big man is one of my main reservations about the Thunder's long run prospects.

Ibaka woke up last game but I doubt he is really this answer. Certainly not a run your offense thru him kind of guy.

Will probably have to be KD in effect. Maybe not officially at PF a lot but he is the team's Dirk.

HookemKD 41 pts

Crow 96-98 the Bulls didn't have a dominant big man whatsoever (as mentioned) because they had Jordan (greatest of all time). Pistons in 04, Celtics in 08 (Perk averaged 7 a game, undebatable), Mavs in 11 had no dominant post scorer. Outside of that you have Kobe (top 10 player all time) and Gasol, who in 09 beat the best big man in the game, and in 10 beat a duo of Perk and Wallace, neither of which a dominant scorer. The other titles are Duncan and Shaq (Duncan a top 10 player of all time, Shaq top 20 at least). From the past 15 years you don't NEED a dominant post man (it sure does help a lot), what you need is either:

A: A well executed offense minus post with great defense (04 Pistons, 08 Celtics)

B: A player who does things others can't (96-98 Bulls, 11 Mavericks, 12 Thunder)

C: A dominant post game with good guard play (09-10 Lakers, 06 Heat, 03-05-07 Spurs 00-02 Lakers)

D: An unreal post game so untouchable it isn't fair (99 Spurs)

justin_mia 410 pts

ztejasCrow I think beyond the issue of post scoring is the fact that the Thunder get so very little offensive contribution from the PF / C positions. Even the teams you listed with no post scorers had big men who did other things to contribute offensively. Garnett is one of the best high post bigs of all time, as was Horace Grant. The Mavs obviously had Dirk up front but also put Marion up there at PF for stretches. '04 Pistons had Rasheed who could at least shoot threes and could pass a little bit. Ibaka and Perkins are both poor offensive players right now, and there's not much behind them either. Perhaps playing KD more at PF in reserve lineups can counteract this a bit, but having so little offensive punch from two positions puts incredible stress on the wings to create offense.

justin_mia 410 pts

ztejasCrow I guess it's a stretch to call Horace Grant one of the best high post bigs of all time but he was very good. Even Rodman was an underrated passer and of course dominated the offensive glass.

HookemKD 41 pts

justin_miaCrow I just feel KD brings a dynamic to the offensive side of the ball that... well... no one has ever done before. There has never been a 6'11" small forward who shoots 3s, drives to the paint extremely effectively, is a 90% free throw shooter, is almost automatic inside 20 feet, is very quick with the ball, is becoming a good passer, and, well does stuff like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F01wyNPaqkY

Old Man Game 192 pts

ztejas If I watched that clip everyday for the rest of my left I'd never get tired of seeing it. So smooth.

RodneyRosavelRusanWilson 390 pts

Serghei Ibaka ztejas watch how Durant gives russel five and then walks away looking mad... he thanks him postgame, but it still reminded me of some of the kobe shaq interactions from the laker days

Crow 67 pts

ztejasjustin_mia Durant is very similar to Paul Pierce at 23. http://bkref.com/tiny/7SZSG I threw in Bird just to see.

HookemKD 41 pts

Crowjustin_mia Except at 23 he's better than Paul Pierce has been and ever will be. To make it fair you can compare them in their fourth seasons in the NBA, when KD was 22 and PP was 24

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm...

Pierce edges in assists and steals but Durant scores more with a better FG and FT %. Pierce is a better 3 shooter.

Compare them both at 22?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm...

KD by a mile.