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The more Westbrook, the better

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We all heard it. Read it. Saw it. Some even said it. For the Thunder, pretty much all of the 2011 postseason was focused on Russell Westbrook and what he should and shouldn’t be doing.

For most Thunder fans, we were all saying, “What’s the big deal? That’s just Russell Westbrook.” But it didn’t matter. When people saw box scores showing 30 attempts by Westbrook’s name and the fact he took six more shots than Durant, there wasn’t a person in the world that could calm down the harrumphing going about.

But here’s an interest thing from John Schuhmann’s StatsCube profile on the Thunder on NBA.com: The more Westbrook was involved in the offense, the better the Thunder were. Consider this:

The two All-Stars didn’t spend much time on the floor by themselves. Of their 5,885 total minutes, 89 percent were played together. As a comparison, only 76 percent of James’ and Wade’s total minutes were played together. Bryant and Pau Gasol? 83 percent.

Durant’s usage rate was 35.3 percent in his 432 minutes with Westbrook on the bench, but just 26.5 percent when Westbrook was in the game. But both players scored more efficiently (had a higher true shooting percentage) when they were on the floor together.

When you rank third in usage rate and play almost all of your minutes with the league’s leading scorer, you tend to rack up a lot of assists. Westbrook ranked ninth in the league at 8.2 assists per game, but no player in the league received more assists from a single teammate than Durant did from Westbrook.

Overall, Durant (true shooting percentage of 58.9) was a more efficient scorer than Westbrook (53.8), but the simple facts are that Westbrook’s usage went up and the Thunder offense improved.

That pretty much goes against everything the Westbrook critics have said over the past six months. That chatter was all about how KD needed to be with a true point guard, someone like Chris Paul or Rajon Rondo in order for the Thunder to really go to the next level.

But look at the numbers: Westbrook assisted Durant on more field goals made than any other player in the league (279, next closest is CP3 and David West with 212). The Thunder’s offense finished the season in the top five in both points per game and offensive efficiency, and was a top three unit the last couple weeks.

What made the Thunder turn the page offensively after Jeff Green was traded was three-fold: 1) Green and his horribly inefficient offensive ways were gone, 2) James Harden had a much bigger role and 3) Westbrook had a bit more leash.

The issue was never about Westbrook and Durant working together. It was about the structure and how things changed in a 7-game postseason series against a veteran team and good coach. Don’t you think Rick Carlisle had a gameplan prepared to stop the Thunder? And with seven games to figure it out, he was going to have something. The Mavs did their best to take away Durant and put all the pressure on Westbrook to make plays. Westbrook had to score. It was the only way the Thunder would crack 90.

What hurt Oklahoma City there was the fact that Westbrook often tried to do too much instead of taking a deep breath and that Durant had difficulty getting free of Shawn Marion for Westbrook to pass him the ball. In the series against the Mavs, OKC’s offensive rating dropped all the way to 78.2, which is horrible. But that was more about what the Mavericks did right, than the Thunder did wrong.

Dallas was prepared for that. Oklahoma City, all the way down to its coaching staff, was not. It’s something to learn from. And despite that, the Thunder were a couple blown fourth quarter leads away from having that series 3-2 in their favor and coming back to OKC.

The Thunder aren’t just fine with Westbrook. They’re actually better off with more of him.

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Keith00 42 pts

My only real desire at this point is that Westbrook molding his game after Tony Parker, not Derrick Rose. We simply do not have the defensive scheme or talent that Chicago does, that lets Rose be Rose. We also have a completely different offensive scheme that should be built around Durant. Parker is the kind of PG we need from Westbrook. A scorer, someone that can be the best player on the floor some nights, and a smart contributor every night.

Westbrook needs to learn to play more off the ball with Harden feeding him and Durant. He needs to learn to make more decisive passes and use the drive to pass as well as shoot. Once he does, he will be a monster. Right now he is still in limbo - too talented not to be good, but not smart enough decision maker to be a consistent positive every game. I say, let him be a scorer at PG, but don't put it all on him like we do. Give him a chance to work off others, and force others to do more than stand around waiting for him to do something for them.

FF_pickups 6 pts

Keith00 "Westbrook needs to learn to play more off the ball with Harden feeding him and Durant. He needs to learn to make more decisive passes and use the drive to pass as well as shoot. Once he does, he will be a monster.'

The problem with this idea is that he spends over half of his minutes with Sefolosha at the 2 instead of Harden.

Keith00 42 pts

FF_pickups I don't want to get started on the starting debate. Everyone in the universe should be able to see that Harden needs to start, and Thabo needs to backup Durant.

FF_pickups 6 pts

Well, until someone can show the playoff splits of how Westbrook performed with Sefo vs. how he performed with Harden vs. how he performed with Cook in the playoffs, then I consider the criticism that he was a 'ball hog' in the playoffs last year invalid.

Keith00 42 pts

FF_pickups Usage alone would consider him a ball-hog, but that's not the main issue. The issue is utilization. If Westbrook is just a ball-hog because he wants the ball and doesn't care about passing, that is a serious issue (albeit I don't think that is the case). Of greater issue is that Brooks more often seems to put our players in position to fail instead of succeed. Staring Thabo, ridiculous loyalty to Green, little accountability for repeated mistakes.

Westbrook, more than anyone else, could be a product of being in poor position. He obviously is one of the most talented players in the league, so why is he a net negative overall? Why does the rest of the team stand around so much once he has the ball? Why is the second team so much more effective than the first team?

If we discount a personal desire for stat-mongering (the Iverson Effect), then we have to question utilization. And at that point, we can see just how much more effective he could be. When not asked to create every shot, when given the freedom to break up defenses without the ball, and when given hugely better options to pass to, Westbrook would HAVE to be a stat chaser in order not to be a huge positive.

FF_pickups 6 pts

“Of greater issue is that Brooks more often seems to put our players in position to fail instead of succeed. Staring Thabo, ridiculous loyalty to Green, little accountability for repeated mistakes.”

^This!!

“Westbrook, more than anyone else, could be a product of being in poor position. He obviously is one of the most talented players in the league, so why is he a net negative overall?”

He’s not a net overall negative. Let’s not forget that he’s the 2nd best player on a team that made the WESTERN CONFERENCE FINALS!

“Why is the second team so much more effective than the first team?”

In the playoffs, the 2nd team was Durant-Cook-Harden-Collison-Maynor. Compare Offense onl: Durant is in both lineups, Collison and Ibaka are about a push. So the difference is in Westbrook-Sefolosha-Perkins vs. Maynor-Harden-Cook. Clearly, Maynor-Harden-Cook is a far more effective offensive trio than Westbrook-Sefo-Perkins despite the fact that Westbrook is the best offensive player in either trio.

The reality is that against really good D's, the Thunder are going to struggle to play Sefolosha and Perkins at the same time and that isn't Westbrook's fault.

ColorFaded 5 pts

Keith00FF_pickups If Harden starts, who is going to score for us when we only have bench players in?

FF_pickups 6 pts

@colorfaded I agree with you that I prefer Harden being off the bench during the regular season. However, I don't trust Scott Brooks! In a perfect world, I would have Harden off the bench and in the starting lineup, I would keep Westbrook-Durant-Perk-Ibaka constant but the 2-guard, I would matchup with opponents. For example, when we play Wade, Bryant, Monta Ellis, Kevin Martin, Joe Johnson, DeRozan, Ray Allen et. al. we start Sefolosha, when we play the other teams, we start Daequan Cook. When we played Dallas last year, Brooks made a crucial mistake by refusing to alter the starting lineup.

FF_pickups 6 pts

Yes! Yes! Yes! This article is great! Only want to point out this

"What hurt Oklahoma City there was the fact that Westbrook often tried to do too much instead of taking a deep breath and that Durant had difficulty getting free of Shawn Marion for Westbrook to pass him the ball."

I think that this statement is misleading. It implies that Westbrook was making a mistake when the fact of the matter was that the lineup where he 'tried to do too much' was usually Westbrook-Durant-Sefolosha-Perkins-Ibaka (the starting lineup). This lineup has only two options, Durant and Westbrook. Dallas took Durant away which leaves Westbrook. He's a great player but he isn't good enough yet to carry the offensive load. Brooks failed to recognize that this lineup had to be tweaked. Sefolosha should never be in a playoff game when the other team doesn't have a scoring 2-guard, i.e. Terry. Terry doesn't start so Sefolosha's rotation minutes should've been moved to mirror Terry.

ColorFaded 5 pts

FF_pickups Everything he said ^^^

DustinMcWilliams 31 pts

Westbrook can take over games, that's for sure. So what if he had to put the offense on his shoulders during certain points of the playoffs? Most of the time, it was because Durant wasn't open. I hope KD worked on that aspect of his game during the offseason. Westbrook deserves a high contract, maybe not max. Make it for 3 or 4 years, then if he has earned it, max him out then and make him a permanent member of the Thunder.

FF_pickups 6 pts

DustinMcWilliams I think you give Westbrook a max deal, no question about it.

Hern 9 pts

Russ was treated so horribly during the playoffs last year. Charles Barkley makes a snide comment and everyone believes it. He is a rare athlete, and is only going to get better. He is going to get his max contract.

I am sure that most of us would rather see him as a SG rather than a PG, but one thing we do have is too many guards. Harden is going nowhere. Same with Russ. Maynor and Cook have key roles as well.

What we need is for RW to develop a serious 3 threat. It seems that we are always throwing away posessions with our poor 3 point shooting.

RW is a tremendous athlete, and we are lucky to have him. Doesn't anyone notice fans from other teams coming onto Thunder blogs with all kinds of trade ideas which involve Westbrook. Everyone wants Westbrook.

I sure am glad that all of the smack has gone away.

f5alcon 273 pts

his 3 point shooting was much better last year, it is durant that needs to take less 3s, especially the heat check 3s where he launches one early in the shot clock.

Hern 9 pts

Yeah, getting better, but Cook is there for the 3 point threat. If RW could put up the entire package, he would be one of the best players in the NBA.

Well, he already is one of the best, but it would make him super human. Harden's presence could really help open things up. The beard is a very good player.

One of the major defensive schemes in the playoffs was to try to smother the pass to KD. RW had to go fast and make do sometimes when the play didn't develop. Like I said, good defenses make anyone look bad. Hell, I see our lack of strong defense as a real problem. Everyone knows that we can score like crazy.

Collison was really good last year. I hope Perk is all healed up this year.

FF_pickups 6 pts

Hern Although I agree that it would be nice for Westbrook to get a better 3, what he really needs is to play more minutes with a 2 guard that can shoot 3's. Sefolosha was a bottom 5 shooter in the league last year. Either he has to get better or he won't be able to play minutes in the playoffs.

jackson89 5 pts

Thank you for giving me an argument when ignorant people try to dog on West

Monkeyonx 15 pts

My only real complaint with giving Westbrook a max contract is the way he plays: He is one major injury away from losing it all. He plays hard at the rim which is great for us, but he has yet to expand his game yet. I saw him at the Charity game (which I know is a terrible example, but that's all he played in this summer), and his three point shooting was still off, his jumpshots were off, and all he hit was the dunks. He needs to work with better guards who have developed shooting. Every time he goes up hard, and crashes, I wince and gasp that he aint getting back up for a while. Am I the only one to notice this?

Hern 9 pts

Ahh. Bitching about Russell was the flavor of the month last year. What people don't realize is that defensive schemes were taking away KD in the playoffs, forcing RW to carry more of the load. When the play didn't develop, he had to make do, and his unreal regular season play was great. It is tougher in the playoffs when the gene pool has been really weeded out.

A good defense can make anyone look bad. Not that he was actually bad. Triple double in the playoffs was forgotten in one day.

Russ will get a max contract, and no way are we trading him. I see fans from other teams posting up trade options that all try to nab RW. Not going to happen barring some kind of relationship meltdown with the team. He got ragged on so bad last year that it was just foolish.

Those charity games are nothing but lazy offense and pull up jumpers. They only play defense in the last two minutes. You can't evaluate anything from those. They are just fun for fans and raise money for charites, which is a selfless thing and rare in pro sports.

Daniel Hawaii 208 pts

NBA.com has us at #3 in their power rankings, if anyone cares about that sort of thing.

gnaygg 6 pts

According to sources, Nene, Chandler and Gasol all set their early asking prices in the neighborhood of maximum-contract territory, starting at $14.8 million for Gasol, $17.7 annually for Nene, and $20.7 million for ChandlerRead more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/sam_...

JimboSlice 198 pts

gnaygg To be completely honest, I can't see a single team paying those prices for either Nene or Chandler. Gasol is not only younger (and more promising), but his price is far more reasonable. Chandler was great last season, but let's be serious, he wasn't 20.7 mil great. No wonder he thinks he won't be back with the Mavs. Cuban's crazy, but not stupid

shiki 67 pts

gnaygg $14.8M is too high to these 3 players.$ 10M is fair enough to them.

GeoLogger 29 pts

The biggest part of the time when Russ was in jamb it seemed like no one was moving around to earn a pass, or draw defenders. Just what I happened to focus on I guess. I think we are watching a super-star bud before our eyes - honest injun.

JimboSlice 198 pts

Watching this Vandy-Louisville game. Heckuva game. Siva's been very impressive. If he can develop that 15-18 footer that Chris Paul uses so well and the confidence to pull it off the pick and roll he could be extremely dangerous.

MichaelAlexander 6 pts

Thanks, Royce... for not subscribing to the popular (and mostly erroneous) sentiments and analytics of the greater sports media... GO Thunder...! GO Russ..!

DaveSiegerExpress 7 pts

I really like Westbrooks game and think he had an adjustment period with the trade of Green and Kristic. I do think it helps his game to have a pick and pop center with a really good mid range jumper. Which is what I think the Thunder should look for in FA. What I would like to see is an upgrade in his defense it just blew my mind how much more athletic he was than both Dallas PG's and yet continually got burned. Though for his part I felt that might be a coaching issue.

Olajuwon87 9 pts

I think Ibaka can develop into that pick and pop option for the Thunder if he continues to develop his J. He's just 22 so he's got a while to go and his J at the moment isn't all that bad. I know he's never going to be a 16-20ppg kind of guy but I think we tend to overlook his offensive potential because of his role as a defensive stalwart. Making more use of Ibaka's talents and inserting Harden in the starting line-up alongside Westbrook could give the Thunder more spacing and creativity on offense. DaveSiegerExpress

Daniel Plainview 44 pts

Olajuwon87DaveSiegerExpress Hell never be a 18-22 pt guy on this team for sure. i wouldnt be surprised Durant went down and they fed Serge the ball alot he might produce a 40 night. I would definately like to see him average 13 RPG or more

D@nny 20 pts

TV was so annoying during the playoffs--how couldn't people (Barkley, especially) realize that Westbrook shot so often because that shot was, quite often, the best shot that the oftense could get?

The offense was (is?) simplistic, and Durant couldn't get open. Thabo can't do anything but pass the ball back to Russ. We lack inside scorers. And to top all of that, Russ could always get a shot off. It's amazing that Russ didn't shoot 30+ shots more often.

I think that if he weren't so darned erratic, he would take on less blame--it's just that when he turns the ball over, it just looks really bad to people who haven't viewed much Thunder-basketball ("What's the big deal? That's just Russ...").

Good post.

dancassidy35 58 pts

D@nny Because criticism makes good television

Daniel Plainview 44 pts

dancassidy35D@nny@nny So do shitty quarterbacks who fall into teh endzome at the end of a game after some prayer because his defense kept the game close

Jax Raging Bile Duct 135 pts

D@nny It's all about perception. His FG% for each series last playoffs weren't that bad. It was .396 against Denver and .415 against Memphis and .360 against Dallas. And that's just his FG%, his TS% was pretty good. It's just that people want him to shoot 3-5 and not 18-30 because he's the "point guard". And people have this funny idea that Kevin should be taking something like 60 shots a game and anything short of that is a failure on the offense or his teammates. I'm exaggerating, but not by much.

shiki 67 pts

In playoff,KD and Russ both had 20 shots,but KD played more minutes and had better FG%.

Harden had more minutes and better FG% in playoff than regular season with less USG% and FGA.It is ridiculous that our third best player didn't have enough chance.

I know Brooks should be blamed more than Russ for this situation.But I always hope Russ can do better in sharing ball

f5alcon 273 pts

really both of them should take a few less shots and a few more for harden and ibaka.

Daniel Plainview 44 pts

f5alcon I think that will arrive this year. It takes a little experience to get there, now plus with the addition of Harden in the starting line-u (Yes, I will assume its a given because my brain can not allow for any other scenario) and the fact that last year, they tried to do it their own way and it wasnt enough.

Boy do I want to see a Thunder/Heat Final

ColorFaded 5 pts

Daniel Plainview If Harden starts, who will score off the bench?

Daniel Plainview 44 pts

But while were talking Utah, I think Alec Burks will finish in teh top 3 of Rookie of the year voting

Daniel Plainview 44 pts

If somehow we lose Harden in some unfortunate twist of dealings, my first want in replacing him would be Marcus Thornton, unless of Course Iggy was enroute

Daniel Plainview 44 pts

Utahs looking for a back up PG, would they take Maynor for Favors?

TempBoy Brandon 95 pts

Daniel Plainview How about we send them Nate instead? :)

Daniel Plainview 44 pts

TempBoy Brandon If they would take it. Their definately PF heave right now, and the drafting of Kanter didnt seem to be a vote of confidence for Favors, unless they intend to play him at the 5, however the current out look is favors will only see15 minutes a game. I say go for it

f5alcon 273 pts

id like to see what RJ brings first, if he is as good as maynor, then I would do the maynor for favors swap. Some part of me feels like RJ could even be better than westbrook, he has the same athleticism but is a better passer coming out of college.

Daniel Plainview 44 pts

f5alcon Im not sold he has the same athleticism, since RW is a freak of nature, however, if RJ needs time, Ivey or even Harden can spell RW for 8 min a game. But if they would take Maynor and maybe Mullens or a pick, id do it in a sec. Favors is a rare specimen too

JimboSlice 198 pts

Daniel Plainviewf5alcon I hesitate to let go of Maynor before we see any of RJ, unless our starting lineup changes its habit of getting down out of the gates.

However, I do see RJ having a ceiling very similar to Russ. Like Russ, he's a freak of nature. he may not quite have the almost unhuman speed that Russ has end to end, but just about all his other athletic attributes are similar. I really hope he gets a chance to prove himself and hate that the shortened training camp/ preseason/ season has hurt those chances.

Monkeyonx 15 pts

Im not going to be a hypocrite and say I didnt criticize Westbrook last season, but with the new season here, I hope he has learned from the past and evolved some more. We need him to know when to attack and when to give up the ball. He has tough skin, and that's what we need in a point guard. Look forward to following Westbrook and the rest of the team this season. Thunder up!

GeoLogger 29 pts

I was a little frustrated on a couple of plays. But I was completely lost on the BS Russ got. I got scared when I thought I saw him make up his mind to keep it and telegraph that to the world so no one had to cover anyone else - reminiscent of his rookie year. But what was that - maybe 5 or 10 plays in the entire post season? Rest of the time he was the most improved player in the NBA.

Monkeyonx 15 pts

GeoLogger I agree fully. We fell into Dallas' game plan when they shut down KD, and made Westbrook take all the shots. He worked to hard, and forced it. We also saw flaws in our simple offense, that once KD was stuck, we had no further ball rotation. A line up that we saw in the playoffs may be intriguing to use in the future- PG- Maynor, SG- Westbrook, SF- Harden, PF- KD, C- Collison/Ibaka . I know it's small ball, and it will only work in small doses, but Westbrook played well off the ball, even when Harden was running the point. I hope Coach Brooks explores that further from time to time. It gave more offense during a time when we didnt have any. I dont know, what you think?

walker 6 pts

Westbrook is and will be our point for a long time. Hopefully