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Wednesday Bolts – Doomsday Edition

Via the Washington Post: “To present that in the context of ‘take it or leave it,’ in our view, that is not good faith,” Kessler, who also represented the NFL players in their labor dispute with the NFL, said in a telephone interview Monday night. “Instead of treating the players like partners, they’re treating them like plantation workers.” In a phone call Tuesday, Stern blamed Kessler for the stalled talks and said he deserved to be “called to task” for the remark. “Kessler’s agenda is always to inflame and not to make a deal,” Stern said, “even if it means injecting race and thereby insulting his own clients. . . . He has been the single most divisive force in our negotiations and it doesn’t surprise me he would rant and not talk about specifics. Kessler’s conduct is routinely despicable.”

Ken Berger of CBSSports.com: “Who in Portland is going to ask Paul Allen — one of the richest men in the world and a silent assassin in the labor talks — whether he personally is going to replace the event revenues that are supposed to fund the bond debt that partially funded the Rose Garden? And while Spurs owner Peter Holt wasn’t mentioned on my sources’ list of hard-liners, as the chairman of the owners’ labor relation committee his fingerprints will be all over this death-knell proposal if it gets delivered to the players Wednesday night. Will anyone in the state of Texas, which has three NBA teams that would be idled by a season-long lockout, ask Holt to explain why the 84-percent taxpayer funded AT&T Center will be without its signature tenant and primary source of revenue?”

Howard Beck of the New York Times: “Derek Fisher, the union president, made that overture at a news conference, with 43 players standing behind him. In return, the union wants the league to relax its proposed restrictions on free agency. By offering to take the league’s offer, the union effectively shifted the onus back to Commissioner David Stern and the owners.”

KD played in Rudy Gay’s charity game last night and scored 29.

Zach Lowe of SI.com: “The two sides are still apart on the small but important issue of broadening the salary-matching requirement for trades. Under the old rules, a team over the cap could take back only 125 percent (plus $100,000) of the salary it sent out in a trade, so that the salaries would nearly have to match. The union has proposed bumping that gap all the way to 200 percent for teams below the luxury tax line, while the league has offered to go to 150 percent — with a bright line rule that the total salary difference in any trade cannot exceed $5 million, per a source close to the talks.”

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports: “There can be a few things tweaked along the edges, the periphery and this can be agreed upon,” one ownership source told Yahoo! Sports. “I’m confident that would not be an issue if [Stern] did that. It will be a very slight budge,” one high-ranking management source said.”

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C_Dub 150 pts

Our season....is DOOMED. :(

Oh well, there's 2K12, or Skyrim.

ThunderChick2010 207 pts

C_Dub Are you following Ken Berger's blog on cbssports.com/nba ? Right now, the league and union are ordering in their dinner. . . . for whatever that's worth. At least they're talking.

f5alcon 273 pts

ThunderChick2010C_Dub berger doesnt think a deal is gonna get done today though. They just need to rock/paper/scissors it and whoever wind their proposal is agreed to.

ThunderChick2010 207 pts

f5alconC_Dub . . . . but Berger has been wrong plenty of times lately. I think he's just trying not to get his/our hopes up AGAIN.

f5alcon 273 pts

ThunderChick2010C_Dub yeah thats true

f5alcon 273 pts

C_Dub or assassins creed, forza 4, BF3, batman arkham city, call of duty, so plenty of nonbasketball ways to entertain.

Daniel Hawaii 208 pts

C_Dub I am VERY excited for Skyrim. It looks AWESOME.

C_Dub 150 pts

Daniel Hawaii yeah Skyrim will rock my socks. anyway i guess talks are still ongoing, hope it ends this thing...I need my Thunder fix.

f5alcon 273 pts

C_DubDaniel Hawaii seems like they are getting close, but trying not to get hopes up.

ThunderChick2010 207 pts

Ken Berger is eating a salad and, reportedly, Dan Gilbert is no longer a hardliner. :)

Hermit 13 pts

ThunderChick2010 Bill Simmons had Clay as a hardliner this morning, I have trouble with that.

ou_sas 39 pts

HermitThunderChick2010 I buy Royce's take on it, that the Thunder have more interest in getting basketball back again rather than holding out longer. Besides, with Sam Presti, all of these losses that other owners have been clamoring about have probably not even troubled Clay's nose.

jdstorm 17 pts

ou_sasHermitThunderChick2010 The thunder made a good profit last year, so financially they are in a great position. However it makes sense for clay to be a hard liner. OKC despite its competent management is one of the smaller markets in the NBA and making sure any new CBA treats all teams somewhat evenly is in okc's best interest.

Hermit 13 pts

jdstormou_sasThunderChick2010 But I think Clay will vote with Stern, I can't see him getting crossways with the commish.

I think Bennett's larger concern is to see franchises begin to appreciate in value again. Owners can tolerate some yearly losses as long as they can recoup that money in franchise equity. And since Bennett overpaid for the franchise by a good amount, I got to think that's a big item with him.

jdstorm 17 pts

Hermitou_sasThunderChick2010 Owners voting with stern is what i'm worried about. While stern wants bball back, he doesn't seem to understand specifically why and how the league is flawed he wants to place a band aid on a situation that considerably more.

ou_sas 39 pts

jdstormHermitThunderChick2010 That's possible. But then, there's a lot of people who would rather punt their problems away rather than deal with them. If Stern isn't Commish when this comes back up again, he doesn't have to deal with it.

f5alcon 273 pts

HermitThunderChick2010

Me too, if we miss a year thunder basketball will suffer, it doesnt have the brand that more established teams have, even if we are great after we may not fully recover the fanbase.

Hermit 13 pts

Tweets from KBerg, this is like announcing the starting lineups, now all we need is some Michael Buffer..............

KBergCBS Ken Berger In meeting for players: Hunter, Fisher, Mo Evans, Kevin Murphy, Klempner, and yes, Kessler. Other exec board members could join.

KBergCBS Ken Berger For league: Stern, Silver, Peter Holt, Dan Rube and possibly Rick Buchanan. Small groups.

JimboSlice 198 pts

Twitter's blocked at work for us. Anybody who follows KBerg, Woj, or the dude from SI, could you keep the thread updated on any lockout meeting news? I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to find out something.

diddoff 96 pts

JimboSlice I believe CBS opened this Labor Buzz for guys like you

http://eye-on-basketball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/b...

ou_sas 39 pts

diddoffJimboSlice I was about to link to that article too, lol.

shiki 67 pts

Maybe the next time I can see KD playing ball will be Olympic London.

f5alcon 273 pts

shiki not if there is no deal, USA basketball won't be able to afford the insurance on the contracts for players if they got hurt, if there is no deal we will have to use college players.

JimboSlice 198 pts

f5alconshiki with this crop of college kids coming out next season, that might not be so bad lol

f5alcon 273 pts

the owners should make the changes with the trades the players want, if the players are willing to agree to everything else, that is a small change, really if they keep holding out they are losing more money than they gain, on both sides, if the league really holds out for 47% and loses a year and all the fans leave, it will be less money than if they take the 50% and play.

Steve H 30 pts

Just read that owners and players will meet around noon our time. Sliver of hope that means the owners open to minor adjustments that players are requesting (if their position was still take it or leave it, no reason to meet for that). PLEASE, PLEASE, oh PRETTY PLEASE, CUT A DAMNED DEAL ALREADY!

Loud City Jimmy 10 pts

Royce...curious your opinion about the odds they get a deal done today?

imb42 16 pts

They won't get a deal done today, but there's a nonzero chance that they make significant progress.