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Tuesday Bolts – 11.8.11

Kevin Durant at the PDX charity game on the owner’s position: “It’s sickening,” said Durant, who is coming off of his rookie deal and set to earn $13.6 million in 2011-2012. “It’s sickening. Us players have sacrificed, gave up money, doing what we have to do. Now it’s on the owners. At this point it’s starting to get bad. We’ve done our thing. They’re trying to pressure us, back us into a corner and take a deal that’s not fair to us.”

ESPN.com ranked the five top juniors and it was pretty Thunder-centric: “Henry Abbott, ESPN.com: Serge Ibaka. Being that big, mobile and active is breathtaking, and international play over the summer suggests he has developed a reliable jumper, too. No joke: If he can protect the rim like a madman, and punish you for leaving him on offense, he’ll be one of the West’s most important playoff big men for years to come.”

The Wu Tang Clan as the Thunder. Hint: James Harden is Ghostface Killah.

Henry Abbott of TrueHoop on the owners’ threat: “But if you ignore the rhetoric and look at the dealing, there’s plenty of evidence both sides really want to get this done, and the remaining issues are tiny compared to what has already been accomplished. Also, players are little more than a week from their first missed paychecks. Missed paychecks are the source of any lockout’s leverage. It hardly makes sense from the owners’ side for the league to effectively cancel the season before players have even felt the heat. It’s easy to imagine that with or without an ultimatum, the two sides will be negotiating again within the next few weeks.”

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo!: “As David Stern tries to hold off his most rabid hardline owners, the NBA’s commissioner has expressed a willingness to meet with the Players Association with the possibility of relenting on some system issues that are important to the union in reaching an agreement, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. Nevertheless, union executive director Billy Hunter was still deciding late Monday whether he wanted to take the meeting, two sources involved in the talks told Yahoo! Sports. The reason for Hunter’s hesitation was unclear.”

How business hurts without the NBA: “In Oklahoma City, economists estimate each lost game is a million-dollar hit to the economy. Even with that, Mayor Mick Cornett says he’s not as worried about the loss of money; he’s more concerned about the way the games boost the metro’s image. “The idea of having Kevin Durant out there playing with ‘Oklahoma City‘ on his chest and being in sports magazines and the team being on national television,” Cornett says, “those are very positive elements for the community, and there’s an indirect economic development to all of that.” So far, the NBA’s monthlong cancellation will mean the loss of seven home games in Oklahoma City. Officials book other events in the 18,000-seat arena around the team’s expected season. But on canceled game nights, the center will likely stay empty, further hurting the regional economy.

Sean Gregory of TIME magazine: “Without question, sporting events generate sizable, if often overstated, amounts of game-day spending in cities. According to the Oklahoma City Chamber of Commerce, for example, every Oklahoma City Thunder game pours $1.3 million into the local economy. As The Atlantic recently pointed out, Spurs games generate $95 million for San Antonio, the Portland Trail Blazers made a $2 billion local impact between 1970 and 2004, according to a study, and in 2010 the Greater Memphis Chamber of Commerce estimated that the Grizzlies and their arena, the FedEx Forum, general an annual economic impact of $223 million.”

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JimboSlice 198 pts

No surprises from the NBA labor committee press conference. As I had alluded before, it's not so much about the 50/50 as it is the system issues that will hurt player employment opportunities. They even talked about being willing to do a 50/50 deal, if the luxury tax and mid-level exception type issues were settled fairly. I think, so far, this has been (finally) one of the better chess moves by the NBPA to reject this deal and ask for a meeting tomorrow going into it preaching 50/50 with movement on system issues.

TempBoy Brandon 95 pts

Royce, did you just feel like listing both Ibaka and Harden would make you look like too much of a homer? :)

f5alcon 273 pts

the players need to give up, there is not an outcome that is going to be better than the deal right now, even if they decertify and sue the owners and win they are not going to end up with a deal that is so much better than what is being offered that it makes up for a year or two of not playing, and that is the best case. The worst case is they lose when they sue and they end up with a deal worse than 47%

Keith00 42 pts

f5alcon I think this is a case where the lap of luxury has obscured all other possibilities. The players have had it very good for a long time now. It's becoming obvious that the players feel their millions are an inalienable right. I guarantee most players don't even know how much a 50% BRI affects their paychecks, only that it is less than what they have been getting.

I think the fractured player base is killing this deal. The union has to vote on everything, and ultimately it's very hard to convince these million dollar athletes that A) they are never going to get a better deal and B) they have no leverage in the negotiations (unlike their leverage on their own teams). NBA players have been spoiled by a favorable system and bad GMs longer than most players have even been in the league. They are acting like they would languishing on a bad team, without realizing there is no FA saving grace to negotiate against in the future.

Players need to start considering exactly what their alternative is to basketball. The comparison is not to the last CBA anymore, but to not playing at all.

f5alcon 273 pts

Keith00

yeah, the other thing that I was thinking about is that the nba deal is still better than every other pro sport, averaged over all the players, the NFL players get less of the revenue as a percentage and their is a hard cap and a lot of their players get paid half of the nba minimum wage. Hockey pays less, baseball pays less to the average player but more to the stars.

jdstorm 17 pts

f5alcon

The Players can't afford to give up. As NBA fans we constantly critisise some teams for being cheap, disfunctional, or just plain stupid. Well right now these stupid owners, have essentially hijacked the negotiations.

The same owners who traded away amare, and shawn marrion, joe johnson iggy ect. the guy who paid brandon roy despite his injuries, and fired 2 smart gm's within the space of a year. An owner who hired a gm who he traded with after he realized how badly he got screwed. The owner who paid john salmons 40 million dollars. Now want to create a new system based on the hockey/football model, despite clearly having no idea how to win under the current system.

These NBA owners, rather then fight the inequality that currently exists within ownership, figure they can just screw over the players and that will fix a system that almost everyone, especially smart people believe is flawed. when in reality all the same problems will still exist, they might even get worse

Keith00 42 pts

This is where the difference between fair and reality set in. You could easily argue that owners brought much of their problems upon themselves. You could argue that the system needs more tweaks than wholesale changes. You could even side with the players being on better side of a moral debate.

However, none of that matters. These negotiations are about money, and the owners have all the leverage. Don't get sucked into thinking the owners are bleeding the players dry. Players will still be millionaires in any system, and will still be making more than they ever have in the past. But owners will be rich whether the NBA plays or not. Players will not, and really have no other avenue for creating income. The owners may be in the wrong overall, but it simply won't change anything. The players are never going to win, and their demand to be treated "fairly" is hollow.

Royce Young 72 pts moderator

Officially, KD is the Thunder's player rep. But Nick Collison has filled in as it a lot of the time.

diddoff 96 pts

Who's the Thunder's players rep? KD?

ou_sas 39 pts

diddoffdancassidy35 I think you're right, it is Collison. Though from the way Nazr is on Twitter, I would argue that he should be. He's very well informed and can explain the union's position quite well.

ThunderChick2010 207 pts

I thought it was Collison, too, but I looked at nbpa.org and it shows Durant as our rep and Westbrook as our alternate???

JimboSlice 198 pts

ThunderChick2010 Yeah. Collison though has been present in Durant's place mutliple times throughout the lockout.