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Thursday Bolts – Doomsday II Edition

No deal. But talks resume at 11 a.m. CT today. David Stern said the clock has been stopped in terms of his ultimatum deal, but if negotiations fall apart today, that offer will resurface. As long as they’re talking, there’s always a chance. And not to get crazy with speculation, but last night at 1 a.m. with all the stuff going on at Penn State, it wasn’t exactly the ideal time to make an agreement announcement, if you know what I mean.

Ken Berger of CBSSports.com: “Though union officials disputed the media’s characterization of their economic stance, it was clear after Tuesday’s players’ meeting that the players were open to coming down from their previous offer in which they’d proposed receiving a 51 percent share of basketball-related income (BRI). Union president Derek Fisher had made clear that, in return for that willingness to negotiate further on the economics, it was expected that the league relax its position on several system-related deal points — chiefly dealing with additional penalties for repeat offenders above the luxury tax, a prohibition of sign-and-trade transactions for tax teams, and the size, length and frequency of mid-level signings for tax teams.”

With no deal, it’s a decertification party.

Henry Abbott of TrueHoop: “As he left the news conference early Thursday morning, after 12 hours of bargaining, Stern stopped in the crowded hallway to converse with union economist Kevin Murphy, who says he is trying to arrange his schedule to be here for the next session to start at noon. Stern encouraged Murphy to show up, saying, “It will be a good day to be here.” It was late. Stern was tired. The comment was vague. It didn’t sound like a real promise of a deal. But it certainly didn’t sound like a guy preparing to blow apart the talks with a dramatically lower offer, either.”

If there’s no deal by Nov. 20, KD’s going overseas?

ESPN.com’s 5-on-5 looks at the best “seniors”: “Tom Haberstroh, ESPN.com: Russell Westbrook. Statistically, there’s not much separating him and the reigning MVP (Westbrook actually edged Rose in player efficiency rating last season by 0.01 points). I’m putting Westbrook here until further notice because he seems to bring his bad idea jeans to the court too often.”

Nine businesses hurt most by the lockout.

Larry Coon of ESPN.com: “How much will franchise values increase? It’s hard to say. There are a lot of factors that go into determining the value of a business, and a number of ways to do the calculation. A conservative estimate might be a $3 million to $12 million average increase in franchise values for each percentage point in revenues the league wrests from the players. Decreasing the players’ split of BRI from 57 percent to 50 percent therefore might be worth $21 million to $84 million per team. The owners will only see this money when they sell their teams. But when they do sell, none of it is shared with the players.”

Adrian Wojnarowski of Yahoo! Sports: “After several days of NBA ultimatums and threats, owners and players made significant progress toward a collective bargaining agreement that would end the lockout, league sources told Yahoo! Sports. With the Players Association agreeable to a 50-50 split of revenue, the sides also made progress on three of the five system issues that union officials said needed to be resolved to complete a deal, sources said. The players are determined to keep system issues which allow them freedom to move to luxury-tax teams, among other issues involving the tax and escrow systems.”

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f5alcon 273 pts

on espin daily dim live they are talking about how the thunder should trade westbrook for chris paul, and how there isnt a better fit for the thunder

Keith00 42 pts

f5alcon I don't think it is as preposterous as others might. Paul is the better player and fit as he and Westbrook currently play. But Westbrook has made huge leaps in his play, and is younger and far more durable. I think Paul only makes real sense if he's not the only deal. That is, we don't really have the players to properly benefit from Paul's abilities. Ibaka and Perkins are not guys that can really be set up well. Perk because he still kind of lumbers around, Ibaka because he can't catch.

Even crazier scenario, what if we traded Westbrook for Paul, and Ibaka/Perkins for Dwight? Much better fit.

f5alcon 273 pts

Keith00 well the big thing with paul is contract he is more expensive than westbrook, especially with westbrooks contract going to be in the new cba, so is paul so much better than westbrook that it is worth paying luxury tax for, and shortening our title window?

ibaka/perkins would not be enough to get dwight, would have to add harden and another decent piece.

PNT 53 pts

Dang it...Twitter is crashed for some reason.

JimboSlice 198 pts

In other news, Serge is on ESPN3 right now playing for Real Madrid.

News Flash: He still has brick hands.

TempBoy Brandon 95 pts

Make your official guesses: does a deal get done today?

Ever the optimist, I'm going to say yes.

JimboSlice 198 pts

TempBoy Brandon official guess is no. But I'll be dancing in the streets if yes.

f5alcon 273 pts

TempBoy Brandon Not looking good Ken Berger "Well, that didn't take long. Reports are already starting to trickle in about things not going well at the meeting which started at noon EST. Alan Hahn of Newsday reports that inside of an hour in, he's not hearing positive feedback. Apparently the small-market owners have shown back up to bully and prod again, including reportedly Peter Holt, owner of the Spurs. SI.com reports that things sound "stalled." It's like we all keep waiting for the owners to blink in this game of chicken they're playing with themselves, and they just push the pedal harder."

TempBoy Brandon 95 pts

f5alcon Ugh... well that's depressing. :(

ThunderChick2010 207 pts

f5alconTempBoy Brandon I'm an optimist too. . . so YES! There's an update since Berger's last one that says they're reaching agreement on the "restrictions for tax teams on use of mid-level exceptions and sign-and-trades". I'm not entirely sure what all that means, but it sounds like progress.

C_Dub 150 pts

TempBoy Brandon I gotta say, the owners are well...owning this whole thing by the looks of it. the players have shown they're far too arrogant to settle for 50/50 so I would say, no deal. In fact, lets revisit this in two years and then they'll come down off their high horse. The owners have other business ventures to attend to, the players really don't get what's going on.

f5alcon 273 pts

C_DubTempBoy Brandon the players are willing to go to 50/50 that isnt what they are arguing about now, it is over cap structure and mid level exception.

f5alcon 273 pts

i dont think decertification helps the players, as the owners could bring in replacement players, which could include current players that just want to play, as they don't have a union they can individually agree to whatever terms the owners want, so while the stars might sit, the rookies would play, a lot of younger players would as well, so while the talent level would go down, it still would be better than dleague or college level of play.

sammasaaron 60 pts

f5alcon The league won't do that because without a union they have no antitrust protection and using "replacement" players would open them up to possible treble (triple) damages. This isn't a workers' strike where replacements could come into play. In any case, the point of decertification is to continue the battle in the courts, so even if the league could find a legal way to use other players it wouldn't matter much.

f5alcon 273 pts

sammasaaron

yeah it would be a risk, but they could get the players that want to play to form a new union. Not to mention if the nba wins the antitrust suit, the players would really be screwed, which i could see happening, this isnt football, where the nfl is the only pro league in the world. Plenty of players go to europe or asia.

JimboSlice 198 pts

f5alconsammasaaron you're forgetting the CFL, UFL, and X-League. There are other professional football leagues out there, although not as many as basketball.

f5alcon 273 pts

JimboSlicesammasaaron oh yeah that is true.