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Presti’s place among NBA general managers

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Sam Presti has a sterling reputation league-wide. He’s seen as a genius, someone that’s always thinking two steps ahead of everyone else. It’s not just because he’s built a contender from the ground up in a couple of years, it’s because he’s built a culture and a process for sustained excellence.

He had a plan when he was hired four years ago. And he hasn’t deviated. He’s calculated, cool, smart and savvy.

Which is why it’s no surprise that SB Nation’s Mike Prada slotted Presti second overall among all NBA general managers.

STYLE: Meticulous planner.

THE GOOD: There are so many ways to describe Presti’s strengths, but my favorite one is this: he knows when to take the risk. The Kendrick Perkins trade came at the right time and sent out just enough value where it barely hurts his team, but still provides enough value to make the trade fair. Presti fostered a culture where the risk was minimal, which was his greatest strength.

THE BAD: Hard to find much of anything, but he did trade Rodrigue Beaubois for B.J. Mullens, and his 2010 lottery pick (Cole Aldrich) didn’t get off the bench last year.

BOTTOM LINE: Presti’s pretty much running this league. Sure, he got lucky with drafting Kevin Durant, but he’s made the most of it.

Who’s ahead of Presti? Captain Slick Back, Pat Riley.

Here’s the thing with Presti though: He’s done such a terrific job and has everyone bought so much in to his plan — fans included — that we can’t really even question moves. Like on draft night when he selected Reggie Jackson with the 24th pick and we all said “Huh?” eventually we all talked ourselves in to it. As KD tweeted me that night, “but u know sam, he’s almost never wrong lol.” Not many fanbases unequivocally trust their GM quite like Oklahoma City does with Presti. But it’s something that’s hard earned, and deserved.

Last week on TGR, we reviewed Presti’s tenure with the Thunder and pretty much everything received high marks. The one scuff in his otherwise clean sheet is trading Beaubois for Mullens, but I can forgive it, because sometimes taking a chance on a 7-1 athlete is worth it late in the first round. When you have a developmental plan like the Thunder do, it’s not such a bad idea to try and steal a talent late.

Because that’s what Presti has invested in as much as any other GM. It’s funny that Riley and him are one and two because they couldn’t have built their rosters more differently. Riley used starpower, suave, bravado, market and the fact three guys really wanted to play together to assemble a superstar cast of players. It happened in one swoop. Presti on the other hand was patient and calculated. He made minor deals here, grabbed a second-round pick there, invested heavily in scouting and development and watch his plant grow. (Now Riley had to do some planning too in clearing cap space for his three stars, but you get my drift.)

Something I’ve always actually wondered is if Presti is really that good of a talent evaluator or if the Thunder organization is just that good at developing solid talent. Presti obviously favors work ethic guys (it’s the main reason he took Russell Westbrook fourth overall in 2008) and when he sees some talent there with it, I think he immediately senses the potential to develop a good player in the Thunder’s system. Not to say James Harden or Serge Ibaka or Westbrook were ready-made stars, but maybe it wasn’t so much about finding that breakout talent everyone else missed and more that Presti has a system built to get the best out of good players.

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We went from a worst record to playoff bound with Green starting at PF. Nuff said. hahahaha Nerve of some. "Shakes head"

Jeff Green was a flop because he was awful at power forward. He wouldn't have been traded if he was not a flop.

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justin : The Jeff Green experiment was a flop…
It was a flop only if you consider turning the Thunder from a laughing stock into the darling of the league as “a flop”. Jeff Green, at PF, was NOT going to get the Thunder to the mountaintop, but that doesn’t mean he was a bad player or a bad pick. If Green had never set foot on court and did nothing else besides act as trade fodder to bring Kendrick Perkins to the Thunder, I would consider his pick as a success.

I completely agree with this. How can u possibly say the Green "experiment" was a flop. He started for the youngest team in the league that gave the NBA champs as much as they wanted. Like said above, he was a great asset to getting us to being a respectable team, but just wasn't going to get us to the top. We traded him for a guy who could get us there. I would say that was a great pick. For those who say they knew Noah would be as good as he is, they are either liars or the greatest scouts ever. I followed him fairly close in college and never would have dreamed he would turn out nearly this good. Hindsight is always 20/20, but after both of their junior years I would have taken green 100% of the time.

Thomas : Give the number one ranking to Dwayne Wade maybe but Riley? No. Those other guys wanted to be there.

LOL I totally agree! What Riley did vs what Presti has done is the difference between inherited wealth vs self-created wealth. They are not the same.

justin : The Jeff Green experiment was a flop...

It was a flop only if you consider turning the Thunder from a laughing stock into the darling of the league as "a flop". Jeff Green, at PF, was NOT going to get the Thunder to the mountaintop, but that doesn't mean he was a bad player or a bad pick. If Green had never set foot on court and did nothing else besides act as trade fodder to bring Kendrick Perkins to the Thunder, I would consider his pick as a success.

@ Thomas
And just to be clear by "less" I'm talking money, not talent. Obviously KD, Russ, Harden, Serge that's a lot of on court talent and it's all because of Sam.

Presti is the best by far. The idea of Riley getting the call over him is laughable. Riley did absolutely nothing special. Give the number one ranking to Dwayne Wade maybe but Riley? No. Those other guys wanted to be there. Riley did manage to clear enough cap room to make it possible but by that rationale Chicago and several other team's GMs could be number one. No one has done more with less than Presti and no one makes consistently better decisions.

@ Beast
Presti is much better than Pritchard.Pritchard had a rich owner to build team but they cannot win first round.The only player who have the same talent with KD in Portland is Oden.But we know he only played 82 games in 4 years and his EQ is much less than KD.

I saw Reggie as a great pick. For Maybe replacing Harden when he goes to Starting role. Or a back up plan if Westbrook jumps ship and for Maynor when he goes for greener pastures.

Jeff Green wasnt the biggest problem. Having Jeff Green with Thabo, Nenad, Mullens, Aldrich, a developing Ibaka was. Of course you wouldnt have pulled the trigger on Maynor and Collison. "Roll eyes"

I see now that Darnell wrote 2 1/2 weeks ago Cheeks' contract was "believed to be expiring". That suggests the Thunder didn't / wouldn't clarify, at least at the time of that article.

I don't know which month the assistant coach contracts expire. I would think it would right after the season ends or July but I guess it could be different. Cheeks' contract may have expired. They could be letting him explore his options. I don't think it would be renewed without announcement but it is possible they consider that internal business. I think same situation with Bryant's contract and maybe some of the others.

Back to now, I wonder which Thunder assistant coaches are still on staff (or will be). Haven't heard a word about that or even a question about it raised by the media yet.

Hiring Carlesimo was either a bonehead move or a part of a deliberate tank early / get picks move... and help kill off the Seattle support base.

Yeah Presti had an urgency to change... and that also played into the move but I don't really want to rehash the ancient history much further.

But looking back Presti also either still wanted to give Wilcox a chance to stay a part of the team or he wanted to try to maximize his trade value. It didn't work. He probably should have moved him sooner.

@ Crow

I think there was an urgency to trade Allen and start off on a 'clean slate'. Presti could have gotten more for him if he waited until the offseason IMO. There was a lot of concern over his ankles at the time, though.

I don't think anyone considered Durant a SG coming out of college. That was a bonehead Carlisimo move.

The Jeff Green pick made sense at the time. In 2007 KD was considered a 6'8-9 SG in the T-Mac mould. Jeff Green was the complimentary versatile team first SF. But KD couldn't guard NBA 2's, grew to 6'11. Then in his second year he started playing SF. creating the roster situation that became jeff green's last two years on the thunder.

Gallinari has been a small positive on Adjusted +/- after his rookie season.

Adjusted +/- has liked Thad Young a lot every year he has been in the league.

They had a chance to take Marc Gasol in the 2nd round but I guess their scouting didn't see him (thru the added weight) as a good enough prospect for a 2nd round pick. But Mullins was worth a 1st rounder. Nobody is perfect but that was a missed opportunity.

2007 was a weak draft after the top 3. I probably wouldn't made getting the #5 the focus of the Allen trade or if you still did it and didn't want Noah (or Young) I probably would have turned around and traded the #5 for something, maybe a vet big, or at least traded down for some other benefit.

If Jackson combines much of Westbrook with Cook's outside shooting that will be nice.

Since we're on the topics of "What ifs?" and "What nots" Who would you guys prefer on the team (no worry about trades, no worries about money) I'd want Thaddeus Young or Danilo Gallinari.

Justin was also pleased with the pick.

I had Jackson as one of my 5 better targets before the draft and when asked moments who I'd pick before the pick was made I said PF or Jackson based on who was left:
http://www.dailythunder.com/2011/06/nba-draft-2011...

Perkins will probably be a key decision. Traditional and regularized Adjusted +/- have estimated him mainly as neutral or negative in overall impact for years. The context matters. His start was ok. The long-term still to play out.

justin :We all didn’t say “huh?” at Reggie Jackson, BTW.

Of course you didn't.

We all didn't say "huh?" at Reggie Jackson, BTW.

I thought he did the Eric Maynor trade a little early and could have pulled it off later / maybe gotten more for the cap space. Nick Collison's extension is terrific but maybe that could have been done later too. Those are minor points.

The Jeff Green experiment was a flop, he sat on it awhile and cashed out, which is a plus. I don't begrudge Presti for drafting Green - yes, in hindsight Noah would have been great, but that's just one player in the range he whiffed on. Everyone else is mediocre.

The Perkins extension might be his biggest gamble to date, and will define the next couple seasons of his tenure (at least). Along with how he handles Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden. Depending on how the team performs, there might be thoughts of consolidating Ibaka and Harden into another star player instead of paying two guys.

The two centers he has drafted have been busts so far, though Aldrich still has time.

He's a top five GM easily. But the next step is the hardest one.

But his high ranking is deserved. He has gotten enough big things right and while there a few big weaknesses they've done well.

The Lakers in 2010 and Mavs in 2011 knocked the Thunder out of the playoffs. The Champs with many strengths, including fouling less than average. Lakers were 2nd best, Mavs 3rd in the respective years. In 10-11 half the Thunder losses were to the teams in the lowest third on fouling. Just one factor but probably part of the best way to beat the Thunder. Having a defender that can hold back Westbrook or Durant is another. Need more quality shooting in the rotation mix to deal with either of these issues.

Looks like the % of inside shots given up to opponents is higher than league average at center by a moderate amount and at least a bit at PG and PF too.

Play by play data could tell if there was any change after the big trade.

Another not good: 3 straight seasons giving up one of the 3 highest amounts of inside shots to opponents. In 07-08 it was 8th worst so it got worst from that PJ coached / rookie season. Will Perkins change that? I hope so. 2 seasons of Ibaka hasn't.

*other Portland moves. (Doh!)

Another item under the Bad in my mind would be drafting Green three spots after Durant while Noah was still on the board. This has always been a question I've wanted to ask him. Being that they are both 3s, why did you choose Green immediately after having picked KD? Outside of that, he has been better than anyone else in the business, in my opinion. Only Pritchard rivals Presti in the area of acquiring talent -- Flipping TThomas(#2) for Aldridge (#4) & Foye (#7) for Roy (#6) in the 06 Draft, among his other Portland.

As for Riley, yes I agree he is a good GM for having kept financial flexibility the past few years in order to sign those 3 large contracts last summer. BUT that would of not been possible without Wade's interactions with James/Bosh at the 2008 Olympics where they spoke on the topic of playing on the same team. Because of that, I feel his prowess is somewhat diminished because that type of recruiting (which is illegal in the NBA, correct?) took place.

When we gonna get a Presti shirt from Tree&Leaf??? I'd buy that in a heartbeat.

Mullens was taken in the first round, not the second. Given his production, I can forgive the confusion.

As far as the chicken/egg question about evaluation versus organization, it's basketball. NBA athletes are too good for an organization to truly "develop" talent. They can screw up talent, for sure, but it's far more credit that they saw the potential in Westbrook, Harden, and Ibaka then to say the Thunder culture improved their abilities all that much.

Last point -- to say that Riley is the top GM in the game is simply asinine. It didn't take a brain surgeon to complete his plan for the Big Three, and his selections at 4 through 12 can be easily criticized. His failure to take on any sort of youth, his poor planning for the bench, the move for Bibby -- they were all mistakes Riley made. Had Presti been set up in that situation he would have stockpiled picks in advance and built a far younger and far more flexible core around the Big Three.