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Friday Bolts – 6.3.11

The Mavs opened some old wounds with yet another comeback last night. John Hollinger of ESPN.com: “Fool’s gold. That’s my two-word analysis of the Miami Heat’s offense that got them a 1-0 series lead and 15-point edge midway through the fourth quarter of Game 2. With LeBron James and Dwyane Wade converting an unusually large number of bailout 3-point attempts and the Heat getting multiple easy baskets from their defense, it was easy to overlook the fact that Miami’s half-court offense was struggling to consistently generate good shots.”

Henry Abbott, with apologies to Shawn Marion: “List #1: Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, Kobe Bryant, Russell Westbrook, Kevin Durant, LeBron James, Dwyane Wade — just some of the players Shawn Marion has guarded on the Mavericks’ 13-4 playoff thrill ride to this point of the Finals.”

Chris Mannix of SI: “Plenty of time to make a comeback. Fifteen points in the fourth quarter? Ask Oklahoma City if Dallas can rally from that. Miami had played brilliantly up until that point, but the Mavs refused to lay down. Rick Carlisle called very few plays down the stretch, instead letting his team pick-and-roll Miami to death and let Nowitzki (nine points in the quarter) and Terry (eight) pick apart a suddenly soft Heat defense. Miami fired three-pointer after three-pointer, 11 in the fourth and 30 in all, hoping a couple of timely makes would reignite the crowd and make the Mavericks quit. That busted left middle finger Nowitzki was playing with didn’t seem to bother him much: two of his last three buckets — including a high-arcing game winning layup — came off that left hand.”

The Thunder logo in sand. Hopefully not built too close to the water.

There was a lot of talk about Miami’s supposed celebration after a Wade 3 last night. I think that’s pretty ridiculous.

My good friend Rob Mahoney dropped a pretty awesome question on LeBron last night, but I think the guy in the lower left corner stole the show.

I saw this van in Miami late last night. Yeeeeeeeeeeeah.

Good tweet from someone to me: “You should change the title of your earlier blog post from ‘Learning from the Heat‘ to ‘The Heat learn from us’.” Indeed.

From Elias: “Dirk Nowitzki scored the Mavericks’ last nine points including a layup with three seconds remaining that gave Dallas a 95-93 victory in Miami to deadlock the NBA Finals at one game apiece. It was the fifth time in this year’s NBA playoffs that a player to score his team’s last nine or more points of a game, including the game-winning bucket, after only one player had done that during the previous seven postseasons. LeBron James was the only player to do so over that span (2004-2010), when he scored Cleveland’s last 25 points, including the game-winner, in a double-overtime victory at Detroit in the 2007 Conference finals. The others to do it in 2011 were Nowitzki (vs. Portland), Joe Johnson (vs. Orlando), Kevin Durant (vs. Denver) and James (vs. Boston).”

 

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@ okc baby

Steve Blake actually wasn't that bad in Portland.

DJ 7 :@ okc baby You really lack so much. The games we lost after the trade were due to lack of players. After the trade our team only lost 2 in a row to Orlando , and the Lakers. After Nazr was elegible to play we would go on to lose only 1 of the next 7, out of those 7 we dominated 5 of them. After that KP was eligible to play, and we would go on to win 11 of our last 15 games. A majority of them were won comfortably. Of course our starting unit struggled to score offensively, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that, but i remember very cleary when we started to push for Harden to put inserted in the starting line up, you went on and on about how we need Thabo’s defense to start the game. ect.. ect… ect… your usual “oh well Harden did this bad but Thabo did this good” argument that ends with “just sayin” or “Oh Thabo can’t do that cuz he sucks…. haters gon hate” after Thabo did something good.

Steve Blake? All Iam going to say. You cant speak anymore

Caleb :@okcbabyUhh no actually it’s just a simple change of mind to go from a fan type of name to my normal name… So same personality… The mind is a powerful thing… You on the other hand…. “yeah go thunder I love this team!!!!”…. (10 min later)…. “hahahahaha you guys are all stupid because you don’t worship maynor hahahahaha… Just sayin… Haters gon hate”… Notice how you went from normal talking and even making sense to some sort of ebonics Internet language? That is a split personality… That or you are 14… Which I have come to the conclusion you have got to for sure be under the age of 1&… So I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt little buddy

hahaha You haters are in denial. Never seen so many fans hate more players on their team. :)

Daniel Plainview :@TaoMaas While KD is a given, I would not intclude RW or Harden in any trade scenario. As much as I love Ibaka, I would include he, Perk and Maynor, if Dwight would sign with us. Not sure if they would throw Anderson or Nelson in the mix. We would have Superman and Kryptonite on the same team. that would be kinda cool, or super cool?

Yea the Magic would do that deal. hahaha special people

@ okc baby

You really lack so much. The games we lost after the trade were due to lack of players. After the trade our team only lost 2 in a row to Orlando , and the Lakers. After Nazr was elegible to play we would go on to lose only 1 of the next 7, out of those 7 we dominated 5 of them. After that KP was eligible to play, and we would go on to win 11 of our last 15 games. A majority of them were won comfortably. Of course our starting unit struggled to score offensively, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that, but i remember very cleary when we started to push for Harden to put inserted in the starting line up, you went on and on about how we need Thabo's defense to start the game. ect.. ect... ect... your usual "oh well Harden did this bad but Thabo did this good" argument that ends with "just sayin" or "Oh Thabo can't do that cuz he sucks.... haters gon hate" after Thabo did something good.

okc baby :Talk about multiple personalities. You cant even keep the same name

HA!

I read the celebration article about Miamis celebrations throughout the year...I recall Dwyane Wade dunking over Kenderick Perkins in our game while down 12, then proceed to cabbage patch in the middle of the floor. We went on to win that game by 14...

@okcbaby

Uhh no actually it's just a simple change of mind to go from a fan type of name to my normal name... So same personality... The mind is a powerful thing... You on the other hand.... "yeah go thunder I love this team!!!!".... (10 min later).... "hahahahaha you guys are all stupid because you don't worship maynor hahahahaha... Just sayin... Haters gon hate"... Notice how you went from normal talking and even making sense to some sort of ebonics Internet language? That is a split personality... That or you are 14... Which I have come to the conclusion you have got to for sure be under the age of 1&... So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt little buddy

@TaoMaas

While KD is a given, I would not intclude RW or Harden in any trade scenario. As much as I love Ibaka, I would include he, Perk and Maynor, if Dwight would sign with us. Not sure if they would throw Anderson or Nelson in the mix. We would have Superman and Kryptonite on the same team. that would be kinda cool, or super cool?

Is okc baby the first troll in the history of the internet who arrived at thus, absent of design?

@hehatemimes

The problem with that trade is that you picked the 3 Thunder players that I think Presti is using as his cornerstones. Extending KD was a no-brainer. The telling moves to me were locking in Collison and Perk almost before they had a chance to consider going elsewhere.

Talk about multiple personalities. You cant even keep the same name

Haha I have been on here since mid season bro... Was thunderstruck4life "not lurk" nice try... Your cool... Just sayin... Hahahahahaha... Haters gon hate

Caleb :Okc baby suffers from split personality’s disorder I believe whatever that’s called

Who are you? Never seen u in this board.*lurk*

DJ 7 :@ okc baby Funny you call Justin a homer, the guy who criticises players the most on this board, but you consistently rant about Maynor, Thabo, and when we had him Jeff Green with dumb logic, and considerably weak arguements ending with “just saying”. I remember you saying the night we beat the Heat at their place “i believe in this team now.” “i didn’t think they could do it without Jeff, but they prooved me wrong”. I remember when we traded Jeff and lost those few games you were on and on about how this team is going to struggle ect.So either your the homer, or you just really fail as a troll.

And heres Marge Simpson.....If I recall the starting unit did struggle offensively after the trade. I could be wrong though:) And we traded away Nenad with Green who was the bigger problem. Just sayin. Tell me exactly what I ranted about Thabo. Exactly I call Bull shiz.

The trade system doesn't work. It doesn't acknowledge that Collison will make mid level money next season. We would have to trade Westbrook/Perkins/Aldrich, and a pick for Howard/Arenas+?. We would be deep into the red zone. I personhally would love to have Howard, but i personally have invested into this team and can't imagine trading anymore of our core away unless necessary.

hehatemimes :Would you do this trade:Howard/Turkoglu/Bass for Durant/Collison/Perkinshttp://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=...

Sweet Jeebus. Not just no, HELL NO! I appreciate guys doing some brainstorming here but that shit is insane. I cannot imagine ever trading Kevin and that goes for ANY player in the NBA. He's bigger than the wins and losses in this community at this point. Plus it isn't like he isn't badass and still improving in his own right.

Okc baby suffers from split personality's disorder I believe whatever that's called

@ okc baby

Funny you call Justin a homer, the guy who criticises players the most on this board, but you consistently rant about Maynor, Thabo, and when we had him Jeff Green with dumb logic, and considerably weak arguements ending with "just saying". I remember you saying the night we beat the Heat at their place "i believe in this team now." "i didn't think they could do it without Jeff, but they prooved me wrong". I remember when we traded Jeff and lost those few games you were on and on about how this team is going to struggle ect.

So either your the homer, or you just really fail as a troll.

Hahaha... It's funny how everybody's minds are running crazy about this Howard thing all because of the rumor started yesterday.. Surprised it's not a more national rumor already... "this just in... Rumor has it that okc and Orlando are in talks for a trade... Howard will be bringing in turkoglu and bass if appears and it looks as though the thunder will being saying fairwell to collison Perkins and franchise player Durant" haha how messed up the media is I wouldn't be surprised

More from Mannix, who loves us:

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Teams that are going to be able to challenge Miami the next five years: 1. OKC. 2. Lakers (for at least two). 3. Bulls. 4. Knicks (w/help)

ChrisMannixSI Chris Mannix
Of that list, only OKC, to me, is a definite threat. Maturation of KD, Westbrook, Harden plus depth will make them really tough.

Tweet I just saw from Chris Mannix:

@ChrisMannixSI
Don't be surprised if OKC deals their No. 1 pick. Top-eight players returning (plus Aldrich), no real need for a new rookie from weak draft.

And Collison will retire a Thunder

No Way! KD is the Face of OKC

@ hehatemimes
NNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Would you do this trade:

Howard/Turkoglu/Bass for Durant/Collison/Perkins

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=...

f5alcon :@okc babyaaron brooks is a better backup PG, so is raymond felton, george hill, maybe barea, dragic, jarrett jack, provided rubio starts ridnour is better

Jarret Jack....ummm no Only Barea or Felton maybe. Felton also played alot more minutes. And I think Maynor got the last laugh. head to head on Barea Maynor had better games through the season. Just sayin

It's threads like this that make me think okc baby isn't a real person. He's a ghost in the Internet machine, a piece of haywire code gone sentient. He talks like the emails that get caught in my spam filter.

justin :@ DJ 7 Maynor’s a four year college player and he’s going to be 24 in a week. I think we have a good idea of who he is going to be as a player. He’s a mediocre scorer from anywhere but 3PT range, a decent distributor whose handle can be busted by traps and quick defenders. Doesn’t have elite quickness or ball skills.The bench’s success came down to better balance due to Harden / Collison being there, and before that, better defense due to Serge / Collison being there. Maynor has the least important role on the team…

Homer Simpson

Greg :Derek Fisher better than Maynor? That’s almost as laughable as Steve Blake.I don’t see Orlando trading within the conference, and rightfully so.

Why wouldn't they?

Its not like trading a #2/#3 guy for a different potential #2/#3 guy. They are trading a franchise center piece, and the talent remaining on the team is garbage. You aren't getting back equal value for him unless you get Lebron or Durant and thats not happening. They are going into rebuilding mode by trading him.

They need to get whatever they can and try and dump one of Arenas/Turkoglu as well. If they can get some cheap young talent, picks, and dump one of those guys in a Howard trade then you do it no matter where the team is.

@ DJ 7

Maynor's a four year college player and he's going to be 24 in a week. I think we have a good idea of who he is going to be as a player. He's a mediocre scorer from anywhere but 3PT range, a decent distributor whose handle can be busted by traps and quick defenders. Doesn't have elite quickness or ball skills.

The bench's success came down to better balance due to Harden / Collison being there, and before that, better defense due to Serge / Collison being there. Maynor has the least important role on the team...

I don't think there's any question the Lakers would be starting Maynor over Fisher's corpse by now.

Never seen so much haterade on your own team.

Fisher and blake better then Maynor. hahahhaha Wow

@ bouzi4real

i'de disagree. Maynor has an undetermined ceiling. He can become a legit scoring threat in the league if he worked on his ability to drive, and quickeness as a whole. With added confidence to his shooting he could easily get us 6-10 a night. He's shown flashes of it all season. He's also show flashes of why he wouldn't be a starting PG on a top tier team. Maynor Made me a VCU fan. There a good amount of starting, and back up PG's who at the moment >Maynor, can Maynor end up being much better then most of them, that is unknown. I hope he can, the guy was ruthless in VCU. He played like garbage the few games he did with Utah, came here and played great. I guess i'm just more annoyed by OKC-BABY's countless rants about how Maynor should be starting, and such. As someone who's seen Maynor play his first game in college, i think i recognize more of Maynors upside then a guy who roots for him because well i don't even know why he does.

@ Greg

I like Maynor alot, i've seen him play since VCU. Fisher is better then Maynor for the time being. As far as Blake okay i'll admit i was going on much of a stretch.

Derek Fisher better than Maynor? That's almost as laughable as Steve Blake.

I don't see Orlando trading within the conference, and rightfully so.

@ Sammy

He wasn't that bad when he first arrived in Portland. After that he just went straight down to god knows what.

@ Sammy

I'm almost convinced Chicago will build off of Rose, and Noah. I can see them trading Boozer in the near future, and Deng. After the run they had this season/post season even though they play in the weak east, management will believe in their players and feel they are an average SG away from a championship.

Atlanta i can see making a run at Howard. Trade Josh Smith, Xaxa Pachulia, and ? for Howard/Arenas. Problem is i don't see why they would do with Arenas which to me would be the only reason why they wouldn't. I guess have him off the bench but then what about Jamal Crawford? I guess JC./Smith/Pachulia and pick or cash considerations for Howard/Arenas.

Can you imagine how scary a front court duo of Harford/Howard would be? HF is a PF playing C. His performance would sky rocket playing along side D12. Not to mention with J.J and Arenas off the bench, D12 wouldn't have to worry about being the primary scorer. Litterally become a contender.

@ DJ 7
Erm, have you ever actually seen Steve Blake play? Dude is terrrrrrrible. One of the 5 worst backups in the league.

Howard is only going to be traded where he wants to go. He holds all the power. No team is going to trade for him unless he says he'll sign an extension.

The last few repots have said he'd prefer to stay in Orlando(not surprising he'd say that) and that the Lakers had fallen down on his list. This was around the same time Jimmy Buss said he felt Bynum was an untouchable.

@ okc baby

No Fisher, and Blake are both better PG's then Maynor. Blake can actually create his own shot. Mario Chalmers and Mike Bibby are better then Maynor as well. Stop being delusional.

@okc baby

aaron brooks is a better backup PG, so is raymond felton, george hill, maybe barea, dragic, jarrett jack, provided rubio starts ridnour is better

@ okc baby
We also lost a game because he waved off KD, Russ, and Harden and then missed. Smart play, right?

sammasaaron :
okc baby :
sammasaaron :@ okc baby You’re either the most accomplished troll on the interwebs or are just completely oblivious. Either way, you’re nigh intolerable.
Truth hurts
This makes less than no sense to me. Does the the truth hurt me? Are you suggesting I dislike your comments because I’m not prepared to accept the truth they reveal? Or, are you saying my comment was hurtful, but truthful?This is the problem everyone has with you. You rarely construct complete sentences, let alone cogent arguments.

Blind stardom

JJJ :
okc baby :Ive been saying we had the best bench in the league and now maynor is arguably the best back up PG in the league.
Not really sure you can say that after the WCF.But anyways, I don’t get what you’re arguing for. Are you saying that Maynor is good? That he should be starting? Westbrook sucks? Ninety five percent of your comments have something to do with those two, but your opinion is still unclear.

The only game we won he finished. Just sayin. Did we win a game with Russ?

DJ 7 :@ okc baby Maynor is a good solid back up, but not the best back up in the league. He maybe would start for lower tier teams that are in need of PG’s but he’s not the best back up in the league. He does have the potential however to turn into a real scoring threat but until he can maintain his passive play, and learn to score in the NBA it’ll keep him from being a starter on a winning team.

Yea and Miami and Lakers wouldnt. That would make much more sense. hahaha You would rather put him on a one of the bottom feeder teams. Thumbs up

To me, Chicago and New Jersey are the two teams best positioned to make a run at Howard in a sign and trade, once you consider returning assets, Howard's willingness to re-sign, etc. Atlanta is the dark-horse if they take back Gilbert's contract as well.

justin :
okc baby :Ive been saying we had the best bench in the league and now maynor is arguably the best back up PG in the league.
He isn’t…

Hater