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andrew :Rose with a bad ankle is better right now than another active player has been at any point in their career. Its just a fact.

You're a joke bro... bottom line....

I take LBJ, DH 12, AND KD over him NO DOUBT!!!!!

corrections to my post on page 5:

In the 2011 regular season, the big minute PGs 23 years old and under at the start for the season had a 10% "higher" usage than those older and shot 26% more often. They shot near identical FG%s. In the playoffs the young ones had 21% "higher" usage and shot 43% more than the older ones.

bouzi4real :
does anyone remember the TO to assit ratio for cancelling each other out in +/- ? wasn’t it some thing like 1.2TO=1AST?

It depends on which metric you are referring to. In many systems (but not all) it takes 2-3 assists to cancel out a turnover.

justin :
Here’s something Bulls related to lighten the mood: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSbPhTk_3tI

I can't stop thinking about this and giggling.

PNT :

DizzDai :</strongMullens has size and athleticism, but appears to have a walnut size brain. I wouldn’t be surprised if his option was declined.

Mullens’ 3rd year option was picked up in October.
http://www.nba.com/thunder/news/options_release101...

A decision on his 4th year option will still have to be made before the start of next season.

@justin

Ok, thanks for your clarification. I wasn't sure which you were using, hence the question; but perhaps I should have waited for an answer. But that is probably enough on the topic for me. It is not as simple a topic as it might appear in Brooks' original statement.

Adjustments to previous post:

PGs under the mean on usage were still twice as common as over the mean. Some of those over the mean usage were way over. Of those over 25% usage, the regular performance was about the same but the playoff Offensive Rating is about 2 points less than for those below the mean usage.

and forget the last sentence stub

@Crow

Team ORTG's. After all, we are evaluating how the high usage PG affects team offense, no?

At any rate, I don't think there's conclusive evidence at all that a high usage PG is inherently a bad thing. It depends a lot on team context and other things. From what I'm seeing, also, usually having a PG with a higher than average usage just means the team lacks offensive options elsewhere. Bucks, Nets, Cavs, Wizards, Bobcats...

We lead the playoffs in scoring and defensive rebound %

http://newsok.com/oklahoma-city-thunders-ibaka-sta...

Perhaps Serge becomes Americas greatest ambassador for Mexican-American Immigration???

@Thunderkid89
Only if he does it on 37% shooting

@justin

"Just using the starting PG’s for each team, the top half in ORTG’s average USG this season was 21.61 and the bottom half was 20.26. Different USG’s seem evenly distributed. I really don’t think there’s an implicit disadvantage offensively in having your PG take a lot of shots."

I assume these are player ORTGs? It would seem slightly better to me to compare ORTGs for upper half on usage to lower lower half on usage rather than comparing usage for upper to lower half on ORTG. Doing so for the 25 PGs who started 60+ games (as a simple average, not minutes weighted) in the regular season, the 11 who had usage above the average had an average regular season Offensive Rating about 1 point below those with usage under the mean, though about 1.5 higher in the playoffs.

Of those 11 with higher than average usage, 5 made the playoffs but only 2 remain in it (Russell and Derrick). Of the 19 with lower than usage. 10 made the playoffs (Hinrich is missing from my dataset for lack of 60 starts for the Hawks) and 5 remain. Similar fractions advancing. So it is not "pivotal" on average as you say. but it still could be in specific cases. Westbrook has the lowest playoff Offensive Rating of any PG still playing.

But the trend was not as simple

*Minion-God

I usually like Michael Wilbon but that article was ridiculous. If Serge come out with his banged up knee and puts up 10 pts 10 reb and 3 blocks on Sat. Does that make him more heroic than Rose!

kfmsooner :Wilbon’s NBA ‘knowledge’ is very sketchy at best. He lost me last round when he was trying to tell everyone how great Indiana was while they were taking it to the Bulls. He claimed there was no way Atlanta or Orlando would play the Bulls as hard as Indiana…oops.

I remeber that. I use to like him, sseems like a cool reasonable dood, but this his minion-go relationship with Rose has proven to be a very vexing and myopic piety

@justin
That was actually pretty sweet

Wilbon's NBA 'knowledge' is very sketchy at best. He lost me last round when he was trying to tell everyone how great Indiana was while they were taking it to the Bulls. He claimed there was no way Atlanta or Orlando would play the Bulls as hard as Indiana...oops.

Wilbon seems to be selling out and becoming a page view whore. Playing both sides of the fence in a way. He knows the Bulls fans will lap it up(it is on espn chicago) and everyone else will read it to bitch.

andrew :Rose with a bad ankle is better right now than another active player has been at any point in their career. Its just a fact.

Pray tell, what does this vagury mean? Rose is chucking the ball immensely and no one is talking about it. His shooting percentages in the playoffs are horrifying. Russ has superior or like numbers across teh board and there is so little backlash on ROse. All the talk is about what a complete player he is and deserves the MVP

Here's something Bulls related to lighten the mood: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSbPhTk_3tI

Boozer got paid so he doesn't have to try anymore.

Carlos boozer is horrible this year because his last 5 seasons were anomalies, it has nothing to do with playing beside rose instead of deron Williams.

@Daniel
*0-7 from 3 for Russ

Just for reference, here are Westbrook's Game 4 and Rose's Game 2 side by side:

Westbrook: 30 points, 12-30 FG (7-0 from 3, 6-7 FT), 6 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 3 turnovers

Rose: 25 points, 10-27 FG (1-8 from 3, 4-5 FT), 6 rebounds, 10 assists, 0 steals, 2 blocks, 8 turnovers

does anyone remember the TO to assit ratio for cancelling each other out in +/- ? wasn't it some thing like 1.2TO=1AST?

Rose with a bad ankle is better right now than another active player has been at any point in their career. Its just a fact.

His missed deliberately so teammate Joakim Noah could get the rebounds.

gr8ball83 :guys guys guys, come on, 37% from the field and 12% from 3, with 8 turnovers, truly shows Rose’s value and MVP quality. 25 points on 27 shots is EPIC!

Epic, in the worst way.

guys guys guys, come on, 37% from the field and 12% from 3, with 8 turnovers, truly shows Rose's value and MVP quality. 25 points on 27 shots is EPIC!

I'm very upset with wilbon. Just a week ago he was yelling on pti "that no matter who you are, as a PG you shouldn't take more than 25+ shots in the playoffs." But now i guess Rose did it so the shot amount has risen to 27.
Nope Russ your performance for 30 shots was still bad.

One more important twist to my data. In the 2011 regular season, the big minute PGS 23 years old and under at the start for the season had a 10% usage than those older and shot 26% more often. They shot near identical FG%s. In the playoffs the young ones had 21% usage and shot 43% more than the older ones.

There is a trend of big minute PGs having higher usage and shooting more often... but it is among those under 23 years old and not the entire big minute PG population. The average trend might extend beyond 23 years old but 24 no longer seems "young" to me for this. These young guys on average have shot better in the playoffs than their older counterparts especially from 3 point land... but not Russell. His FG%s are real close to the older guys.

"On a night when roses ankle would not allow him to play at his highest level, he still managed to discover a cure for cancer while tossing up many beautiful missed shots."
/wilbon'd

@DXL

I agree. Pleiss and Williams would be 1st rounders this year.

I thought there were some decent bigmen. Unless Enes Kanter pulled out.

@gr8ball83
? 69

@John
*embarrassingly

@John
not sure he can see anything with rose's balls covering his eyes....

Wilbon is an embarringly obvious Chicago homer and views the world through Rose colored glasses.

Miami (and perhaps Boston) will crush Chicago, if the Bulls get past Atlanta that is.

Why is it so amazing to Wilbon that Rose is playing hurt and not admitting to it? At this point in the season, almost everyone that has played rotation minutes is nursing something. It would be stupid of anyone to admit weakness. Heck, Kobe has been playing with an arthritic index finger on his shooting hand for a couple of years now.

KD plays with perk and thabo who are worse than Joakim Noah and Keith Bogans at offense end but his performance is much better than Rose.And dont forget our opponents are much better than Pacers and Hawks.

@justin
If Dr.'s say he isn't injured, and the player says he isn't injured, why does the media keep insisting that he's injured. He didn't look any different than he has all season as far as I could tell.

@justin
hahahahahahahaha. what an article.

@gr8ball83

But Rose was injured... his heroic performance playing through the injury, something no other NBA player ever does in the playoffs, deserves a 1,000 word column and our undying adoration.

@justin
The hilarious thing is he had worse numbers than Westbrook did the game where the entire world flipped out on him.

@justin
Good thing Wilbon was typing that and not doing it on a radio/tv show. His mouth is obviously busy 24/7 doing something that can't be mentioned on DT.....

Valanciunas who is in top3 in draftexpress is 7.7+5.8 in euro league and tibor is 6+6 as @DizzDai said.Tibor didn't play well in his first 3 games but he improved very much.Maybe it wastes time for him to play in Germany league because its level is low.

If you want to get angry, read this: http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/columns/stor...

@PNT

Thanks for the update. :)

@DizzDai
I think Latavious is definitely an NBA rotation player. Last year in the D-league, of all the players who played over 250 minutes Latavious had the best field-goal shooting percentage at nearly 64%. Of all the players who played over 250 minutes Latavious was the fifth best rebounder per minute.

Presti will hold Latavious in Tulsa as long as possible, to retain his rights and develop him without using an NBA roster spot. But I do think he's in the long-term plans.

kfmsooner :I know TV runs everything, but isn’t ridiculous that the teams that played last night play again tomorrow night and the teams that played Tuesday night have to wait til Saturday?

Done for ABC. They wanted the Lakers on Sunday. Probably instead of our game. I can't imagine that the ratings are awesome for our series.

I'd rather play Dallas so we can avoid any more game start times of 10pm.

For backup C next year it's either Aldrich or a FA...