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Flip it and reverse it: OKC loses to the Clips 98-92

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All I could say for the last four minutes of this game was, “I can’t believe the Thunder is going to lose this game.” I was sort of saying it because I didn’t really think it was going to happen, but was trying to reverse jinx it anyway.

And then the Thunder lost the game.

With the game tied at 92-92, Eric Gordon dropped a big 3 with 45 seconds left. On the Thunder’s following possession, Russell Westbrook threw the ball away and was forced to foul Randy Foye. Just like that the Clippers were up five with 30 seconds remaining and Oklahoma City was essentially sunk.

I don’t really know how to describe it. The easiest way is to say that this was a ridiculous loss. About as bad as they get. The way the Thunder fell asleep at the wheel again in the third quarter, then failed to execute late in the game was almost disorienting. It was basically the same story from Friday night, but to a worse team.

Oklahoma City took charge early, held a solid 12-point lead at halftime and looked to be on the way to a nice take-care-of-business win. The defense was good, the offense pretty crisp and the energy solid.

Then Joey Crawford took over the game in the third quarter. A total of six technical fouls were called in about a three-minute stretch (five on OKC) and whether they were deserved or not, all of that took every bit of focus and energy out of the Thunder. The one on Nazr Mohammed was the breaking point for the team. Mohammed was hit for mildly touching Blake Griffin and the message was sent by the officiating crew and the Thunder took it to heart: quit playing so darn hard.

All of that nonsense in the third really seemed to get in OKC’s head. The defense on Griffin slacked, Randy Foye hit a few deep bombs and the Thunder offense couldn’t figure out how to execute. Russell Westbrook finished 1-12 for the game, Kevin Durant went 4-14 in the second half and the team just sort of forgot what it was doing. The loss is frustrating and it’s bad. But it’s also deserved. There’s no excuse to just settle the way the Thunder did. Even if the officials mentally took you out of the game.

I thought Serge Ibaka had injected some life into the team with his ridiculous stuff of Griffin at the rim, but after he fouled out on a pretty iffy call, the tram sort of went flat again. In the end, the Clippers outscored OKC 61-43 in the second half and basically dominated the game. There was never a real good jolt of energy that was sustained. The Ibaka block was nice and Harden’s interception of an oop that led to a fast break was good, but they were just moments. There wasn’t an extended time of good basketball in the second half.

I said it Friday night and this game proved it again: If Russ and KD don’t play well at the same time — which is rare — this team has a hard time figuring out how to win. Again, this was almost a carbon copy of the Portland game. The score was almost even the same. The Thunder didn’t learn from anything Friday night and even worse in this one, shot themselves in the foot. They lost to a team much worse than them and it wasn’t because someone was just hot or they didn’t shoot the ball well. They beat themselves and that’s what’s most frustrating.

NOTES:

  • The Thunder came out exactly as you’d hope they would against the Clippers. They were moving the ball, playing great defense and working hard everywhere. It looked like the team was on a mission to right the wrongs of Friday and wanted to punish the Clips. And then the third quarter happened.
  • OK, let me try and describe the little technical foul party in the third. The first to get nailed was Kendrick Perkins for protesting a call a little too long. Probably deserved. The following play, Westbrook was called for quite the questionable charge and hopped up as if he was going to really challenge Joey Crawford on it. Westbrook didn’t appear to say anything but was demonstrative as Serge Ibaka tried to hold him back. It didn’t matter as Westbrook and Scott Brooks picked up Ts. Next, Nick Collison lightly bumped Blake Griffin under the basket and naturally, Griffin took exception to it and had words for Nick. Both were hit with techs. And then the next play, Mohammed stopped Griffin from dunking the ball after the whistle and so Griffin took exception again, and Mohammed was hit with a T. The only only deserving player to be called with Perk at the beginning of this. The whole thing was totally ridiculous.
  • Oh, and DeAndre Jordan picked up one in the fourth quarter. So seven total.
  • A paragraph on Blake Griffin: First, I love the guy. I knew him and his brother growing up. I watched him in middle school. Then in high school. Then at OU. But the way he’s acting now is really irking me. He’s not the same guy on the court. The way he tries to stare down opponents after every bucket. The way he constantly complains. The way he overacts each bump and foul. The way he yells and takes everything personal. It’s not him. It’s like he’s trying to play with a hard edge all the time when it’s unnecessary. You aren’t the Clips’ enforcer, you’re their best player. Act like it. Griffin needs to just play ball. He’s a little too caught up in every foul, every push, every bump, every word. Play basketball and let your game do all the talking you need. Griffin has a ton of it. All this falling and drama he puts on really sort of cheapens his talent. It takes away focus from how awesome he is.
  • Thing is, Russell Westbrook is the same way as Griffin with the falling and drama and it certainly gets on my nerves, but Griffin is on another level.
  • Ibaka’s shooting percentage has to drop like 30 percent when he takes a dribble before a shot. He’s not quite ready for that part of his game. It’ll be great once it comes, but it’s not there quite yet.
  • Turnovers were a big part of OKC’s collapse. A total of 16 in this one, with a bunch of them being really dumb.
  • Griffin took five charges in this one.
  • Jamario Moon wears his headband over just one ear. I don’t know what to say about that.
  • Did I just dream that this game was on ESPN tonight? I could’ve sworn I saw like four promos last night saying this game was on ESPN.
  • Eric Gordon has just a terrific handle. He dribbles the ball HARD, but never loses control.
  • Is it just me or has Grant Long tried to make an incredible effort to be decidedly non-homerish lately? I think Long has really improved as an analyst, and maybe that’s one of the reasons. He’s separating his emotion a bit from the game and is really focusing on just calling what he sees. Although, he did properly freak out over Ibaka’s block though.
  • Brian Davis Line of the Night: I didn’t really hear a good one in this one. Any nominations?

I’ll be honest, I’m sort of deflated. This game left a really bad taste in my mouth. Not only did the Thunder lose and play horribly to do it, but I was soured with the way Griffin acted all night. The whole thing just sort of stunk. I hope to see a very angry team Tuesday night in Denver.

Next up: At Denver Tuesday.

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@TaoMaas
I agree, problem no 1 is ball movement, however, I believe thats precisely what Harden will bring. He might be a better passer than Russ as is his BB IQ. As is, there is one shooter and one playmaker on the floor, and 3 defenders, two of which can be completely ignored by opposing defenses - this kills us. Now that we have TWO other Defensive specialists on the floor, Thabos role has even less necessity. His role should be reduced to spot duty on on players such as Kobe and Wade (However, it was Harden that really disrupted Kobes game last we met) Thabo is only slightly better than Harden on defense however, hes focus has seen many lapses this year. Is this a confidence thing because he is such decidely inert on offense? Whatever the reasons, Harden is infinitely superior to Thabo in everything else. With Harden on teh floor, all the other starters KNOW they can pass it to mor ethan just 2 players. This will open things up so much for us. Once Harden gets the start, give it afew games for the chemistry to arrive, and this will manifest. Your other point about about not have three shooters on the floor is answered by including Harden in the 1st unit. Build it, and the ball movement will come.

Daniel Plainview : Do you not see how Hardens offensive ability is going to have this influence on the floor?

Yes, I see it when Harden is on the floor with Maynor. Not so much when he's the #3 option behind KD and Russ. I don't see this as a Thabo vs Harden problem. I think our first problem is ball movement. Too many times we take the first look we get. Starting Harden isn't going to fix that. Second, I think too much of Serge's scoring comes at the basket, so we really have three guys on the first team who aren't outside threats. That's another reason teams can pack the paint and I think it gets overlooked a lot.

@TaoMaas
This isnt fantasy basketball; by switiching guys, you do not switch their numbers. What Harden would add to the starting line up is a spreading of the floor: More shots for KD and RW with one defender on them, and not two or 3 collapsing. And, that one defender, running into a screen. When this happens, Russ and KD's FG%'s (As well as everyone elses) will see an increase because their shots will be less contested, require less acrobatics, less frantic decision making. Do you not see how Hardens offensive ability is going to have this influence on the floor? Most of the Thabo apologists agree he is not as smothering as he was last year.

Move the discussion over to the Bolts, please, so we don't have to keep coming back to this page.

@Daniel Plainview

Sorry, but everything you just stated as a given is just guessing. KD and Russ don't seem to trust Harden the way they trusted Uncle Jeff. It MIGHT happen someday, but today is not that day. Once they start to trust Harden and use him more efficiently, he will probably spread the floor...the way he already does on the second team. I don't think Brooks is afraid of disrupting the starting unit. He's already shown that he's willing to do that by playing Harden at the end of games in place of Thabo. I think he's afraid of trading 17 points off the bench by Harden, in exchange for the 8 points that Harden will get with the starting unit at this point. With as many close games as the Thunder has played this year, those 9 points could mean another 10-12 losses, at least. Brooks isn't afraid, IMHO...he's just not willing to gamble this year.

TaoMaas :@kfmsooner

Numbers, brother…numbers. Show me the numbers!!! Harden has been playing with KD and Russ enough at the end of games for there to be enough statistical evidence to prove whether or not this combination is “the answer”. Frankly, I just don’t see it. If it were the answer, that combination would be pulling our azz out of the fire. But it’s not. The combination that IS saving the Thunder is the current 2nd team line-up. So…if you want Harden on the first team, it’s simple. Show me the numbers!

Variables, brother, variables. Harden plays with KD and Russ when Perk is on the bench because of foul trouble and after the Thunder just lost a 12 point lead, to wit, KD and Russ go into hero mode, which implies one dimensional tactics, that can work, but defenses know this tendency and collapse on both players. Harden, who in normal circumstances, would build chemistry with the ACTUAL starting unit, would irrefutable spread the floor and, not only removing spreading the floor, opening lanes, exponentially easing KD and Russ job of doing what they want but also allowing an incredible and dynamic talent. The reason Brooks hasnt done it because he is afraid of the disruption to the starting unit. Its a foregone conclusion (God, it should be)that Harden will start next year. What is the hold up now? Perhaps wed suffer a little from chemistry, but then again, if Thabo is so valuable to the starting unit, how to you rationalize him not playing at the end of games? Seems like backwoods logic to me.

@kfmsooner

You are a Sef hater..its that simple. And yes, the offense did look BAD when Harden was in with the starters against Portland. I love how you just brush right over the fact that Sef got 15 minutes and our offense was absolutely NON EXISTENT!!! How can you blame Sef for that when he was ON THE BENCH? If I am so inferior to you, quit responding. What a DB.

@kfmsooner

Numbers, brother...numbers. Show me the numbers!!! Harden has been playing with KD and Russ enough at the end of games for there to be enough statistical evidence to prove whether or not this combination is "the answer". Frankly, I just don't see it. If it were the answer, that combination would be pulling our azz out of the fire. But it's not. The combination that IS saving the Thunder is the current 2nd team line-up. So...if you want Harden on the first team, it's simple. Show me the numbers!

@cdub00
I can't argue with you anymore. JH can do more than space the floor. He carried us in the Portland game by driving, dishing and shooting. The starters need all of that, not just floor spacing. The offense did not look worse when James was in. The offense looked worse to start the 3rd and at the end of the 4th when Russ/KD tried to take over. James was in at the end of the 4th, but no one looked to him.

Sef and Harden are very close on defense. In the Clips game, JH was better than Sef. Sef gave up the most important basket of the game, a non-contested 3 to Gordon b.c Sef was worried Gordon would blow by him, again. Your description of JH not being in the same 'statosphere' defensively is not accurate. But, as I said, I can't argue with you since I don't believe you understand basketball.

@kfmsooner

And I didn't get to see much of that Clips game, my brother is home from Afghan right now and I was visiting with him.

@kfmsooner

Unlike some members of this board, I don't bash members of our team. I am not dumping on JH, simply pointing out an observation that while JH gets starter minutes (your miracle fix to a 50 win team) our offense actually looks worse. While nobody is debating that JH is a better scorer than Sef, I find it laughable that you think Sef and Harden are virtually identical on the defense. JH has flashes and he is improving on Defense, but he is certainly not where he needs to be. I love how you weave everything you say with an air of arrogance, like you can't beleive somebody would have a different opinion than you. The reason they stick JH in the corner is because he is a shooter, Russ is the creator when they are in together. As I have said before, it is a chemistry issue and another reason that, for now, JH is better off the bench. I love how you say they should stick him in for spacing and when they do, you bitch about that too. Which one is it? I am still waiting for you or Justin to give Sef a shred of credit.

I can’t beleive nobody has mentioned this: @kfmsooner and @justin got their wish, Sef was reduced to barely a role player’s minutes with only 15 minutes last night and we had one of our ugliest offensive games of the season. Coincidence?

This is from the Portland Recap...I don't know what you are watching...i don't think I can discuss basketball with you anymore...To dump on Harden for the Portland game is obscene. JH carried this team for a large part of the game. To say JH defense is 'not in the same statosphere' as SI is laughable. Do you watch the games? Are you just such a JH hater that you have to say this stuff?

The main problem is our combinations right now. TS along with KP is an easy defend for our opponent. Pack the lane, double RW anytime he drives, hedge KD and make Durant shoot deep bombs. JH in the lineup helps to space the floor.

justin has said it many times, as have I. RW does not know how to play with JH. Scoot Brooks has got to fix this. It might not be til next year, but an offensive gameplan like Tony Parker/Manu use would be great. Don't just send JH to the corner and let him be a spot-up 3pt shooter. Let JH handle the ball, drive, and create. It's time for JH to start and the force RW to learn how to play with him. JH is a baller. Sef is a role player who does 1 thing well, and JH does that same thing just about as good.

@cdub00
They were not late game collapses as much as early 3rd quarter lapses. When Thabo is in next to Russ. I hope you realize that is the biggest problem right now. Russ/Thabo/Perk is not a good offensive combination. We have enough defense on the 1st unit. We need another scorer. It's time for Harden to get the minutes JG was getting. 28 minutes is not enough.

And before you come back talking about Sef's defense, I hope you watched the Clippers game. Harden was the better defender on Eric Gordon, hands down. justin mentioned the Gordon 3 that was not defended by Sef, and there were others as well. JH is a very good defender and the gap between JH and TS defense is now minimal.

By far, the best part of the game is Blakes expression as he realizes his dunk has been stopped. I mean, look where that happened, the ball was above the square. its a combination of shock and terror. Air Congo, getting higher and higher!

That's a good question Daniel.. Not to my knowledge... He sure is a good passer though... I have to give that to him... Would love to see him in a thunder uniform but will hate him i have decided until that happens if it ever does haha

Their young and in transition. Cool your jets. OKC Thunder baby!

im with you OKC Baby. A few losses and its freakout mode. Its funny. We are still 3 games up on Denver and if we can just beat Sac Town and Milwaukee...we got this thing wrapped up. If we can win Tuesday night in Devner after thier impressive win today, that erases the bad taste from these last two late game collapses, IMO. Thunder Up!!

I read these post and glad Brooks is the coach. hahaha

TaoMaas :
Has anyone run the numbers on how much of Harden’s production comes with the 2nd team vs the 1st team? It makes no sense to start Harden if we’re only going to give him the ball as often as we’d pass it to Thabo.

It is a good question but the public data isn't good enough to answer it unless you went thru the play by play, which I haven't done for time reasons.

thunderstruck4life :@Daniel
plainview
Man that just bothers me so much about that block.. Where is the respect? I just want to see ibaka take the NBA by storm.. Sooner or later If he continues to improve.. His respect will be demanded

NBA TV might nor recognize it, but I guarantee you it made a tremendous impression on Blake that Ibaka is not in the least intimidated by him. Did Griffin have one dunk in this game? I didnt see one but may have missed it walking into the kitchen or something

I didn't realize how much of a whiny punk Kobe Jr. was until LAC came in Feb. Until then I was a fan.

I can't see starting Harden until we KNOW this streak isn't just a... streak. I'm not entirely convinced. (Although I'm coming around)

We try not to make too much out of bad officiating because it is difficult to attribute L's to anyone other than the players; however, the more I learn about the NBA refs, the more I start to wonder. I find it awkward that several (including Joey Crawford and the infamous Tim Donaghy) are old friends from Pennsylvania, having attended the same Catholic school in the Philadelphia area. Jim O'Brien and Geno Auriemma, too, are from the area playing at a rival Catholic school.

As I said, I'm not trying to blame any losses on referees, but NBA refs (especially Crawford) are notably questionable. I don't like having this weird nepotism in the NBA having old friends run things.

anybody checking out the spurs game? 70 points in a half? Defense must be a curse word today. But at least maybe this will help them hold off the Lakers.

@snowflake

That's just ignorance... Don't know how people have the jobs they have huh? I don't think you can even compare those two with the positions they play

Now to be negative: Westbrook stats before and after Perkins started playing.

FG%: 44.5% - 40.5%
TS%: 53.9% - 51.8%
USG: 31.8 - 31.2
AST%: 44.0% - 37.4%
A:TO: 2.2 - 1.7
LPER: 24.0 - 19.8

So his usage hasn't really dropped at all, but his FG%, TS%, AST%, assist to turnover ratio, and linear PER have all dropped pretty significantly. The sample size is up to 11 games, so that's starting to look like a real trend to me. The obvious reasoning is that Perkins/Ibaka (with Thabo) are clogging the lane more, mitigating the effectiveness of Russ going to the basket. The obvious solution is to start Harden and get Russ/KD acclimated to playing with him so that we aren't playing 5 on 3 on offense. I wish I believed that had a chance of happening.

In an effort to be somewhat positive (and also since I spent a bunch of time last night importing stuff from Basketball Reference and doing a bunch of formulas in Excel): Serge Ibaka has averaged 14.4pts, 10.2rebs, and 4.1blks per 36 minutes since Perk started playing. That's good for a linear PER of 19.4. That's pretty awesome.

@Daniel plainview

Man that just bothers me so much about that block.. Where is the respect? I just want to see ibaka take the NBA by storm.. Sooner or later If he continues to improve.. His respect will be demanded

Seriously... How did collison, and naz get those T's, that is just eating me up! I feel like Blake should have gotten 3 tech's himself! I just don't know how crawford could sleep at night knowing he stole our thunder (pardon the pun) once again though... Even with him no reason we should have lost... Ref's are part of the game

Justin's point about teams scoring off of missed shots is a good one. One of the things that makes for a good defensive team is an efficient offense. It's hard to be good defensively when the offense continuously breaks down.

Wow. On the front of ESPN.com there is an article by Chris Palmer comparing Blake Griffin and KD. He says Griffin is the better player. Are you kidding me?

It's sad to see the concerns anticipated after the Perkins trade coming to pass. I said at the time, Brooks can't continue to start Thabo--can he? Next to Perk and Russ and Serge? There's 1.5 shooters between the 5 starters (.25 with Westie and .25 with Ibaka). It's gonna be zone city. On the other hand, still good enough/talented enough to win more often than not. Not going to pass judgement based on end of season 4 games in 5 days mini-swoons. I'm just frustrated that I don't expect any changes until the offseason (if then?)

@justin
No reason Harden can't be at least as involved in the offense as Green was. That's my belief and I'm sticking to it!

What did KD say to Blake when Griffin was gonna go after Collison and KD internevened, sneering at Big Griff? love KDs fearlessness there, despite its uqestionable logic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMZqKTlJffA

Looks like Blake got a little higher, but he had a running start, and, he came to a complete stop in mid air. One of the top plays of the year, considering how many men tried to stop that and got posterized. Amazing, amazing block

Ok umm...I called that Ibaka on Griffin block in the pregame primer...I feel pretty good about myself.

I think it's important for the city they win the division. See something more than moral victories. And the magic number is stupid. Just look at how far behind Denver is. It's 3.5 and they have to play the Lakers. Even if they win that, we win one game and we take the division. Barring some absolutely insane collapse. Something that would actually be worth freaking out about.

Don't worry about a ting...
Every little ting gonna be alright!

I think we'll find a way to correct it in practice. Durant and the boys have a hard time getting fouls on the Left Coast. Time to get mad and take it out on Denver.
Go Division Champs!!
Go THUNDA!

Watch this link: CLASSIC Blake Griffin flop master deluxe. This is lame. I'm lost respect for the guy real quick and I think others in the league will start to as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZQ0BZBw0Y0

This was not a horrible loss, it I'd what happens when the team goes west and leaves their passion in OKC. Let's just chalk it up as a bad trip west and focus on securing home court in the first round, starting with the next game against Denver. If we don't show up in Denver we may need to panic a bit, but if we show up and play hard, no biggie.

@Thunder247
Get it already!

Sorry for the types (even more then normal) I have not yet had my morning coffee (pacific time zone).

For the first time in a month and a half I am a little scared about not winning the NW division. We really need LA to win today to take some pressure off the next two devener games. I think it would be really bad for this teams confidence to lose the NW after leading it most of the season. The scary thing is with 6 games left (8 for denver) our magic number still stands at 5. That is cutting it close, for some reason I thought we would have ramped it up this week.

Your's Truely,

Freaken out thunder fan.

Maybe LA was a perfect place for Griffin with all the actors and such out there. Maybe he's taking lessons. Ok players flop sometimes, KD does it, they all do it on occassion....but Griffin does it ALL THE TIME. It gets old and annoying really quick. Come on dude, you're solid as a house, Serge Ibaka isn't going to throw you down to the floor like a rag doll with one arm. I'd like to see Perkins give him something to flop about.

TaoMaas :
Has anyone run the numbers on how much of Harden’s production comes with the 2nd team vs the 1st team? It makes no sense to start Harden if we’re only going to give him the ball as often as we’d pass it to Thabo.

It's good to believe things.

I thought we played Blake well. I do not recall him dunking or even making an uncontested shot. The block on his normally inevitable monster dunk that no one has been able to stop, was mind blowing.

Again, we did not lose because of the officiating, despite its hackneyed ways. However, we got called for 2 charges where the defender was CLEARLY moving. Not the end of his move, but mid-slide.

And for anyone that says we're tuning out just because the team has lost a few, that's not it. It's more of the manner in which they're losing combined with the fact that these games really don't matter too much.

Has anyone run the numbers on how much of Harden's production comes with the 2nd team vs the 1st team? It makes no sense to start Harden if we're only going to give him the ball as often as we'd pass it to Thabo.

Josh :
Royce sound like he just found out his whole was a lie. As for me, I’m out until the playoffs. I found myself at a cookout today at a cookout with good food, drinks, and weather and couldn’t talk about anything but the loss to Portland. Kind of realizing I’m in too deep with this team and need to relax. At least until the playoffs.

Haha. Im contemplating a sabbatical too. These losses cut deep. I just expect so much out of these boys

Our mouths lost this game. I think that string of technicals not only gave the Clippers a few points, but it also gave them hope. Plus, it put the Thunder in even deeper foul trouble, which forced them to back off of aggressive defense. Stir in a bunch of forced, missed shots and you get a loss.

justin :
Also, Thabo’s defense on the Eric Gordon three pointer is inexplicable. He did not even have a hand up. Harden was terrific on Gordon for most of the time he was guarding him.

Yep, that was painful to watch. Durant was weak on that Foye 3 too. Both 'efforts" annoyed me immensely.