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Thursday Bolts – 3.31.11

Fast Company named the Thunder the sixth most innovative company in sports: “For proving that market size doesn’t matter. Following a nasty arena dispute between the Seattle Supersonic owners and city leaders, the franchise relocated in 2008 to Oklahoma City, the NBA’s smallest market (1.2 million people) and third smallest TV market. It ranks in the top 15 in overall attendance and is one of the most profitable small-market teams in any sport, worth an estimated $329 million, 18th in the league, according to Forbes. Kevin Durant, the NBA’s youngest scoring champ, and a core of young stars has led the fast turnaround, from having the league’s second-worst record to contending for the title.”

If you missed it, super weird moment to end the game last night. Aaron Brooks and Zabian Dowdell (former Tulsa 66er) were both ejected. Brooks, for apparently grabbing his stuff in front of Ken Mauer. Watch the video and you tell me what happened.

Matt Moore of Eye on Basketball explains it a little: “The issue stems from what referee Ken Mauer reportedly said which led to Suns reserve’s Zabian Dowdell’s initial ejection and Aaron Brooks’ subsequent removal. John Gambadoro of 620 KTAR in Phoenix reports that Ken Mauer allegedly called Dodwell a small female dog. Dowdell didn’t like that too much.”

I don’t know who this “Michael” Westbrook is, but the Thunder should play him more.

Seattle native Nate Robinson is OK with the Thunder: “It’s OK,” Robinson said. “The NBA is a business. It would have been sweet if Seattle still had a team so I could have gone home and played in front of the home crowd, but it (relocating) really wasn’t Oklahoma City’s fault. Things happen.”

Breaking down OKC’s new crunchtime play.

Rob Mahoney for The Point Forward on the rip move: “I’m not sure there’s a more irritating maneuver than the “rip-through” move that Kevin Durant has practically claimed as his own. NBA fans may despise the seemingly arbitrary block/charge distinction or a number of other rules, but the fact that the league hasn’t cracked down on these kinds of plays — and actually defends them — strikes me as a tad ridiculous. How this isn’t the definition of the offensive player creating contact is beyond me, but referees apparently still deem the play as some kind of defensive infraction. Regardless, Durant is right: As a player looking to win, he should keep drawing fouls this way until the league changes its interpretation of the play. An even more troubling aspect of the rip move: Referee anticipation is leading to some quick — and false — whistles when in fact no contact is made at all.”

John Krolik of PBT: “The rip move, however, is an offensive player creating contact with a stationary defender that put himself in what is perhaps a bad position. Maybe that’s a small distinction, but it seems to me that it’s what makes the “rip” move just a little bit different than the rule exploits we’re already familiar with. Still, one thing is for certain: Durant is going to use that rip move, and use it well, until the refs stop calling it, so defenders should be careful where they put their arms while guarding Durant.”

Michael Pina of Shaky Ankles: “Because Durant is so talented—watching him flail his arms like some sort of secret handshake between him and the official, then being rewarded with one or two or three free-throws—is what makes this move so frustrating. Maybe it’s greed talking. The greed of a ravenous basketball fan who enjoys watching elite scorers creatively sidestep the most complex defensive strategies in the known basketball universe. I want to see as much of that as possible, and the rip move steals precious possessions from right under my nose. The play should either be illegal or paid much less attention to by the referees.”

Tom Haberstroh looking at holes in playoff teams: “By trading for Kendrick Perkins and Nazr Mohammed at the deadline, the Thunder filled a hole and made it a mountain. Looking at the depth chart, the only position that could be considered a soft spot is the 2-guard. But then we note that super-sub James Harden has averaged 16.6 points per game in March. As one exec relayed to me earlier this season, if the Thunder could swing a deal for a point guard good enough (Steve Nash?) to slide Russell Westbrook to the 2, watch out, NBA. Size of hole: Overstated.” Move Westbrook to the 2? Yeah, I don’t get that.

OKC’s magic number for the division is at four.

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cdub00 :@DJ
R7
What – are you Justin’s OTHER boyfreind? haha. See above. I was just messin’ with him. And for your info, I am 29. I am not one of those “every young person has no respect” types..I just know bullshit when I see it and I call it like I see it. Please don’t think I am vying for your or anybody else’s affection. I am also not “trying to sound smart”. I have taken many advanced stat courses and am an accountant by trade, so I am VERY familiar with quantitative analysis and am also well-rounded enough to know that numbers don’t always tell the whole story, as is the case with Sef and J Hard. At the end of the day, I am just a Thunder fan that really appreciates a good debate. I may seem confrontational, but that is certainly not my intent. Take a chill pill will ya?

will do i guess, w/e like you said Thunder Up!

Once he inks his big contract than we might start worrying about his age. It's worth talking about although the team that signs him to his 3rd contract should be the one to worry the most.

SI is a Thunder player thats all i really care about.

Where did this Ibaka age thing come from? Who the F cares? Why can't we just discuss how well the team is playing? I usually really enjoy this board but it sure does seem like some here aren't happy unless they are making negative comments.

@andrew

I mentioned Olimude Oyedeji before. He was a Nigerian player drafted by the Sonics. Two years after he played for them, there was a report by someone on a basketball list I subscribed to that Oyedeji was two to three years older than his listed age. He was out of the NBA by that time, though.

It's very difficult to 'establish' that the players are older than they claimed for the same reason it's easy to falsify in the first place.

@justin
Has there ever been an NBA player from Africa for whom it was established that they were older than claimed?

Even if he is actually older, I doubt we will ever find out...

Just follow this link and peruse some of the articles, and try not to be at least a little bit skeptical: http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&s...

@DJ R7

What - are you Justin's OTHER boyfreind? haha. See above. I was just messin' with him. And for your info, I am 29. I am not one of those "every young person has no respect" types..I just know bullshit when I see it and I call it like I see it. Please don't think I am vying for your or anybody else's affection. I am also not "trying to sound smart". I have taken many advanced stat courses and am an accountant by trade, so I am VERY familiar with quantitative analysis and am also well-rounded enough to know that numbers don't always tell the whole story, as is the case with Sef and J Hard. At the end of the day, I am just a Thunder fan that really appreciates a good debate. I may seem confrontational, but that is certainly not my intent. Take a chill pill will ya? :)

well i remember there being a discussion about Yi Jullians age.

cdub00 :Anybody plannin’ on internet camping on april 14th for those tix? I know I will be!

im down!!1

gr8ball83 :@DJ R7Lebron was born in a poor socio-economic area, what makes you think he’s not 31?

lol +1, well im from OKC and i look like im in my late 20's but am only 18

cdub00 :

justin :
andrew :Regarding the Serge thing, I think its necessary to see a shred of evidence before questioning someones age. You’re basically accusing Serge of flat out lying with no other evidence than his place of birth.

He might not even know what year he was born, with seventeen siblings in war torn central Africa, do you think they could afford candles to put on his birthday cake?

So this means he is lying? Am i missing something? Where is your linear regression on that? lol

can i ask you a question? well ima ask it anyways, whats with you dude. You always gotta go at people. Why? it doesn't make you seem smart, or get respect. You may bust out this stuff about "im a man, im 40, i don't your respect", but come on, if you can't even be liked in the Internet, then i can't imagine real life.

@DJ R7
Lebron was born in a poor socio-economic area, what makes you think he's not 31?

Crow :I’m not that interest in or concerned about Ibaka’s age.
Perhaps his Spanish passport application or the passport itself will shed new information. Or not. I thought I heard he scrambled and got a birth certificate for that. But there have been sibling certificate switching in some questioned age sport cases and also the process may not be airtight so not everyone may be convinced anyways.
I wondered if there were physical tests that could be done. I found out that there are, but the accuracy is not that precise. + or – at least several years.
As long as Ibaka is within 2 years of his stated age I am not concerned and I think he is.

what if he's actually younger than 21, you know there are Man-Childs out there. Lebron was one.

Serge's actual age -- weirdest discussion ever?

@justin
He is actually only 19 years old.

@justin

Who cares...dude is really good!

Anybody plannin' on internet camping on april 14th for those tix? I know I will be! :)

gr8ball83 :@justini love it, its naive to believe someone born in a different country is born on the day they say they were born

Age cheating is so widely prevalent in African basketball leagues, and birth records for someone born into Ibaka's situation would be sketchy at any rate. The confluence of cirtumstances would lead me to believe that Ibaka's birthday is most likely ballparked.

@justin
i love it, its naive to believe someone born in a different country is born on the day they say they were born :)

@justin

Naive to believe that he was born on that date. Double negatives!

I think it's a legitimate curiousity. I'd be genuinely intersted in Ibaka's real age; it might be a negligible difference. It probably is. But you never know. I think it's naive to believe that he was not born on Septermber 18th 1989.

It's a non-issue if he continues to develop at this rate.

On a serious note though, the way we pulled PHX's collective hearts out and ate them right in front of them to basically crush any hope they had of making the playoffs, on the road, was rather impressive to me. Our team is really playing well right now. The best winning percentage of any month in franchise history and we are still "developing"? I'll take it!! :)

@andrew

@cdub00
good grief, seriously? you think he's being serious?

justin :

andrew :Regarding the Serge thing, I think its necessary to see a shred of evidence before questioning someones age. You’re basically accusing Serge of flat out lying with no other evidence than his place of birth.

He might not even know what year he was born, with seventeen siblings in war torn central Africa, do you think they could afford candles to put on his birthday cake?

So this means he is lying? Am i missing something? Where is your linear regression on that? lol

@justin
I can't tell if your being serious anymore. At any rate, Serge's age is a non-issue. In Presti I trust.

@Daniel Plainview

Haha. You can't even talk crap right...

andrew :Regarding the Serge thing, I think its necessary to see a shred of evidence before questioning someones age. You’re basically accusing Serge of flat out lying with no other evidence than his place of birth.

He might not even know what year he was born, with seventeen siblings in war torn central Africa, do you think they could afford candles to put on his birthday cake?

The Thunder players (young and not) deserve a lot of credit for the general way they finish games.

@anonymous
im not that old, only 27, so my childhood is still somewhat fresh,lol. but yeah he wouldnt be hard to do that way

I get the pain of Seattle fans, I was born and raised there. There is one thing that all sport cities have though, dickheads.

@f5alcon
He wouldn't have to lie. Think about it, how often to memories from your childhood run together? If we're talking just a couple of years, (I dont think its more than that, its not like he looks like Greg Oden), then he can easily believe he's a year or two younger than his actual age. And on another note, the fact that he has 15 older siblings probably helps narrow down his age to a small variance

Serge's parents played Basketball for the congo's national team

@andrew
I could understand if he came from some village in the middle of the plains or jungle or whatever but weren't his parents pretty well known in the country? Seems like a family like his wouldn't be fudging ages of their kids?

he would have to lie a lot, it isnt like there wouldnt be memories for him of the years that he supposedly didnt have

Regarding the Serge thing, I think its necessary to see a shred of evidence before questioning someones age. You're basically accusing Serge of flat out lying with no other evidence than his place of birth.

cdub00 :

Daniel Plainview :@anonymous I think Justin is curious, but his remark was in jest

What, are you his boyfreind or something? haha

Are you OKS Babys lil brother?

I'm not that interest in or concerned about Ibaka's age.

Perhaps his Spanish passport application or the passport itself will shed new information. Or not. I thought I heard he scrambled and got a birth certificate for that. But there have been sibling certificate switching in some questioned age sport cases and also the process may not be airtight so not everyone may be convinced anyways.

I wondered if there were physical tests that could be done. I found out that there are, but the accuracy is not that precise. + or - at least several years.

As long as Ibaka is within 2 years of his stated age I am not concerned and I think he is.

Yup, we used to call him Clyde "Braniff" Jones cuz of that little airplane move he did after dunks.

"Air Congo" my azz.

Daniel Plainview :@anonymous I think Justin is curious, but his remark was in jest

What, are you his boyfreind or something? haha

Didn't Michael Westbrook play wide receiver for Colorado Buffalos and then the Washington Native American Slurs?

gr8ball83 :I really don’t get the uproar of the rip move. How its any different than jumping in to an airborne defender is beyond me. If they take out the rip move they better start calling fouls for bear-hugging, because if the defender is allowed to grab and hold all game, there’s no way to get a shot off.

That was basically the NBA of the 90's (except for Jordan who was not allowed to be touched), the NBA that nearly died.

@anonymous
I think Justin is curious, but his remark was in jest

"The greed of a ravenous basketball fan who enjoys watching elite scorers creatively sidestep the most complex defensive strategies in the known basketball universe. I want to see as much of that as possible"

?????????????????

The "rip move" IS that. If Durant doesn't use the rip move, defenders would have no reason to keep their hands out of Durant's space. By making the defenders use less effective methods, Durant is "creatively sidestepping the most complex defensive strategies in the known basketball universe."

@erics

IOP, Schultz is the man to blame. He absolutly knew that when he sold the team to a group of owners from OKC who by the way just sold out about every game for the hornets the previous two years, would take that team back to OKC. Do I agree with the way Clay handled the situation with a $500 million proposal? NO. But the writing was on the wall when Schultz was looking to sell the team and saw the OKC group willing to pay more than what the franchise was worth at the time. He wanted the money and didn't really care about the team leaving. That was pretty obvious. Hell, I knew we'd get the team when he sold it to Clay. Just my thoughts. I do hope Seattle gets a team. It would be a great rival.

@justin

'truth coming out' implies that there is currently a lie in place. Whether or not Serge is 21 is probably unverifiable because of the lack of birth records. I'm sure Serge believes he's 21.

Hey anyone else notice Wright bear hugging KD right in front of the ref??? He has Durants arms pinned to his sides. In fact the article has a big red box around it, but doesn't say anything about it, it is even more blatant in the video...just sayin.
http://nbaplaybook.com/2011/03/30/oklahoma-citys-n...

Interesting block from Hollinger about Rose and Westbrook

"In Rose's case, it's pretty apparent that you could replace him with Russell Westbrook and suffer virtually no drop-off. They both use an equally large chunk of their team's possessions, and use them almost exactly the same way in terms of shot-pass decisions and spots on the floor. Rose shoots more jumpers and Westbrook takes more free throws, but by and large you'd get the same results."

You know, I've been to some hill tribe villages in northern Thailand that do not record their birthdates (not important to them), and don't name their children until they are old enough to respond to them. When on of the tribesman applied for a Thai passport, the only thing listed as his birthday was the year (and even that was guesstimated)