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Durant plays and leads the Thunder over the Hawks, 111-104

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It didn’t take long for Kevin Durant to show that he was feeling good against the Hawks Friday. He dropped his first shot — a smooth standstill jumper over Marvin Williams — hit back-to-back 3s and by the end of the third, had 25 points on 10-15 shooting.

But that’s when he turned things over to Russell Westbrook. Westbrook scored nine of his 28 in the final frame, leading the Thunder to a nice road win over the Hawks, 111-104.

The Thunder held a good six to 10-point lead for the majority of the second half, but the Hawks whittled it down to two, 102-100, with a little over a minute remaining. OKC needed a basket badly and in a very Westbrook-like manner, Russ didn’t even think as he caught a pass on the wing and fired from deep. He swished the 3, basically icing the win for the Thunder. That’s the thing about Westbrook — he didn’t think about it. And that’s why you trust him in those situations.

There was a certain level of anxiety post-trade for Thunder fans as OKC started out 0-2 in the wake of the emotional trade. But these past two outings have certainly showed the Thunder are just fine. They’re back to scoring the ball well and are playing pretty solid defense to go with it. A large part of that again — on both ends — has been James Harden who sparked a big second quarter for OKC scoring 13 in the period.

I honestly don’t think the Thunder’s doing a whole lot differently, but they are definitely picking up a little bit of comfort in their new skin. They’re understanding who fits where and you can just tell how much stronger they are inside. Nazr Mohammed and Serge Ibaka didn’t do anything incredible tonight — 14 points, 11 rebounds between them — but they sealed off the inside and held Al Horford to just 15 points. A big part of that was Nick Collison’s outstanding effort off the bench, but as a whole, I think it’s becoming more and more clear that the Thunder’s just better right now.

And this is even before the linchpin of the trade plays!

This was a game where it really felt like the Thunder was the superior team throughout. The Hawks have enough offensive talent in Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford and Horford to always stay tight, but without Josh Smith, OKC kind of seemed dominant. I don’t think it was the case, but really, other than the Hawks getting it to two with a minute left, I never felt much worry about the outcome.

NOTES:

  • Kind of an odd game in the sense that there were barely any free throws through. Halfway through the fourth, OKC had taken only seven. That picked up as the game got more physical late as OKC finished 20-21 from the line and Atlanta 20-25, but for a large portion of the game, there just weren’t any free points.
  • You can’t understate how awesome KD was in this game. He dropped 29 on 10-18 shooting, plus grabbed eight rebounds in 39 huge minutes. And this was just two days after horribly rolling his ankle. That’s big-time stuff right there.
  • Harden is replacing Jeff Green’s scoring, but doing it more efficiently, in fewer minutes and from a proper position. Harden is a bit like Green in that he seems to score in spurts but fit in with the rest of the offense at other times. Like tonight, Harden scored 13 in the second quarter but finished with 17 for the game. That’s exactly what the Thunder needs though.
  • It really sounded like a lot of Thunder fans were in the building. That may be because there weren’t a lot of Hawks fans there though.
  • OKC is now 16-6 against the East.
  • It really looks to me like Thabo is getting his defensive chops back. He defended Joe Johnson extremely well, forcing Johnson into an 11-24 shooting night (0-5 from 3) and just looked like his old self.
  • I was a little worried about Westbrook’s safety since the Hawks probably hadn’t forgotten about his late triple-double in the last meeting. But nothing happened.
  • Big stat: OKC 10 turnovers, Atlanta 16. Westbrook only had two, one coming on a charge.
  • Westbrook was hit with another technical, this time for yelling “And 1!!!!” Westbrook’s face was total shock after he was whistled, saying to the ref, “I can’t scream ‘And 1?’” Evidently not. Though Russ did yell it with a bit of extra emphasis, I will say.
  • Hey, did you know Kirk Hinrich and Nick Collison knew each other previously to this game? If you watched tonight’s broadcast, you definitely would’ve heard that 15 or 16 times.
  • Harden took 16 shots tonight. That’s what I’m talking about!
  • Brian Davis line of the night: “They give it to [Etan] Thomas who’s got the hot hand.”

Next up: The Suns at home Sunday.

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Good to hear your agreement on this point.

Thanks for the compliment and reading / considering my posts and of course others.

Crow :Durant at PF 5-10 minutes per game in the regular season is one thing. In the playoffs it might not be as wise or as successful. But we’ll see and experiments are part of the journey with opportunities to adjust based on results.

I agree (as always) with you. Hopefully it is just experimenting and it gets settled prior to the playoffs.

DJ White fairly close to a double-double for the second game in a row. A little light on the rebounds. He had one officially in the brief late run of his rookie season.

Durant at PF 5-10 minutes per game in the regular season is one thing. In the playoffs it might not be as wise or as successful. But we'll see and experiments are part of the journey with opportunities to adjust based on results.

Compared to last season the only notable improvement KD has put in the boxscore is more 3 pt attempts.

Harden at SF has been good. I recall some dismissals of my highlighting that in the past. Last 2 games they went to it 10-15 minutes per game. And they more likely than not, it appears at the moment, will stay that way this season.

And they have. Westbrook at 31 minutes per game over the last 10.

If the only effective way to do it is by limiting his minutes, do it.

Since 2000-1 only 4 PGs have had a higher season Usage % than Westbrook- Iverson a lot, Arenas twice, Rose once and Parker once. No titles won in those years. (Wade would change that but I counted him at SG.)

The assists part is of course great but on the field goal shots Westbrook has the lowest eFG% within the main rotation. Some of that is leadership taking tough shots but the ball dominance is really high. I'd prefer it come down a notch, two or three.

steve.thunderfan :@justin

Agreed. We need a Center in at all times (or as close to it as possible). I don’t mind KD/Nick at C/PF for a little bit, but its just SO SMALL.. It feels like a huge desadvantage. Can anyone tell me why we haven’t seen much of the Nick/Cole frontcourt? They seemed like they really had good chemistry on D..

i asked my self that question all the time. Coles developed so much now though he actually plays quality minutes now. Yesturday he was punished for a blown cover but that makes sense you got to punish a player evernow and then but i think the punishment was to hard(i think he only got to play 2 minutes.) Naz is working good for us because hes a true center but Cole fits the team better.

stickman :I want to see more slam dunks by the thunder. That PnR I think it was with KD and Ibaka Awesome. More of that please.

Yes please.

Strange:

Thabo has played PF for 39.79 minutes this year. In thouse minutes he is an unadjusted -11 in +/-. I thought it would be way worse.

I want to see more slam dunks by the thunder. That PnR I think it was with KD and Ibaka Awesome. More of that please.

That line up is awsomely bad, it has a defensive rating of 140 (which is the worst of any line up with at least 11 minutes) and a below average offensive line up of 103. Wow.

lol, the one line up that I like for small ball that has seen time (Maynor, Harden, Cook, KD, Collison) is really bad, like -37 in 14 minutes bad. I just need to beleive in Brooks, because I obviously don't have a clue what I am talking about. Thunder up. lol

Out of the 196.37 minutes played this year in which KD is at the 4 (and Jeff Green is not in), the line ups you said above that would be acceptable played 14.22 minutes or approximately 7.2% of the time. Now I realize that the before the trade the line up you proposed with Mohammid was not possible but in all the small ball situation that we have had since Mohammid has started to play, that line up has yet to come up. Thabo has played in 118.66 minutes of small ball (KD at the 4) this year (which actually supprised me it was not more) or about 60% of the time. Again I don't know how to get the data for just since the trade, but I have a feeling that since Harden and Cook have been getting more minutes we have been using small ball more and Thabo has been in it more. Again I can't prove that and would welcome anyone to take a stab at it.

@Thunder247

OK just making sure, because 82games is out of date.

@Thunder247

Where are you getting this lineup data from?

"Last night we had the four guard lineup with Collison and that was really dumb. That’s the kind of small ball that shouldn’t be on the court, ever."

Man, I couldn't agree more. That lineup couldn't keep them from scoring inside and it was driving me crazy. What was the thinking on that? We aren't going to see that when Perkins is ready are we?

@justin
Agreed. We need a Center in at all times (or as close to it as possible). I don't mind KD/Nick at C/PF for a little bit, but its just SO SMALL.. It feels like a huge desadvantage. Can anyone tell me why we haven't seen much of the Nick/Cole frontcourt? They seemed like they really had good chemistry on D..

Ok, sample size is small but there are almost no minutes when Durant plays at PF, Thabo does not play and there is a true center in. Most of the small ball minutes have Thabo. I don't know how to see what it has been since the trade but I rember thinking that Thabo has been almost always in the small ball situaitons.

@justin
Ok, sorry board, one last thing. I am just seeing what line ups you put in and I total agree about thouse line up. I would not mind at all if we played small ball with either of thouse line ups. The issue is that they have never been played. When we are in small ball we almost always have Thabo in. Thabo does not strech the floor and thus we should have a big in for him to set screens. (I will check the number of minutes played with Durant at PF and Thabo is not in).

@justin
Agreed. It should be used situationally. I will quit hammering on this.

@steve.thunderfan
I honestly have quit trying to figure out what brooks thinks since about midway through this year. Not starting Ibaka or at least giving him 30-36 minutes is a crime against humanity. Same with James. The only thing I can think of is that Brooks has always had a three playing at the four. When he was with Denver they used Melo like that alot. When he came here the first thing he did was move Green there. Maybe all of his systems are designed around a natural three playing at the four. That would suck.

@Thunder247

The reason is to generate offense and spread the floor. I have no problem at all with a Mohammed-Durant-Harden-Cook-Maynor second unit for stretches against certain teams. Or even Collison-Durant-Harden-Cook-Maynor now; it all depends on matchups. There will be situations where this team can't generate offense, because they do not get much of it from the PF/C positions. Those are times where I think they will benefit from playing KD at the four with the second unit.

Brooks' problem is that he goes way overboard, and often plays these small lineups at inopportune times. There's a place for Durant at PF. I have no problem with that, conceptually. Just has to be used correctly.

@Thunder247

Brooks obviously feels more confident with smallball than he does with putting Aldrich in. I don't really see why, because I've enjoyed watchind Cole play, but that must bethe reason right? He must realize what we give up. It seems to me that no matter how small we go,m we still wind upp taking the same jump shots every possession. I would think we'd want some big bodies in to grab the offensive boards like Nazr was..

@justin
By dominate, I don't mean scoring. I am one that does not really care about scoring bigs. Instead I mean setting nasty screens, getting offensive rebounds, dunking dump off passes and gobbling up every single defensive rebound. That is domination. Use your size to control the paint and control the game.

But, fair enough Justin, maybe I just need to wait until Perkins gets out there. I guess my biggest fear is that we will contiune to see small ball when perkins gets in. In essance this means less time for the bigs and more time for Thabo.

Thabo = Jeff Green = Earl Watson = Scapegoat for everything wrong in the world.

@justin
I get it that the rebounding battle was even. They started Jason Collins, which means that we should have dominated it. I just don't see an offensive or defensive reason to play Durant or Ibaka out of position unless it is made necessary in game. Ibaka is such a better defender and rebounder when playing next to a real center that I never want to see him at center again. I also really like Collison at the PF which is something that I have not see in a long time. We have two other real centers on the roster.

Also, Durant does not have a natural back up at the three. Thabo can play there because he is a great defensive rebounder but that is really all he brings. It just means that there are more people in the paint to stop drives, which leads to the Durant Iso.....

Wow, thats exactly how I describe Westbrook. He is an assassin. He doesn't take pressure into account. He just delivers. Hits big shots and has absolutely no fear. Great post Royce. Keep up the good work. Love your blog.

@justin

Whoa. Mountain out of a mole hill. Dunno what I was typing there.

@Thunder247

Dominate what? Our bigs aren't scorers. Maybe when Perkins comes back this idea has merit, but if you're evaluating bigs on PER, how can you justify keeping Aldrich in the game? I thinking you're making a mole out of an ant hill. Yeah, the small ball was stupid with the four guards and Nick Collison. But Durant at PF is fine against the Hawks in some situations, especially with how small they were going. Aldrich and his 7.0 PER notwithstanding. :)

To make my point even more clear about "pounding" teams in the paint that don't have the depth, the Hawks started Jason Collins and he played sigificant minutes (20). This guy is a terrible NBA player with a carrer per of 7.3 and a per of 5.5 this season (NBA average player is 15). He has been constantly the guy at the end of the bench for his entire carrer and we should have played two bigs to dominate every minute that he was in.

@justin
Agreed. Cole played 10 min before without taking away from Nazrs time already, right?

@Thunder247

It depends on the defense. If we're playing the Lakers, we should have big guys to screen Artest off Durant. If we're playing the Hawks, I don't think that matters nearly as much.

This guy is out of his mind wanting Aldrich, a guy who spent most of the season in the D league; to play in front of Nazr, a 10 year vet who started most of the year in the NBA. WOW!!

@Thunder247

The rebounding battle was more or less equal against the Hawks. +/- 1 offensive rebound isn't the end of the world.

The Lakers have much better big guys than we do, it's a completely different situation. They have two skilled post -scorers-, we have none. They also have a power forward who plays like a wing.

With the bigs that we have, there are certain situations where it's fine to play Kevin Durant at PF. You do marginalize Serge Ibaka's role, since he should not be playing center with Durant at PF, but I would have had no problem against the Lakers keeping Durant at PF (when Odom is in) and having a center like Nazr or later on Perkins in to guard Gasol and set screens on offense.

Since none of our big guys are scorers, it's not an affront to me for Durant to play PF for some minutes. When Perkins is available I expect a bit less of that.

justin :@Thunder247
I don’t think Aldrich is better at center than Durant is at power forward, unconditionally. Durant can play effective PF against a bunch of matchups, as long as there is a center in there with him.

I was taking into account the opprotunity cost of Durant playing at SF and having bigs to set screens for him. Durant, as much as I love him, is not a great Iso player, especially against bigger players that have help on the drive. He ends up taking a contested long 2 or turns it over when he drives into the the help D. He needs to play much more like Reggie Miller then Lebron IMO.

@justin
Last night we ended up losing the rebounding battle and IMO it was offensive rebounding and second chance points that allowed them to stay close. We finally have a team (with or without Perkins) that should dominate other teams on the inside. We should be getting a ton of offensive rebounds and just destroying some teams on the d glass. I know that we are not nearly as good as the lakers on the inside so don't take this next sentence to mean that is what I think. But the lakers do not go small to adjust to a team that does not have the lenght and depth to deal with them. They pound them. I am a long time sonic fan and for the first time since I can remember I fell like we have the advantage in the paint and we are choosing not to use it. I hate the small ball (except situationally, aka end quarters).

@Thunder247

I don't think Aldrich is better at center than Durant is at power forward, unconditionally. Durant can play effective PF against a bunch of matchups, as long as there is a center in there with him.

I'm not suggesting Cole shouldn't play, but he shouldn't be getting minutes at the expense of Nazr Mohammed. I don't mind KD at the four against certain teams, the Hawks being one of them, so long as we have a big guy at the five (Nazr, Perkins, MAYBE Collison).

Last night we had the four guard lineup with Collison and that was really dumb. That's the kind of small ball that shouldn't be on the court, ever.

Greg :I don’t mind Durant at the 4 when Nazr or or Perk is at C, but not with Ibaka playing C.

The biggest problem with Durant at the four is not on the defensive end which is where you expect it to be. Durant has mostly guarded "strech" fours lately and has done a decent job defending and rebounding. Now I think that having two true bigs plus Druant at the three we could destroy most teams on the board but that is beside the point. The real issue with Durant at the four is that there is a bigger guy guarding him and we don't have enough screeners (or we don't use them) to get durant an open look. So we end up Iso most of the time which means durant has to shoot over a biger guy that can actually contest his shot. I think durant at the four kills the offense and it is because setting good screens helps free players to get good looks and Durant is one of the worst screen setting PF in the league (plus there is no one to set a screen for him).

I loved the game and normally wouldn't complain after a win but I did get pretty annoyed in the 5 minutes or so before the half. KD just sank his back to back threes and looked to be on fire, then didn't get a look for quite some time (maybe the whole rest of the half, or maybe he took one more shot at the end).

In fact, as I remember it, after KD's back to back 3's, Russ missed shots on three straight possessions. Maybe KD was being guarded by someone else and passing to him wouldn't have been a good idea but he was looking awesome. Russ can really be a ball hog sometimes.

I don't mind Durant at the 4 when Nazr or or Perk is at C, but not with Ibaka playing C.

justin :@TaoMaas
No way. This team is too good to be playing inferior players for development reasons. Cole can learn plenty in practice and he’ll have an opportunity next season.

You dont think we can put him in for ten minutes a game while Perk is out without losing much? I think we should get him that time while we can heading into the playoffs because, when the playoffs come, and if Nazr or Perk gets hurt, throwing him in there cold would be a greater mistake. And it seems like right now the alternative is small ball, which I know you loathe.

Justin (in regards to a later comment you make)I agree with you that Nazr is better than Cole right now, but I think we all would benefit from minutes while Perk is out.

justin :@TaoMaas
Nazr is much better than Aldrich…

Today, Nazr is a much, much better player then Aldrich, however, Aldrich is a much, much better center then Durant or Thabo are PF and Aldrich is probably about equal of a center as Ibaka considering the oprotunity cost of not playing him at PF. That is why Aldrich should get some run, so that we have two bigs on the floor always.

"Out of shooting guards who play more then 15 minutes a game I bet that is the lowest." - True, the next is Keith Bogans @ 10.5%.

"Out of all starters (at any position and have started at least 30 games) I bet that (his) is the lowest." - False, Ben Wallace is at 8.0 and has started 46 games. That is awsome because I think Ben is the only offensive player in the league that gets about as much attention as Thabo does. lol

@Thunder247

Thabo's USG is historically low, for a wing player. http://bkref.com/tiny/EH2AK

@Thunder247
Not to mention the majority of Thabos shots are inside 2 feet, and anything outside of that is a wide-open 3-pointer.

@TaoMaas
What about the experience of being in the league for over a decade, winning an NBA title? Those don't count for anything?