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The Thunder defense may be meh, but the offense is terrific

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With this season’s edition of the Thunder, we all can’t stop talking about one thing. It’s the one thing that keeps us all from feeling like this team is truly a contender.

Deee-fense. Clap clap.

It’s been mediocre all season and downright awful in stretches. With what the team did last season defensively, watching them give up 60 points in a half, allow 46 percent shooting nightly and nearly 40 percent from 3, it’s easy to be frustrated. Something is missing defensively. Whether it’s Ron Adams or just an overall commitment to that end by the players, there’s been a big step taken backward.

But the same thing keeps getting repeated. Despite that, the team is 33-17. The team is still first in the Northwest and fourth in the West. The team is winning. It’s almost like nobody understands how. Without great defense, how are these guys doing it? IT MAKES NO SENSE.

Offense. Scary excellent offense.

Consider this: Since Dec. 1, the Thunder have the league’s best offense in terms of efficiency. Overall, the Thunder’s scoring 110.8 points per 100 possessions, good for fifth overall in the league. If you want a traditional measure, Oklahoma City is averaging 104.6 points per game, also fifth in the league.

For whatever reason, all of this seems to be overlooked while people (myself included) continue to harp on the average defense. Maybe it’s a muscle memory thing where we all remember how this team won last season and we got used to it. Now that they’re winning by playing a quarter and a half of defense while lighting up the scoreboard, we’re unconformable with that. Maybe it’s because everyone thinks that defense wins championships. Maybe it’s because the team itself, most specifically Scott Brooks, never stops talking about it.

But give credit where it’s due. And Oklahoma City’s offense is due some credit.

Basically what it is, is that the Thunder has two top 10 offensive players on the roster. Between Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook, there’s always an option to score. Whether it’s hitting a tough jumper, driving and finishing at the rim or getting to the line, even through a bad, busted offensive set, OKC has options.

There are some good schemes though. The Thunder’s quietly developing a pretty solid pick-and-roll with Russell Westbrook keying it. Jerry Sloan said of OKC’s pick-and-roll game, “We couldn’t handle it. We weren’t able to handle any of it. They killed us with that.”

Zach Lowe of SI pointed out one of my favorite offensive sets OKC runs today, but what makes it so darn good is that Westbrook can zip through the lane and finish. Most point guards don’t have that ability. Add in three or four go-to sets and you’ve got a legitimate tough to defend offense.

Basically what it is, is that the Thunder has two top 10 offensive players on the roster. Between Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook, there's always an option to score. Whether it's hitting a tough jumper, driving and finishing at the rim or getting to the line, even through a bad, busted offensive set, OKC has options.

OKC loves to run Durant baseline and let him set up his man off a screener then let Westbrook pick a place to go. Sometimes it’s Durant curling, sometimes it’s a backdoor cut and sometimes the defense overhelps and Jeff Green or Serge Ibaka peels off for an easy layup. Again, how is this so effective? Because of the options. Defenses are keying on Durant as he runs off three or four screens to get open. All eyes are there. Westbrook had gotten really good at sensing when that first look is shut down and either creating improvisationally or by deferring to a next look.

It’s not because of just wonderful execution or terrific schemes though. It’s because the Thunder gets to the line at a high rate (30.3 free throw attempts per game, second overall) and makes them (25.1 makes per game, first overall). The Thunder’s shooting 46 percent from the field as a team on the season (14th overall) and ranks 26th in 3-point percentage. So don’t get confused here and think the Thunder has an offensive system that’s just incredible.

So where is OKC scoring from? The Thunder is 10th in shot attempts at the rim according to HoopData but sixth in makes per game at the tin. OKC does a good job refraining from long 2s for the most part, other than Durant. From 16-23 feet, OKC attempts 21 shots a game, 14th in the league (they make around eight a game, 13th). Other than at the rim, OKC does most its damage from 10-15 feet, taking 8.2 shots a game (seventh in the league) while making 3.3 (sixth). And again, 3-pointers aren’t really in the Thunder’s arsenal, so it comes down to free throws, scoring in the paint and knocking down long 2-pointers. In terms of true shooting percentage, the Thunder is 10th at 55.5 (free throws help a ton there).

I think one reason a lot don’t see the Thunder offense as being that great is because the team averages just 20.3 assists per game (23rd in the league) and is 26th in percentage of field goals assisted (54.3 percent). There’s just not a ton of ball movement and cutting going on within the Thunder offense. It’s not necessarily one-on-one isolation stuff either, but OKC has talented enough offensive weapons to create good looks without a pass. Westbrook and Durant again being two of the best in the league.

Thing is, does it really matter a whole lot why the Thunder’s offense is so good right now? In most ways no, because the point of the game is to put the ball in the basket a whole lot and it doesn’t matter how you do it, but in other ways yes, because of the simplicity of the Thunder offense, I fear come playoff time it won’t be a system difficult to zero in on. Relying on free throws isn’t always a good thing when you go to Los Angeles and the game is only played with referees on one end.

Most agree offense is sexy, but defense is what ultimately wins when it matters. But it’s not like this Thunder team is a new version of the Suns or Warriors. It’s not about speed or points, it’s about efficiency. And OKC’s offense is efficient. Plus, these guys do in fact defend. They just don’t do it for 48 minutes.

The Thunder might not be where they were defensively last season, but they are a much improved offensive team (finished 12th in offensive efficiency last season at 108.3) and have steadily improved on that end starting around January of last year. The Thunder offense at times is pretty elementary. It’s kind of simple. It’s get the ball to Kevin and Russ and move out of the way for the most part. But it’s working and working really, really well. Scott Brooks understands where his bread is buttered and generally does a really nice job of making sure everything is where it needs to be.

At some point, the Thunder will start putting together all of this on both ends. And when they do, that’s when we’ll know what they’re truly capable of.

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@innocent bystander
so what are you trying to say, that Aldridge is better than Rose based on one game? lol

59% TS is KD territory. He got destroyed by Miller and didn't do much playmaking but it was a great scoring game for Rose.

I don't think he's as good as the top tier players, and Chicago's defense has carried them to their record.

Also, as rock solid as some media like Simmons and Bucher are behind the Derrick Rose MVP candidacy I really think he will win it. I tweeted Bucher that he should take a break from servicing D-Rose's manhood and he DM'ed me back:

RicBucher
he's my MVP right now but that could change. i write what i do because he takes criticism that isn't justified by reality

So apparently, widespread "incorrect" criticism makes you an MVP candidate...

@justin
But "very efficient" only means average when compared to what other MVP candidates like KD, Lebron, CP3, or Howard put up on a regular basis.

I want NOH and UTA to lose to Chicago at home, but I also want Chicago to lose to take some wind out of Rose's sail.

Rose's TS% in that game was 59%, so he was very efficient scoring wise.

innocent bystander :
Well, let’s look at Derrick’s number in the Portland game.
36 points — ok, that impressive, very impressive.
But wait, that’s from 27 shot attempts in 38 game minutes. Not very high efficiency there.
In fact, he was 14-27 on attempts, good but not great.
7 of 8 from the free throw line. Very good.
A total of one whole rebound (ok, not Rose’s forte)
6 assists to 4 turnovers. Nothing impressive there. Especially for an elite PG.
Oh, and one more thing. He didn’t lead his team to a victory. They lost.
Those numbers are good, but they don’t look like an MVP performance to me. They just suggest that too much of Chicago’s offense has to run through Derrick. Poor guy is going to be beat to a pulp by the time the playoffs come around.

He put up a classic Monta Ellis line.

Rose is a little overrated. Top 5 player not #1

@innocent bystander
Rose had a nice scoring game but he was totally dominated by Andre Miller on the other end. Miller had 27-6-11-4 steals on just eleven shots. And LMA was by far the best player in the game. The Bulls are struggling on the road.

Hollinger just tweeted this:@blazerbanter
Batum, on Derrick Rose: "He's a great offensive player...he can't play defense."

Can't stand the Bucher/etc. hype around Rose. He may not be a team-crippling defender but he isn't good either. A relatively-inefficient perimeter player like Rose has to be a plus defender to win MVP, so some of the media's trying to make it happen.

but incidentally, in that same Chicago-Portland game, look at LeMarcus Aldridge's numbers:

42 points (outstanding) (in 44 game mins -- he played a lot)
15 of 23 on shot attempts (excellent)
12 out of 14 free throws (excellent)
8 rebounds, 2 blocks, only 1 assist (not his forte)

No wonder Portland fans feel LA was snubbed for the All Stars.

okc baby :
He did have a pretty good game. Hes not Lebron good. But I hope Lebron doesnt win it:)

yeah, he had a really good game. It was a strong performance from a great player. But MVP level?

If he had made those 36 points with a few less shot attempts and dished out a few more assists and (most importantly of all) led his team to a victory, then I think you have an MVP type performance.

@okc baby
Thabo definitely isn't going anywhere, and Cook probably isn't either. Anyway, the shooting guard issue is a matter of PT not personnel.

@sbliss
Everyone knows Harden struggled in the tournament. And he'll always be laid back. Plenty of great players have the same knocks.

It's realistic to hope for a Westbrook-style sophomore second-half. If that doesn't happen we can begin questioning our player's future.

He did have a pretty good game. Hes not Lebron good. But I hope Lebron doesnt win it:)

Well, let's look at Derrick's number in the Portland game.

36 points -- ok, that impressive, very impressive.

But wait, that's from 27 shot attempts in 38 game minutes. Not very high efficiency there.
In fact, he was 14-27 on attempts, good but not great.

7 of 8 from the free throw line. Very good.

A total of one whole rebound (ok, not Rose's forte)

6 assists to 4 turnovers. Nothing impressive there. Especially for an elite PG.

Oh, and one more thing. He didn't lead his team to a victory. They lost.

Those numbers are good, but they don't look like an MVP performance to me. They just suggest that too much of Chicago's offense has to run through Derrick. Poor guy is going to be beat to a pulp by the time the playoffs come around.

A pre-draft evaluation:

Our player had yet another passive, lethargic start to his NCAA tournament. It was a little bit concerning to see the lack of aggressiveness Our player showed trying to overcome that, though, as he gave up the ball quite easily on numerous possessions without even looking at the rim, and just didn’t display much urgency trying to make things happen

Our Player's biggest shortcoming ended up being in the perimeter shooting department. He was terrific on the very few catch and shoot opportunities he received with his feet set (2.4 Pos/G), but really struggled when being contested (.85 PPP) or shooting off the dribble (.73 PPP). In fact, the 27% he shot from the field off the dribble is the lowest of any of the nineteen players in our sample

The concerns around Our player have always revolved around whether or not he has enough of a go-to mentality to warrant being picked in the top-5, as most teams would obviously like to get a franchise caliber talent that high in the draft. This weekend put those questions right back onto the table

And part of this past description is not still true. You have to see things for what they are if you want to get better

ok, here's an exhibit of DRose fawning that annoys me. And this one's from our very own Darnell.

Here's what Mayberry tweeted:

"Derrick Rose showing in Portland why he's neck and neck with LeBron on my ballot for MVP."

Really?

If Cook was what Presti first hope of him was when he picked him up. Thabo would be gone I think.

Now if Harden was starting and we didnt have Thabo and Cook. Gibson would be good bench guy knocking down threes.

The Cavs give up the third most three pointers as a percentage of their opponent shot attempts in the league and allow by far the highest percentage on three pointers. Being the best perimeter defender on the Cavs is like being the best post scorer on the Thunder.

@justin
hahaha, if gibson is their best perimeter defender than that just speaks to how bad their other wing players are defensively.

@Thunder S
i still think he needs to start, just allow him to also get extended minutes with the bench. he can be a spot up shooter and slasher with the starters and then can take over when he gets minutes with the bench. i just think that thabo is a main reason we start so many games from behind, he offers nothing. Harden will make the defense honest and give more room for kd and russ to get into the paint

@sbliss

LOL. What's his coach going to say? He's terrible?

@sbliss
do you even watch the team?? justin pretty much said everything but since when are you so good at grading player development? no hes not where we thot hed be when he was drafted but he has only improved. This guy is 21 and is probably has the highest bball iq of anyone not named collison on the team. and closing out on shooters is a team responsibility defensively since there are things called defensive rotations. plus hes defended just as well as thabo and has been our best 3 point threat all year. watch with a closer eye how he plays bud

I like James Harden as a Manu Ginobli-like 6th man who is anchoring the second unit. I think their games actually can be/are similar , because they are both decently athletic but succeed because of craftiness, iq, shooting, and the ability to get fouled.

The prob w/ JH as the 2 in the starting unit is that he will become a spot up shooter. His game is not jason kaponos and i actually think it throws him out of his rhythm to not have the ball and facilitate from time to time. You could argue there are enough touches for him to get the ball..but then i think the offense becomes one possession iso russ, one possession iso jh, one possession iso kd if you were to try to get all of their games going.

I think we all know that jh is good but i dont see why it is bad that he be a 6th man/manu ginobli type guy instead of a standstill jump shooter.

Alot of people look at where he was drafted. Is he playing like a number 3 pick, no. But Harden can get better. Gibson is at his peak.

Danner :
daniel gibson is just a shooter, he is terrible defensively and most definitely wont get any better. Id rather have cook, hes cheaper and isnt necessarily a mismatch for the opposition at the 2 guard. Gibson is a no go for sure.

He's a 4 year player in the NBA with a lifetime 3pt percentage of around 420%. So, he young, a great shooter and makes about $4 a year which isn't that much. Granted he plays on a terrible team, but if his coach says he is their best perimeter defender and you think his lousy, who are inclined to believe.

@sbliss

I don't know what you're watching, but Harden has played just about as well defensively as Thabo this year, or just about anyone else on the team except Collison or Ibaka. Harden makes the same mistakes everyone else on the team makes on the perimeter, over helping into the paint, ball watching sometimes, etc.

That brings me to your last point, the fact that Harden is not getting better. Harden's 21 years old, him and Serge are about the same age. I think any Thunder fan will tell you how much he's improved defensively in the last year and a half - he was horrible early last season. He's improved his scoring efficiency, he's improved his finishing % at the rim. He hasn't gotten to where a lot of people want him, but I think you've gotta take a look without the bias.

Honestly, I don't see what you guys think you see. I don't want to continue degrading a current player, so I' just call him our player. Our player seems like a terrible defensive player to me. If he's guarding someone trying to drive to the basket, they go past him every time, usually while he's looking at the bench or someone else on the court. If he's guarding a spot up shooter on the perimeter, 10 times out of 10 his guy is open and 9 times out of 10 he's desperately running out to get a hand in his face. He has overall skills, but excels at none of them.

All his deficiencies are clearly detailed in his college scouting report. If they are all still present, then that isn't even a player that is getting better.

daniel gibson is just a shooter, he is terrible defensively and most definitely wont get any better. Id rather have cook, hes cheaper and isnt necessarily a mismatch for the opposition at the 2 guard. Gibson is a no go for sure.

@justin
yeah the size is a problem, unless we have a defensive center who paired with ibaka locks up the paint

Darn Utah might take it

f5alcon :
is gibson much better than cook?

Yes but he's PG sized.

@sbliss

Stephen Curry is many times the player that Daniel Gibson is. How can you even make that comparison? Have you ever seen Daniel Gibson play basketball?

The line of reasoning I am using is that Daniel Gibson does one thing well on the NBA level that would be useful to the Thunder: shoot three pointers. He's nearly 25 years old so he's unlikely to improve much, he's undersized so he has negative value defensively as pairing him with Westbrook or Maynor would lead to mismatches against most teams. James Harden is 21 years old, will likely improve (as he has this season), is big enough to play SF against some teams, etc. etc.

uh-oh, Jazz are threatening

is gibson much better than cook?

Can we afford Curry after rookie contract

I just heard about yelawolf the other day. Supposedly Eminem signed him.

justin :@sbliss

Yes, but, he doesn’t do anything else well. He can’t play shooting guard (he’s 6’2″ 190 pounds soaking wet). Harden is a much better player than Gibson and he’s three years younger.

So under the same line of reasoning, you wouldn't care to have Stephen Curry on your team? Harden will not be playing for this team in 3 years. I'm trying to get value for him now while there are still people that regard him as you do.

One of us is going to be wrong and I'm happy to both to accept the challenge of being right and having the humility to admit I was wrong. Sorry, right now I just don't see "it"

okc baby :@clarkem

Yelawolf is a white rapper with the song pop the trunk. He likes the song.

no, the dum-dum was me, clarkem was the hep cat who knew what was going on

@sbliss

Yes, but, he doesn't do anything else well. He can't play shooting guard (he's 6'2" 190 pounds soaking wet). Harden is a much better player than Gibson and he's three years younger.

@clarkem
aaaaaaaaah... ok -- Kevin's tweet makes sense now
(though I don't feel any wiser for the experience)

justin :@sbliss

Gibson an elite defender? LOL!

Just quoted in the last day of so by one of his assistant coaches as the "best" perimeter defender on the team. Said he was unappreciated in that respect, but in fact was a terrific defender

And, Justin, he would qualify as that elite 3 pt shooter you required. I think he shoots about 430 from the three which is even up from his measly 400 2 pt%

@clarkem
Yelawolf is a white rapper with the song pop the trunk. He likes the song.

@sbliss

Gibson an elite defender? LOL!

innocent bystander :
btw, KD tweeted this today:
“Ay man yelawolf-pop the trunk is meaaannn…man I been sleeping on this dude…he is toughhhhh”
can anyone translate this?
it reads like English, but I can’t make head nor tail of it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np3pU-dLok4

David :
ESPN has a new insider up about Varejao. Any mention of OKC? There is also a write up today about OKC and K-Love.

If we were ever close to the Varejao trade, I would still make the trade, but I would try to add Daniel Gibson. I tried to argue trading Harden while he still had value and got pretty much shot down. Gibson is pretty close to an elite defender and scorer. He's a cross between the pt and 2. and for most of the year he hasn't been a true starter. If you had to add Harden to the deal to get Varejao, but added Gibson, I see that as a good short term and long term trade for the team.

Charlotte 2 taken out the Celts without Steven Jackson most the game

@Royce You should do an in game chat during important games of the season. Not every game obviously, but the game against Utah, for example, would have be fun to just chat back and forth on an away game. You could bring in those bros from podcast too. The Thunder websites does it but would be better if you moderated it. Kind of like how Bill Simmons did during the playoffs last year. Not sure if this has been done or suggested. If not, then considered it suggested.

This Utah game just underscores how dangerous the Kings can be. I don't care how lousy their record is, they play well at home, especially against good teams.

Anyone pencilling in two wins for us against Sac is too confident. I'm pretty sure we can take care of them at OKC. But that away game -- watch out! That's a very likely loss in the making.

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