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Moving on down: A guide to getting better seats

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It’s the sports fan’s mirage. The oasis in the desert. You’re upper level, looking down on the action just wondering, “What would this game look like from down there?”

If you do make the decision to move down, prepare yourself for an evening filled with anxiety. For some reason it’s mildly terrifying sitting in seats that are not your own. Every single person that comes walking toward your section looks like they’re The One. You can’t really enjoy the game because you’re constantly scanning for the seat’s rightful owners. In reality, it’s no big deal. It’s not like you’re in their shower. You’re just sitting in a seat at a game. But it feels like you’re doing something horrible.

And when it finally happens and someone comes up and does the whole pull-their-ticket-out-and-look-confused thing, you have to play it off like you didn’t know. Oh, look at this. This is section 103. I thought it was 303!

We’ve all moved down at some point in our lives. Or at least thought about it. That’s me. Any game I show up to and am sitting upper level, I always say, “Oh, we’ll just move down.” And I never do. Except one time. But it didn’t go so well. Here’s what happened.

My wife and I went to a game last season with tickets to sit in Loud City, pretty much the only place we’ve ever been. To that point, I had only sat lower level once and she never had. So we vowed to move down. We were going to hold ourselves to it.

So we went in with a plan. We were going to watch two seats the entire first half and then make a move right after halftime. We stared down two seats and at the half, made our move.

We got down there and started towards the open seats. They were only about 10 rows off the floor. But standing literally in the seats was an usher, talking to some other fans. Our plan was busted. Someone sitting on the aisle behind us saw us, recognized the DT-Shirts we were wearing and said something about them to me. Naturally I introduced myself and then for some reason explained why we were lingering so awkwardly in his section. The guy pointed at the four seats directly in front of him and said, “Nobody has been in those all night.”

So my wife and I sat down. Victory, we thought. We made it.

We were in the seats for about five minutes when I saw Sam Presti and assistant GM Troy Weaver walking up the aisle towards us. I nudged my wife and said, “Hey, Sam Presti.” She looked up, thought it was cool and that was it. But Presti kept coming up the aisle with an eye where we were sitting. He then gets to our row, looks right at me and says, “Are these your seats?”

Oh. Crap.

I sheepishly put my head down and say, “No.” Presti smiles and sits down next to me saying, “Hey, at least you’re honest.”

So there we are having finally moved down and wouldn’t you know it, we wound up in Sam Freaking Presti’s seats. What are the odds. I mean seriously. About three awkward minutes go by before I finally muster the courage to introduce myself. I lean over and say, “Hey Mr. Presti, my name is Royce Young,” and he immediately cuts me off and excitedly shakes my hand. Luckily he had remembered me from the interview I did with him over that summer. He asked me a whole bunch of questions like where I went to school, where I live, who some of my biggest writing influences are and other things. And then we sat there and watched the second half.

Let me tell you, it was quite the random night.

(Since then, I’ve talked to Presti quite a few times. The first time I saw him after it was at the All-Star Game. I apologized for stealing his seats and he thought it was pretty hilarious. In other words, Sam Presti is pretty terrific, even though I still feel dumb about it.)

Anyway, the point is, in our first (and last) move-down attempt, we crashed and burned pretty big time. So here’s a little guide to help if you want to try it.

Watch multiple sets for at least the entire first quarter. This is kind of tough in Oklahoma City, seeing as the arena is 95 percent full nightly. But there are always a few sets of seats that aren’t filled. Eye those bad boys for the entire first quarter, making sure no one ever shows up to them. If they’re clear the entire time, make a move about half way through the second. Scouting is especially key. You can’t just go after a pair of seats on a whim. You’ve got to do your homework.

Look for a string of six or seven empties. This is part of the planning. It’s better to find a row that has multiple empty seats so that way if God forbid someone shows up and you have to move, you can just slide down a bit. And don’t make a big deal of it. Just say, “Oh” and move over. That’s it. Don’t try and pretend like you were confused or innocent. Just slide over and forget it.

Don’t be a hero. I know you want to sit courtside. I know you see those two open chairs right at halfcourt. But you’ve got to play it cool. No matter what you’re upgrading so just accept the fact you’re closer. Don’t go for the Nicholson seats. Look for your string of empties and don’t deviate from your plan. If you happen to end up at the top of 103, just accept it. Again, you’re better off than you were.

Confidence. You can’t try and sneak into your new spot. You’ve got to go down like you own those seats. The moment you commit to sit in them, they are yours. If you hesitate and look uncomfortable, everyone will know you’re the poor person trying to sit with the rich folk. You’ve got to go in with some confidence.

Sit in the middle of a row. I actually asked one of the usher’s for a little advice on this and he said that sitting in the middle makes you tougher to get. Even if an usher knows you moved up, if you’re in the middle, it’s almost not worth the hassle of getting you out.

Mind your business. Once you get there, play it cool. Don’t heckle, don’t yell, don’t jump up and down and act like an idiot. You don’t want to draw attention to yourself and the fact you don’t belong.

Don’t sit in Sam Presti’s seats. I would say that this should probably be rule No. 1. At least it is on my list now.

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Encouraging. This practice solves three problems:

1. Better seats for you, the OKC fan.
2. Takes money out of pockets of Clay Bennet and Aubrey McClendon, hopefully ensuring their children won't get a college education.
3. Thus, showing solidarity with the forsaken fans of Seattle.

That's a bingo! Or a win, win, win, if you prefer.

Royce Young :

dromnomnom :
This may sound completely awkward and out of the blue but I was the one who told you that no one was sitting in those seats, and god help me for saying this but I had no dadgum clue that was Sam freaking Presti in front of me!! I heard him say that to you and I thought I had doomed the nice guy who writes for Daily Thunder lol.

Haha!

but your happy you experienced it, and met Presti right!!

dromnomnom :
This may sound completely awkward and out of the blue but I was the one who told you that no one was sitting in those seats, and god help me for saying this but I had no dadgum clue that was Sam freaking Presti in front of me!! I heard him say that to you and I thought I had doomed the nice guy who writes for Daily Thunder lol.

Haha!

dromnomnom :
This may sound completely awkward and out of the blue but I was the one who told you that no one was sitting in those seats, and god help me for saying this but I had no dadgum clue that was Sam freaking Presti in front of me!! I heard him say that to you and I thought I had doomed the nice guy who writes for Daily Thunder lol.

lol!

This may sound completely awkward and out of the blue but I was the one who told you that no one was sitting in those seats, and god help me for saying this but I had no dadgum clue that was Sam freaking Presti in front of me!! I heard him say that to you and I thought I had doomed the nice guy who writes for Daily Thunder lol.

if anyone has free tickets to the Kings/Thunder game im so down for them! I've been following the Thunder since day 1, and have only ever been to 5 games in our almost 3 seasons. I have only move down once, and that was Utah@Thunder halloween game that ended in a blow-out. I didn't move till there was 2:20 left in the 4th lol. Thats the closes i've ever been to the players. Which was like 4th row courtside.

We need tyson chandler! maybe just a straight him for uncle jeff green

@David
yeah he can change his, you are first david,lol, i almost said something when you first changed, but was like you already did, so no point.

@f5alcon

I know you're right. I've decided to go back to this handle. The other "David" doesn't post very much. I post a lot more than him. So why should I abdicate my name.

@skeletor83
he missed 63 games after our rescinded trade, so while he looks good now, last year would not have been.

Watching Tyson Chandler rebound, play defense, and make shots makes me cry.

We HAVE to beat the Lakers. God, I hate Kobe Bryant

Well so much for Boston helping us catch the Lakers. I keep hoping that we'll catch them by the All-Star break or that the home game against them will be for the 3rd seed (at least for a day), but it looks like they're rounding back into form

Should be PTS * 100 / (FGA-OREB+TO+FTA*.44)

i.e. Hollinger's formula for possessions is FGA-OREB+TO+FTA*.44. So to get OffEF you do PTS / 100 * (FGA - OREB+TO+FTA*.44).

Comes to about 107.95.

Pace is a completely different calculation.

@Steven

Pace isn't the same as possessions, it adjusts for minutes as teams don't play the same amount of minutes in a season due to overtimes (or differences in games during the season. Poss is just the calculated number of possessions, pace is possessions per 48 minutes.

@justin

Should ortg/100*pace = ppg? It doesn't seem to for either data set.

@JJJ

I'll be pulling for Dallas.

@Steven

Yes. Hollinger has our pace at 95.2, BBR is 92.9. It's just a difference in how they calculate possessions. Again though the relative rankings should be the same. OKC is 12th in pace on both sites.

Are we rooting for Dallas or Denver today? I say Nuggets...let's aim for the 2 seed

@justin

so the pace factor should be proportionately skewed?

I might try something like this this weekend in Sacramento and Golden State. They don't have the full crowds like OKC does, so hopefully. However, we got pretty good seats.

Steven :
anybody know why hollinger and basketball ref have different ortg/drtgs?

Hollinger's page uses the simplified way of calculating possessions. Basketball Reference uses Dean Oliver's formula, which is more stable.

The relative rankings should be the same.

Well, pretty obviously, if you absolutely have to get busted, sitting in Sam Freaking Presti's seats is the way to do it.

Great story. And with having hits the odds like that, you should seriously consider buying lottery tickets on a regular basis.

anybody know why hollinger and basketball ref have different ortg/drtgs?

Hopefully Ray Allen breaks the record tonight.

Kings suck! Go Thunder!

If I were to make a sign for the Kings/Thunder game on Saturday, what should it say? Any suggestions?

@Cpt. C-note
i think this season sloan being gone wont change the jazz, longterm though it will.

Good stuff, Royce.

OT

Is Sloan's retirement good for for us?

or

Was his feud with D-Will what was holding them back and now w/o the coach vs. star drama, they put it all together and challenge for The NW Division and home-court during the playoffs?

@Jax Raging Bile Duct
I agree to an extent. We have lower level corner seats and got the courtside upgrade against Memphis. Its cool to be that close but you can't really see whats going on overall

Sam: Are these your seats?
Royce: Nevermind that, I'd like to talk to you about some trade ideas I have.

Well, this is at least how it should have gone.

@Josh
the last one in your list is a high five moment, though maybe not with your family, but high-fiving your grandma for getting some action would be hilariously funny.

My family and I sit at the club level. One time last year we had the opportunity to sit behind the Thunder bench when Houston came to town. I don't remember much about that game because the perspective was so different from what I had grown accustomed to.

It's like in 2k, when you change the camera view and all of the sudden you suck because it doesn't feel like anything is the same.

Maybe I'm just a creature of habit. I prefer to sit where I'm used to sitting. I just absorb more that way.

Plus I like to yell at the players and know that they can't hear me.

Me and some friends moved down against Golden State on New Years Eve two years ago. There was 5 of us we were row 10 and 11 center court and we made the big screen twice, plus three of us got free thunder shirts. Let's just say was the best NBA game I've ever been too. Plus the Thunder won their 7 game of the season that night hahaha. Good times in the Ford Center!

http://h2hhombre.wordpress.com/

Not mentioned in this post: I have still never been out of Loud City (other than this night) and I'm never moving down again. With my luck, I'll end up in Mr. Midfirst Bank's seats.

@Bender

Goooooood idea on checking stubhub.

I move down EVERY game i go to.. Once got seats 1 row behind the OKC bench. Now, I don't mean this in a weird way, but mannn its hard not to try to touch KD! Perfect instructions, too, Royce! The thing is, everyone's just so friendly at our games, it's not even awkward when your seat's owners show up. You just stand up and walk to a different section, and no one knows the difference.

@Royce Young

My secret is out but only for DT readers. I'm glad I already have good enough seats.

Another way to get great seats: Study and take notes on stub-hub available tickets before the game. Chances are those tickets wont sell, and those seats will remain empty. This will get you at least in the correct row, wait until the surrounding seats fill and then sit, and slide if you need to. Works especially well for the expensive seats, no one buys expensive seats last minute.

Hilarious! I can sooo relate. Great post! I'm still laughing "Sam Freaking Presti" rofl Once, some friends and I had moved in on some seats on the first level and we saw the usher coming up the stairs. I slumped in my seat and didn't look at her, my friend kept her eye on the usher and when she passed us, I still didn't relax because I was sure she was going to get the cops to have us removed. lol But we were safe through the entire game. whew.

@Bender

I was hoping for this last week against the Hornets. I took my kids so they could get a good seat down low. We did manage the first row in sec 315, but I wanted lower bowl. Having 15,000 in attendance just after a blizzard? Stupid awesome fans.

Some really nice suggestions. Good ideas all around. I should've asked for help on this. I might have to write a revised version.

Another tecnique- u can watch people leave at halftime and ask for their stubs. I used to d this in the early rounds of march maddness

Anyone remember the Nets game during the ice storm in Jan 2009? They closed the 200 and 300 levels and brought everyone down. About 5000 strong and it was surprisingly loud. Thats another way to move on down.

i have to rank "the walk of shame after youve been kicked out of someones seat" as one of the top three in walks of shame. The top two walks of shame would include: being put into a cop car with braclets(that reference is for royce) and people onlooking, and of course, the morning after meeting a new "friend" and running into a roomate or parents.

I went to 8 Thunder games last year...moved down on all of them except for the Lakers, Game 3. Royce's article is right on. A few things are left out:

You can't care if your seats are given up and you can't be embarrassed. It's one of those, 'Hey, I tried' things. Second, you have to have partners with you that have the same attitude. You can't go with your up-tight, banana up the arse friends. They'll never have any fun. Also, having cute little kids with you tends to help get past ushers, as does having both hands full (beer, hot dog) so the usher doesn't ask to see your ticket.

By any chance were your DT shirts the zombie sonics shirts? If so, I would love to know what Presti's reaction to those shirts were

Best. Daily Thunder. Post. Ever!

And Kudos on the inadvertent Presti meeting. That is a hall of fame game experience story if there ever was one.

I just study StubHub. Been able to get goal seats from $30-40. Takes a little work but it's worth it. With a 2:15 drive each way, I'm not risking it. http://www.stubhub.com/oklahoma-city-thunder-ticke...

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