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Watch Chris Paul fall down against the Thunder

UPDATE: I asked NBA PR man Tim Frank about flopping and he said, “Flopping has been discussed amongst the competition committee many times in the past but there are no plans to make any changes in this area.”

I’m moving on from the Chris Paul stuff. Promise. After this.

Flopping is absolutely part of the game and some might see it as a smart play. You can get your team in the bonus faster, put fouls on another player and potentially force a turnover or get two free throws. If it works, why not do it?

But flopping is one of the reasons Americans hate soccer so much. There’s just no honor in it. Instead of playing the game straight up, you resort to cheap tactics to try and put fouls on someone. Maybe it’s gamesmanship, maybe it’s a clever, savvy move. Or maybe it’s just chump. (Then again, one might be able to apply that same sentence to KD’s “rip move” as well. I see a flop and the rip as two different things entirely though.)

Flopping is absolutely within the rules. It’s fair to do. The game moves so fast that it’s hard for officials to really see what happens. That’s why flopping works. A player fakes a foul, goes sprawling on the floor and he gets a whistle. To me though, it’s dishonorable. There’s a difference in flopping in the open floor by crumbling to the floor with no contact and someone falling down on a driving layup attempt. Both are trying to draw fouls, yes. But one is creating the illusion that there was a foul by acting and exaggerating, the other is a common thing when players go flying into the lane.

In the end, Chris Paul is still an awesome basketball player. Maybe the best point guard in the game. But he has a reputation for this stuff, as well as taking cheap shots. I just don’t understand why a player of his caliber resorts to it. Other players flop and fall. Heck, when Nick Collison takes a charge most of the time the force of the offensive player isn’t enough to actually bull him over. But it’s just not the same as sprawling out at halfcourt trying to put a ticky-tack foul on Westbrook.

Flopping is part of the game and it’s not going anywhere. But there’s a reason you only see a select few players do it. It’s one of those unwritten things you don’t do and if do use it, you take a hit for it. Like Chris Paul has in my mind.

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I love how we're every bit as biased as them... KD's rip move is in the same um... "Area" as Paul's flopping. But as Brandon pointed out, at least there is actual contact. And that all he is doing is pulling the ball to the other side. It's still in the realm of gamesmanship and I'm not particularly a fan of it, but Paul is imagining contact. I jumped over to look at that article, and the explanation of the Westbrook drive was ridiculous. Yes, that is how you take a charge. You also need for there a charge to be there, not throwing your arms out and falling over.

A comment of mine got lost in the fray last night but chris paul = christiano ronaldo

@f5alcon

@Cpt. C-note
Haha thanks guys. It's no bother to me because in this type of stuff, everyone has an opinion and people are emotional about players and teams.

we all got your back royce

I don't think I'd check this site 4 times a day for 2+ years now if Royce sucked. (CBS blog also.)
You gotta have thick skin when you write passionately and call people out for their crap, so I give The Godfather kudos!

I hereby present Royce Young with the "Eff Yeah!" award for outstanding achievement in the field of excellence.
Thumbs up, bro!
GO THUNDER!!!

@Royce Young
I won't feel sorry for New Orleans fans when Chris Paul leaves to go to the Knicks/Nets.

@Royce Young
Haha. Their fans are hilarious. Don't let their comments bother you, Royce. This was a good write-up, and I'm glad you did it. Chris Paul's constant whining and flopping shouldn't just go ignored.

KD's rip move, there is actual contact, and it's strategic in that it gets defenders off him a little bit for the rest of the game. And you can't compare it to driving the lane and actually getting contact. What Chris Paul is doing is something completely different. He is just acting. That's it. He's pretending like there is contact when there is none, and he falls to the ground to try to sell it. And he does it over and over and over. And on top of that, he is constantly whining to the refs. It's just a pain to watch. KD doesn't ever whine, doesn't complain. He just smiles and shakes his head. That's all he ever does. Paul thinks every time down, he is fouled. And then on the other side, he thinks he never fouls anyone. I just want the dude to man up and shut up.

Ouch! He was going for the jugular. Although he came off as more of a lawyer than anything.. I like that he has names for the different Paul flop moves. Reminds me of the crab dribble lol.

I'm with @Clark Matthews it's a call for the refs. I couldn't even watch this video it would just make me mad and slightly depressed after last night.

Im confused as to why so many people are complaining about all the posts about flopping, when Chris Paul's flopping is the topic of this thread.

Safe to say, At The Hive's commenters disagreed with me:

http://www.atthehive.com/2011/1/25/1955544/a-response-quickly-to-chris-paul-flopping-allegations

My goodness. At the ten second mark, Paul knew the screen was coming so he fell forward into Collison. I'm less mad at CP3 than the refs for giving him those calls.

The league really needs to address how referees handle demonstrative falling. It's just as disrespectful to the game as players whining.

Paul is good enough to not use the flop for advantage but we should also be more mad at the refs for letting it happen

@gr8ball83
lol, not that i know of

@f5alcon

@JFalc

are you guys twins??

@JFalc
russ tried it once and he picked it up and blew by him

GAP :@blade_

I see nothing wrong with this part of the game.

I understand it when there's little time left on the clock but down 2 with 10mins to go in the second quarter and with EVERY possesion..!? It my be that it drives me nuts because Pauls flopping made me throw up but anyway...

GAP :@blade_

Just to highlight one thing.
Not only does the shot clock not start, but neither does the game clock.
I see nothing wrong with this part of the game.

that's what I was thinking but there must have been an error because twice the game clock was on befor he touched the ball. I wasn't shure so I played attention to that...

@blade
You wrote: "Just one other thing about Paul that drives me nuts. He ALLWAYS waits till the ball doesnt move before he touches it after a made basket so the shotclock doesn’t start. Just pick up the ball and PLAY!!!"

I actually consider that smart basketball and I fault the opposing team (including ours) for not eliminating this. He saves 5-6 seconds on the shot clock every play for his offense. If I was coaching the opposing team, I would make my guy threaten an attack on the ball every play so he picks it up.

Does anyone have the stats on whether the Hornets with Chrissy "Fall" leading them have less shot clock violations than the rest of the league? I'd be curious

@blade_
Just to highlight one thing.

He ALLWAYS waits till the ball doesnt move before he touches it after a made basket so the shotclock doesn’t start. Just pick up the ball and PLAY!!!

Almost everyone who's ever played organized basketball has done this especially when they're down points, to maximize the time to come back. Not only does the shot clock not start, but neither does the game clock.
I see nothing wrong with this part of the game.

kfmsooner :@GAP

I agree. Let’s talk basketball, not flopping…

agreed but I had to get that comment off... sorry guys

@TempBoy Brandon
it depends on if it is 2 or 3 different single ladies.

@DizzDai

well we just lost to the hornets, phoenix plays a style that we are weak against, so we could lose those games, i hope we dont but it is possible and then the game against utah is the game that will tie the division. obviously i hope that doesnt happen, but we are so inconsistent i wouldnt rule it out, and after last years april, i wouldnt say we secured the division with anything less than a 7 or 8 game lead

@Landstander
ever seen a game of the English Premier League? If there's any league in the whole world where flopping is punished by your own teammates and fans then its the Premier League..! Let's say the Italian Seria A ok?

Royce Young :
Flopping is absolutely part of the game and some might see it as a smart play

No its not. It is cheating and its unfair and I hate everyone doing it, doesn't mater which sport! As a european I grew up playing soccer and I had several fights with players flopping on me. It just drives me nuts! I understand that it is hard for the refs to see it but IMO flopping should be "punished" be the players. The players of the other team and by the players of your own team. I mean every NBA-Player wants to be tough. Toughness is the ultimate goal and flopping is not in the rulebook for beeing tough. So if you flopp, its not nice or inteligent or savvy its just weak! I mean Paul was almost dying after the Ref's (boy they were bad. DJ Mbengas tip-in?) called a foul with 5secs to go and then he played the last ball? C'mon...
Just one other thing about Paul that drives me nuts. He ALLWAYS waits till the ball doesnt move before he touches it after a made basket so the shotclock doesn't start. Just pick up the ball and PLAY!!!

@GAP
BTW, I believe KD and Russ were still shooting well in the second quarter, but the energy,edge and focus we had, seemed completely gone.

@gr8ball83
Agreed on the KD, Russ and JG, but if i'm looking at any particulars in losing the game(like flopping etc..), i'm looking at that second quarter. That's when we let our foot off the gas and started to do what you previously mentioned.

You're so right when you point out JG killing them on the block, but as we've all witnessed before, coach Brooks does his own thing and so do the players. Maybe coach should be more forcefull with what he wants, but judging by the offense, he doesn't know either.

@GAP
Nope, poor shooting by KD, poor passing by Westbrook, not posting up Jeff Green when he's been killing it inside on offense all game, etc. and we still had a chance to win it at the end

@GAP
I think he is saying we played well except when we didn't or the reverse of that.

TempBoy Brandon :@GAP Are you also forgetting the first quarter, and the fact that we outrebounded them, and the fact that we shot better than they did? And the defense being horrendous? Really? Didn’t we just hold them to 91 points??

Sorry, i'm not getting your point, unless your making mine for me. My point is that we gave the game away in the second quarter, so as much as I didn't enjoy CP3 flopping, his flopping didn't win the game for them.

Chris Paul = ROTFF, Rolling on the floor flopping -- every night.

Pathetic.

Jeff Van Gundy is right that the NBA needs to address this.

There is a reason he is known as Chris "Fall" around the league, and we saw it last night.

Top three reasons I despise Chris Paul:

-Flopping.

-Prolonged "Injury" -- he lies there grimacing in pain for 10-20 seconds at least 3 or 4 times a game, only to get back in the game and be fine afterwards.

-Constant Whining. (Even after his total b.s. attempt to draw a charge on Westbrook, he is actually complaining over and over to the ref).

http://i32.tinypic.com/ekhope.gif shows a classic double axle spin move by Paul after only la minor brush.

@GAP
Are you also forgetting the first quarter, and the fact that we outrebounded them, and the fact that we shot better than they did? And the defense being horrendous? Really? Didn't we just hold them to 91 points??

Being all honest, who cares if CP3 flopped the whole game? We gave the Hornets the ballgame in the second quarter, plus are you guys forgetting the 17 turnovers we had and the defense (lack thereof) was completely horrendous.

@f5alcon
Let's all hope

@gr8ball83
I'm with you on the JG talk, one day of flopping material is making my head and eyes hurt.

@f5alcon

OKC: Minny, Wash, Miami, NO, Phx, Utah

vs.

Utah: LAL, SA, Minny, G.S., Bobcats, Hou, Denver, OKC

The only team I'm overly concerned about is Miami. I'd think the Lakers and Spurs would whoop the Jazz. Denver and Houston should be difficult for them as well.

Perhaps I'm being too optimistic.

@gr8ball83
Why, yes, yes I did. Ya know, just an average Monday night for me. What, most guys don't hang out with two or three hot, single ladies every weeknight?

@TempBoy Brandon
wait wait wait, did you say TWO lady friends?

The flopping was out of control last night and was driving me absolutely bonkers. I love that someone made a youtube "highlights" video of it. Hilarious. At one point, one of my two lady friends that was watching it with me said, "I wish he'd stop falling down and just play basketball." That's pretty much how I felt. Just man up, dude. If we were playing a pick up game, everyone would make fun of him and tell him to stop being a little girl and just play ball. It's basketball, not the Oscars. Maybe he knew the nominees were being announced this morning, though, and tried to grab a few last second votes.

@DizzDai

within the week? at th end of this week we are at best 3 games up, next week we have a tougher week, and could be back to a tie with them.

@kfmsooner

Utah has a tough schedule on the horizon. Anyone think we can secure the division within the next week?

@gr8ball83
I think everyone would agree that a certain level of physicality is involved in confrontations like the one with CP and KD. The foul is when someone uses contact to gain an unfair advantage -- like when KD creates space with his elbow. I think that's pretty simple. CP is being an annoying pest, there, but he doesn't appear to be impeding KD unfairly.

While the rip move does usually invoke actual contact, the intent of the shot doesn't seem real to unbiased fans....so the contact seems fake, in a sense. KD seemingly doesn't actually want to shoot there but gets the shooting foul cuz a defender's hand was in the wrong place. CP3 falls down when he didn't have to but might get the call because a defender was being (maybe) too aggressive. Both force a call to be made when, really, there didn't have to be a call. Both take advantage of the rules. The situations aren't completely dissimilar.

I think we should get back to talking about Jeff Green's great game :)

@kfmsooner
but you said we would "rip" other players for doing the rip move. people do it all over and i don't think we "rip" them for it?

@GAP
the tiebreaker is conference record against them, so hopefully we can beat them on that

@GAP
I agree. Let's talk basketball, not flopping...

@gr8ball83
Sure...but the rip move has kind of become KD's signature move.

@kfmsooner
players all over the NBA do the rip move, billups, kobe, etc.

@The Facial Hair of Byron Mullens
So Chris Paul has the right to bump and body KD but KD doesn't have the right to bump him back? If they're going to let Paul be that physical playing defense they should let the offensive player be just as physical. And again, the rip move involves ACTUAL CONTACT NOT FAKE CONTACT

Hey Royce, now that all this flopping business is out of the way, can we start talking Thunder basketball? Maybe just throw me a bone and write up something to get last nights game out of my head, especially the fact that we just gave away the 3rd spot to above said team.

@The Facial Hair of Byron Mullens
Nice post. All teams/players flop to some degree.

Most players and fans do not like the 'rip move', but since KD is our boy, we tend to look past it. If LBJ did the rip move, we'd 'rip' him...

The Hornets are my favorite team and OKC has been my 2nd favorite ever since they picked up Durant and Green in Seattle. Huge fan of green's in college -- sad to see him so out of sorts/lacking identity on this squad. Anyway, I find how peeved you are about all this pretty entertaining. Hornets fans were similarly pissed with some Mavs and Spurs players during the playoff run in 08. So, I definitely empathize with your complaints, and I wish CP didn't flop so much.

While I love this blog, the CP hate comes off as overly jaded and somewhat homerish. The last "flop" in that video is definitely a foul on Durant - you cannot push off with your arm into the defender's chest 3 times in a row. Yeah, CP is right on him, but he's as entitled to his space as KD is.

And, come on, the rip move, while totally valid, approaches a similar lameness as the flop. It's definitely not as bad as the flop, but they both go against the in-game action we fans love to watch. In place of battling, we have players taking advantage of fouls that are "there" (or not so "there"). It sucks, but these guys want to win.

And, while you appreciate KD's rip move, I'm sure you'd be pissed as hell at CP3 if he had pulled the I'm-hoisting-up-a-3-when-the-other-team-fouls-me-at-the-end-of-a-close-game which should definitely result in 3 shots, but rarely does. It's just as heady as KD's rip move, but it pisses everyone off. He's trying to use the rules to his advantage. Just like every other player. He just tends to go further.

Why was Samuel L. Jackson at the game last night? Because he's Chris Paul's acting coach. What does Chris Paul have in common with a fish. They both flop and suck up .

Most entertaining part of that video? 1:16 when the rich lady in yellow starts excitedly clapping for some reason.

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