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Monday Bolts – 1.3.11

Darnell Mayberry on KD’s emerging post game: “His latest weapon originates from the left block. Against the Nuggets, it started with a post-up against guard J.R. Smith. Durant gave Smith a bump, dribbled once, turned over his right shoulder, rose and swished a smooth jump shot. Durant then duplicated the quick move against Arron Afflalo. It marked the makings of Durant’s post-up game.”

Marc Stein in his Weekend Dime: “As if the 30.1 points per game he averaged to lead Oklahoma City to 50 wins and finish second in MVP voting weren’t strong enough clues, Kevin Durant announced his leap to superstardom in even louder fashion during the summer. First he signed a max contract extension with the Thunder, with the minimum amount of fuss, to unwittingly earn himself a reputation for being the huggable franchise player most unlike James. The 21-year-old, who has since turned 22, then led an American team missing everyone from the squad that won gold at the 2008 Olympics in China to its first gold medal in the world championships in 16 years, ending a drought dating to 1994.”

OKC is one of the top clutch teams.

Matt Moore on the Westbrook triple-double: “If you’re the type that thinks that running up the score should be allowed, that it’s the objective of the defense to stop the offense, and we shouldn’t punish players for going to the whistle, even when the game is very clearly over and there’s absolutely nothing to be gained from such endeavors, then you’re probably going to side with Westbrook and Ibaka. If you’re the type that thinks there should be limits and rules regarding how you behave in a professional sporting contest where the objective at all times is to create baskets while preventing the same from your opponent, then you’re probably not going to like this. We’re not going to settle it, because we all have our opinions and they’re unlikely to change in this matter.”

KD is seventh in NBA.com’s MVP race: “The NBA’s leading scorer got himself 99 points in three games last week, making 58.3 percent of his shots overall and 43 percent (9 of 21) from 3-point range. His 44 points against Denver earned the Sonics/Thunder franchise its first Christmas victory (1-11 now).”

Fran Blinebury has a resolution for the Thunder: “Entering the season as everyone’s popular pick to make a deep run through the Western Conference playoff bracket, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook and Jeff Green resolve not to get discouraged if the big breakthrough doesn’t come this season. Remember how long even Michael Jordan knocked at the door.”

NBA.com’s power rankings: “At what point does Scott Brooks change his starting lineup? Consistency and cohesion are nice, but the Thunder starters outscored their opponents by just 1.6 points per 48 minutes last season, and this year they’re outscoring them by 0.5 per 48, with perimeter defense being the biggest problem.”

Ziller maps out the NBA’s scorers.

David Aldridge with his top 10 of 2010: “OKC’s Kevin Durant increases the pain in Portland by becoming a full-fledged superstar in his third NBA season. He becomes the youngest player in history to lead the league in scoring (30.1), is named first-team All-NBA and finishes second to LeBron James in MVP voting. He then endears himself to just about every writer covering the L by announcing, quietly, on his Twitter account that he’s re-upping with the Thunder with a long-term extension, then caps his Magnificent Summer by leading the United States team to an unexpectedly easy victory in the World Championships in Turkey, including a dismantling of the host Turks in the gold medal game.”

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justin :
None of those guys were lottery picks, and none of those guys cost their teams ~$6 million in cap space.

So Whats your point? We were never even thinking about signing David Lee. and we needed to spend the money anyway

Bryan :
Actually, I was looking at some D-League rosters and noticed that Hassan Whiteside, Soloman Alabi, Craig Brackins and Dexter Pittman have all spent significant time in the D-League this year…… so maybe not such a big deal.

None of those guys were lottery picks, and none of those guys cost their teams ~$6 million in cap space.

In related news, Tiny Gallon is averaging 16 pts, 8 rebounds a game in 31 minutes for the Maine Red Claws lol..... that is all

Actually, I was looking at some D-League rosters and noticed that Hassan Whiteside, Soloman Alabi, Craig Brackins and Dexter Pittman have all spent significant time in the D-League this year...... so maybe not such a big deal.

On the Aldrich situation. He's in the D League because he needs to learn how to play 40 minutes without fouling out, and we can't afford to give him those minutes and still be good. So right now the D league is the best place for him to develop. He will probably come back to the team after allstar when they will start to prepare for the post season.

A Trade for Nene makes sense if Denver is rebuilding Post Melo, and we give them collision as part of a package. Nene is also a better player then Nick Collision but at the same height is a better scorer and rebounder.

Darnell doesn't know much more than we do.

@kfmsooner

While Nene is averaging more points, and boards and in general is a better overall basketball player, I feel that Nenad is a more valuable piece. In the NBA Length is important. Not so much for direct rim protection but just to bother shots and get in the way. LA has Odom the shortest of their main bigs who is the same size as Nene. San Antonio have Duncan, Splitter. Dallas have dirk, chandler and haywood.

Elite teams need legitimate size. not just good post players. thats why Houston is better this year with brad miller and jordan hill playing C minutes. And why Atlanta, with Al Horford a similar player to nene won't make it out of the second round in an easier conference.

I am not opposed to this team getting Nene i just don't want to give up kristic to do it.

@Jax Raging Bile Duct
100 percent accurate.

I guess when you are struggling to win games by comfortable margins it can be hard to get a new guy some minutes. But it just seems like they would have found him some playing time by now if was going to be able to contribute.

@f5alcon

It's funny, but the ESPN Rumors concerning the Thunder for the past three years have all been of the 'journalist speculation' variety. The Thunder are notoriously tight lipped, as are the Spurs. In fact, I remember when Chad Ford said that the two organizations that he has the hardest time getting a read on is the Spurs and the Thunder, going further to say that the Spurs are just tight lipped, but the Thunder are tight lipped and also spread their fair share of misinformation.

I feel like most opinions that 'come from Thunder brass' are just other people putting words in the Thunder's mouths.

Cole is getting more experience playing in the D league. Ibaka could use some polishing but we need him more

@Bryan
yeah, and i think he could if brooks would actually play him, no reason why he couldnt play even just 5 mins a game, even if he didnt contribute much he could get used to the nba talent.

@f5alcon
I suppose that's true. You just hope that your first round pick that you did so much to aquire could contribute sooner.

Sonics should have gotten Kevin love over westbrook

@Bryan
2 years, look at dj white, he couldnt crack the rotation until this year and is playing decently, so while cole is a bit older i would still give him at least another full season.

Besides ibaka is an exception not the rule and our rotation is better now, ibaka was displacing etan.

David :So in his chat wrap today, when asked who will be the Thunder’s starting center next year, Darnell said, “My money is on Nene. . . Stay tuned.” Are we working on a trade or is he betting on attracting him as a FA? Intriguing.

Interesting...wonder if he was talking trade or FA? Let's hope the Melo trade goes down soon...

As far as @jdstorm 's comments on taking Green and NoNads over Nene and Big Al are concerned, I just wanted to follow up. Nene is averaging 15 ppg, 7.4 rpg. NoNads has not had ONE GAME of 15 pts, 7 boards...No question Nene and Big Al would be better.

@f5alcon
yeah.... so. When do we start the "is Cole Aldrich a bust" discussion????

@okc baby
We simply see a glimmer of hope because of the Melo situation.... it's probably false hope. But it gives us something to talk about.

David :
So in his chat wrap today, when asked who will be the Thunder’s starting center next year, Darnell said, “My money is on Nene. . . Stay tuned.” Are we working on a trade or is he betting on attracting him as a FA? Intriguing.

sounds more like a trade, and sounds like real info, usually if it was pure conjecture he wouldnt say stay tuned.

Anyone remember how many games had been played before Ibaka started getting significant minutes?

Lot of you are stuck on Nene. Sorry to burst your bubble. Not going to happen.

@DizzyDai
He is a Maynor hater. Anybody that knows anything about basketball knows that E Maynor helps this team significantly. Of course Ive got to watch Maynor in summer ball. We are definitely not utilizing him the way we should. Anyway, Thunder are smart and know he is worth more then what teams offered.

That last peep out of the front office was something about continuity and "liking the direction and development of current players."

I'm not optimistic. I think Presti pinned his hopes on Aldrich and Pleiss.

So in his chat wrap today, when asked who will be the Thunder's starting center next year, Darnell said, "My money is on Nene. . . Stay tuned." Are we working on a trade or is he betting on attracting him as a FA? Intriguing.

@John

I'm thrilled that our team is winning despite it's known short comings. I'm glad that we have quality players in our locker room, and I'm glad that they present themselves in a professional and upright manner to the public. I'm proud of the team, and I cheer for them every game -- in the arena when we're here in OKC and in front the TV when they're away. Any criticism I might have for Green or Krstic or anyone else does not preclude those players from my support when they're on the court.

However, it is my opinion that the team's current weaknesses will be much more difficult to overcome in the post-season. My criticism does not come from a desire for the Thunder to win the way I want them to, but from my own beliefs on what a team needs to win in the post-season. If our team as constructed wins a championship, I will not be pissed because they did so with a less than favorable DRR, suboptimal rotations or bizarre defensive switching assignments. I will be thrilled out of my gourd.

If you want to argue about what leads to success in the post-season, that's fine. But if I feel like something is wrong or could be improved, I will voice my opinion and this is a great place to do so. While I hold no delusion that the Thunder front office will be following any directives from the comments on this blog, I also know that they read it. Much like when I'm asked to vote on what's most important to me as a season ticket holder (WINNING), this is just another forum for the voices of fans to be heard.

Offering criticism is not the same as hate. It is possible to both like and criticize someone. Perhaps some of the criticism is dealt bluntly, but this is a conversation amongst fans about their team; I'm not sure what level of civility should be expected, but this is by far one of the most civil places I've encountered on the internet, much less a blog that focuses on sports. There are certainly some trolls that post on this blog, but the commenters carrying on the lion's share of the conversation in this post are not among them.

I'm sorry that you cannot understand how some of us can be both fans and critical of success, however I assure you it is possible.

id like to see something out of the front office, at least a rumor that we are looking at somebody

@kfmsooner
So what you are saying is "dunkapaloosa."

Bryan :@kfmsooner exactly…. but it’s all a fantasy anyway lol

Unfortunatley, yes...fun to think about and talk about, but it would never happen.

Nene is not a great defensive center, nor is he a great rebounder. He is good, not great. He is a better offensive rebounder than anyone we have right now, and he would immediately lead us in rebounding statistically. He would be the best low-post scorer on our roster and someone who could at least be some kind of option when our offense gets into the iso-or-bust mode in the 4th quarter with KD and Russ. Plus, there would be few teams in the league that could answer a Nene-Ibaka combo athletically. Others may be better basketball-wise, but as athletes, I can't think of a better tandem.

@kfmsooner
exactly.... but it's all a fantasy anyway lol

@jdstorm
Could not disagree more. I'd take Nene and Harrington 7 days a week and twice on Sunday over Krstic and Green. Nene is far superior to Krstic in every statistical category (did you seen the fast break dunk he put down on us Christmas Day?), and Harrington is very similar to Green in numbers, plus he is a better 3pt shooter. Is Green a better player? Yes, but not by a lot. Plus you break the strangle hold Green has on minutes. I'd rather have Big Al at 28 minutes pg off the bench with Ibaka starting than Green at 38 mpg and Ibaka on the bench.

Anyone here have any major issues with Nene's defense?

@jdstorm
But I think starting Nene next to Ibaka would help protect the rim. Krstic may be taller, but he never leaves his feet and is awful on the defensive glass... an area where Nene is pretty good.

The way I see it, you improve both play at both Center and Power Forward because Nene is an improvement over Krstic and Ibaka is an improvement over Green. Harrington makes a nice backup to complete the rotation, or he could be traded for decent shooter to backup KD.

@John
because being a fan is not about blind loyalty, it is about wanting to have the best team, and thinking we are so perfect doesnt breed a better team.

@Bryan

What is the Answer to that question? Because even if all money was the same. i would rather have Kristic and Green over Nene and Harrington. Given how big all the good teams are, if nene is your starting C you are not going to win the west. He is the real reason Melo wants to get traded, because the nuggets have no height.

If backup SF minutes became an issue after losing Green, you could always sign Latavious Williams from the 66ers. His numbers are not bad and his FG% has been over 60% for some time. He's averaging 13 pts and 8 rbs, which includes a game where he had 21 boards - as well as some not-so-good games.

@kfmsooner
That makes sense. The realy question is whether you would rather have Nene, Ibaka and Harrington in the front court, or Krstic, Ibaka and Green?

I think we all know the answer to that question.

Also, you would have to throw in Cook or Pete to make the money work.

@John
How can you be a fan of the Thunder and like BD and GL? How can you be a basketball fan and listen to BD? I've been a basketball fan for much longer than a Thunder fan, and BD knows as much about basketball as Charles Barkely does about how to swing a golf club.

Being a fan of something does not require a blind fold and having that thing tatooed on your body. If you care about something, you want to see it be the best it can be and not be satisfied with something that is just above average.

@justin
Yeah, that's why I thought we could offer them Green, Maynor and Cook (who makes the money work). Of course, taking on Maynor would only make sense if they decided to trade him or Lawson or Billups. I guess it depends on if they want to start over, or try to keep things going without Melo... in which case Nene would not be going anywhere.

@justin
Exactly. If we were to deal for Nene, we would have to take Al Harrington's contract. Something like this (Not exact, can't use the Trade Machine at work):

JG
Nenad
Aldrich

Nene
Harrington

Denver has already stated that they want to trade Big Al with Melo...but for half a year's rental of Nene, with no guarantee he would resign, it's not worth it.

Interesting side debate, though...other than JG being younger, who would you rather have...JG or Al Harrington?

As long as we're criticizing Brian and Grant, how about those Thundergirls? I feel that they are way underperforming based on last year and preseason expectations. Erica's hairlength/bust size ratio is way below the league average and I feel that Lakeshia has been used way too frequently in time out routines. Not to mention that Ashely has been dancing out of position all year.

I seriously don't understant why some of you people even consider yourselves Thunder fans-- you hate most of the players, the coach, the announcers. Maybe you would be happier if you found a team that you were actually fond of to root for. Brian and Grant may not be the best but they are enthusiastic and they love our team.

P.S. I also think Rumble is taking way too many backwards halfcourt shots. We should trade him to the Spurs for Wiley Coyote's expiring contract.

Bryan :
Are there any teams that are just looking to get under the cap? Who could we pick up for just Krstic’s and Mo Pete’s expiring contracts and maybe the Clips pick?

We can't get teams any savings this year because we used our cap space to extend Nick Collison. Trading expiring such as Krstic and Peterson only has value to a team that is looking to shed salary beyond this season. i.e. the rescinded Tyson Chandler trade where we traded two expiring contracts for the long term contract of Chandler. This is why a trade for Nene or someone like that for 'expirings' makes no sense, since there's no reason Denver would want to get out from under his contract as it's short and relatively affordable.

@kfmsooner
Yeah... Sucks. It's nice to know that, if nothing else, we can at least save some money when Pete and Krstic go away. I suppose we could resign Krstic on the cheap. He'd make a good back up at the right price.

BTW, how are the 66ers doing?

@Bryan
I don't think so. Last year there were far more sellers than buyers and expiring contracts could net you 1st rounders and talent (See: Houston). This year, most teams are OK as far as salary cap goes, and those that aren't are contenders and are not looking to shed contracts for nothing. Top teams salaries according to Draft Express:

Lakers 95.5 mil
Magic 93.3
Mavs 89.1
Nuggets 80.7
Jazz 77.1
Pacers 76.8 (lots of expirings)
Rockets 76.3
Bucks 74.4
Celts 74.3
Blazers 72.2
Suns 70.4
Hornets 69.8
Spurs 68.5
Sixers 68.4
Hawks 68.1
Bobcats 65.7
Pistons 65.6
Grizz 64.7
Warriors 62.6

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-player-salaries/

Not a lot of those teams would be willing to shed talent straight up for $$. Maybe with a couple of draft picks we could swing something with the Warriors for Biedrins...

@KingGondo
left hand doesnt talk to right hand maybe.

That list is deceptive, though. Maynor plays lower minutes than most on the list and has a significantly lower PER than the names at the top.

In Maynor’s defense, he does not get much usage because Harden does more facilitating and Durant plays with him for about half of those minutes.

I'd like someone like Darnell Mayberry to ask Coach Brooks why Green continues to play such huge minutes. The only possible answer he could give is that Green provides "intangibles" or "leadership and experience."

I know that our front office is supposedly very savvy with advanced stats and whatnot, which is why I'm so perplexed that a lineup that has performed to a substandard level gets so many minutes on the floor together...