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Monday Bolts – 12.13.10

Marc Stein in his Weekend Dime getting a scout take: “Their team’s pretty well-defined around Durant and [Westbrook]. That team’s been built around those two guys and not a lot of other guys who need the ball. If Westbrook was playing with a Ray Allen-type, it would be a problem because he’s not going to distribute the ball very well. If they added another scorer in there, he’d probably get frozen out. But Westbrook is such a great talent. How do you reel him in? He’s similar to LeBron in some ways. In the open floor, when he puts his head down, he’s as explosive a player as there is in this league. If you’re the other team you have to hope he’s not having a good shooting night.”

John Hollinger examining MVP candidates: “And then there’s Kevin Durant. After finishing third in PER a year ago at the tender age of 21, many expected him to ascend to the top of the MVP throne. Instead, he’s not even the top candidate on his own team right now; while he is leading the league in scoring, he is only 19th in PER. In fact, Durant’s league-leading scoring total is another convincing data point for the relative lack of superstardom this season. His 27.3 points per game would be the lowest league-leading total since Allen Iverson’s 26.3 in 1998-99; if you’re looking at non-lockout years, it’s the least since George Gervin’s 27.2 in 1977-78.”

I love this note from Darnell Mayberry: “Here’s a story of karma. Two seasons ago, when the Thunder played at Cleveland around Thanksgiving, the Cavs absolutely destroyed the Thunder. The game was never close. The Thunder trailed by as many as 42 and lost by 35. During a timeout, the Cavs’ in-game entertainment arranged for four or five fans to come onto the court and say what they were thankful for. In what had to be staged, a young boy, probably no older than 9 or 10, took his turn and said, “I’m thankful I don’t have to watch the Oklahoma City Thunder every night.” The crowd erupted and even the Cavs’ bench was in stitches. I’ll never forget the arrogance the Cavs franchise had then. Even Cavs media members had a jolly old time cracking on the Thunder. Don’t worry, Cleveland, we’ve got just the thing for Cavs fans.”

When in NOLA, KD compared the situation to Seattle some.

John Krolik on the game: “Good lord, Russell Westbrook. His court vision is insane, he can make home-run passes as well as anybody else can, he’s fallen out of love with that tweener pull-up jumper, he’s a better finisher, and he seems to be a more confident outside shooter, even if the numbers don’t bear that out. He took complete control of this game from the opening tip in every way — passing, shooting, making steals and pushing the break, getting offensive rebounds. He’s a legit MVP candidate. When the “LeBron vs. Durant” stuff was happening this off-season, who would’ve thought that KD would be more of a #2 guy on the Thunder than LeBron is on the Heat?”

I like Skeets’ breakdown of Harden’s dunk.

Dime’s power rankings: “Challenging week ahead for Thabo Sefolosha, who gets Kevin Martin, Tyreke Evans and Jason Richardson on the schedule. Three pure scorers, three different styles. Good thing Thabo doesn’t have to worry about playing offense.”

NBA.com’s rankings: “Jeff Green. Serge Ibaka. Russell Westbrook. And now James Harden. Don’t get caught under the basket against this team. And is it time for Kevin Durant to catch fire? He shot 10-for-17 in an easy win over the Cavs on Sunday and will face some sketchy defenses in the next couple of weeks.”

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I love this from the Harden/Darnell Mayberry interview:

DM: When you have one like that, do you get home and watch TV until that show it on SportsCenter?
JH: Oh yeah. I think that’s everybody, especially the young guys. Guys that do it all the time are probably used to it. But for a guy who doesn’t really do it all the time will watch it just to look at it again and see how it really was. Obviously you’re in the play, but to see it in replay is definitely a different view.

I'm not sure I agree with the assertion that RW couldn't play with a Ray Allen type. Sure, Ray Allen is one of the best shooters ever and a lock for HOF; however, having at least an above average knock-down 3pt shooter who comes off screens excellently would benefit RW - he might get more assists because right now Thabo isn't knocking down his long range shots.

Well, last night I said you had to feel for Cavs fans, with what they're going through. After reading what Darnell Mayberry wrote, I take it all back. What goes around apparently came around last night.

Speaking of Darnell, he deserves some props where Westbrook is concerned. I think it was late in the Thunder's first season here that he said he thought Westbrook's ceiling was about on a Dwyane Wade level. Note, he did not say that's the kind of player Westbrook was. Just that that was the level he thought he could attain, and he said it at a time when a lot of people were down some on Westbrook. It's looking more and more like one heck of a prediction.

@Brent
Not with him playing so horrible. It's rare that a rookie can be overpaid, but Thabeet is.

Could you see the trying to trade for Thabeet?

Maybe Mullens is more like Jason Smith.

I was probably being too soft. Darko is a backup center who starts. He hasn't been even be an average backup considering everything including +/-. But he still could be that or more.

@Greg

The only thing Darko's done this year better than his career average is get assists and block shots. He's scoring and rebounding worse.

Teams who pass, shoot and score well give the Thunder the toughest run.

When opponents shoot 50% eFG% against the Thunder, the Thunder went 7-7. When opponents shoot 50% eFG% against the Thunder, the Thunder went 9-1.

justin :
Darko had a few nice games but he hasn’t been that great, really.

Considerably better than in the past, IMO. He's also dealing with injuries, as usual.

Darko had a few nice games but he hasn't been that great, really.

Divided the season into 5 game blocks. The 2 blocks where they played faster they went 5-5 total. So in the 3 slower blocks they are 12-3.

The two worst defense 5 game blocks on Defensive efficiency and eFG% allowed were the last 2.

If Mullens ever plays down the line like Darko is playing this year, that would be excellent.

@f5alcon

I agree. Kinda what I was looking at.

@Crow
if mullens is as good as milicic im ok with that because mullens was a 24th pick and milicic was a #2

Sene and Swift were way ahead of Mullens overall thru the first 2 years because of offensive rebounding, blocks and turnovers.

Is Mullens a super-sized PF? I don't know. It is a stray possibility. Maybe he a shooting center. Would like to see the offensive rebounding and blocks to rise and that can happen with age and confidence.

Looked at Mullens vs Milicic in first 2 years. Very similar rebounders. Comparable shot frequency, Mullens shot way better but still not average. Mullens only a tiny fraction of the blocks and 1/3rd higher turnovers. Of course Mullens has a tiny tiny minute level. I'd prefer to find a few more here and there.

justin :
Russell Westbrook’s shooting has begun to creep down a little bit. His long mid-range jumper is down to 38%, which I would describe as ‘adequate’ for a guard who is not a shooter. It was ~42% for much of the beginning of the year. His FG% near the rim has also dropped some, but it’s still an improvement.
I keep waiting for his scoring efficiency to come down a couple percentage points but he’ll have a crazy night that puts it back up. Pretty weird season he’s having…

why do you keep waiting for his scoring efficiency to go down? Why not just hope it moves up.

great pic at the moment of contact:

Irresistable force meets immovable(?) object

@Crow:
I really don't know, but bhe Thunder have always been agressive on help D and have similarly always held the Lakers below their season averages. Might suggest something.... might not.

I'd think that overhelping off their men is likely to work better against less than the best teams and less well against the best teams and I'd say the record is consistent with that.

There is a huge difference betweenm points scored by even eastern playoff teams against the Thunder and western playoff level teams- 18 points per game!

But separately, a question: Did or does overhelping work against the Lakers / Triangle?

@qrex
Right. I don't really care where Stein wants to rank them, as long as they're winning. Right now we're tied for the 4th seed, which is really what matters.

@blade_
sry I was talking about Davis the TV-Guy covering the Thunder...

One reason not to trade for Anderson Verejao: hearing David calling him VereJOE or VereSHOW more than twice a year would drive me nuts!

@David
Don't we want the rest of the world looking past OKC? Then, when the playoffs arrive, maybe when can get through a couple of rounds before everyone figures out they have been snookered.

good grief.. a 3-1 week in which our record improved and we drop from #8 to #9 in Stein's rankings

and he has the Bulls at #4!!!
hey, they're a pretty good team, but that's ludicrous

he even says "Safe bet: Chicago is in the top 10 to stay."

Marc Stein's objectivity with regard to Chicago is nil.

I hate ESPN, especially Hollinger. Can't ever seem to give the Thunder some love, and when they do its all backhanded compliments

Russell Westbrook's shooting has begun to creep down a little bit. His long mid-range jumper is down to 38%, which I would describe as 'adequate' for a guard who is not a shooter. It was ~42% for much of the beginning of the year. His FG% near the rim has also dropped some, but it's still an improvement.

I keep waiting for his scoring efficiency to come down a couple percentage points but he'll have a crazy night that puts it back up. Pretty weird season he's having...

Mark Stein in this week's rankings: "Friday's courtside seat in New Orleans reminded the committee (of one) that all the fretting about OKC's slippage on D/Westbrook's ability to QB/
Durant's knee can't change the fact that even KD's misses are gorgeous."

Back-handed compliment to a team that did fairly well for the past week? I don't think Stein pays much attention to the Thunder (perhaps because his head is somewhere north of Dirk Nowitski's colon and/or south of LeBron's upper intestine). Any why is he/the committee fretting about RW's "ability" to QB the Thunder (or distribute to a Ray Allen type)?

ok, now we hear from the source:

Darnell talks to Harden about the dunk

"Either he was going to block it or I was going to dunk it."

I haven't had a chance to catch Sportscenters' top 10 plays yet, but Harden got the top spot in the NBA's top 10 video from last night.

now that Harden's getting all the love and attention from last night's jam, I suppose people are going to start "swagger jacking" his style

;)

highlight from last night:

a happy man

:)

@justin

The dreaded -10 per 100 for Green has popped up again.

If it makes you feel any better Mulles has +40.2 per 100 possesions.

@Sammy
if they keep up with durant rolling to the rim it will help out offense.

@justin

One thing I am noticing about not only Green but the team as a whole is that everyone is overhelping off their man. This leads to a lot of open looks both under the basket and at the 3 point line, and several teams have taken advantage of that (Bonner's 7/7 from 3, for example).

Green's been -9.2 per 100 possessions since the start of last year, over 100 games now the Thunder have performed far better when him not playing.

Green's having a real rotten year defensively, even when he's not guarding power forwards.

As deficient as Green is in many PF aspects (rebounding, post defense, etc), I can't help but think that it's mainly a result of who his frontcourt partner is. Krstic is simply not good enough, and Ibaka is a true 4, not really a 5. As good as it would be to get a player like Nene or Marc Gasol and let Jeff go in the offseason, I'd much prefer if we could pick up a cheaper center like Varejao and also resign Jeff.

@Sammy
Ah I can't believe I missed that!

It's a good day to be a Thunder-er

:)

I've been enjoying reading The Point Forward lately. From a post today:

8. An active pick-and-roll for Kevin Durant
When Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant run a pick-and-roll with the latter as the screener, it’s often a passive play, designed to force the defense to switch a point guard onto Durant. Very often, Durant doesn’t even move, content to post up the point guard from the top of the key and shoot a jumper over him. It’s a play many teams run for scoring small forwards who have solid mid-range games.

Over the weekend — and especially against New Orleans on Friday — Durant was rolling to the hoop and flashing into the lane like a big man. It’s not his strong suit, but it introduces more movement into Oklahoma City’s offense and forces the defense to scramble and leave other guys open. Serge Ibaka especially is becoming really good at finding the open spaces Durant’s movement creates.

@TempBoy Brandon
Those MVP chants were coming from the section next to me. Not sure if there was alcohol involved or if those folks were just super enthused to be there but they were very loud and positive all night long. Basically they took the "Loud City" thing to heart. Good stuff.

Ibaka-Krstic and Green-Ibaka have both performed much better than Green-Krstic.

Ibaka and Green both aren't great rebounders. Ibaka is better, but he isn't someone who is going to box a guy out and is often out of position.

One of the things we did very well with last year was offensive rebounding. We were third in the league. This season we're about league average.

@Dan2

Thanks for looking that up. Let's get Chairman outta the starting line up.

@Dan2
Big men always make a big difference, because so much is often depended on them (defensive anchor, rebounding, efficient scoring). I don't think anyone here would argue that a quality center would make a huge difference for our team. The problem, as always, is finding one without giving up the farm.

After looking over the games that Ibaka started, there doesn't seem to be a trend that we are more likely to out rebound the other team when Ibaka starts, even at PF. However, according to 82games.com, Ibaka, on average, out rebounds his guy, so the problem is that Kristic/Green can't come close enough to matching their opponents rebounds (-4.6/-5.0). I can't wait until Aldrich and Ibaka start together, that tandem will give us a rebounding edge, which we really need since we are a jump shooting team that needs as many touches as possible since we don't get easy post points.

Mayberry's post game notes are great. Royce and Mayberry are the two best Thunder reporters barnone, in my opinion. None of the Sports Animal guys, national guys or other Oklahoman guys can touch them.

Also, did anyone else hear some MVP chants for both Russ and KD coming from Loud City last night? Obviously, it's way too early for those chants, so it was kinda ridiculous, but I thought it was interesting for a few different reasons. 1, I wonder how that made Russ feel to hear those chants. 2, I wonder how it made KD feel to hear some people chanting that for Russ. 3, It does show how the average fan has picked up on the fact that Russ is becoming a superstar too. 4, If Russ keeps this up, and if KD catches fire like we expect him to, and if the Thunder end up being a contender at the end of the season, we really could have two legit MVP candidates on our hands. It'd be funny to hear MVP chants at the end of the year every time KD and Russ shoot free throws.