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First quarter complete: Where does the Thunder stand?

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I can hardly believe it, but with 22 games already behind the Thunder, Oklahoma City is already more than a quarter of the way through the season. That means it’s time for a look at a few things that bode well for the boys in blue and a few things that don’t as we ponder their 14-8 record.

BAD THINGS

1. The Thunder’s point differential is -0.4 points per game. This is the thing that worries me most about Oklahoma City going forward. The Thunder is one of only two NBA teams with a winning record but a negative point differential. (The other is Phoenix, which sits at 11-9 and has a -0.6 differential.) Plenty of stat gurus will tell you this is perhaps the most important team stat in basketball. OKC has won only three games by at least 10 points and lost four by at least that many, including losses to the lowly Clippers and Raptors.

2. OKC’s most reliable bench scorer is Serge Ibaka. This is great news for Ibaka for this year and for the Thunder going forward. But if James Harden doesn’t figure things out by the playoffs, this will be a recipe for disaster. Ibaka isn’t scoring as a primary option on offense when he’s in the game. He’s hitting his jumper with good consistency this season, and that makes him scary good, but a big percentage of his points are put-backs and can’t-miss dunks and layups made possible by Russell Westbrook’s penetrating style. Ibaka’s gaudy 57 percent FG shooting is nice, but if Harden can’t raise his own percentage from about 36 percent to somewhere around 45 percent, what kind of an offensive upgrade is he really over Thabo Sefolosha? There’s still time, and Harden played too well as a primary scorer in college for me to think he can’t turn it around at some point.

3. The defense sucks. Is it OK if I leave it at that? This is undoubtedly the most-discussed negative development of the year in Oklahoma City.

4. The West isn’t getting any worse. I didn’t think it would, but it would have been fortuitous for the Thunder if I was wrong. San Antonio is defying preseason obituaries that said the Spurs’ contending days are over. The Lakers are the Lakers — and will remain so if Kobe Bryant can stay healthy enough to play through the rest of the season. It turns out Jerry Sloan can coach, because the Jazz are playing well. Carmelo Anthony is still a Nugget. Dallas is playing with purpose. Chris Paul and the Hornets, despite a recent slide, appear rejuvenated. Only Portland has been a true disappointment among teams that figured to contend for a playoff spot. But though it appears an Eastern Conference team or two will sneak into the playoffs with a losing record, that’s not going to happen in the West. OKC can’t have too many more bad losses to teams like the Clippers and Raptors if it wants to feel comfortable about its place in the postseason race.

GOOD THINGS

1. Russell Westbrook. No further explanation necessary. (Kevin Durant, despite his slow start, should be included as well. But it’s time for yet another tip of the cap to Jet Zero.)

2. OKC is winning close games. Do the stat guys care about winning close games? No. They want domination and a positive point differential. But I am of the school that thinks teams will be well-served in April, May and June if they build confidence late in games in November, December and beyond. There’s no stat that will back it up, but you can’t convince me that this doesn’t matter.

3. There’s not nearly as much ground to make up as this time last year. Last season’s turning point came in December with the trade for Eric Maynor as the Thunder was hovering near .500 until about Christmas. But this year, barring a shocking slide during a relatively easy stretch of December games, OKC will enter the new year well above that. In December last season, Thunder fans were only beginning to think about a playoff spot. This year, the playoff spot is Oklahoma City’s to lose.

4. The Thunder has a strong division and conference record. There are plenty of tough games yet to be played, but it’s impossible to be disappointed in a 4-1 division record and 7-5 conference record. Truly, if OKC can continue its relative dominance over Eastern Conference teams, even a .500 record in the division and the conference would leave the Thunder in good shape for a playoff berth. Anything more than a couple of games above .500 against Western Conference teams could mean home court in the first round.

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2006 I meant Detroit not Dallas. In both cases where the title winners were not best on top 10 record they were still top 4.

In spring 2004 the Wolves were the clear best on record against the top ten. The thing that kept them from having a game 7 in the conference finals on their home court and maybe greater glory was that the Lakers stepped up and stole game 1 in Minnesota. The same thing happened to the Mavs, the 2006 clear best on record against the top ten. In the end, small things are disrupt the pattern but this pattern is very strong.

@Danny
Might as well, we've gotta assume he's tried everything else.

If you are a lower seed then record against top 10 teams is probably more important. If you are the favorite than maybe overall point differential and record against the top 16 matter a lot too in round 1 for trying to avoid close games and avoid the series upset.

I'd rather by close to .500 against top 10 teams and have a weak overall point differential than have a huge point differential and not by close to .500 against the top 10 but obviously it is better to right on both and lacking either one is likely to trip you up at some point, first round or later.

The Lakers are certainly not inevitable. I think their chances are generally rated too high given the number of other high enough quality contenders including a couple in the west. But I am reminded that several returning champs have underperformed in the regular season and cranked it up in the playoffs successfully.

Right now a fairly large number of teams still at least have some legit shot if they improve but the list will dwindle. We'll see what the stats and the eyes suggest later.

For real, serious question:

is it time to ask Harden to lose the beard just in case it makes him better?

@Crow
no laker repeat? i really dont want any of those top 3 teams winning i dont like any of those franchises.

Usually the best record against the top 10 has been a runaway victory and when it is really headed that way (say by game 40-50) I wouldn't pick outside that team.

By overall point differential and other methods you might say there are as many as 7-10 Tier 1 contenders. By record against the top 10 there are 3 leaders for the best record right now. Whether it stays that way or somebody jumps up and takes a spot will be interesting to watch. I wouldn't bet outside that top 3 for the champ.

I did a study round by playoff round before, and while I don't recall the exact details or length of study and not going to repeat it, the team with the better record against the top 10 in the regular season usually won the round. I think to the order of at least 70% - 80% of time.

@Crow
yeah doesnt surprise me about where we are based on our play, however i think we are not that far from being much better if we can get some consistency on both ends of the floor.

No team won the title in 10 years without being at least close to .500 against the top 10 in the regular season. Last season 6 teams were at or above .500. All the conference finalists were within at least one game on .500. Miami was the only sub .500 team on this to win a title and they were also below .500 by just 1 game for the season. The Thunder are sitting right at that 1 game under .500 level right now.

yeah it is interesting stuff, out margin of victory is killing us though, if that was better we would be much higher up. miami is 5th, but only 1-6 against top 10 teams.

The top 3 are the same on both but the order varies. Utah is 4th on both but tied for that using Sagarin's.

@Crow
oh ok, yeah i was using record, yeah it is too early for that comparison though.

@f5alcon

Thanks for sharing this alternate method.

There are arguments for each and better to see and consider both, I think.

By Sagarin's ratings the Thunder are still in 9th but have sole possession of it.

Dallas does indeed have the most wins against the top 10 but Boston and San Antonio have better win%s against that group.

It is way early.

The answer will also vary depending on how you define top 10. Sagarin's top 10 at usatoday is not top ten by record but rather by his power rating.

maybe im missing something
the way im seeing it based on record with a 3 way tie for 9th best
top 10
1 SA 2 boston 3 dallas 4 utah 5 orlando 6 lakers 7 denver 8 new orleans

9 miami 9 atlanta 9 OKC

against those teams
boston 4-3
SA 5-2
dallas 8-2

Using best record against the top 10 teams, Boston has the early lead, followed by San Antonio and Dalas and then a big gap. But is very early to use this metric.

@Crow
based on that dallas is the best team, with wins over SA, NO, denver, boston, miami, utah.

@Dan

The topic can be viewed from various perspectives and with the aid of various stats. 9 of the last 11 seasons the champ had the very best record against the top 10 teams in the regular season. Not one of the best, the very best record. Detroit and Miami were the exceptions.

@f5alcon
Pretty much any video editing app these days should have rudimentary text/graphics tools. This page is a decent start: http://video-editing-software-review.toptenreviews...

There are also much more robust programs but I can't imagine why you'd need them. I can give you a list if you want it though.

@f5alcon
i am looking for software to do overlays for breaking down video, if anybody knows of any, i have the video files of the games part taken care of.

@seth_22
usually there is a year or 2 between the two events and brooks wont get fired unless something extreme happens.

Isn't it a league policy to fire your coach if they win most improved team I mean Coach of the Year?

In other news, where's The Don been lately? I am finding myself missing his inventive insults and overreactions.

Nerdy d-league stat: Ryan Reid's played 99 minutes for Tulsa and he's got a plus/minus of +42. That's pretty sick.

@Patrick James
yeah they need to learn, but our coaching staff doesnt seem to be teaching them, "try harder" isnt the same as if you see this->do this or in this situation look for this.

Maybe we need to start breaking down plays on here

@Dan

Right. Like I said, I know what the stat guys say. (FBO is outstanding, btw.) I even agree with them. But right now, I happen to think learning to win the close ones is as important for this young team as blowing out crappy squads like the Warriors the other night. The Thunder will also need to learn to crush inferior teams, which is surely a focus issue for the best teams. I don't mind if, for now, they are sticking with one lesson at a time, in a way. Better to learn how to do one before the other than to not learn either.

Everyone to listen to the podcast in which Nick Collison was a guest that Royce tweeted about today. I'm sure it will be in the Bolts tomorrow. Nick makes the point that it's expecting a lot from a young team to be able to know how to always get the best shots out of its offense. In another year or two, I fully expect better results on that end.

@gr8ball83
I already acknowledged that his performance vs. the Thunder was a combination of his knee plus our defense. Yes, he scored only 13 points the game after the knee drain... but on 4/9 shooting, 3 boards, 7 assists, 2 steals in a Lakers blowout in which he only played 29 minutes. It really doesn't prove anything either way. For the rest of the playoffs, Kobe played substantially better than he did prior to the drain. Again, we can't definitively say what was the bigger factor, but I think we have to acknowledge that the knee played some factor in the Thunder series, moreso than it did in the Jazz or Phoenix serieses.

Sorry, assumed Royce was writing this, meant to say Patrick.

@Other Thomas
We really need both, and offensive guy and a defensive guy.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8159

Does this help Royce? I also think the fact that the Thunder tend to rank lower on advanced stats-based power rankings than their record would seem to indicate shows some of the problems of getting close wins with few easy ones.

"Since the merger, here are the Finals & Finals + Conf. Finals series records of the teams superior in each category:

Category Finals Finals + CF
More Stomps 19-13 50-40
More Dominations 22-8 59-32
More Guts 13-14 47-43
More Skates 9-20 35-52
In the NBA, dominating good teams is clearly the best indicator of postseason success. Teams that had more regular-season dominations (big wins over good teams) won 64.8% of their "final four" series, including 73.3% of their Finals matchups. But the second-most predictive attribute of "final four" success was having more stomps -- that is, destroying the league's weaker teams. And having more stomps was actually a better indicator of success than having more guts (close wins against good teams), just like Schatz found in football.

In other words, it looks like this criticism of Miami has no basis in reality. And in fact, their inability to close the deal against good opponents actually appears to say less about their chances of a deep playoff run than their ability to manhandle poor teams. As Schatz writes in the intro of every Football Outsiders Almanac: "Championship teams are generally defined by their ability to dominate inferior opponents, not their ability to win close games."

Thomas :
I don’t want Brooks out b/c I think KD has a strong connection with him but I like the idea of some sort of offensive coordinator on the staff. Like OSU didn’t fire Mike Gundy, they just brought in Dana Holgerson to be offensive coordinator. Why can’t we see something similar in this context. Bring in an offensive guru. There must be someone out there who is a basketball mind that could install a more coherent offensive system.

This. Although I would rather have a defensive guru.

This team is still in the hunt for home-court advantage in the first round of the playoffs... Okay, so they are not playing stellar basketball and Brooks may not be the guy to make the team a serious contender, but for Christ's sake, let's hush the "replace Brooks" talk until at least after the all-star break lol..... yeeeesh

@Sammy
He scored 13 points the game after getting his knee drained. How can you exclusively merit the knee draining and his gimpiness in our series with his poor play? He had really awful shooting games in the rest of the playoffs as well, he just took more shots. 29 points on 29 shots isn't a good offensive game. 30 points on 27 shots? I'm positive he was gimpy all of the playoffs, he's gimpy every damn game at this point between his knees and finger. Just saying that wasn't the only reason he didn't score well against us.

@gr8ball83
Truth is it's impossible for anyone to say in hindsight how much of Kobe's poor performance vs. the Thunder had to do with the health of his knee as opposed to the Thunder's defense. It's assuredly a combination of the two. But it seems weird to disregard Kobe's performance before and after the knee draining as exclusively the result of our defense.

I don't want Brooks out b/c I think KD has a strong connection with him but I like the idea of some sort of offensive coordinator on the staff. Like OSU didn't fire Mike Gundy, they just brought in Dana Holgerson to be offensive coordinator. Why can't we see something similar in this context. Bring in an offensive guru. There must be someone out there who is a basketball mind that could install a more coherent offensive system.

@Anonymous
Yes everyone knows the lockdown defense that Phoenix plays...

kobe isnt why we lost, gasol/bynum killing green/krstic were.

@Sammy
Or Thabo's D the rest of the series. If that was the answer don't you think it would have been drained earlier? Or before the last game of the Finals? All his bad games were the knee acting up.

@Anonymous
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that isn't all because of Durant's D in the 4th quarter of game 3 :)

In other news, you assign yourself a handle. Your comments will get more respect that way.

@Steve H
Kobe drained his knee after game 4 in OKC, and he was a totally different player after that.

@Steve H
for all his emphasis on defense we have been pretty horrible executing whatever he is teaching them

I don't want to see Brooks fired. He seems to have the confidence of his players, and I appreciate his emphasis on defense. I also don't want to mess with the teams continuity (it's really not broken at this point, so don't...). That said, I would hope Presti has a heart to heart w/ him along the lines of "KD plays 35 per unless injured- no more small ball- orelse". We would never hear about such a sit down of course, but I sure hope takes place.

@Anonymous
You really think he magically healed between our series and the series after ours??

@Patrick James
Course we're not gonna fire Brooks now, and, barring a complete collapse, the team probably wouldn't consider it for at least another season. A lot of us are skeptical that Brooks has the tactical chops to lead this team to the next level, but, hey, if he convinces us otherwise, more power to him. I'd love nothing more. But my instinct is that he's a good teacher and motivator, the kind of guy that's perfect for getting your team of youngsters in line and getting them to 50 wins, but that he lacks the coaching/basketball knowledge to install a system that can win a championship.

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