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Chicago works the Thunder over, 99-90

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If you turned off your TV about halfway through the third quarter, I don’t blame you at all. Not only was that some ugly, frustrating basketball, but you weren’t even getting to watch the Thunder’s best players play.

I’m not an NBA coach and I don’t think I could win 50 games in that role. So I don’t question Scott Brooks much. But it’s hard not to wonder why Kevin Durant and Jeff Green only played two minutes and 46 seconds in the third quarter.

When the two checked out, Oklahoma City was down 60-54. The Thunder weren’t playing well, but they were in the game. What was hurting OKC was the lack of any offensive rhythm. So when Durant and Green went to the bench with over nine minutes left in the third, it was curious. But you were thinking, “OK, quick blow here and they’re coming back.” Instead, they sat the remainder of the quarter.

And we watched the Thunder reserves meander along, hanging somewhat close before the Bulls eventually took over and pulled ahead by 16 going into the fourth, punctuated by a buzzer-beating 3 by Derrick Rose to end the quarter.

Of course Brooks could’ve had an issue with something Durant and Green were doing or maybe he simply wanted to rest two of the top minute players in the league on the second night of a back-to-back. There may have been a reason. But to sit them for virtually the entire quarter? I just don’t get that. Customarily, Durant plays most of the third, checks out with a few minutes left and sits to start the fourth and checks back in with about nine minutes left. I guess Brooks wanted to try something different, and clearly, it didn’t work.

Via Darnell Mayberry, Brooks’ explanation: “We weren’t playing well, and I tried to make a change and see if we could manufacture some more energy.” I get that. But for nine straight minutes when it clearly wasn’t working? Doesn’t compute.

Green and Durant returned to begin the fourth and played the entire last period, but it was too late. The Thunder whittled the Chicago lead down to nine but the game was pretty much over already. OKC lost the game in the third, with Durant and Green sitting. Bad coaching move.

Losing on the second night of a back-to-back on the road against an Eastern contender isn’t a big deal. Really, it was sort of expected. But the way it happened with it almost feeling like Brooks was willing to drop it in order to give his guys a rest isn’t the best thing ever.

NOTES:

  • Jeff Green though, didn’t really have a huge reason to complain about the lack of minutes tonight though. He just couldn’t hit a shot for anything (1-9 from the field). Sometimes that happens.
  • Durant played a pretty nice game in his 33 minutes. He finished with 29 on just 7-18 shooting, but was 14-14 from the line.
  • Russell Westbrook just didn’t seem like himself either. He went for 15 points and dished out seven assists, but missed some easier looks and didn’t have that same bounce all night. He turned it over six times and really, was just completely careless with the ball. He tried to do too much and as a result, the Thunder offense never found any rhythm.
  • There was a bright spot though and that was Nenad Krstic who had a season-high 18 points on 8-12 shooting. He had it going early on hitting a few jumpers as well as a few dunks inside.
  • The Thunder shot just 34 percent from the field. That’s horrible. It was only as close as it was because they went 28-31 from the free throw line.
  • The Bulls murdered the Thunder on the glass. The edge was 52-39, but it was worse than that. Chicago had a hand on nearly every defensive rebound OKC got. Like seriously, almost every one. Nothing ever came easy for the Thunder on the glass and a number of Chicago’s points were off second chance putbacks.
  • James Harden with 13 points, but again, 3-12 from the field. If he can figure out how to shoot a semi-decent percentage, he can averaged 15-18 points, easy.
  • Carlos Boozer absolutely worked the Thunder tonight. He had 29 points and 12 rebounds. He was really the difference as Rose wasn’t great (11 points on 3-13 shooting). Luol Deng made a difference too though with 19 points.
  • Kyle Korver was in a shooting slump (only six for his last 27) so naturally he broke out of that tonight scoring 13 on 5-11 shooting.
  • Serge Ibaka wasn’t able to give OKC any kind of a spark either. He only played 15 minutes, had two rebounds and two points. I figured he would make a difference against the Bulls big interior players, but he was a total non-factor.
  • After a no-call on a Jeff Green shot that airballed, Brian Davis said emphatically, “The ball doesn’t lie.” Obviously he’s not familiar with the meaning of that phrase.
  • One more: After OKC scored a bucket to cut the Bulls lead to 13, Grant Long said, “The comeback is on!” OKC was on a big 2-0 run when he said it.
  • The Bulls defense deserves a lot of credit too. They swarmed and hounded OKC all night. The Bulls played harder. They played smarter. They executed, on both ends. They were just better than OKC in this one.

The most exciting moments of the second half came with a minute left because the Bulls were stuck on 99 points. And Chicago has one of those things were you get food if the team scores 100. But the Bulls turned it over three times, missed an easy one at the rim and ended up short. MORAL VICTORY FOR THE THUNDER!

But really, that was maybe the most lackluster game of the season. Even the blowouts to the Clippers and Jazz felt like they had a better flow and reason for the result. Ugly, ugly loss here. It almost felt kind of like Brooks knew his team was flat and was willing to pack it in and just finish out the night. Maybe some of the blame goes to the team for allowing the Warriors to push them when the game should’ve been over after three quarters. Maybe the team was just unfocused from the beginning. Or maybe it was just a bad, ugly game.

Probably a combination of the three.

Next up: At the Wolves Wednesday.

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@kfmsooner

Thanks for the 411. We really need to get rid of Brian Davis.

Look we just got beat by a really good team. Derrick is way better than Westbrook. Deng played great d on Durant. To be honest the refs were on are side the whole game. KD gets more calls then he should. We should kinda be embarrased the refs were giving us this game and we still couldn't win. Until we get a decent center and a real power foward we will continue to get bullied in the paint. Let's get real with ourselves kd took 14 ft he avgs. 10 that's really how he gets his points. I think he's a little worn down from fiba and he plays almost 40 minutes a game

DizzyDai :@kfmsooner
I don’t know what “from the nail” means. I’d hate to learn some bad phrases from listening to Davis.

I've never heard anyone say it either. The nail is on the freethrow line. It's a little hole they put in the floor, insert a nail, and use a string to draw the dotted circle and top of the key. At least that's the old school way of doing it. When you learned to shoot freethrows, you always put your toe right by 'the nail' so you were centered on the rim...Davis calls the top of the key the nail...

@kfmsooner

I don't know what "from the nail" means. I'd hate to learn some bad phrases from listening to Davis.

Yup carlos Boozer just worked yah'll--bnroken hand and all.

"After a no-call on a Jeff Green shot that airballed, Brian Davis said emphatically, “The ball doesn’t lie.” Obviously he’s not familiar with the meaning of that phrase."

You could write an entire atricle about basketball phrases that Brian Davis doesn't get. "From the nail" being number 1...He's awful.

@Anonymous
I don't know why you are so opposed to luck. The best team doesn't always win games. That's some luck. A wild shot gets thrown up and happens to go in, that's some luck. A team stays extremely healthy, or even extremely injured throughout the season, that's some luck. Luck isn't the most important factor in our record. Our most important factor is talent. We have almost 3 PER 20 players on the team; how many other teams can say that? 3 at the most?

But luck IS a factor. It is a factor for every team, good or bad. Right now I think we have a good deal of positive luck. We have won games that we didn't play well at all. We have been beaten soundly by bad teams. It's pretty lucky that we are 14-8 having played as far below our potential as we have.

@qrex
Long term, I hope that is what happens. But short term, Brooks is going to get heat, and it's not like the players won't see that. It can go either way. I'd be supportive of Brooks if he keeps up that mentality going forward, at least until we know whether it is working or not. Of course, given Brooks highly questionable decisions in the past, it's hard to say how much there is to glean from one instance of putting his foot down (something we have almost never seen to this point).

@Keith
I looked at it the opposite way. They sat. We got little further behind; they sat. We got even further behind, and they still sat. The message was play hard or sit. We may lose, but everyone playing is expected to play hard. Based on post game interviews,Jeff and Kevin seemed to get the message.

@qrex
They won because the team wasn't any better (and in fact worse) with them out. The lesson is only learned if they see that the team plays harder with them out. That wasn't the case, so psychologically they are validated in thinking that their play is still a positive. This is a problem with the NBA in general. Superstars are so important that it's very very difficult to prove that they need to try harder - outside of their own realizations that is. Take a superstar off the court and the team gets worse, even if the superstar wasn't giving full effort. This feeds the superstar thinking they are bigger than the lesson to be learned, and often gets negative feedback on the coach who was trying to teach the lesson.

It's why the NBA is a players' league, and a guy like Lebron can force front-office moves throughout his career.

@Anonymous
Not true of every shot, just shots as a whole (for example manufacturing a shot in the post could be a >50% shot). But I agree with you that defense is paramount to being consistently good.

But here's perhaps the main point for our team specifically, not just the luck-based-close-game idea. We are a bad 4th quarter team. We take bad shots, loosen up the defense, and it has been our worst quarter for the year. Our late game/quarter execution is some of the worst in the league. We don't create open looks, we don't space the floor, and we don't even get the ball to our best players in even decent position. OUR close games have been luckier than others because we DON'T close teams out. If you want to say there is some element of being tough and gritty that helps win close games, I'll go with you on it. But given our deplorable end game execution and fourth quarters as a whole, wouldn't it be contradictory to say we have that?

@Keith
How did they win "that little spat"? Are you thinking Brooks put them back in because he gave in? Or, was the punishment over? The lesson wasn't for this game but for future games.

@lilrip133
I think it's nice to see Brooks trying something that makes any sense (actually holding people accountable for their effort), but it just didn't work. Obviously KD/Green won that little spat, because the Thunder got creamed in the third, which doesn't help the lesson, so give it up before it costs you the game.

Something definitely needs to change. Our guys simply aren't playing like they have in the past, not enough heart or leadership. Maybe Brooks needs to be a lot more heavy-handed more often. If it costs us wins now but makes up for them with better play during the rest of the season, I'm all for it. But if it keeps backfiring, you have to change your tactic.

James :The team isn’t playing with near as much passion as they did last year. Particularly KD. His demeanor is more laid back but he hasn’t been giving the consistent effort that he gave last year. I haven’t gotten that from Green as much but Green played bad last night. Boozer was doing what ever he wanted to. I don’t blame Brooks at all. He’s trying to get his teams attention. I don’t mind it at all.

Green was bad offensively, but when has he EVER been good defensively or on the glass against any quality bigs? If you keep putting someone in a position to fail, they're bound to fail.

I know the saying goes if it ain't broke don't fix it, but by the 6 minute mark of the 3rd it was obviously broke, so at least put KD back in and try to fix it.

@Anonymous
A last second shot has a less than 50% chance of going in against a decent defensive team. So yes, last second shots have quite an element of luck. Kobe hit 7 or 8 game winning shots last year. He missed close to 20 shots within the last minute of games. Clutch has mathematically been shown not to exist the way fans see it. Does that take away the shot? No, they still made it, just like we are still 14-8. Every fan watching this team should be able to realize we were better, as a whole, last year, when we defended significantly better. Luck plays a part in everyone's season - that can't be denied.

Also, there have already been articles written that show the near insignificant correlation between win-loss record in close games and win-loss record overall. When it comes down to one or two possessions to decide the game, the game is basically a toss-up.

To put it in perspective, another team that had an inordinate number of close wins, who had a very good record, but who had a less than expected point differential: the Dallas Mavericks of last year. They were the second seed, but lost in the first round. Apparently they weren't quite as good as their record would have indicated either.

The team isn't playing with near as much passion as they did last year. Particularly KD. His demeanor is more laid back but he hasn't been giving the consistent effort that he gave last year. I haven't gotten that from Green as much but Green played bad last night. Boozer was doing what ever he wanted to. I don't blame Brooks at all. He's trying to get his teams attention. I don't mind it at all.

@Anonymous
Here's the thing: many factors which are mathematically more related to luck than skill have worked in the Thunder's favor. We've won an inordinate number of close games, for example, a statistic that was shown to have no correlation to team talent or total win-loss record. Our defense has left a great deal wanting, and defense is the backbone of consistency in this league. And then there is the eye test. We don't put teams away because our 4th quarter is our worst quarter in nearly every game. We have gotten thoroughly beaten by two of the worst teams in the league. Our coach has repeatedly made confusing (and ultimately wrong) decisions on the court.

We are 14-8. Nothing will take that away from us. I love that we are riding a great record right now. But 14-8 equates to a 52 win season. We didn't win 52 games last year, and we were a better overall team. Our offense is exactly as good/bad as it was last year, but our defense is significantly worse.

No one is saying our guys haven't worked for these victories (well, I'll say they don't seem to work hard defensively), but saying we won completely on our superior execution and effort, when every night we see a lack of those things, seems just as off as claiming it is all luck.

@Anonymous

It's been explained before, we've probably won more close games than we deserved to win - two of the close games alone were won only because an opponent missed an open last second attempt on a defensive breakdown.

Those close wins will even out as the season goes most likely.

We're 14-8 but we have a negative point differential. Has there ever been a 50 win team with a negative point differential? I doubt it.

Bruno :

AC :Come on guys, stop with the hating…We are still 14-8, and that’s a better record that we have at this time of the season compare to last. I believe the Thunder will go to Western conference final!!! Mark my word!

man, it’s not hatin, it’s just wanting this team to perform better, that’s all.
everybody in their right minds knows that this team is much better than it’s playing and we’re all sad and irritated.
ok, I agree that KD and Jeff weren’t playing with all that much energy, but does that matter?
in the end, they’re just better basketball players than their replacements and it’s the coaching staff’s responsibility to motivate those guys and to build an offensive and defensive scheme that utilizes them to the best of their capabilities.
does that happen? obviously no.

I'm actually really worried now about this other AC. How does that happen? And if you must use the same name as me, could you at least use proper grammar, like "compared" and "mark my words" ?

@Mrs. Daily Thunder
I can't explain it, but I didn't actually write that last post (unless I blacked out sometime this morning). Could it be possible that someone else who reads this blog has the same initials as me????

But I agree with the imposter AC albeit less emphatically. I'm positive that the Thunder will be fine long-term with the talent and leadership on this team and in the front office. Short-term, I think it might take us a little longer to figure everything out than a normal NBA team because everyone is so young (our superstars, coach, and front office), they just haven't had a lot of experience dealing with expectations, hardship, the lack of a functioning center, etc.

AC :
Come on guys, stop with the hating…We are still 14-8, and that’s a better record that we have at this time of the season compare to last. I believe the Thunder will go to Western conference final!!! Mark my word!

man, it's not hatin, it's just wanting this team to perform better, that's all.

everybody in their right minds knows that this team is much better than it's playing and we're all sad and irritated.

ok, I agree that KD and Jeff weren't playing with all that much energy, but does that matter?

in the end, they're just better basketball players than their replacements and it's the coaching staff's responsibility to motivate those guys and to build an offensive and defensive scheme that utilizes them to the best of their capabilities.

does that happen? obviously no.

DSYIII :My Thunder Christmas List:1. Replace Brooks with veteran X’s and O’s Coach2. Let KD rediscover the swagger he had at the world championships.3. Start Serge Ibaka4. Start James Harden5. Trade Jeff Green and expiring contracts for an interior presence.6. Let Cole Aldrich be much better than he’s looked thus far.

^ Obviously someone who hasnt watched many Thunder games... Thabo will remain the starter but Scott Brooks does remain a liability down by 9 with 1 minute left and after Bulls turn it over he benches the starters and brings in the bench.

Maynor is having a rough season and has not been producing but seemed like he was playing all thrid Qtr and the last minute of the forth, Please Give Ivey some of his minutes to see what he can do.

@AC

If this were on Facebook I would "like" your comment. Thanks for being positive!

@Sammy

I blame me too.

I think we are good. I don't understand why we can't find a way to use our talent more effectively or consistently. We have enough talent on this team to make any coach look good. We could be terrifying if we put it together, and that's with some glaring and obvious holes in the middle.

Boozer is good and all, but I don't consider that a passable excuse. The Lakers are probably one of the worst matchups in the league for us and we acquitted ourselves well. Sure, Pau averaged 18/13 on us, but we still found a way to be competitive and contain the damage. Boozer is no Pau, Noah is no Bynum and Gibson is no Odom.

Come on guys, stop with the hating...We are still 14-8, and that's a better record that we have at this time of the season compare to last. I believe the Thunder will go to Western conference final!!! Mark my word!

Good lord, you guys have a loose trigger finger. Fire brooks, trade KD, trade Green...headache! Obviously something has got to change or something has got to give to get this team back as a cohesive unit but how about we save those genius ideas until we're more than 10 ten minutes into the season.

@Ethan

We're not a 55 win team right now. We've gotten lucky...

If I didnt watch the games and read Royce's post and simply relied on the comments, I would think we haven't won a game yet. Certainly not on pace to win 55.

Zackery :
Seems like the Knicks are aggresively shopping around for a backup point guard. Is there anyone of the Knicks roster that the Thunder would be interested in Trading Maynor for?

No.

Dave :
Davis and Long are becoming unbearable. The excessive cheer-leading needs to stop.

I like how they called out Bogans for a travel on that three and then showed on the replay that it clearly wasn't.

@Dave

At least Long tries to be reasonable. Davis is just makes too many mistakes.

@jon

1st love? No. I never connected with the Hornets. I knew they were temporary. Plus the Thunder brand is looking pretty good.

andrew :@Royce YoungThey would come around. The people that are anti-register are the ones that would be useful to weed out.

People at work or who used public computers would likely not like the register option. Just sayin'.

Davis and Long are becoming unbearable. The excessive cheer-leading needs to stop.

@Daniel Hawaii

Apparently not. At least not at the 4. He's a nice 3, but totally out of position at the 4.

WannabeGM :I will never understand Scott Brooks.
Why did he bench KD?
Why does he still start Green at the 4? Look at Boozer’s stats. Green made him look like Hakeem the Dream.

Completely agree. Can't Brooks see that Jeff Green is just an atrocious defensive player? This time he had no excuse. Boozer is not bigger than him like so many other power forwards. This should've actually been a GOOD matchup for Green, but apparently there are no good matchups for Jeff Green.

Watching the Bulls run their offense was a beautiful thing. They had guys cutting and constant movement, and their guys always got in position for easy baskets. They had an actual offensive SYSTEM. And they don't even have an offensive-minded coach!

It blows my mind how bad our offense is, and there's no excuse for that, given the talent that we have. Everything we do is isolation. KD going 1 on 1, Russ going 1 on 1, Jeff trying to go 1 on 1 in the post, James going 1 on 1.

Other than that, we run plenty of pick and pop and pick and roll, but how often does that play actually work. Once in a while, Nenad will hit a jumper, or Russ will pull up and hit a jumper, but that's really all we ever get out of that play. No wonder we shoot such a poor percentage.

We need a new head coach. I can't believe this guy won Coach of the Year last season.

I will never understand Scott Brooks.

Why did he bench KD?

Why does he still start Green at the 4? Look at Boozer's stats. Green made him look like Hakeem the Dream. Why doesn't he play Ibaka at the 4? Green would log huge min, possibly backing up the 2, 3 (with Harden) and 4 (with Collison).

This is sad. Rose played the worst game he'll have all year and OKC still lost. The only positive continues to be Harden, who seems more aggressive.

However, Thabo is the clear-cut starter at the 2, at least for now.

Seattle isn't getting an NBA team. Not without shelling out some serious cash. And as we know, there just isn't the support there for it right now. Maybe in 20 years.

I have a random question for the Sonics fans turned Thunder fans. If this whole Hornets saga ends with the team moving to Seattle and converting to the Sonics, do you stick with OKC Thunder or do you revert back to your first love as a fan?

I am a once Sonic fan who followed the team to OKC, but the second Sonics come back to Seattle, adios Thunder!

Seems like the Knicks are aggresively shopping around for a backup point guard. Is there anyone of the Knicks roster that the Thunder would be interested in Trading Maynor for?

The most glaring problem with the Thunder is our defensive presence. The Thunder are not what they were last year defensively, without question. Our sloppier (yet still expected and taken for granted) defensive help rotation has led to weaker invidivual defensive play. We must improve both help defense, but on-the-ball defensse as well. Rebounding, too, needs augmentation. But this goes to the massively recognizable problem - lack of size underneath. I don't know if Cole Aldrich is the solution - I hope he is, but we're too weak underneath. Next, our offensive is too stagnant. As great as Russ is, I don't know if I can rely on him to carry the team. Sure, he's played well and carried the team without KD, but he's too predictable - he runs to the hoop or pulls up the same jumper that I don't trust to go in. The offensive, always, needs to run through KD. Perhaps trading Jeff for a better inside player is the answer. But the SG position needs improvement. Harden needs the ball in his hands to thrive - which does not add chemistry to the RW, KD tandem. The Thunder made great progress last year. Maybe soon it will be time for roster adjustments.

Nenad played the best game this season maybe because he played against 2 euro centers.He donimated Asik in FIBA.So why not give him more time to dominate this guy in the 2nd quarter?

qrex :@Royce
Young
Do you really think this loss was worse than the loss to the Jazz?

I kind of do. Mainly because the Jazz just played really, really good that night. The Bulls didn't do anything overly special. We were just bad.

I blame Mark for convincing me the Thunder might win this one. :)

I wish we were good.

@Royce Young
Do you really think this loss was worse than the loss to the Jazz?

Dorsey can do two things: rebound everything in sight, and put the fear of god into any player he takes exception to. Who do we have who can do either of those things?

I was at the game tonight in Chicago. I don't blame Brooks for the move. I blame him more for putting Durant and Green back in. Those guys were playing with no energy at all. Durant did not have a nice game, he had a few nice jumpers in the first half but he scored mostly garbage points toward the end. He did very little on the glass as well.

Something needs to change with this team. If it cost us the game so be it, I hope the message was sent. Close games will even out if we dont start playing better.

@Dan
My knowledge of assistant coaches is pretty limited. A Popovich clone would be fine with me though..

@DSYIII
Joey Dorsey is turrrrrrrible. He has played 26 games in 4 years.

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