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Monday Bolts – 11.8.10

A quick note: We are stopping production on the Air Congo shirt. We received word from ASM Sports which is Serge Ibaka’s representation that we were using an “unauthorized image” of Ibaka. While we totally disagree and in fact know that our shirt is entirely okay, we’re not printing any more because as much as we’d like to, we don’t have to money or resources to really battle for something like this. We’re kind of small time. It’s a shame that ASM doesn’t really get what they’re doing here by stopping a fan produced shirt, but it’s what we’ve got to do. Anyway, just for your information.

I’m sure you saw it over the weekend, but Darnell Mayberry had a great story about KD meeting Mr. President: “Soon after the supposed snub, Durant told his agents, brothers Aaron and Eric Goodwin, he would have liked to have met and played ball with the president. The agents turned their client’s wish into reality by using a connection to Obama’s special assistant and personal aide Reggie Love to secure a date. Love is a former Duke basketball player. The day happened to be one day after Durant’s grandmother’s 63rd birthday. And Barbara Davis received an unexpected and unforgettable birthday gift. She accompanied Durant and Durant’s mother, Wanda Pratt, to the Commander in Chief’s home court.”

From the Detroit Free Press on the rebuilding Pistons: “The one form of false hope is the “blow-up the team” method, trading away or releasing as many players as possible while stockpiling draft picks and players with large contract on the brink of expiration. After this process, the team will be full of young recent draft picks, and no hefty contracts to make future trades impossible. The Oklahoma City Thunder are too often cited for success with this method when they recently blew up their team in the trade that sent Ray Allen to Boston. Some say the draft picks were the key to success, but those are the people you need to ignore during this period of rebuilding.”

Scott Howard-Cooper of NBA.com: “Late Thursday night in Portland is exactly why the Thunder will survive the tough times, and there have definitely been some of those in the 3-2 start. Two offensive rebounds on the final Oklahoma City possession of regulation led to the Serge Ibaka basket inside that forced overtime. Jeff Green crashed into the seats to make a great save that helped the Thunder control the ball, and the clock, late in overtime. Point guard Westbrook towered in the lane for the defensive board that helped seal the victory. The bright light on Kevin Durant as a worldly star continues, but internally, the entire franchise knows the surge into the lead pack of the Western Conference is built on grit and a roster that has to be ordered away from the practice court on off days to get rest.”

Celtics Hub with some thoughts.

CetlicsBlog.

How the Boston bench made the difference: “The deep Celtic bench was in charge of holding the lead, but Russell Westbrook sparked his club to a quick 9-0 run and then Kevin Durant got into the mix as well, keying another 13-2 spurt to finish the third quarter. The Thunder held the Celtics without a field goal for the last four minutes of the third and cut the lead to nine heading into the fourth. OKC wasn’t done either. James Harden knocked down a 3 to start the fourth and just like that, OKC had Boston’s lead to six with an entire quarter to go. That’s where Doc Rivers did something interesting. He didn’t call timeout. And he didn’t put his starters back in. Instead, he trusted his bench.”

Darnell Mayberry: “Really, did any of this come as a shock with the way the Thunder had performed in each of its first five games? When the same offensive and defensive problems that we’ve seen all season make their way into a game against a top three team, even if its just for stretches, blowouts happen.”

Berry Tramel: “Ever see one of those Tarantino films, where nothing is in order? Non-linear, they call it. That’s the Thunder. Everything’s out of order. It’s all a jumbled mess, which for the second straight Sunday night at the arena formerly known as the Ford Center describes the team formerly known as the NBA’s newest hot thing.”

Russell Westbrook: “It’s the fifth game, sixth game, no need to panic,” said Russell Westbrook. “Last year, they thought we weren’t going to make the playoffs. So you can’t believe whoever they is. We’re going to get it right.”

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Haha @j-mo

I'm an attorney too, and was thinking the same thing. The shirt is really just on the edge of an attorney even being able to write you that letter, but they probably can. Of course, you're right in that they probably lose. But I encourage j-mo to represent you for cheap or free, because I still haven't bought an Air Congo shirt and want one. :)

@Doug

Agree with the statement of problems. Agree with the solutions though I might still play Durant some at PF and I'd keep a slightly more open mind on #4. Not likely anything will tempt Presti enough to use Green in a trade during the season though I'd listen to what was offered for anybody but Durant. For Westbrook or Ibaka they'd really have to wow you to listen.

As a fan of the NBA I truly enjoy watching the Thunders play. They have a lot of talent but there are several things so far that haven troubled me from enjoying them as a fan.

1. Lack of offence
2. Lack of passing the ball and generating assist...
3. No bench this season
4. No defense

Here are my thoughts of how to fix the above problems:

1. KD play the small forward position only... stop the TO's.

2. Westbrook, focus on helping other players to get into the offence. More assist are needed. (Keep up the great work on the rebounds)

3. Harden, shoot the ball! as a shooting guard please watch Ray Allen and the way he shoots the ball every time he touches the ball. We drafted you 3rd last year as a #2... as a shooting guard... shoot the dam ball. The game against Boston he shot 2 times... made both but only shot 2 times... James you need to be shooting 15 to 20 times a game...

4. Time to start looking at some trade options... by the way, Jeff Green is having a good season... do "not" trade Green...

I'm sure I'm not the only attorney that reads DT is what I meant to say.

Royce, I'm an attorney (and I'm sure I'm not the only one). Email me if you are interested in talking about what you can do with the Air Congo thing.

Besides free throws what are the best ways to use possessions? The shots from specific players that had FG% over 60% this season.

FG% over 60% this season

at the rim
Ibaka
Green
Durant

5-10 feet
Ibaka

10-15 feet
nobody

16-23 feet
Harden

3 point land
nobody even close

FG% over 60% last season

at the rim
Ibaka
Green
Durant
Collison
Krstic
Sefolosha

5-10 feet
Ibaka

10-15 feet
nobody

16-23 feet
nobody

3 point land

nobody
but Harden, Durant and Maynor(fairly close)

If you build an offense, sure make getting free throws a priority, but also try to get more of these shots. Notice also what player shots are not on these lists.

@John-o

I agree that Brooks is usually pretty good coming out of a timeout. Last season, he had his moments where he'd just call ISO-Durant, but he's definitely drawn up some good plays during key timeouts.

Wish we'd see something more coherent during the other 47 minutes 30 seconds of the game.

DizzyDai :
We usually run a set play off of timeouts. So, I’d agree with Royce.

Agreed - the alternative is for you watch the Warriors come out of a Timeout during the Nelson era. Then you'll see what 'wasted time out' really means.

I think CJ Watson said it best when he told a reporter that (paraphrasing) 'coach doesn't say anything during a timeout - he just scratches his head.'

@Jax Raging Bile Duct

I'm not going to belabor the point because we're on the same page. Nomenclature isn't what's important.

The few things we do in the halfcourt are not effective because we only do a few things. We run PnP when both Westbrook and Nenad are on the court, but we rarely see it with any other combos (why is that anyway?) We run Durant off screens. We kick it to Green when help defense leaves him open. We ISO Durant and expect him to create something.

There isn't a lot of depth or variety, and there doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason concerning what's done and when. That really limits the effectiveness.

And while I agree we don't necessarily need something on the same order of magnitude as the triangle or some other complicated motion offense, we don't have any plays that meet the criteria I posted above besides the PnP.

That's very restrictive. And the lack of structure allows our team to easily slip into bouts of undisciplined play which very rarely plays in our favor.

If you want to call an ISO or a single player coming off a screen a play, that's fine. It's definitely a tool that should be used in an offense. I'm not arguing against that. But those are very simplistic and easy to plan for situations. Hard to imagine us having much post-season success with the level of defensive scrutiny the other team will apply if that's all we throw out there.

I think we both agree on that, nomenclature aside :)

@Mark!

You could say that about any play in the league though. Everyone runs the PnR or PnP for that reason, even if you know it's coming it's hard to stop. It's still a matchup based league where the best athlete wins man on man.

Ray Allen and Rip Hamilton have made great careers coming off screens as their primary play. Dumping the ball on the block to Shaq isn't much of a play, but it puts the ball in the hands of your best man on man matchup for an efficient shot.

I don't think you have to have the complexity of a Rick Carlisle offense or the multiple screen/movement Jazz flex offense in order to qualify as a play, just a way to put the ball in the hands of a player who is winning their matchup in the proper place on the floor.

You know... Steve Nash style.

I don't undestand why brooks doesn't shake up the rotation a bit. This one isn't working a lot and I think JG coming off the bench is better than Harden. Maybe then Harden can find a groove while he's on the floor with Westbrook and KD.

@Mark!

By the way, other teams are starting to figure out how to defend against Durant running through screens to. Whenever Durant starts running through the screens, they grab him. Artest did this like crazy during the playoffs and got away with it. This season, Batum and Pierce did the same and also got away with it.

We'll be seeing more of it now. Get used to it... we didn't get a lot of exposure last year and caught some teams by surprise, but the Lakers spent the time examining us and figured it out. You don't always have the luxury of in depth game planning during the regular season, but in the postseason, you can focus all your time on one opponent and weaknesses get exposed.

Other teams are copying the Lakers template and it's been reasonably effective IMO. Against the rules, but it looks like the refs have put a moratorium on calling fouls for the Thunder to keep us from shattering FTA records.

@Jax Raging Bile Duct

I think creating options is a necessary component of the definitions. Having Durant run through screens isn't really maximizing effectiveness because it can be planned against. There isn't anything else going on, no other options. The Lakers did a pretty good job of coralling Durant when we ran those screens because they knew he was the only option. He still scored some points because he's unbelieveable, but I wouldn't encourage that behavior by putting them on the same level.

if we lose to the 76ers or the wolves id be more worried or if we still are .500 at the end of dec, but i only expected a 5-7 start which is still realistic

@Thundurrrr
it could be a rough year but we are 6 games into the season and making the playoffs is still possible, even at 41-41 its still possible. the west has much more parity now, look at the east last year a .500 team is playoff material.

@Thundurrrr
yeah if we play like we have we will lose, but we could beat them with our roster if we played better, shooting under 40% is not presti's fault.

we traded up to get aldrich. I wish we got a big name player but we didnt but our current performance isnt because we have a bad roster

@Mark!

You might go with "a basketball play is planned movement that results in an open shot". Which is really what a PnP or PnR is anyway, it just so happens that there are two options, one of which could have an open shot.

I would even change that definition to be "a basketball play is planned movement that results in an efficient shot", because a back to the basket shot from a player posting up 4 feet from the rim is a good shot, contested or not.

I know im on the negative side, but we have to face reality we did not improve our team while the rest of the west did..it could be a rough year and making the playoffs is a longshot

f5alcon :@Thundurrrr

right because houstons 1-5 start shows how great they are with the talent they have. Dallas is 3-2, utah 3-3 and memphis 3-4. So with better talent they are basically even with us. So 6 teams in the west have more talent than a team that is only 2 seasons removed from 23 wins, thats actually pretty good, means w leapfrogged 8 other teams

We've already lost to 2 winless teams, and i hate to say this but when we face Dallas,Houston,Memphis they are looking at us as a must win, and will pound us inside, this next week will say alot, and im telling you right now those 3 teams are out of our league, it's gonna be a rough season..however i hope the thunder prove me wrong and turn it around, also all the teams you mentioned improved their teams in the offseason while we added Cook, and mo pete.....

@7

To be fair, half of our timeouts this season have been the "that last bucket means we're at the losing end of a 10-0 run, and since the players aren't doing anything to stop the momentum, looks like I'll have to" variety.

The amount of overrrrreaction on this thread is hilarious.

BTW, I've seen a few people post that while we don't run many plays, we do run some plays for Durant.

Do we though? I always thought a basketball play was planned movement that resulted in options on offense. Having Durant roll off screens to catch and shoot is not a play in that sense because there aren't any options created during the play. The other team knows what's coming, Durant just makes the shot anyway. That isn't a play, that's just Durant getting open, shooting the ball and making the other team look foolish because he's a superstar.

Same thing with isolating Green in the post or passing him the ball on the perimeter because the other team stopped guarding him. ISO's are not really plays because they don't create options. And Green becoming open because a defender leaves him (he doesn't usually move a muscle out there) doesn't count either.

The only real play I see us run on a regular basis are PnP with Westbrook/Krstic because Westbrook has the option to come off the screen and score or dish to Krstic. It's a simple play, but it's still a play.

We do run plays coming out of key timeouts, but those are clear exceptions and not the rule.

@Thundurrrr
right because houstons 1-5 start shows how great they are with the talent they have. Dallas is 3-2, utah 3-3 and memphis 3-4. So with better talent they are basically even with us. So 6 teams in the west have more talent than a team that is only 2 seasons removed from 23 wins, thats actually pretty good, means w leapfrogged 8 other teams

Haha how'd I get lumped in with Thundurrrrrr? Lol. All I was trying to say was a shakeup in rotation might wake some guys up. And the timeout thing is something I have noticed for a while now--just wondering if anyone had the same thoughts. Guess not!

Thunder UP

Crow :
@Mark!
I wouldn’t want to stretch the Harden or Maynor as Curry-like stuff too far. I agree the right strategy is to max their impact here, be their best selves here for what is needed, not actually try to be someone else. I just used Curry temporarily as a reference point to suggest that they have internal options that could be somewhat like Curry. Trying to focus on actual options for change and maybe payoff.

Wasn't harden selcted so early because of his "all around game" and "high basketball iq" i agree he needs to try to be more of a playmaker, he'll never be stephen curry but he needs the ball more

@DizzyDai

He might fade out then get another shot or two later.

How he reacts will affect things. I would not be surprised if he gets upset in public but I wouldn't recommend it.

@Crow

The way things look now, he's flat open without moving. He doesn't even need to come off a screen to get an open shot.

But I agree he should be running screens. If we aren't planning on running plays to get him involved, he at least needs to be running around the halfcourt and making whoever is defending him chase him. Allen got to rest and cheat the lane last night while Harden stood idle.

Not a good game plan.

@Mark!

Anyway, who we have in Harden and not Curry. It doesn't matter now.

IMO, the biggest problem with Harden is how we use him, not his lack of talent.

@f5alcon

If we had Curry, we wouldn't have Harden or Maynor. I'd bring Curry off the bench for ~30mpg at PG. Westbrook starts at PG and gets 18 minutes at that position and gets 18 minutes at SG while Curry is in the game.

Thabo can get his normal 20 mpg at SG and can start there just like he is now. The other 10 minutes left over at SG can be filled by spot minutes from Durant.

Durant gets another 28 minutes at SF which leaves 20 minutes for Green at SF. He can get his other 10-16 mpg at PF.

Basically:

Westbrook (18) / Curry (30)
Thabo (20) / Westbrook (18) / Durant (10)
Durant (28) / Green (20)

Looks fine to me. I love what Russ does off the ball. He's a decent spot up shooter and he's crafty with how he spends his time away from the ball. Durant plays well with two ball handlers in the lineup with him. And this frees up minutes for Green to play a little more at SF without overburdening Durant with too much time out of position. For now, if Durant is going to play out of SF, I'd rather it be spot minutes at SG than PF like he is now.

I don't know how good a shot Harden is off screens (I assume usually pretty good but that is a guess) but if he is or was good, run a few more of those. Whatever you can make work.

If it makes anyone feel better Daequan's minutes have been steadily declining.

1. 17:45
2. 15:46
3. 09:03
4. 13:34
5. 00:00
6. 05:17

@Mark!

I wouldn't want to stretch the Harden or Maynor as Curry-like stuff too far. I agree the right strategy is to max their impact here, be their best selves here for what is needed, not actually try to be someone else. I just used Curry temporarily as a reference point to suggest that they have internal options that could be somewhat like Curry. Trying to focus on actual options for change and maybe payoff.

Thundurrrr :

DizzyDai :
Look at the roster Brooks has to work with?!?! Seriously? Since when did we have a bad roster?

For instance dallas has Nowitzki at 4, chandler/haywood at 5...houston has Scola at 4, yao/b.miller at 5, even golden state has lee and beidrens

Thundurrrr :

DizzyDai :
Look at the roster Brooks has to work with?!?! Seriously? Since when did we have a bad roster?

Compare our roster to utah/houston/memphis/lakers/dallas/spurs/ and we are not even close in talent or experience

Compare our roster to utah/houston/memphis/lakers/dallas/spurs/ and we are not even close in talent or experience

You could even argue memphis/golden state has better roster/talent..at the 4-5 it's not even close we are so far behind the rest of the west at those positions it's sad...even the clippers have griffin and kaman..memphis has randolph/gasol...can anyone name a single team in the west that we wouldnt trade our starting 4 and 5 for their 4 and 5 straight up?

f5alcon :
@Mark!
if we had curry could he defend real SGs like roy, kobe, allen, wade? he would get eaten alive defensively, harden isnt a great defender but he at least has the size to be. curry/westbrook would be a tiny backcourt, about the same as maynor westbrook, would you start that combo?

Westbrook can defend any sg in my opinion his defense is one of his top assets, he singlehandedly disrupted the boston offense last night and golden state is sitting at 4-2 with curry-ellis backcourt, and im pretty sure westbrook is better defender than ellis

Thabo at career lows per minute on shots, FG%, 3 pt FG%, FTA but also at career highs on rebounds, nearly so on assists and by far his best turnover rate and A/TO. Hard to say how that is going to turn out long-run and by long-run I mean this full season and beyond.

DizzyDai :
Look at the roster Brooks has to work with?!?! Seriously? Since when did we have a bad roster?

Compare our roster to utah/houston/memphis/lakers/dallas/spurs/ and we are not even close in talent or experience

@Crow
id really like to see mo pete play, cant do any worse than what we are putting out there now

Westbrook's A/TO is down to 2.1.

Maynor 20% less time than last season and less than half the assists. Harden same amount of time but also half the assists. I'd give them most or all of Cook's time and see what happens. Or give Mo Pete a look.

Durant's A/TO is near 0.4. Green 0.3. 1 to 1 is looking pretty good right now. If they can get back to it.

@Mark!

if we had curry could he defend real SGs like roy, kobe, allen, wade? he would get eaten alive defensively, harden isnt a great defender but he at least has the size to be. curry/westbrook would be a tiny backcourt, about the same as maynor westbrook, would you start that combo?

Look at the roster Brooks has to work with?!?! Seriously? Since when did we have a bad roster?

do we know how long green will be out, if it is awhile then maybe harden will be more agressive

@Crow

But neither of them were anywhere near the level of Curry as an creator on offense. And that's fine. My point is that I don't think we're leveraging "what we're stuck with." I think we have a lot of talent that is being underutilized (like Harden) or misused (like Green.)

I think we'd be having a different discussion if we actually ran an offense. As it stands, unless you are in the upper echelon of ISO players, you won't be productive in our current "system." Just because Harden isn't a standout NBA ISO all-star doesn't mean we're stuck with a bad or unuseful talent. We just aren't finding ways to use his strengths.

That seems like a poor decision.

In pre=season Harden played 30 minutes, got 7 FGAs, about 2 trips to the line and made about 3 assists.

In the regular season he is getting 22 minutes, 5 shots, 1 trip to the line and 1 assist.

The shots look minute-proportional but the trips to the line and assists are down. The best way to improve those are to play a bit more with the ball.

@Thundurrrr
it is way too early to assume we miss the playoffs, the way the league is shaping up 45 wins is probably enough to make the playoffs maybe even less.

Could presti and brooks made better choices, yes, but brooks making changes is a lot easier then presti going out and getting a post scorer rebounder.

@Thundurrrr

You would benefit from evaluating Presti's drafts by comparing them to the drafts of other teams as well. You might also check on a few articles about draft position over on basketball reference. So far the Thunder are about normal with their talent turnout. We even have a token over achiever in Serge, and a surprise pick in Russell. We have the average performer in Green, and statistically speaking, we have the underachiever in Harden. All of this is way to early to call, but if current trends continue, it will be true.

Hardin, Mullens, Weaver, White and Vaden (and Reid and Williams) are turning out exactly like they're supposed to for their draft position.

@Mark!

Harden was credited for being a creator in college. Maynor was a pretty big time shooter / creator in college. I was suggesting you could try to give them roles more like they had in college. It might not work but you could look at it a little more. Or else you are stuck with what you've got.

I just wish Presti would make a move to help the team, we needed to add a rebounding big man this summer badly, we also needed a veteran scorer, we got neither and now were gonna miss the playoffs...im gonna self ban myself now cause my negativity is bad for the fans, and this site, go thunder hopefully next year will be better.. at least durant is locked up only bright spot this summer/season...fire presti, keep brooks.. GO THUNDER

@Jax Raging Bile Duct

BTW, I thought you might've missed my merchant of reason comment a few days back. <3 you

Mark! :@Jax
Raging Bile Duct I hope I didn’t insinuate a lack of support for Brooks or Presti (not to be so self-inflated as to assume everything is directed squarely at me .

Of course not. We lose a couple of games and Thundurrrr and 7 think the world ends at the hands of Brooks and Presti.

@Crow

How would using Harden or Maynor like Curry prove or provide anything? Harden is a spot up shooter, not a creator. Asking him to create for himself is precisely the problem he's facing right now. Why not leverage the strengths of the players we have instead of trying to get them to be someone else? Asking Maynor to play like Curry is just as fruitless as asking Durant to play like Lebron, which happens to be another stupid thing we're trying out.

If we ask Harden to be Curry and he fails, would that somehow prove that Curry would have failed too?

Our team should be focusing on maximizing the effectiveness of the group of players we have and we don't see to be doing that. Even though I'm squarely in the camp that we should've taken Curry over Harden or that we should've made a move to get David Lee this offseason, I'm not fooling myself into believing that having those players instead of what we have would make any difference in the current situation.

I think whoever we had, Curry/Lee or Harden/Green or whoever else you can imagine, would be equally misused as our current cast of talented players.