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Monday Bolts – 11.1.10

Darnell Mayberry: “The first points of the game for the Thunder came on a long 2-point attempt by Jeff Green off a feed from Russell Westbrook. Long 2-pointers have long been described as the worst shot in basketball, and the Thunder spent the rest of the first half trying to live by them. OKC missed nine of its next 10 shot attempts, many of them long jumpers. The one easy bucket the Thunder got in that stretch was a reverse layup by Nenad Krstic off a pretty feed by Westbrook. But of course, it was waived off because Krstic traveled. That about summed up the kind of night it was for the Thunder.”

The Tulsa 66er roster is filling out FanHouse says: “The Oklahoma City Thunder-owned Tulsa 66ers will also be strong, returning six players from a team that made it to the D-League finals last season along with three of the players the Thunder released during their own training camp. They may have a bit of a logjam in the backcourt, however, as Zabian Dowdell (Phoenix Suns), Mustafa Shakur (New Orleans Hornets), Tweety Carter (Thunder) and Jerome Dyson (Thunder) all spent time playing point guard in NBA training camp this fall.”

Deron Williams on Russell Westbrook: “He’s a really good young player, man. He’s always had some good games against me as well. He’s just very athletic, quick — he’s one of the fastest guys in the NBA. He’s always improving something. They said he can’t shoot; he worked on his shooting and now he can shoot. It’s just tough to guard him. If he gets out in transition, it’s tough to stop him. Halfcourt, pick and rolls, it’s tough to stop him. He’s finding ways to get everybody involved. He’s becoming a better floor general. He’s a scary player.”

A nice NBA Western conference blog preview.

OKC as title contenders?

Marc Stein’s power rankings have OKC at seven: “Will too much be made of OKC’s first real test of the season (home date with desperate Utah) resulting in its first disappointment of the season (21-point humbling)? In the world of inflated expectations? Of course.”

Shoals on Jeff Green’s non-extension: “So wait, does that put the onus on Jeff Green to take less money now, lest the new CBA drive down even further the amount the Thunder “can” offer him? Unless he wants to be the one who tears the Thunder apart. Whether or not he finds himself in that bind depends on how much progress he makes this season. Either way, it seems like he’s being pressured to take less money now, the future be damned. At least it keeps him on the Thunder, and guarantees him a known quantity of cash (as opposed to this post-CBA world we all fear). Or maybe it’s just his duty as a member of that team to, well, take one for the team. Wouldn’t that be cute.”

Zach Harper on the odd double-foul from last night: “I’m conflicted on how to view the result of this play. It seems impossible there could be a charge and a block on the same contact. It almost has to be one or the other. At the same time, you can’t just waive the infraction because there was definitely a foul on the play. The most ideal resolution would have been for Bill Spooner to come in and make the decision one way or the other. Instead, both sides seemed angry and confused at the call.”

Mike Prada thinks we should be concerned.

Berry Tramel relaying why KD signs autographs before each game: “Why does Durant do it? “I put myself in their shoes,” Durant said. “That means a lot to people. Just showing my fans, letting them know I’m a nice guy to talk to.” Sunday night, Durant signed a few autographs, then went back down the line to pose for a photo. “I think it’s cool to have the pictures,” said Bobby Bingham of Chickasha, who shot a photo of his son, six-year-old Brayden, and nephew, eight-year-old Aiden Nickles, with Durant. Bingham said Durant, Jeff Green, Russell Westbrook and Nick Collison are good autograph signers. “The younger guys are harder to get.”

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@justin
That is a steal. Maybe that will convince Jeff Green to stick around for cheap..... much to your chagrin

@justin

Yep. I'm mildly depressed.

5/60 for Horford is a steal. That's amazing.

Its been three games ............

I think Ibaka has regressed on the defensive end in the early going. I'm sure it's hard to practice defense in the offseason. The best way to improve is to go against NBA competition and that's harder to do in the offseason. I'm sure he'll get better but last night he didn't move his feet well at all. He seems to have occasional games where he spaces out somewhat. He just couldn't get in a flow last night.

Milsap has one move and that's all he needs. He either shoots the midrange jumper (which isn't a move), or he fakes the midrange jumper and goes to the hole. I think sometimes less is more. He's perfected that while Jeff Green is average at a bunch of stuff.

I noticed Greg Oden isn't being offered. Oden and Durant would be fun.

@Mark!
I'm with you. I'm done thinking about trade scenarios. Not because new assets would rot on the bench, but because we have the two-deep talent to win any Western Conference series. Cole looks ready, Serge is improved, Jeff is a beast against backups, and Westbrook is probably a true #2 now. There are no real holes in the roster, and chemistry is difficult to manufacture.

I consider last night somewhat of a watershed. We witnessed the void between what Brooks wants this team to be and who they are. As fans, we just want our team to succeed. It's pretty easy for us to see what's working and ask for more of it. As a coach and someone who played in the league--played a tough role as backup PG--Brooks has a lifetime of leanings and philosophies that fuel his decisions. Plus, he works with these players everyday, and their practice habits and personalities mean just as much as their in-game performance. It seems appropriate that Brooks favors the smart, hard-practicing guy (Green) over the raw freak (Ibaka). But he hasn't made that mistake with Westbrook and Maynor--he's actually given Russell more latitude, and it's worked. I doubt that's lost on Brooks.

My stance right now: Brooks is a patient person. He isn't a good offensive coach, but he had some plans and goals for this season and he deserves to see his ideas play out. Nobody cares more about his job than himself, so I doubt we'll start seeing losses pile up without noticeable lineup changes. We all know the value of small sample sizes, and Brooks just needs a few more box scores' worth of numbers to realize he was wrong.

I'm not interested in making any trades or using assets on new players anymore.

It would be a waste of time and money until our coaching staff decides to wake up.

Misusing Green on offense, undisciplined halfcourt passing, small-ball baloney, and bull-headed stubbornness on using rotations that don't work when other options exist.

Hoping for transition buckets and asking your players to force the issue to draw fouls do not qualify as primary strategies.

I don't see a reason to do anything until Brooks is called into accountability. Anything we acquire would just be misused or unused.

Brooks demonstrated a unique ability to get young players to buy into a tough defensive system last season. He needs an offensive minded assistant whose vision he can sell to the players.

Until then, why bother? We'd trade our assets for Jason Thompson or Nene only to watch that player ride the bench while Brooks blindly sticks to whatever bananas plan he's cooked up on his own.

Thomas :There are huge, structural and enduring problems with the offense. This isn’t last season when they could sneak up on people and win a lot of games on shear effort and force of will. When teams are ready for what you are doing you need an offense that is more that just long jumpers being heaved and expecting to get calls when you go into the paint. There was no motion at all off the ball last night and I think that’s why many of us who have watched them so far are troubled. Green, Harden and Kristic could all have played better. But they need to get quality open looks as well.

I see what you're saying. It would be nice if we had a motion style offense like Utah. Every player seemed to have an idea of where the ball should go next if they didn't have their shot. All the ball movement frustrated our guys and lead to some easy shots.

By contrast, when we get to the other end, KD runs around in circles trying to get a shot off of screens, while our 5 set's picks for Westbrook that never seem to lead to real pick-n-roll or pick-n-pop attempts. Meanwhile, everyone else just "spreads the floor." There are not back-door cuts, no cross-court ball movement and no real focus.

This is pretty much the same team as last year offensively, the same team that struggled to (but did) create offense against the Lakers and many others. It's not like they are not getting open looks. The looks are there. They just aren't falling.

But they will. I promise you they will.

My bigger concern is the defense, which has been lacking to say the least.

@kfmsooner
Bargnani and Kleiza aren't options because of their defense. Brand isn't a fit for a number of reasons (primarily age and contract). Tyrus Thomas doesn't meet the character requirement. Grant Hill is wayyy too old. McGee is very unavailable it seems. Chandler would likely be too expensive as a backup.

That leaves West, Nene, and Thompson. Thompson has some character issues himself, not like Thomas, but I still like his game and he has plenty of potential. And I'd love to have David West or Nene here for quite a few reasons. The ultimate pipe dream is still Kevin Love - for me at least.

I always love trade speculation and who would fit well with us...so here is some rampant speculation that I'll start. Who would you like to see from this list:

Andrea Bargnani
David West
Linas Kleiza
Elton Brand (14.7 ppg, 9 rpg, 2 bpg, 2.67 spg)
Tyrus Thomas
Grant Hill
Jason Thompson
Nene
JaVale McGee
Wilson Chandler

Bargnani would be interesting, but lack of defense would hurt him with us. I wouldn't mind seeing us add a SF and starting Ibaka and having Durant be the backup '4'. I don't think we could get McGee, but he'd be great. I liked Nene til I saw his career rebounding avg of 6.8 rpg. Brand has a very small sample, but very intereting even though his contract is ridiculous.

Speculate away...

Bob :

Bob :Did anyone see Davis Lee’s stats last night vs the Laker bigs WITHOUT Bynum? He sure would have helped us!

*helped us in the playoffs!
thats what i meant.

Wow...shutout against the Lakers...welcome to the West.

@Jax Raging Bile Duct

Holy cow... $60M/5Y is a great deal for Horford. That's the same value/length as Noah.

Bummer...

At this point of the season you can go from average to high or low or vice versa on many things with the next game results. But you might be surprised how much is pretty solid after 10 games and only moves slowly after that for a few teams.

http://twitter.com/#!/InsideHoops/status/293937533...

Atlanta Hawks have officially signed Al Horford to contract extension.

Well, there goes that pipe-dream.

I'm sure we'll hit our defensive stride at some point this season. We were consistent at defense last season, and we focus on defense so much in practice and preseason and training camp that I'm sure at some point we'll regain our form.

It's the offense that I don't believe has a chance of improving, because we have no real offensive system. We saw Brooks hint at that subject being addressed in training camp, but come to find out, it's just more of the same. The only system we have in place is a few off the ball screens and some ad hoc drive and kick. I'm not sure you can call transition offense a system.

KD's shot and Russell's penetration are our offense, with Jeff Green trying hard and no real low post scoring-at-the-rim threat. Harden seems to have no direction or idea what he wants to do with the ball. We need an offensive system.

Anonymous :

Joe :
They sucked last night. No doubt about it. No offense, only good defense was a stint in the third quarter when they were trapping and working the full court. But sheesh, it’s just one game and it’s a long season.
Any teeth gnashing, hand wringing or sights of the sky falling is a bit premature.

OKC is 29th in FG% and 25th in Opp FG% and 30th in 3PT% 28th in Opp 3PT%. The only thing keeping OKC in games is a HUGE FT shot difference and turnovers.

Ok, your right and I'm wrong. The sky is falling LOL.

I'm off to gnash my teeth and wring my hands for most of the day.

Strength of schedule as measured by polls or expectations would be different.

Another system SRS at basketball reference makes the Thunder schedule look even easier but these systems will be more meaningful after 10 games than right now.

There are huge, structural and enduring problems with the offense. This isn't last season when they could sneak up on people and win a lot of games on shear effort and force of will. When teams are ready for what you are doing you need an offense that is more that just long jumpers being heaved and expecting to get calls when you go into the paint. There was no motion at all off the ball last night and I think that's why many of us who have watched them so far are troubled. Green, Harden and Kristic could all have played better. But they need to get quality open looks as well.

@Bryan

Right now the Bulls rate as 23rd on team strength. Jazz 11th after the victory. Detroit 29th. 2 home games is a factor in ease of schedule. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nba1011.htm

Crow :By USA Today / Sagarin ratings the Thunder have had the 6th easiest schedule so far but that will fluctuate wildly early.

Nevermind... I'm sure that takes into account the fact that the Jazz were winless.... which is not indicative of the strength of that team.

Make that 5th easiest. About 3-4 points easier than average, considering opponent strength and home court advantage.

Crow :By USA Today / Sagarin ratings the Thunder have had the 6th easiest schedule so far but that will fluctuate wildly early.

Sixth easiest? With the Bulls and Jazz in the first two games? I know they also had Detroit, but that doesn't seem to compute.

Hopefully this game was a wakeup call to our boys.

But here’s the thing. This team is shooting 20% from three on the season. When open shot’s aren’t falling it makes everything harder. But those stats cannot persist. They may never be a great 3pt shooting team, but those numbers will come up. And when they do, everything else will get easier. Opposing teams won’t be getting so many rebounds, transition buckets and total points (Thunder are 26th in points allowed so far). The Thunder’s dismal assist totals (29th) will come up as well.

By USA Today / Sagarin ratings the Thunder have had the 6th easiest schedule so far but that will fluctuate wildly early.

@justin
That was my first comment to my GF last night, about missing Ron Adams on defense. I really believe that.

Bob :
Did anyone see Davis Lee’s stats last night vs the Laker bigs WITHOUT Bynum? He sure would have helped us!

*helped us in the playoffs!

thats what i meant.

Did anyone see Davis Lee's stats last night vs the Laker bigs WITHOUT Bynum? He sure would have helped us!

The sky isn't falling but it's frustrating that much of the same problems that hurt the team last season, and in the preseason, are manifested in the first three regular season games. Worse than they were last year in many cases.

The players might improve, but the game plan and coaching direction should have also, and that doesn't seem to case. I think the team will miss Ron Adams a ton when all is said and done.

They sucked last night. No doubt about it. No offense, only good defense was a stint in the third quarter when they were trapping and working the full court. But sheesh, it's just one game and it's a long season.

Any teeth gnashing, hand wringing or sights of the sky falling is a bit premature.

Harden's tweets are all really depressing, and he tweets rather late at night.

I wanna see Ibaka vs. Griffin. and Aldrich vs. Kaman. The first one tickles my fansy

@Anonymous

Harden has been underwhelming this year. No one is stepping up (even though Maynor has played solidly) at ALL. Green, KD, and Russ are being expected to score ALL our points and if they are off then we'll just get crushed (see Utah). Thabo, Nenad, James, and Cook have all contributed nothing on offense.

@Anonymous
Above comment was me.

I don't even want to imagine the huge stats Blake Griffin in going to put up on Green next game....

Hey at least we are still above .500.

I don't want to overreact, but the seeming lack of any organized offensive sets through 3 games is starting to trouble me...