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Celtics hold down the Thunder, 92-83

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The game was over at halftime. The Celtics led 58-37 and really, Oklahoma City couldn’t have looked worse. Playing a team like the Celtics, there really wasn’t a ton of hope that the Thunder could overcome their first half issues and get back in a game against a quality club like Boston.

Yet, they kind of did.

Russell Westbrook sparked a 9-0 run in the third quarter, basically by himself. He attacked, played with fire on the defensive end and did everything he could to get his guys going. The Thunder cut the deficit to 13. Westbrook then tried to do way too much, hoisting two bad shots and turning it over once. Boston went on a 7-0 run to respond and Scott Brooks called a timeout. Westbrook re-harnessed the energy and OKC closed the quarter on a 13-2 run, cutting the lead to nine heading to the fourth quarter. And with a James Harden 3 to start things off, the Thunder had the game to six with a whole quarter to play.

The Thunder held the Celtics without a field goal for five straight minutes and outshot them 58 percent to 35 percent in the quarter. The Thunder held Boston to 15 points and much like the Portland game, really looked to be turning things around late in the third by cranking up the defensive intensity and finding some flow offensively.

Except unlike the Blazer game Thursday, the Thunder played a far worse first half and dug themselves a bigger hole that they couldn’t get out of. The comeback was admirable, but really, the bad offense, the uninspired defense and total lack of security with the ball is what stands out from this game. In the first half, the Thunder turned it over 13 times (18 for the game). They had just six assists in the first half (Rajon Rondo had seven). And while allowing Boston to shoot 56.1 percent, the Thunder hit just 36.8 percent. More of the same, more of the same.

I did like how Westbrook really took it on himself to get his team going. His little jumpstart of the Thunder also really got KD going who shot 5-6 in the quarter. Between the two, they scored all 27 points for OKC in the third. And overall, Durant had his best game of the season hitting 11-22 from the floor, 2-3 from 3 and 10-11 from the line for 34 points. To start the fourth, Durant was 10-16 from the field but finished the game hitting his last 1-6. Maybe he was a little gassed or maybe the Celtics really locked down. It wasn’t an ideal finish, but at the very least, we saw a return of the dynamic, unstoppable offensive force that is The Durantula.

NOTES:

  • Westbrook has a nice double-double with 16 points and 10 assists, but he had eight turnovers to go with it. The first half was where it was bad, as he turned it five times. He was out of control and forcing things way too much. Rondo does a terrific job of getting his hands on everything and it really disrupted Westbrook.
  • I’m not going to sit here and say Jeff Green would’ve made a difference in this game. Well, actually I am. I’m firmly on the fence about where I think Green really fits, but it’s hard not to think in the first half where OKC was craving some kind of offensive spark that Green couldn’t have dumped in 10 points or so. Again, comparing this one to the Portland game, that’s what happened there. Green gave some offense and kept OKC closer than it should have been. It’s obviously not a sure thing, but here’s an example as to where Green could’ve helped.
  • Serge Ibaka started in place of Green and did a decent job – eight points, 11 rebounds in 36 minutes – but wasn’t a total gamechanger. Ibaka was the only plus on the team with a +7 though. He was solid on Kevin Garnett and did some good things in the post, but the Thunder’s not used to having a guy in Ibaka’s spot that isn’t a scoring threat. Most of Ibaka’s points come off of scraps, rebounds or deep assists. I’m a huge fan of Ibaka and eventually could see him as a starter, but in that role Sunday, he gets a grade of B-minus I’d say.
  • Again, I think we’re seeing the value of Nick Collison a bit now. His screens are terrific and really help space the offense, plus the little things he does defensively make a big difference. Hopefully he’s back soon.
  • Nenad Krstic played 41 minutes out of nowhere and had a nice little game with 13 points and eight rebounds.
  • Really, the Thunder bench cost them big time in this one. The Celtics second unit outscored OKC’s 33-12. James Harden hit two 3s and had six points and Eric Maynor scored six in the first half. Maybe an underrated aspect of Ibaka starting in place of Green was that the bench did have its usual umph to it because Ibaka couldn’t sub in and provide any kind of spark.
  • KD was whistled for a technical foul late in the game for being tangled with Paul Pierce. Basically, Pierce was holding Durant’s arm and the official saw it as Durant creating some post-whistle contact. Grant Long said Pierce walked by the scorer’s table and said “That’s a vet move. You know that.”
  • Remember last year when the NBA made that rule about players having to sit while they are on the bench? Nate Robinson doesn’t follow that rule at all. I guess he doesn’t get punished because the rule was made so fans sitting behind the seats could see and with Robinson, even if he’s standing that’s not a problem.
  • At times, I thought OKC’s offensive sets looked better with some good cutting and spacing. Then most of the other time, it was the stagnant, one-on-one stuff.
  • If you didn’t know by now, Russell Westbrook’s mid-range jumper is much better. But I think there’s a specific key to it. In the first half, Westbrook missed all four of the jumpshots he took. What I noticed is that he didn’t elevate on them. He shot the ball with a lot more upper body and because of it, there was no pace or rhythm to the jumper. When he doesn’t elevate, everything goes out of sync. His release loses timing, he doesn’t get squared and he hurries. In the second half, he got back to the high elevation jumper and started sinking them.
  • Another thing on Westbrook: Did you notice on his two breakouts in the second half where he was all alone he didn’t try and hammer home his dunks? He dunked them, but they were a little softer. I guess he’s learning that the two points are more important than a giant flush. (Speaking of, his almost-poster of Garnett in the second quarter was awesome.)

The Thunder really lost the game the last five minutes of the second quarter. They went without a field goal during that time and Boston outscored OKC 22-6 heading to halftime. At one point in the second quarter, the Thunder missed 11 straight shots. The main reason being, bad offense which equaled bad looks. The Celtics will do that to you though. They are downright bloodthirsty for a team that’s struggling to move the ball.

I’m kind of luke warm on this game honestly. Not really perturbed but definitely not encouraged. It sort of feels like OKC got beat by a better team but didn’t keep it as close as they should have. The loss isn’t unexpected, but the 21-point halftime deficit sort of was. If anything, the fact the Thunder hasn’t been extremely competitive at home the past two games is what’s most distressing. I think I’m giving them until the end of the month to really start figuring all this out. After that, then you might be able to color me concerned.

Next up: At home Wednesday against the 76ers.

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Trouble scoring without Green that is not really a surprise against Boston. It probably would have been much the same with him against them playing well. It could take more than 1 game to adjust and it probably will take more than 1 player to step up. Not expecting Harden or Ibaka for a big 3 role (yet) but 2 or more of Harden, Ibaka, Krstic and Maynor for something between their previously fairly or very minor roles and something more but still within their capacity.

@??50-58 wins??
If Green's ankle injury is serious he could miss several weeks. If it's not, he could still be held out for at least seven to maybe ten days. Assuming the latter, even money says we don't win again until he returns.

ThunderHorn :
I think its time to make the switch Ibaka/Harden for Green/Sef.
We are getting ZERO from the SG position currently, change things up and see if Harden can get going from the starting spot. I doubt Green would suddenly not be able to produce when he’s coming off the bench so we’d strengthen the bench and add scoring punch off of it. I think most believe he’d be a bigger factor off the bench.
Ibaka did pretty well in his first start.

Agree 100% green would be great off the bench, probably 6th man of the year, and right now we have nowhere near enough scoring to start sefolosha especially if green comes off the bench, Harden needs to grow up fast, and Ibaka gives me hope of a frontcourt that someday can help kd and russ..

the poor possessions on offense leads to the bad defense .. when we stop turning the ball over as much, forcing shots, taking 1 & 2 dribbles too many & shooting early shots, the defense will improve

This game, while terrible in the first half, I think shows not just flaws in the team but areas where a reasonable level of improvement can be expected. Primarily, the defense is lacking. The loss of Ron Adams likely contributed greatly. But as the offensive pace picked up and we scored easy buckets on breakaways the defensive intensity picked up. As this team hits a rhythm, stops taking bad shots, and starts moving the ball better, something I think will come as the season progresses (just like last year) we are a VERY capable team. But come playoffs, we must show an improved half-court offense, and I can't wait to have Mr. Collison taking charges again.

Sign Dampier Presti we need toughness and rebounding sooo bad, in the celtics-thunder preview thread a guy says we are built to be good for ten years in a small market and maybe we will get 1 or 2 championship runs, but that we will be able to win 50-58 games a year in a small market and that presti won't make any big changes and that is ok,,,,,i disagree we are 1 effective big man away from a title run, we have to get some veterans and some toughness, and the roster the way it is now is not a 50-58 win team, maybe 38-45 wins at best,we are a 2 man team right now, kd and westbrook are gonna burn out, and the second half of the season could get ugly, does anyone really see our roster winning 50-58 games? we had lucky last second wins vs detroit and portland and could easily be 1-5..im getting scared...

I think its time to make the switch Ibaka/Harden for Green/Sef.

We are getting ZERO from the SG position currently, change things up and see if Harden can get going from the starting spot. I doubt Green would suddenly not be able to produce when he's coming off the bench so we'd strengthen the bench and add scoring punch off of it. I think most believe he'd be a bigger factor off the bench.

Ibaka did pretty well in his first start.

nice litlle dig at robinson

to many turnovers,no three point threat .its not hard to beet the Thunder these days

@C_Dub

But even if all of that does come true, how can we survive when in order to outplay a team we have to score all of our points in a quarter with two players. KD and Russ can't play 48 minutes a game, and if they do, we're not going to win any games after the all-star break because they'll both be toast. We have players that can play... within an offensive system. The problem is we don't have a system for them to play on.

Elegy444 :
BEST stalker vid yet!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18EKpiMg37A

lolol great way to start off my day

I'm usually a pessimist but I'm going go grasp a limb here and say this...The team will get better as the season moves along but even before the season started everyone knew how tough the beginning was going to be once the schedules got released. Harden is so much better than he's playing right now and we really need what he's capable of bringing to the table. Therefor, I can just FEEL he's going to be his old self soon. Might even be as soon as their next game. The two threes I saw him hit against Boston might be the spark he needed. Also once Green and Collison get back, that should help us again up front. Russ is very stubborn and there's times he will force but for the most part, I like his aggression. He just needs to know when to relax and ease up. run the O efficiently and when to go all out and take it to the hoop. He will get there. And KD...You just know he's going to turn it around. It's not like his career is on a downward spiral lol.

oh yeah, someone warned you guys what it would look like with no jeff green offense ... 20 points & 7 boards is not easily replaceable ... too much pressure on kd to score, & russ too - leading to more of his kamikaze-ness!

bostons a beast ... not much shame in a loss to them ... when you hold their starters to less than 60 points you should have a better chance though

& donny marshall's broadcasting <<<<<<

& when you have perimeter players (russ/kd/harden) that are highly prone to both turnovers & sometimey shot selection/judgement, your offense cant have so much iso

brooks has to do better with that

& it would seem that those guys wouldnt commit as many turnovers (like they literally do some of the same things theyve done for the last few years - EVERY game.)

defending big baby/pick & pop with krstic is the wrong answer

Four factors through 11/7 from hoopdata:

Own eFG%: 28 (19)
Opp eFG%: 24 (5)

Own FTR: 1 (6)
Opp FTR: 7 (17)

Own TOR: 7 (24)
Opp TOR: 25 (7)

Own ORR: 9 (3)
Opp ORR: 14 (17)

Also maybe worth noting, this season we're 15th in And1%; last year we were 10th. Maybe trying to force more shots that aren't legit attempts? Probably too soon to tell on that.

RW :: the gift & curse
no game management or scoring in the first half, thunder down roughly 20...
gets in gear 3rd quarter. thunder back in the game ...
& then, right after he drops 9 straight, he gets careless again - a reckless step-back 3, a turnover (after a post-up & fading spin towards the baseline!?!) ... back down 20 ...
timeout, scotty seems to reign him in, & he goes on another strong stretch of steals, a blocked shot, scoring, &, even better, assists ... we in the game again ...

before the accusations come, this is no indictment of russ ... i love russ ... but he HAS to become a better & more consistent floor general for the thunder to become a top tier team ... those 2 & 3 minute stretches of bad play are costly.

& scotty has got to be more imaginative with the offense

@justin

Harden's shot seems to be fine, what worries me is how foolish he looks when he tries to handle the ball. I dunno what's going on there.

I honestly don't understand why we don't set up catch and shoot opportunities for him. It seems like we try to get him involved... where involved means "OK, now you take it at the top of the key and try to create a shot just like everyone not named Nenad."

He's still shooting well despite his weirdness driving the lane. It's really frustrating.

"Really, the only player we run any plays for is Kevin Durant."

That's what we were talking about during the game, watching the plays the Celtics were running (and other teams this year) and nothing from us. Our play is to get it to Durant.

I'll admit to not being a fan of Brooks, not since the end of the first year when he benched Watson for the rest of season, immediately after one of his best games. Felt vindictive for some reason and we've seen him do it other times too, but not quite that long. Never could figure out why he never uses some of the guys sitting there, especially when we are down 20 points. Shake it up, give them a chance. They sure can't be worse than what's going on.

Would love to know what's going on in Presti's mind, he sat and texted most of the first half of the game. Gotta wonder who he's texting, wish I had his number I'd be sending him a few messages. :)

Sammy :Harden’s USG has dipped from 20.40% to 14.94%. Not unrelatedly, he’s shooting a mindbogglingly horrid 35.0 TS%. A big night from James — one that’ll restore his confidence in his ability to drive and play with aggression — is near the top of my wishlist from things I want to see in the next few games.

I've noticed many of his shots this season have been bail out shots at the end of the clock. We run no plays for James Harden, it seems. Really, the only player we run any plays for is Kevin Durant. Harden is wide open constantly on the perimeter - CONSTANTLY. He wouldn't have a TS% so low if he were given open shots to work with.

@Crow
I don't know who's fault it is nor do I care to speculate. Does Brooks have no confidence in Harden because he's playing poorly? Or is Harden playing poorly because Brooks has no confidence? Who could possibly say? I don't care whose fault it is, not one bit. I just know that if our team is going to make a jump, Harden needs to be a big part of that. I Have confidence that the d will get better, that the offense will get back to at least last years level, etc. Harden worries me though because he visibly doesn't look right and it's just something he needs to work through

@Sammy

But is it on the top of Brooks and Westbrook's to do list?

If Harden is too passive, what context did that happen in? Did they want to go to him, were they successful at least getting him the ball or not? How much of it is Harden's fault and how much of it is Brooks' and Westbrook's?

Running more plays for him specifically early in the game would be one option. Either they do that or something else or nothing different and just hope for better results.

Harden's USG has dipped from 20.40% to 14.94%. Not unrelatedly, he's shooting a mindbogglingly horrid 35.0 TS%. A big night from James -- one that'll restore his confidence in his ability to drive and play with aggression -- is near the top of my wishlist from things I want to see in the next few games.

justin :
Westbrook is shooting a little bit better from midrange this year but not that much better.

Before tonight he was a little better from 16-23 feet and "acceptable" on FG% from that range right now but he is having a very rough time from 10-15 feet. Overall he is pretty close to average from mid-range. That remains the worst shot but between getting him to take 1-2 less mid-rangers or making some other shooting changes, the other changes might be as important or more important or at least more promising.

It may be more productive to focus on him either learning more exactly where and when he can make 3 pointers or dropping it. And to focus whatever he can do to pick up his inside shot FG% a few % points to try to get up to league for big minute PGs or eventually being above average and make team pay more dearly for his drives that don't earn foul shots. Right now an actual inside shot from Russ is not that much above an average shot in terms of payoff. The foul shots are, but not the inside shots.

If they think this is just an unwelcome bump in the road (it might or might not be that), not really completely avoidable, then go thru the experience and get better. Further develop the corrective capacities & attitudes and strategies & habits. Figure out what will work (perhaps different from what you were previously trying) to avoid bad patterns or get out of bad patterns quicker and more fully if they creep in again on offense and defense. Most teams slip but how often and how far matters as does how quick and fully they can correct the slippage. If this lasts beyond 5-10 more games it might be more than a bump in the road and might require more than first level adjustments.

If they don't have "an older veteran, that’s playing, that can calm the guys down" in the second week of the season, do they have enough veteran presence to help them in say a key stretch of the first game or the 6th game of a playoff series? If not, why not? (Though he might help a bit, I don't think Collison is enough of that guy to answer that need.)

@Dan2

It is just a bad streak at this point, and Collison being out is a mitigating factor, but if you consider them to have fallen way apart- and if it lasts- you'd have to ask some questions about how and why it got that bad. I'd think that is important to look deep in the effort to try to fix it.

If the offense goes too much to a few players, doesn't have enough passing, isn't getting enough contributions from the support players how are Brooks and Westbrook going to fix that?

If they aren't getting enough correction to the problems when Maynor comes in how are Brooks and Maynor going to fix it?

If neither Westbrook and Maynor are not getting the team into a fully and consistently acceptable mix of offense and defense is Ivey going to help? If not what is Presti going to do about it?

What does Durant think is going wrong and how would he fix it or what is he doing as team leader to enforce the management directed fixes?

Just read that Westbrook and Durant combined to score every point in the 3rd quarter. That is not a good thing.

@Peter

The pace of the game was real low about 7 possessions less than the Thunder average to date. That was a fairly large factor in the lower opponent scoring. The performance was 5 points better than than previous average on defensive efficiency. Comparatively, the lower pace was responsible for about 60% of the lower scoring in this game and the better defense responsible for about 40%.

How many plays were designed and run for a 3 pt shot and how many of them got a shot by the intended guy and got an open shot?

If the amount of plays actually run for a 3 pt shot by a qualified player or a player shooting them well was low, why?

If the amount of plays run for a 3 pt shot that failed to get the intended guy and got an open shot was high, why?

If the amount of non-called, rushed 3s was high, why?

Theirs to answer.

A chronic issue has become acute.

I think partly what we are seeing is a young team with a complete lack of self confidence and confidence in others. There isn't one older veteran, that's playing, that can calm the guys down.

in 2nd paragraph of above post, should be

"which ever" path...

It is not just this simple but a lot of the negative efficiency on offense right now is coming from terrible 3 point shooting by many players and the spin-off effects of that.

With Westbrook that really isn't a surprise. Unless he gets better soon he probably should shut that shot down again or be convinced to do so which where path was used last season to that effect. It is a very significant loss to have a PG who can't hit the 3 but if you can't hit it decently at some point you have to recognize it and deal with it.

But for there to be so many others shooting the 3 point so poorly all together is either really unlucky or a sign of team system and execution issues.

If it were my task, I'd check the average time of the shot clock that the 3s are taken and look at the distributions for each player and the team and the same for the time taken on the game clock and the locations and compare it all to last season. Do the stat analysis and watch the tape on every 3 point shot about 5-10 times and every play that could have / should had a good 3 point shot. Have the video and analytic and coaching staff and players put 100+ hours into it by next week. Come up with a detailed work plan for every player to improve every detail that needs to be improved. Stat.

Of course the highly paid professionals are surely working it. Should they have made more progress quicker or avoided the problem? A problem that was a problem on frequency but not this bad on FG% last season, the season before and the season before that? Probably. But they are the experts. So fix it. Or not.

how bout a nice round of applause for that defense, though!!! under 100 points allowed, only the 2nd time that's happened all year, and the first in 5 games!! to bad it came on a day they put up a weak 83...

@Osano-Whoa
that's what i'm saying. i'm not putting it all on the SGs. Obviously i'd like to see their % up a bit, but this alone won't fix the issue. The fact that plays are run for only the Big Two and Green is ridiculous. the fact that no one else is involved in the offense shows that westbrook, while he's improved his scoring ability, has taken a step back in running the point. there's no ball movement, no spreading the ball to the open shooters. isn't that the job description of the PG, and if those things are lacking, isn't that where the finger needs to be pointed?

I think if I were Brooks tonight I would have given D.J.White some run. His defense isn't any worse than Jeff Green's, and his offense is absolute nails. We could use some efficient offense right now.

Harden's a non-factor right now on offense, outside of spot-up threes. Every time he gets the ball you can tell he's not looking to drive, and simply finds another covered teammate.

I noticed that in this write-up it says, and i quote, "westbrook had a nice double double"

There was NOTHING nice about this double double or his disgraceful performance tonight.....NOTHING

I think Harden might be a little gun shy. If he messes up he gets yanked. Why do anything to risky if he's going to be benched?

@Peter
I would help if Green, Westbrook, and Durant weren't the only people ever getting the ball.

Bold prediction: If the Thunder do not get 3x the production from their SG spot, they will not make the playoffs in the West. Thabo/Harden - 8 pts, 30% shooting through 6 games. They need to combine to avg at least 20 pts on at least 45% shooting. 8 points per game from the SG spot - the spot that has produced some of the best scorers in league history - terrible.

@Jeremy

Ok man defense, missed some rotations and left Davis wide open, not a huge impact.

Didn't watch the game, but noticed Cole got some burn...how did he do with the extended time?

Does anyone think we should sign Dampier?It is said Rocket don't sign him

difference is in the expectations

it's weird, we're basically carbon copies of ourselves at this point last year.

@daniel
I feel like you do in so far as I find myself trying to remember last season and the offense. I don't remember it being so discombobulated. It makes me want to find some tape from last year to compare what they were doing then versus now.

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