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Thunder play scared, Utah dominates 120-99

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The scariest thing in downtown Oklahoma City on Halloween evening wasn’t the ghosts or ghouls in the crowd. It was the Thunder’s play on the court. I don’t know who our guys dressed up as, but they were pretty good costumes because I definitely didn’t recognize them.

For example, who was that guy wearing No. 35 tonight in the first half? Whoever he was struggled shooting the ball in the first half and turned it over six times. And who were those guys in white playing defense? Utah scored 52 points inside the paint tonight and took 33 shots at the rim. The Thunder I know don’t usually allow that sort of thing.

Overall, it was a pretty ugly, uninspired, frustrating performance by the Thunder. They lost by 21, Utah shot 53 percent from the field and OKC gave up 120 points. So, quick! Everybody freak out. I know. I thought they were going to go 82-0 too.

Oklahoma City was facing a hungry Utah Jazz team that desperately needed a win. Consider this: The Jazz haven’t started 0-3 since 1979. They were focused, prepared and intense from the tip. And I don’t think the Thunder were ready for them. Utah hit most everything. The Thunder did not. When you don’t make shots and the other guy does, it’s hard to win. In fact, it’s hard to really even stay close. I know fans want to win every game, but here’s a secret – the Thunder’s probably going to lose a few more this year. Hopefully not in this fashion, but it certainly happens. Just because OKC lose this one doesn’t mean we all need to panic.

However, while it’s one loss very early in the season, there are some concerning factors to this. Any time you lose at home to a division rival, it’s not a great thing. There really wasn’t a sense of urgency until late in the third quarter. The Thunder almost came in too big for their britches and thought they were good enough to coast and win. Maybe they thought they could sleepwalk until the fourth quarter and crank things up then. If so, they were wrong.

The Thunder defense was pitiful, but the offense was equally upsetting. OKC scored just 40 points in the first half. There was little ball movement, little cutting and a lot of “stand around, you shoot it” offense. I don’t necessarily think the Thunder’s offense was much different in this game than the first two, but the difference here was that OKC didn’t shoot an absurd amount of free throws. The Thunder ended up with 34 attempts, but most of those came in the second half when they finally turned up the energy. So even still, with OKC scoring 30 points at the line, it makes you wonder where the offense is coming from. They can’t count on getting 30 attempts a night. There has to be some coherency to this offense. There was none Sunday.

In a lot of ways though, the Thunder offense is based around Kevin Durant’s shot-making ability. Sometimes that works. Actually, most of the time, that works. But tonight, he was 3-10 in the first half and was 3-13 early in the third quarter. It’s just not going to work with the Thunder standing around and waiting for Russell Westbrook or Durant to make a play for them.

And then the defense. The defense was horrid. The Jazz had 100 points with seven minutes left in the game. That’s fairly terrible. Especially for a team that fancies itself as real stoppers on that end.

A lot of that I blame on Scott Brooks, who tried a number of different things with his lineups to try and spark the team. He went super small with Westbrook, Harden, Sefolosha, Green and Durant. Then he went weird with Harden, Cook, Durant, Green and Ibaka at one point. But what we didn’t see any of in the second half was probably the lineup that played the soundest defense. There was no sign of Cole Aldrich in the second half who in just a few minutes, was pretty solid on the interior defense. Aldrich really was the only Thunder player that performed well on Al Jefferson. I think Brooks had an idea to play Aldrich just a few minutes to get his feet wet and didn’t anticipate his interior defenders to get manhandled the way they did.

NOTES:

  • Scott Brooks should watch a little tape on Utah’s ball movement and flex offense. It’s nice stuff. The ball is distributed to guys in open spaces. It’s designed for open looks and multiple options. An example of Utah’s sharing are the 32 assists on 44 made baskets.
  • Durant is slumping a bit shooting the ball to start the year but still, 28 points on 8-19 shooting including 4-6 from 3. We all know it’ll get going and maybe his stronger second half (5-9 in the half) will get him going.
  • KD hit two pull-up 3-pointers and let me tell you, they were be-a-u-ti-ful. I love that shot. It’s not the smartest thing, but when it swishes through, it’s just awesome.
  • Another example of OKC relying too much on the free throw line: Of the first three, this is the first game OKC made more baskets than free throws. Without the stripe, OKC might be 0-3. Obviously getting to the line is part of basketball and that’s a great thing, but the Thunder can’t just plan on scoring 40 points from there.
  • Utah’s 5-4 lead in the first quarter was their first lead of the season. That’s kind of crazy.
  • Jeff Green had a weird game. He really picked up the offensive slack in the first half for Westbrook and Durant, scoring 15 points. He went into the post three times against the Jazz and abused the mismatches he was drawing. His moves were decisive, strong and aggressive. I loved them. Then as soon as Paul Millsap switched back to Green and Uncle Jeff missed a good looking jump hook, he drifted back to the perimeter. I don’t get it. Keep going inside! Green finished 5-14 for the game and was 0-4 from 3. His 17 and nine are nice, but I feel like he left a lot in the paint.
  • OKC was 23-35 inside 10 feet and 9-45 from everywhere else. Of those nine makes, Durant hit five, the rest of the team four. Ouch.
  • One thing the Thunder busted out with about six minutes left in the third was a strong full-court press. OKC quickly went on an 8-0 run and used the pressure almost halfway through the fourth. You don’t see many NBA teams use that type of thing and it worked to some degree, but it also gave Utah some easy points. Interesting look though and it’s a big reason Aldrich didn’t play much in the second half. Brooks wanted to use the press to try and get back in the game so Aldrich sat.
  • James Harden continues to struggle. Just seven points, including 0-5 from 3.
  • I loved what Cole Aldrich added to this game. He was only in for a short time, but his defensive impact was immediate. When he entered, OKC quickly outrebounded Utah 10-3. After his left and Ibaka checked in at the 5, the Thunder got worked inside. More Aldrich against post-playing teams, please.

  • The last four minutes of the first half decided this game. OKC didn’t score and Utah went on a 10-0 run to make it 56-40. The Thunder shot just 36 percent in the first half.
  • One thing to remember about this team: This is the same group as last year that won 50. (I’m sorry, Etan Thomas really wasn’t much of a loss.) They didn’t forget what made them good. They don’t suck all of a sudden. Sometimes good players have bad games.

One thing to note is that it’s harder to teach after a win than a loss. Brooks and his staff almost certainly saw the issues from the first two games and probably tried to work on them. But when you win, it’s hard to let things sink in. The best teaching comes after a loss. The Jazz exposed a bunch of the Thunder’s problems and now Brooks, Kalamian and company can go to work on the tape and start straightening things out. There are good things to learn from here. Of course you’d rather keep trying to learn after wins, but this happens. I doubt this will be the last double-digit loss of the year, though I hope I’m wrong.

This one rounded out to be a dismal 120-99 loss. But it’s the third game in. Like last season, this isn’t a finished product yet. Remember, those guys that won 50 last year hovered around .500 for the first two months of the year before really figuring things out. So despite my earlier advice, don’t freak out.

Next up: At the Clippers Wednesday.

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My concern with this team is the same it's always been: we are a jump-shooting team with bad jump shooters.

When our defense lets us down, like last night, and we can't get out and run the fast break, we are in big trouble.

This team is not improved from last year. We have the same problems and I don't really see all that much player growth. I did like seeing Jeff Green's new post game.

But ultimately 50-52 wins and a 6-8 seed is probably what we can expect at the end of the season.

Sure. The BYC only lasts a year or two. I forget which but no immediate need to look it up.

In general I'd say for players "you want" that the owning team declines entirely or declines a "fair" deal most of the time.

@MartzMimic

You are a base year compensation player for trade purposes under a second contract but the new CBA may change the rules.

@daniel

Casspi is off to a very good start shooting. I don't think the Kings would be interested in trading him at this point. Thompson if off to a weak start. He seems to have moved down the totem pole. I still like him fairly well but I might need to look closer.

@kfmsooner
Would Green be considered a base year compensation player? I'm by no means informed on the current CBA, but wouldn't we have to include more pieces to make it work?

Of course, I can think of a few pieces I'd be willing to trade...

@kfmsooner
Varejao is a good defender, but trading him for Green still leaves the question of Ibaka or Varejao at PF, as neither are as effective at center. Varejao is also offensively challenged, which means he's essentially Nick Collison, whom we already have.

As for Ibaka and rebounding, it's interesting but doesn't say much. Howard is playing less than 30 mpg due to big leads/deficits, and neither Chandler nor Beidrins have been tearing it up in a while. Not to mention, it's really hard to take that comparison to mean he is a good rebounder when he let Noah grab 7 offensive boards (and 19 total) in game one.

If we're looking for centers to trade for, we should be looking for someone who can score. Aldrich can already defend. I'm still waiting on a Melo trade so we can steal Nene.

I still like a Jason Thompson+Casspi for Green/filler trade.

Assists from outside the PG position and the quality of shooting outside of Durant and maybe the center spot have been a general weaknesses for the entire new era. Compared to other teams, passing and shooting excellence do not appear to have been as high priorities compared to other parts of the game or at least not as successfully realized. It is not surprising but so far it appears the off-season moves did very little to nothing to help with these core issues. Either they will be vindicated by player development in these skills or they won't.

@kfmsooner
Phoenix don't want to trade him I think.He is only Center in their team

Small sample, but Ibaka (8.3 RPG) is averaging more rebounds than Amare, Biedrins, or Tyson Chandler, and is only .2 behind Dwight Howard...

Another trade option for center: How about Robin Lopez, the one in Phoenix? Or we could just play Aldrich...

From ESPN Insider:

"According to Bob Finnan of The News-Herald, the scuttlebutt about Anderson Varejao is correct.

Finnan writes: "The rumors are true that teams are inquiring about the availability of Varejao. He plays his butt off and is a talented big man. Not a lot of players around the league play as hard as he does. There's no plan right now to trade him unless the Cavaliers get blown away."

Varejao is making $7.28 million this season and is signed though the 2014-15 season.
According to Bob Finnan of The News-Herald, the scuttlebutt about Anderson Varejao is correct.

Finnan writes: "The rumors are true that teams are inquiring about the availability of Varejao. He plays his butt off and is a talented big man. Not a lot of players around the league play as hard as he does. There's no plan right now to trade him unless the Cavaliers get blown away."

Varejao is making $7.28 million this season and is signed though the 2014-15 season."

Green for Varejao...do it now...

@Ozark
Last year seemed to be the start of something as rookies were given short leashes and eased into the lineup. I have a feeling Alrich's minutes are pre-determined for the next few games. Watch for him to hover around 10 minutes on Weds and then see 15 if he continues to stay out of foul trouble.

Well, at least Cole didn't foul out in 11 minutes like we feared. Heck, he didn't even foul. Why are we not playing this guy again?

Team assist rate is 29th/30 teams. Team eFG% is 29th, too.

Is now one really going to say that the current problem is? Krstic and Harden are playing horrible in these first few games. At least Harden showed some sparatic defense in this last game but Krstic has been a no show on Offense and defense and is truely become a liability.

I think a lot of you people are applying the college football mentality to basketball. Lose one game, especially by a lot, and it is time to fold the tent and wait until next year.

It isn't all or nothing in the NBA. Every team will have a horrid night and get beat. It is how they respond. We are 2-1. Everyone is healthy. Are there adjustments to make, sure. How about we give it a few more games, like 50, before we pack it in and start looking towards the lottery.

I was there last night. Was it embarrassing? Yep. I don't put all the blame on the players / coaches. Anytime we'd start making a run, or get it close, we'd get called for something ridiculous. Most of the time it was crap. It was a poorly officiated game. I swear refs were Mormons. But that isn't why we lost. We lost because we played poorly. It will happen again, just like we will play well again.

Its one game. Lets keep it in context. There is no BCS in the NBA.

@Ozark
OF COURSE! We should have known not to trust him. The Seattlites were right!

@Thomas

I think it's clear he's tanking the team so Bennett can move to Tulsa like he originally wanted to.

The DON :
"I am convinced Presti is not committed to winning a championship. He is content with just fielding a competitive team that will nust be dangerous but not a true contender, like the suns, mavs, jazz the past decade.
He just wants to have a consistently competitive team. If by some chance things really break our way and we make a run at the championship, great, but I don’t think he really approaches the team with a championship at the forefront of his thought process.
He is content."

What has convinced you of that?

we just need KD to get back to form. eventally *hopefully* scott brooks will come around and play Cole45 and serge more and jeff green less. jeff green needs to be traded while he has value and daequan cook needs to get never see the hardwood for our team..

keys to OKC thunder basketball returning to form: healthy collison. FREE COLE!, KD to be KD and not al harrington, james harden to quit playing like a scrub. and no more small ball.. im optimistic though.

Well guys, wrap it up. This season is a wash.

This team will never be successful and KD is the worst basketball player to ever exist.

I am convinced Presti is not committed to winning a championship. He is content with just fielding a competitive team that will nust be dangerous but not a true contender, like the suns, mavs, jazz the past decade.

He just wants to have a consistently competitive team. If by some chance things really break our way and we make a run at the championship, great, but I don't think he really approaches the team with a championship at the forefront of his thought process.

He is content.

Only 8 were even over 6 minutes per game for the full season, affected by injuries, trades, changes.

Time and performance of the starters this season. Only part of the story but a big piece.

and what's up with all the 'durant's improved playmaking' hype? dude's finally answered the question 'what would it look like if someone tried playing PG with no arms?'. his passes make rex grossman cringe in embarassment...

11 minutes is usually light for "these" starters who averaged 16 minutes per game last season. But only 3 other teams in the league had starters over 11 minutes per game.

dream catcher :
the most alarming thing on offense?
game 1: 17 assists, 6 by Westbrook, 11 by everyone else
game 2: 16 assists, 11 by Westbrook, 5 by everyone else
game 3: 10 assists, 5 by Westbrook, 5 by everyone else
lack of ball movement and lack of getting guys open and moving for easier buckets. same as last year

couldn't agree more. the jazz had several sequences where they passed the ball around 3-5 times and finally got a wide open mid-range jumper. all we do is drive and kick, take contested layups or chuck up 3s. there is NO midrange game to speak of, save a few stop-n-pops by westbrook. the role players have no offensive role to speak of. just stand around, wait for a shot to go up, and try to board. no movement.

@humbert humbert
Durant is the unquestioned leader of the team. And he always will be. Westbrook is a fantastic leader as well.

@Greg
really not too crazy of a statement. durant came out lackadaisical and the rest of the team followed suit.

I bet writing this post game was like deja vu on season 1 in OKC...right around the PJ Carleisimo era. No offense, no defense.

Ibaka / Aldrich -1 in about 7 minutes... with just one starter, Green, while facing 3 opponent starters.

Starting lineup -7 in about 11 minutes. Western playoff teams traditionally tougher for them. 11 minutes is usually light for the starters.

Ibaka / Aldrich -1 in about 7 minutes.

@Dylan
Haha. Oh, Earl, he was a classy guy. Though this is the first time that we don't have a go-to vet on the bench with our guys. Last year we had Ollie (who is now a coach) talking to guys on the bench all the time. Now we have... Ivey? Maybe we could use a end of his career kind of guy who can settle down the troops. Is there anyone like that still available?

Yeah, it's the same team that won 50 games, but we're another year removed from earl watson and his veteran leadership. Like medicine that wears off, his loss is finally taking its toll.

Durant started slow last year too, if you remember, and then went on to be the best scorer in the entire league. I'm not pleased that he hasn't found his shot in the first three games, but he definitely deserves the benefit of the doubt. The only issues that warrant real concern is that we let Detroit (a poor offensive team) score all over us in crunch time and the offense still has no flow.

dream catcher :I’m starting to think Westbrook should be our leader on this team, not Durant.

That's too far...

dream catcher :
I’m starting to think Westbrook should be our leader on this team, not Durant.

Come on now..

I'm starting to think Westbrook should be our leader on this team, not Durant.

justin :

dream catcher :the only positive on offens eis, not many turnovers with the exception of Durant. thats a good sign going forward…

Easy not to turn it over when you don’t pass!

good point

With the expectations this team has, Brooks will be on the hot seat with another first round playoff exit IMO. Just the way the NBA coaching carosel works. It's far too early to speculate about that, though.

dream catcher :the only positive on offens eis, not many turnovers with the exception of Durant. thats a good sign going forward…

Easy not to turn it over when you don't pass!

Russ 61.3% TS first three games. Russ only had two stretches of three games all last season with a higher scoring efficiency.

the only positive on offens eis, not many turnovers with the exception of Durant. thats a good sign going forward...

the most alarming thing on offense?

game 1: 17 assists, 6 by Westbrook, 11 by everyone else
game 2: 16 assists, 11 by Westbrook, 5 by everyone else
game 3: 10 assists, 5 by Westbrook, 5 by everyone else

lack of ball movement and lack of getting guys open and moving for easier buckets. same as last year

I don’t know when Collison comes back, but it can’t be fast enough.@Thomas

I understand why a coach, in general, would ease a rookie onto a playoff team, since rookies generally aren’t that good. With Brooks, it’s hard to tell. Our lineups last year weren’t ideal and he showed a clear lack of ability to make prudent in-game substitutions. I have hoped this was due to extenuating circumstances, but it could just be a fear of change.

Right? I almost feel unnerved even considering getting rid of Brooks. Like a traitor somehow. He took over the team when we were at the lowest of lows and then guided them to a dream season of sorts last season. But you can't watch what's going on through three games and not conclude that there aren't some poor decisions being made. We don't have an offense right now. Period. We have isolations and jumpers with the occasional drive into the lane to draw foul calls.

Westbrook's the biggest reason I'm still really excited for this season. He looks like he's made another leap. If he's as efficient all year as he's been in these first few games, dude's got a lock as a top 4 PG.

That said, he still made some dumb decisions in this one, the most egregious of which was pulling up for that heat check 3 when we had a 4 on 2 fast break.

@dream catcher
Westbrook has easily been our MVP of the first 3 games.

@shiki=4 seasons
I think that's a great point, shiki. If nothing else, it should show that Green-Ibaka is a poor pair. Neither box out, neither are strong one-on-one defenders, and neither are truly the size of their opponents. Ibaka plays so much better off a stronger interior defender that allows him to roam and alter shots in the paint.

I don't know when Collison comes back, but it can't be fast enough.

@Thomas
I understand why a coach, in general, would ease a rookie onto a playoff team, since rookies generally aren't that good. With Brooks, it's hard to tell. Our lineups last year weren't ideal and he showed a clear lack of ability to make prudent in-game substitutions. I have hoped this was due to extenuating circumstances, but it could just be a fear of change.

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