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Thursday Bolts – 9.2.10

Here’s Russell Westbrook fairly nasty reverse jam from yesterday. He’s showcased his athleticism pretty well thus far in Turkey, but this one is pretty much just plain ridiculous.

Tommy Craggs for Slate with an interesting piece on Kevin Durant and his reported humbleness: “Of course, that’s what really matters in an age that judges athletes foremost on the quality of their salesmanship. LeBron packaged himself poorly. Durant has sold himself well, or at least has given of himself so little that the very idea of his reticence could be fashioned into a cudgel against the Very Bad Thing of the day—ego run amok. More than anything, Durant offers the moralists a clean bank shot at LeBron and his cohort. He will remain useful in this role for a time, and then one day he’ll go and do some Very Bad Thing and shatter all our precious illusions. We’ll have no choice but to pick out a new unicorn, a new cardboard idol to worship, and all the while we’ll wonder how we got the last one so wrong. Did we ever know Kevin Durant at all?”

Dime says KD will be the all-time scorer: “KD’s fundamental skills are at such a high level, I feel even if he loses a step physically, he will still be highly productive. Durant doesn’t dominate a game by being the best athlete, he dominates with his high skill set and his size that creates natural mismatches. He isn’t famous for out-sprinting everyone to lead the break or simply jumping over people. He is definitely not physically overpowering the competition. He just has the intelligence and the skills to make the correct move at the right time to put the points on the board.”

Royal Ivey continues to prove correct the Thunder tattoo continuum.

Nenad Krstic played extremely well for Serbia yesterday notching a double-double (14-10).

It’s about half over at the time this went up, but Chris Sheridan on the Tunisia-USA game: “Stephen Curry has been sloppy with the ball, no more so than when he threw an atrocious behind-the-back bounce pass to nobody yesterday on a 2-on-1 break against Iran. Russell Westbrook could be the answer, as Coach K recognizes that he has experience playing off the ball at shooting guard when he was at UCLA. Westbrook has shot 11-for-20 from the field over the first four games but has not yet attempted a 3-pointer, so it bears watching how he performs today against Tunisia — a game in which the Americans have been installed as a 45.5-point favorite.”

Dance teams in Turkey are getting censored says Pete Thamel: “A dance squad from Ukraine, known as the Red Foxes, has performed at Ankara Arena during a majority of the games involving the six teams in Group C. But in each of Turkey’s past three games, one of which was attended by Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan and another by the country’s foreign minister, Ahmet Davutoglu, the dancers have disappeared. The speculation here is that the scantily clad dancers were pulled to avoid performing in front of Turkish government officials, but no one can agree as to why.”

A Q&A with Serge Ibaka from Hoopnotes: “What do you think of your first NBA season? From a personal standpoint, I am satisfied. I think I improved a lot. Particularly during the playoffs where I gained the confidence of coach Brooks. I ended the playoffs’ games against the Lakers. The coaches were happy with my production and my defense on Odom…”

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@WillJ
Probably might be a bit annoying, but fortune favors the bold. You should at least say hi, and if they are willing, get a picture. I mean, how often are those kinds of occurrences going to happen down the line?

@thunder
Thanks.

And just to add, neither of them looked to be taller than 6'5".

@DXL

Not sure, but it was definitely Harden there. I'll look at the other dude tomorrow, because on further review, he only looked an inch or so taller than Harden (I'm losing faith in spotting players now!).

Brew :

DXL :@WillJ Why are NBA pros working out at a regular gym? Why the heck aren’t they at the practice facility?

Exactly. Shooting coach anyone?

Thabo anyone?

@Keith dude love that response. couldnt have said it better myself.

Wait. Workout and booty shopping two for one.

DXL :@WillJ Why are NBA pros working out at a regular gym? Why the heck aren’t they at the practice facility?

Exactly. Shooting coach anyone?

@WillJ
Why are NBA pros working out at a regular gym? Why the heck aren't they at the practice facility?

@Bryan

I work out from about 11:00 to 1:00 and Thabo is there almost every day doing polymetrics and then working on his shooting. Honestly I didn't recognize him until today when Harden was with him (that beard is tough to miss). Took everything I had not to go total "fanboy" but I did watch them shoot for a while. If it makes you feel better Harden was draining everything; also, he was wearing a "Rise Together" shirt...maybe if I wear a Thunder shirt to the gym they'll be my friend (lol!).

Heard Harden and Aldrich were spotted bowling in Edmond.

@WillJ
Harden and Thabo working out together? Nice

Etan Thomas to sign with the Hawks.

Ideally somebody would ask the new Thunder assistant about his offensive philosophy and his role on the Thunder...

Nothing of substance, but just had a Harden and Thabo sighting at the gym.

@DXL

Isn't it a little too early for that? 'Always' is a long time...

Keith :@DXLKobe raped a girl, or at least that is the prevailing belief (mine as well). I won’t argue that most people are better than him from a moral standpoint. But what exactly has Lebron done that is so heinous?

It's hard to point at one thing with LeBron. He's selfish, still a child after being a "professional" for 7 years, having a lack of control on his life that is dominated by his surroundings, just for starters. His "injury" in the playoffs, and the resulting game in which he appeared to give up, are certainly reasons a multitude of people have spoken out against him. Strolling around Vegas slapping exit signs, pulling cross-overs on in inanimate objects like blackjack tables. Do I even have to bring up the "Chosen One" tattoo?

He geniunely lacks class, respect for the game/others, and his arrogance/ego is up there with some of the game's worst. LeBron obviously hasn't committed any heinous crimes. But his actions, words, and demeanor warrant a lot of the criticism he's undergone. My criticism for him doesn't have much at all to do with leaving Cleveland, but rather just the person he is on and off the court.

@Isaac
You nailed it!
Tommy Craggs sounds like the reporter in "61"... that HBO movie about Maris and Mantle and the homerun chase...the reporter who constanly tried to spin the story in a negitive fashon for buzz/reactions. I know nothing about Craggs, but I bet he wears LBJ underware ;)

GO THUNDER!

@Sammy

Well said. I don't see Craggs' article as hating on KD at all really, but rather a jab at the media culture that's built up around KD. Mike Prada over at SBNation summed it up pretty well by saying: "Craggs writes that Durant is praised not on his own merits, but rather because he isn't LeBron James."

Nothing KD hating in there, people. Let's all take a chill pill.

I guarantee you'll never hear about Durant or Tebow playing around with groupies or having illegitimate children.

We all know about Kobe's groupie issues and Lebron has not married the mother of his children.

Who would you want a daughter of yours bringing home? Durant or Kobe? Seriously.

Florida fans will always love Tebow, as OKC fans will always love Durant. Lebron is now forever a villain in Cleveland, and many Laker fans were disgusted with Kobe during his rape trial, his petulant fights with Shaq, and his brief flirtation with the Clippers.

@Sammy
Agreed. I don't think Tebow is a good example. He glorifies himself at every turn and seeks out the spotlight... the phrase "I'm coming back" before a full crowd in Florida solidified that feeling for me. He's a self-centered egotist who, were it not for his oh-so-public faith, would normally be dismissed as the egomaniac that he is.

Public preasure to act right and be a good role model is the only tool we as fans have to keep our favorite sport from becoming a free-for-all of shadiness.

Moral character is something we all respect and all want to instil in our children. And, while we shouldn't engage in idol worship (like we are with Durant and have with countless others) we should not be afraid to promote those who display it and bemoan those who don't. If we don't call it like we see it, then younger generations will assume moral character is simply not a part of success.

Just my two cents.

@DXL
I hate Tebow with a passion reserved for few athletes. More than anyone in the NBA. He's on a Favre/ARod/Jeter level for me.

@Keith
He just showed poor judgement over the course of the last year and a half. There was the no-interview moment, his playoff performance, The Decision. I don't know that those things prove him to be of poor moral character, but they certainly prove him to be less than "The Chose One," which is what he has tatooed across his back.

Frankly, I don't know how anyone expected anything different, knowing he had that BS on his back. Unless he meant that as an ironic stab at the sports press, it just seems like he could give a S less about anyone but himself.

And I don't think there is any reason why he shouldn't be called out for it.

@Keith
Yeah, I've thought about importing coaches before too, but I wonder if the language and culture barrier would prove prohibitive.

@Keith
Didn't see your response before I wrote mine, but well-said.

I don't know whether the world will eventually turn on KD – maybe he will escape the game with his image intact, like Duncan will – but the point of the article was more about media image vs reality. Anyone who sees that article as Durant-hating, is, I think, a little too sensitive with their fandom.

Nearly everyone in the media compared and contrasted LeBron's 'decision' and the Durant's twitter announcement and in doing so blew the significance of both out of proportion. The media eagerly wants to create a good/evil dichotomy here because that's a great story, complexity be damned.

I will add that he moved up month by month on both 3 pt and FT attempts last season. Rebounds went up in mid season over the start but fell back to in-between at the end.

@DXL
Kobe raped a girl, or at least that is the prevailing belief (mine as well). I won't argue that most people are better than him from a moral standpoint. But what exactly has Lebron done that is so heinous?

His first season Durant wasn't that special on overall statistical efficiency )or at least one crude measure of it- the available NBA efficiency) until March & April when he moved up nicely. In his second season he slipped back in November then bolted ahead for December thru February then faded in March and April to roughly finish where he finished the first season. In his third season he had by far his best start, between his 2nd season peak and where he finished though, then moved up another step in mid-season and finished the regular season with a short April that was his best month ever. LeBron only had one month last season better than Durant's April. But then KD had the difficult, well below expected playoffs.

He moves up in spurts, at different times of the season so far. Is he done? Probably not. How high will he go? I don't know.

Somebody else can analyzed the detail more in an article if they want.

On a different note, does anyone else think the Team USA offense looks a whole lot like the Thunder offense? Everyone without the ball just stands around waiting for someone else to save the day or a random kick-out. The stark contrast between Team USA offense and pretty much every other team out there is staggering. It really is no wonder why Team USA hasn't been dominant since the Dream Team era. We don't play very good basketball, we just out-talent everyone.

I would love to see OKC steal away a coach from Argentina, Spain, or Brazil and have them implement a FIBA level motion offense on the Thunder. Can you imagine combining our already stout defense with an offense that gets wide open looks like FIBA teams? We could be champions with just that.

Tebow and Durant ARE really good guys, both better people than Lebron and Kobe. It's not about media coverage as the cynics seem to believe, it's about character.

I'm a little surprised people feel the need to take up for Durant in that article. I read it twice, and didn't feel much of anything negative driven towards Durant. The point of the article was not that Durant is inevitably going to let us down, it's that the media decides who players are based entirely on how they feel about those players. Lebron isn't the anti-christ, Durant isn't our saviour. They are just two basketball players. Their moral compass has little to no impact on how they play, and that, ultimately, is what fans should judge them on.

If you don't like Lebron, don't like him because you figure he gave up on his team, not because he moved to Miami. Ohio doesn't own Lebron, and never did. Him leaving isn't about hating the nameless, faceless fans who supported him before, it's about basketball and business. We as fans tend to feel a lot of connection to these players, we take them into our lives and assume they have done the same to all of us. But really, we're the shy high school freshman who have the hots for some senior. When she doesn't remember our name, it's not because she's a bitch, it's because she never had reason to know us in the first place.

I'm sure Lebron likes to be cheered instead of booed, anyone does. I'm sure Kevin feels the same way. But they are going to get both sides in every single game. We fans can't presume our psychological connection to players is nearly as strong for someone making millions to play a game in front of a constantly changing crowd.

@justin
I agree with you. Sure, there's a possibility that he could become the all-time leading scorer and one of the greatest ever, but we've got a very long way to go before that's a legitimate discussion. However, I have a much easier time believing that than the notion that KD is going to pull the rug out on literally everyone he's ever known and turn out to be a jerk.

KD is a phenominal person and there's nothing to suggest otherwise but I think as a player the expectations are getting a little out of hand in some circles.

@Isaac
Yeah, you pretty much nailed that response.

@Isaac
Talk about a home run response. Pretty much exactly what I was thinking. He's just being a contrarian for the sake of an article. Maybe his next article should discuss how LeBron is probably going to save a bunch of puppies from a burning building and then we'll all love him again. Man, that LeBron is such a good guy. I can't wait until he starts acting like it!

My comment on the Slate article:
Here's an idea for Mr. Craggs: talk to the person you're writing about. Spend some time with him. Failing that, read stuff by people who have. Many of those sports journalists who are fawning over Kevin Durant and his humility are ones who have met and interviewed him. Some have even gone to his home in Oklahoma City and seen how he interacts with his neighbors and teammates. Invariably they come away from that experience talking about how great a guy he is.

You end your article with the question "Did we ever know Kevin Durant at all?" For you, the answer is obviously "no." You did not interview Durant for this piece, and yet in it you set out to make judgments on his character, using as your basis of argument the way he plays basketball and the easy assumption that all great athletes must be arrogant.

Other people, however, can say that they do know him. There are a lot of people you could have talked to before writing this piece; friends, teammates, coaches, family, etc. who could have actually given you a solid basis for what you tried to write about. Better journalists than you have done so, and the picture they've painted of Durant all point to him being the kind of man you say he probably isn't. What you've done is not fair, and it's not good journalism. It's just laziness.

is it really surprising that these guys are sloppy on offense? they've had 2 weeks of training camp and this is their 7th game together. its going to be sloppy. combine that with half the team still on their rookie contracts and you have a team that is going to be prone to turning the ball over.

as long as they bring the energy/intensity on D every game they'll be fine. don't be surprised to see some unseen offensive sets during elimination rounds. the coaching staff is more savy when it comes to international play now, so they be playing some gamesmanship as well this time around.

@Ben

Yeah, win on talent with no real plan on offense. Anyone think that we'll show an offensive game plan next week?

To be fair to Russ, he did shoot 6-9 today, and one of those was a 3 pointer to beat the shot clock.

@justin

You might be right - the espn boxscore shows Granger with 3 assists, and several players tied with 2, but that boxscore is often wrong. Do you have a more reliable one?

@Jax Raging Bile Duct

Thanks. Sounds like it's much of the same for Team USA, eh?

@Jax Raging Bile Duct

I agree. The fact that Chandler led the team with two assists today drives your point home.

@justin

I think Gordon is helped by playing mostly SG, and Curry is hurt playing PG. Billups jacks too many shots, Rose only drives to the bucket, Russ and Curry can't set up an offense in the half court without bad decisions and turnovers. It's not pretty basketball at all.

Make that 4 showtime dunks.

Westbrook with two nasty dunks now.

@Jax Raging Bile Duct

Russ has been alright. None of the guards except Gordon have been consistently effective in the half court IMO.

@Jax Raging Bile Duct
Yep! And, really, what do you even do at this point? I mean, KD actively tried to stay out of the spotlight, but when you've got talent like his... It's frustrating, because he'd just rather play basketball, but now he has to watch his step everywhere he goes.

@Ben

Sloppy game. Undisciplined basketball. Russ has yet to show that he's valuable in the half court. But as I type that, he goes for another showtime slam dunk. He just can't shoot and is out of control sometimes. However, he and Love have a connection; they look really good together, even in the half court offense.

I also have to say that after watching all these games, I'm amazed at how little Stephan Curry is showing. Maybe this style is just not suited to his preferred style of play, but he hasn't looked good yet. Sloppy, unaware, slow, turnover prone, weak with the ball and he hasn't hit his shots.