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Wednesday Bolts – 8.11.10

Oklahoma City’s director of professional player personnel Bill Branch is leaving to become one of Rich Cho’s two assistant GMs.

ESPN’s panel of 93 experts (I was one of them by the way, though I don’t believe I was in the expert category) predicted OKC would win 52 games and finish second in the West: “Is this the same team that stood 1-16 just 20 months ago? Yes, and it’s the same team that put a serious scare in the champs in Round 1. In what could be a wild Western scramble for second, our panel gives the Thunder 0.21 wins more than the Mavs, meaning a potential West finals bid for the Durant-Westbrook-Green team.”

Sebastian Pruiti of NBA Playbook with an incredibly insightful post and breakdown of Latavious Williams: “Williams will probably start the year in the D-League, and that is a good thing. He could benefit from a little more strength to help him with his post defense. Also, he doesn’t have any post moves to speak of, and he doesn’t have a go to move in the high post, and more D-League time could help him with that. However, with all of that being said, I fully expect Williams to have a productive stint in the NBA if he can get himself a call-up with the Thunder, and it is all thanks to his D-League experience last year.”

Matt Moore of CBS Sports looking at the national TV games: “Oklahoma City were the big winners, with 24 big-time appearances, and the first post-Christmas ABC game, facing the Heat at home. It’s a big win for a small market club.”

Zach Harper for TrueHoop highlights a bunch of must-see games: “Thunder at Celtics: Don’t forget about Russell Westbrook. He and Rondo are two of the best defensive and rebounding point guards in the NBA — both with a flair for the athletic. Plus we get to see if Kevin Durant is treated like Michael “Bleeping” Jordan once again in Boston.”

John Schuhmann on yesterday’s Team USA scrimmage: “Durant pulled off two straight lobs in the third scrimmage, one to Rose (which Rose laid in) and the second to Iguodala, which was the highlight of the day. Iguodala caught the lob with his hand under the ball and somehow dunked it with his hand on top of the ball. Put that guy back in the dunk contest, please.”

Darnell Mayberry on the schedule: “I thought the Thunder would receive more than 15 nationally televised games. Don’t get me wrong, 15 is a lot and it’s a sign of just how popular the team has become. Nine broadcasts on ESPN is about right. And two on ABC’s showcase Sunday is more than sufficient. TNT, it seems, is missing the boat. Having only four Thunder games — one in the first five games of the season and the other three in January — means TNT will miss out on what undoubtedly will be one of the top five most exciting teams this season, perhaps even top three. The Thunder’s four TNT games is less than half of what Boston and Miami, each with 10, and the Lakers, Denver and Orlando, with nine apiece, received. The issue might have more to do with the Thunder rather than TNT. The Thunder prefers Sunday home games to placate a family-oriented market. And the Thunder has a whopping 11 Sunday home games. That’s not conducive to tons of Thursday tilts.”

Shoals writing on the positional revolution: “The opposite of this would be the Thunder. Kevin Durant is much like Dirk, and as a result, Sam Presti has set to putting together a roster of unorthodox youngsters who complement each other. Say what you will about Jeff Green; accuse Russell Westbrook of becoming more and more ordinary. The team still depends on chemistry — not just getting along, but being able to work together in a way that depends on their originality, not their ability to fill a preordained role. (Yes, there are roles in OKC, but they correspond to players, not formulas.)”

More on KD being favored for MVP from PBT: “But Durant and the Thunder are coming in to their own. Well, really they did last year but so many national writers with a vote are a year behind what is happening in the game that they will get around to voting for him now.”

KD felt a little slighted for not being invited to the White House to hoop with the president. Though I Durant makes a solid point: “Somebody told me if we win the championship, I’ll go see the president.” Yes indeed, KD.

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I'm pretty sure Lee doesn't make them better than Ariza did. Though I actually do like Battier playing big minutes more on that team than Ariza. But if the motivation was a salary dump, there are worse pieces to get back than Lee. He's a solid player.

Yeah, I just don't see Prince getting enough minutes here to be worth giving much of anything up. Now, if we were to swap Thabo somehow, like f5alcon mentioned somewhere, he would be worthwhile. But as it is the SG/SF spot is incredibly crowded. Obviously giving up MoPete means nothing, so I'd be fine with that. White too, since he doesn't seem likely to ever play here. But Pleiss's potential value, however unsure it is, is still probably worth more than I'd be willing to throw in.

Also had that happen before. Like Sammy said, for awhile now.

Fortunately, we're not trading Pleiss for a rental. Not to mention one who plays the same position as Kevin Durant. Prince will sign for more money elsewhere after this season.

I think if this were to be Green's last season, the way to address the backup SF position in the short term is using Thabo there so he can see more minutes. Hopefully by that time Harden is over 30 mpg, and Thabo can backup both Harden and Durant. In the meantime we would have drafted a SF.

im not sure that lee makes them better then ariza did. all it does is let battie start and give them depth at guard, but kevin martin plays a lot of mins so im not sure how much it matters to have depth behind him. If yao is healthy they should be good, but i really don't expect him to be.

I think the primary pieces sent to detroit more likely be Nenad and about 6 million in cap space. maybe they throw in dj or a pick as a sweetener

I'm not really disagreeing, but if the cost was Mullens, White, or Pleiss, I'd probably do it. Mullens and White probably never get real minutes with the Thunder, and Pleiss is very much an unknown that could be pushed to the back burner permanently by Aldrich. Given Prince has several good years left and probably signs a much smaller next contract, he could be one of those role players that all champions have.

I don't think so considering the Prince is an expiring contract. I don't think we're at the point yet where we should be trading in our youth for short term marginal improvement.

Do you think Presti would be willing to part with Pleiss or possibly even Maynor to upgrade from Peterson to Prince? I'll admit Prince could be very useful, much moreso than Peterson. Even if he only played 10-15 minutes a game, having another facilitator that can shoot better than most of our guys and defend at a possibly elite level could be pretty important come playoff time.

That's just a huge unknown there. Rosenberry was the "college" scout, and all three of those guys came from outside of the NCAA's, so my guess would be no, but I think all aspects of a scouting department work together.

Just to be clear, I don't think it has anything to do with the new commenting system, at least for me. It's been a problem for me here as long as I can recall. I've never spoken up about it before, and I'm actually a little surprised that I'm the only one that's had this issue.

Hmmm. I liked Courtney Lee as a rookie on that great Orlando team; I think Houston is going to be stacked in the guard rotation with Kyle Lowry, Aaron Brooks, Courtney Lee and Kevin Martin......WOW.

Oh, ok. I only scanned over the article and thought the author was proposing doing a swap since Prince makes so much more sense for the Thunder than Mo Pete (well, duh, Dwight Howard would also make more sense than Nenad Krstic).

From reading the article posted, I don't think they ever actually mentioned a Prince for Peterson swap, they were simply comparing the two to show that Peterson doesn't offer the veteran leadership that Prince could. Peterson may have to be part of a deal in order to match salaries (we couldn't absorb Prince's whole salary), but I have to think one of the young guys (Mullens, White, Pleiss) would be included.

Whoa! I just had firefox crash on me like Sammy mentioned. First time that's ever happened to me with DT. I'm pretty sure I'm running the latest version, on Windows 7.

Again, I like Prince, especially on a defense-first team in need of some ball-movement, but I'm just not sure the Thunder have the means. Unless Detroit is high on BJ Mullens or one of our non-Aldrich picks this year, they just aren't getting what they are looking for. Then again, given Ben Wallace is probably on his last 2 years in the league, maybe Mullens is worth it.

This Prince rumor makes no sense. Why on earth would Detroit want to trade a pretty decent expiring contract for a much less valuable one?

I'd be pretty shocked if Ariza doesn't start over Peja.

prince could play SG-PF here just like green, if he can still defend the perimeter, he wont a primary ball handler, so unlike KD playing him out of position at sg wont result in a big increase in turnovers.

Id like it more as a secondary move if we traded green or thabo for a scoring threat asset.

i agree ariza is better, but i have a hard time believing they will put a guy making as much money as peja on the bench

NJ and IND are the biggest winners in today's trade. Murphy is a good player and IND finally has a starting point guard in Collison. I'm surprised Houston gave up so quickly on Ariza. Maybe they decided they didn't like how much they were paying him. Still though, just getting Courtney Lee doesn't seem like a Daryl Morey move. I'm also shocked the Hornets gave up on Collison, especially if CP3 bolts in the next couple of years. Collison really got it done when CP3 was injured last year.

As for us trading for Tayshaun, what would we have to give up and where would Tayshaun play? He's basically a one-position player: SF. And we already have a SF who is going to play 38-40 minutes. So... I don't understand why Hoopsworld would want us to make this trade. Plus we'd likely have to give Detroit asset(s), which I really don't want to do.

Prince would be a fine pickup for the Thunder, I know from watching the Pistons that he can handle the ball and is a quality passer. He often played point-forward for the Pistons and his defensive game is not nearly as dead as injuries last year would have you believe. That said, getting him seems unlikely because it would cost more than Mo Pete. Don't forget that Prince has an expiring contract himself, and the Pistons have been financially successful for a long time. They don't need to save the difference in Peterson and Prince's contracts so badly that they would accept the downgrade in ability.

The Pistons are looking to turn Prince into a young big man or picks, not a mostly useless player in an already crowded SG-SF rotation.

Hate the Prince idea that is up on Hoopsworld- hope it is just wild-assed speculation, and not based on anything. Harden and Thabo look like a fine 1-2 punch to me.

Idk, i don't think prince would be looked at as taking min from anyone except maybe late in close games for his experience and 3pt shooting. I would see him as more of a player to coach some young guys in high pressure situations. those are the type of situations where experience matters more than skill... just throwing that out there.

regardless; i'm saying this all, but its really just 'cause i see that side of the arguement. If there was a possibility for Prince for Pete straight up i think it is a good idea - they are both expiring contracts if my memory serves, so its pretty low risk.

Peja is a spot up jumpshooter, and not much else. Ariza is a good defender, rebounder, passer, and is a capable scorer albeit streaky from the 3-pt line. But like I said he's streaky, and somewhat injury-prone. He's overpaid, but still a good player. Considerably better than Peja at this point, IMO. Ariza was putting up monster numbers the first couple months of last season. Not to mention CP3 raises the game of others around him, and it was hard for him to do that with Peja when he's hurt all the time, or simply ineffective at this point.

Either that lineup or Prince could wind up being the sixth man we've been calling for Green to be this upcoming season.

what about their 15 million dollar man peja? Who has nearly identical numbers with ariza.

@f5alcon

I assume Thorton will be the SG, and Ariza will play SF.
PG - Paul
SG - Thorton
SF - Ariza
PF - West
C - Okafor
That's not a bad lineup at all, problem is they have no depth.

If we were to acquire Prince or any sort of backup at SF, then that's pretty telling of Jeff Green's future.

prince is a good 3 pt shooter and used to be a good defender, but I don't see where he gets minutes, unless the trade also involved thabo and prince plays the two. That would be a long lineup westbrook/ prince/ durant/ ibaka/ aldrich

they basically are losing collison and their backup SF for a starting SF, whom i would assume is going to play out of position at the 2, unless then bench peja.

It hurts their depth, and who knows how healthy paul is right now, and if pail leaves in two years they dont have a replacement. So yeah I think it makes them worse overall, but not by much. If they stay healthy then it probably is a good move, but if paul gets hurt then they are going to have issues.

It sounds like a great trade if we only have to give up Mo Pete, but who does Prince take minutes from? Green?

Interesting article about Prince. I kind of like the idea of it, and it doesn't sound like mo pete is really competing for much playing time anyways. I don't know anything about prince's personality, do any of you?

HoopsWorld suggesting that the Thunder should consider trading Mo Pete for Tayshaun Prince.

Tried pasting a link. It's not showing up, so it may be there, may not or may be there three times.

No it's been a problem for a long while, I've just never mentioned it.

Since I can't login at work for a reply, I'll try it this way...

@f5alcon
You think this move weakens New Orleans? I realize Collison is a nice PG, but he won't see more than 15-20 mpg (at best) while Paul is healthy. They have serious issues on the wing and they got a good player. Ariza played really well the first couple months of the last season and then started suffering from nagging injuries. Ariza likely won't get them into the playoffs, but without much doubt I think he makes them a better team. He's a good defender and quite the stat-stuffer.

All I know is... I still don't like the new system.

Is this something new that just started happening?

Anyone else have a major crashing problem on DT? I'm on Firefox (latest version) on a Mac and every once in a while, the browser will crash when I reload the page. Given how often you need to reload the pages to keep up with comments, this gets to be an issue. It happens both at work and at home.

Whoa, just realized what clicking on the "in reply to..." link does. Pretty cool. Much more elegant than just jumping you to the comment.

indiana needed a PG, but murphy was a good stretch 4. and I think this weakens houston and new orleans, they had better hope paul is fully healthy. but makes our conference easier for us.

Collison is younger and substantially better than either of those guys. He can be a starting point guard on a good team for a very long time. (Not that I think Indiana is a good team. They just went from really bad to mediocre, imo, which is the worst place to be for an NBA team: capped out and picking in the 11-16 range every year)

Because Collison is much better than those two guys at running a team. Both of those players need to play beside another guard to be effective, and that is not the style of play that Indiana wants to run.

If Bird wants a decent PG,why not trade Sessions?Or he can sign West.

Yeah, this. Ariza does fit that roster pretty well, but, if you can't do better than Ariza + Posey contract dump, it makes more sense to just hang on to Collison, no?

Ok, now it makes more sense for Houston. Chad Ford updated his article with this:

For the Rockets, aside from acquiring Lee, the move is largely a salary dump. This summer the Rockets spent a lot of cash signing Luis Scola, Kyle Lowry and Brad Miller to free agent contracts and their payroll ballooned to $81 million. Before the trade, the team was bracing for a $10 million-plus luxury tax hit. The deal would save them $28 million on the life of the contracts and $10 million this season, including luxury tax considerations.

It's a pretty good trade for Indiana to get Collison. Murphy is a pretty dang good player though, and I would trade Courtney Lee for him in a split heartbeat. Maybe Lee is better than I think, but I think he's the least valuable player in the deal (not counting Posey, who is just a contract toss-in).

Trading Troy Murphy for Darren Collison + Posey's contract makes a ton of sense for Indiana. Collison is a very good point guard and is the Pacers' biggest position of need.

Bird is crazy to get posey。They have Danny Granger and Paul George.Why dose he add a new player?Just for a PG?

I like KDs response ""Somebody told me if we win the championship, I'll go see the president,''

http://twitter.com/chadfordinsider/status/20901006...

Breaking: Hornets, Rockets, Pacers & Nets working on 4 team deal. Ariza to NO. C. Lee to HOU. Collison & Posey to IND. Murphy to NJ.

Really? Surely that can't be right. Something else has to be going Houston's way.

Did you read it?
http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/08/10/kevin-durant-no...

Your president forgot to invite KD who is the best player in DC to his games.Or he didn't want to play with KD because he invited Rose and Billups