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The sophomore…surge?

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We’ve all heard of the sophomore slump and while it does exist in every sport at every level of competition, the NBA is an intriguing case study for the opposing phenomenon of the sophomore slump: The Sophomore Surge.

(By the way, it was really hard to not title this the sophomore Serge, but I resisted.)

You see rookies are known, if not even expected, to do two horrible things in their rookie season. They take unbelievably ill-advised and often rushed shots, thereby plummeting their FG%, AND they turn the ball over so much that coaches round the world simultaneously smack their foreheads and yearn to call for a sub.

Are there exceptions to this rule? Well, of course—but not really. I mean of course there are exceptions in that not everyone is going to suffer from both and some will do better in these categories than others but, pretty much across the board, a rookie is going to take better shots and take better care of the ball more in their second-through-retirement seasons than they will in their rookie season. In fact, I’ll go out on a very short limb and say it should come as no shock to any of us that professional basketball players get better the more time they have to play professional basketball up until that no fun thief known as age steals their youth and physical prime.

It’s called experience and adapting to the speed and level of play of the Association. So why all the references to the sophomore surge? Well, seeing as the Thunder are still one of the youngest teams in the league and have a core consisting of players all under the age of 23, we have witnessed that “jump” from the rookie season to the sophomore season in terms of production and development. In fact, we’ve also seen the jump (via Durant) from sophomore stud to junior All-Star and MVP candidate (though please don’t expect all Thunder players to make that jump).

And since there are three rookie pieces that are as essential to the Thunder’s rise to the next stage of competing for a championship, the sophomore surge of Serge, Harden and Maynor will greatly affect the current and futures success of this team.

So what can we expect?

Well, for starters, you might not want to expect the same dramatic jump that you saw from Durant, Westbrook and even Green make for the Thunder’s newest sophomores. And here’s why…

If experience is the most important component of that surge from wide-eyed, bushy tailed rookie to a little more seasoned sophomore, then minutes played is a pretty big factor. The more a rookie has time out on the court at the highest level of basketball, against the best competition, the faster that experience piles up.

And that’s kind of the problem. Take a glance at what Durant, Green and Westbrook averaged their rookie seasons versus the surge they experienced in their sophomore seasons.

Rookie Westbrook: 15.3 points, 5.3 assists, 4.9 rebounds, 1.3, steals, 3.3 turnovers, 39.8 FG%, 27.1% 3PT in 32.5 MPG
Sophomore Westbrook
: 16.1 points, 8.0 assists, 4.8 rebounds, 1.3 steals, 3.3 turnovers, 41.8 FG%, 22.1% 3PT (ouch) in 34.3 MPG

Rookie Durant: 20.3 points, 2.4 assists, 4.4 rebounds, 1.0 steals, 2.9 turnovers, 43.0 FG%, 28.8% 3PT in 34.6 MPG
Sophomore Durant:
25.3 points, 2.8 assists, 6.5 rebounds, 1.3 steals, 3.0 turnovers, 47.6 FG%, 42.2% 3PT in 39.0 MPG

Rookie Green: 10.5 points, 1.5 assists, 4.8 rebounds, .60 steals, 2.0 turnovers, 42.7 FG%27.6% 3PT in 28.2 MPG
Sophomore Green
:
16.5 points, 2.0 assists, 6.6 rebounds, 1.0 steals, 2.2 turnovers, 44.6 FG%, 38.9% 3PT in 36.8 MPG

Now I bet the first thing on your mind is, “Hey, Durant and Green’s turnovers went up and Russ shot worse from 3 PT range than in their rookie seasons.” And yes, that is all true. However turnover rate is a more accurate representation of their improved ability to take care of the ball in their sophomore seasons as Durant and Green played a good chunk more minutes in their second years than in their first and Russ averaged the same turnovers in more minutes.

In other words, their turnover rates improved, as did their shooting save Russ’s depressing 3 PT% (remember, we’re talking OVERALL shot selection…just keep telling yourself that, I have to).

But did you happen to catch the italicized stats there at the end of each year? Minutes Per Game. Green had the lowest with 28.2 MPG in his rookie year, whereas both Durant and Westbrook were comfortably over 30 MPG.

Now take a look at the rookie statistics for the Sophomore Three (that’s right, everyone’s naming trios now so count me in) from last year.

Rookie Harden: 9.9 points, 1.8 assists, 3.2 rebounds, 1.1 steals, 1.39 turnovers, 40.3 FG%, 37.5% 3PT in 22.9 MPG

Rookie Ibaka: 6.3 points, 0.1 assists, 5.4 rebounds, 1.3 blocks, .93 turnovers, 54.3 FG% in 18.1 MPG

Rookie Maynor: 4.7 points, 3.3 assists, 1.6 rebounds, .49 steals, 1.05 turnovers, 41.8 FG%, 31.0% 3PT in 15.7 MPG

So you see the problem? Not a single member of the Sophomore Three logged at least 25 minutes a game. Heck, Westbrook logged twice as many minutes as Maynor, Durant nearly did the same as Ibaka and only Harden was even close to the lowest minutes member, Jeff Green, but still logged almost 20% less minutes than Green did.

In other words, Westbrook got twice the experience of Maynor, Durant almost did compared to Ibaka, and Green got 20% more experience than Harden.

So this spells doom, right? Eh, not so much.

While it’s absolutely important for the players to get minutes in terms of their development, there are a few other things that can be even more valuable when it comes to experience. One of the most important factors just so happens to be the playoffs. And luckily for the Thunder’s newest trio, they got to experience that invaluable factor against the defending and soon-to-be-repeating World Champs.

Here’s their numbers from that experience:

Playoff Harden: 7.7 points, 2.5 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.0 steals, 38.7 FG%, 37.5% 3PT, 84.2 FT% and 20.0 MPG

Playoff Ibaka: 7.8 points, 6.5 rebounds, 2.0 blocks, 57.1 FG%, 70.0% FT and 25.5 MPG

Playoff Maynor: 3.7 points, 1.5 assists to .83 turnovers,  1.5 rebounds, 30.0 FG%, 16.7 3PT% and 81.8 FT% and 12.7 MPG

I’m not saying that experience cancels out an utter lack of minutes played, but it helps. A lot. Those are numbers they put up in the highest pressure situation, against the best team in the NBA during their rookie seasons folks.

But not only does that experience help, competing for playing time on a competitive, almost always in every game they play, postseason caliber team does as well, instead of logging the majority of your minutes when the game’s already been decided and you’re totally outclassed by your opponent.

So it’s definitely possible for Serge, Harden and Maynor to experience a surge comparable to Durant, Westbrook and Green’s (in the context of their roles and playing time, don’t quote me as saying they’ll all explode next year). But what would a reasonable surge even look like?

Well just after the season ended I did a special three-part installment on the Necessary Development of these three players and forecasted their next season totals if they all experience a Durant/Westbrook/Green-ian surge in the context of their roles on the squad. As of today, I still agree with myself, for the most part, and think it’s completely possible (notice I didn’t say probable) that a marked improvement will be seen as follows:

Sophomore Harden: 15 points, 4.5 rebounds, 3.5 assists, 1.25 steals, 45.5 FG%, 40.3% 3PT and 31.5 MPG (lowered a bit from the forecast but I think 31+ MPG is the only way he sees such a surge…and honestly, if he doesn’t see those minutes, why pick him third overall?)

Sophomore Ibaka: 10.5 points, 11.2 rebounds, 2.0 blocks, 56.1 FG%, 72.5% FT and 30.1 MPG (man I hope his minutes is at least this, if not more, but Aldrich, Krstic, Green, Collison…you get the idea)

Sophomore Maynor: 6.5 points, 4.5 assists to 1.2 turnovers, 2 rebounds, .75 steals with 44.0 FG%, 38.9 3PT% and 79.0 FT% and 20.0 MPG (I think we’ll start seeing some more Maynor/Westbrook backcourts more often when the Thunder goes small, which is how he’ll get this many minutes)

Now is it entirely possible that none of the three even approach these numbers? Of course.

But if they can come somewhere reasonably close to this type of production next season, I think the Thunder will be an incredibly scary team who will absolutely challenge for home court in the playoffs.

Only about 100 days before the last week in October! Not that I’m counting.

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I see Durant's minutes coming down one or two, Green's coming down three or four, Westbrook down a couple. That's all due to the fact that these players we're talking about will improve and even if not to the level that JG talks about, they will improve, and taking those few minutes away from KD, Green and Westbrook will make them fresher for the playoffs. Serge gets more minutes, averages 8 boards and 8 ppg, Harden gets more minutes, improves his defense averages 13/4/4, Maynor gets a few more minutes, 6 ppg, 4.5 apg. Aldrich starts slow, similar to Ibaka last year, averages 15 minutes by the end of the year with Krstic getting much fewer minutes. Sefalosha losing minutes, Collison losing some time, Weaver, White, Mullins, Peterson with no minutes. I think Cook could get some run if he's hitting the three in small line ups or situationally. I see the Thunder improving as a team, winning 50-53, getting the 3rd spot and hosting a first round series. Go Thunder!!

@Greg

There are many ways the rotation can be designed or allowed to evolve.

What they do in the 4th quarter will be an interesting part of that. Early, middle, late season and in the playoffs. On the one hand you might want to see some Peterson and a good amount of Collison then, especially if any of the other main bigs were struggling in one way or another. On the other hand, if it is all or nearly all about the long-term, do you bother? If they go for a strong playoff push and development you can get a lot done on both but they will be some trade-offs. Playing Aldrich every game for 10-20 minutes is different than a usually but not always 5-12 minutes and a quicker hook and usually watching in the 4th.

would be nice to see Harden add a mid-range game. He can shoot the 3 and he's shown better ability to get to the rim(still needs to finish better) but he doesn't seem to have anything in between.

Harden won't get 30 plus minutes a game because Sefolosha, for all his faults, is a core player on this team. He's part of the future so Harden's going to have to split minutes.

On the other hand there are gaping holes at center and back-up PF. Why shouldn't Serge take all of Krstic's minutes?--he's going to be a much better player, and soon. They forcefed Durant, Green and Westbrook minutes to mostly good results in terms of development. Why not try the same thing with Serge? For this team to become a contender they're going to need him to improve quickly. He needs the minutes to get better.

It really irritates me when people think Cook or Peterson will get minutes. I just don't see it happening unless Harden majorly disappoints or someone gets injured. There is no reason Thabo and Harden can't use all the minutes at SG, even without Maynor and Westbrook sometimes sharing the backcourt.

Remember Sefolosha is a good player, so is Green.........

I think eventually Harden will average 30-35 minutes a game but not this year. He still has a lot to learn most importantly his decision making. I'm pretty confident he will get there though.

As for Serge he needs to foul less to play 30 minutes. I also don't see 11 boards, he is a good rebounder but not great unless he box out better. In his prime I could see 30 minutes per game with 10 boards and 3 blocks.

dream catcher :Those numbers and minutes are extremely unlikely.

Just like we all said Durant averaging 30 points a game and Russ averaging 8 assists a game were highly unlikely last year.

Of course they're unlikely, we're operating under the assumption that all three see marked improvement and an increase in minutes. But by no means do I think they're completely unrealistic.

And now that I think about it, if these three don't see more minutes like this, I'm not sure how successful of a push for home-court advantage the Thunder will have since not many Western teams not named Phoenix moved backwards at this point (Al Jefferson to the Jazz being the biggest move thus far to right the ship) and the Rockets, Clips, Grizzlies, etc should all be much improved.

Those numbers and minutes are extremely unlikely.

@iBlocka
My biggest desire from Ibaka is that he learns to box out on every possession. Sure, he had some great leaping grabs that got us the ball, but he also gave up some easy offensive boards simply because he relied to much on his athleticism. Once he figures out that he can get more boards and stay in the game longer by using superior technique, he might just make it happen. I'd love for him to develop more of an offensive game or court vision, but I'm most interested in seeing him become the dominant rebounder and shotblocker that we know he can be.

I am biased (i.e. my name) but if Ibaka doesn't see those minutes it will be incredibly said. His defensive energy brought a lot to the floor.

We are stacked with young talent, but once you let the cream rise to the top you must recognize it as the cream. Stats and numbers can help rationalize a decision, but I am more of a visual guy. We had Ibaka in when the games mattered in the playoffs and he made a presence.

His presence put some of our guys in his shadow (ahem Green). On a side note, I hope he works on his court vision and passing.

Relying on pure statistics as a measurement for player development is a self defeating policy. However, the biggest thing Harden needs to improve upon is his FG% and A/TO rating. Last year they were definitely undesirable. Seeing an improvement in these two categories will be the only chance he has to play serious minutes.

If Thabo could just knock down some 3's, he'd have even more value to this team.

I just looked it up, and yes, Mr. Sefolosha was a 2nd team all defensive player last year.

I'd love to see Harden earn a starting spot over sefalosha, but how do you sit a guy who was 2nd team all defense last year (I believe that is accurate) on a primarily "defensive" minded team.

I think Green will get some of his minutes spelling KD. As the other players get more experience, KD won't have to play 40 min/game. If he continues at that pace, expect him to burn out before the end of his new contract.

If Harden, Ibaka, Maynor get 82 minutes and Durant, Green and Westbrook get at least 104 and maybe 110 then the rest of team would get between 48 and 54. Would that be 20 between Thabo, Weaver, Peterson and Cook and 28 to 34 between Collison, Krstic, Aldrich, Mullens, White and Reid / Williams?

A few minutes on regular season game average don't matter a huge amount for any player.

Ginobili cracked 30 minutes a game only once in 8 regular seasons but did so in 5 of 7 playoffs.

While regular season minutes are important, playoff minutes and playoff minute decision-making matter more.

Those season totals for Ibaka also don't take into account how much he improved during the season. For April, small sample size I know, he averaged 7.4 reb per 22.4 minutes. Had 9 rebounds several times in the playoffs with under 30 minutes. Take into account his added muscle and work on technique. I think 10 rebounds per 30-35 minutes is to be expected of him, his fg% is going to go down, but his rebound totals will be completely dependent on the amount of minutes he gets, I'm hoping for at least 25 but thats a lot of minutes that you are taking away from other players as has been mentioned. Hopefully the team realizes that Green and Ibaka should be getting the same number of minutes, and the faster Ibaka matures, the faster we become a title contender. If I were the coach I'd give him 30 minutes minimum.

Hey, Lou Amundson is a pretty decent player, no disrespect to him at all. I remember Rick Sund having him for two workouts.

@Greg
yeah no yao puts them about where they were end of last year, lots of offense weak defense.

Gery Woelfel of the Journal Times chimes in with this on Monday.

"Houston officials are hopeful All-Star center Yao Ming will be physically sound for the regular-season opener," he writes. "But I'm hearing the Rockets aren't about to rush their star back too soon and he could miss up to the first two months of the season."

That would be good news.

@f5alcon
I think he will too. I'd be surprised if Thabo, Green, and Krstic weren't starting. It's possible that the only way the starting lineup could see any changes is if the team is struggling at some point during the season, and that's not exactly something I'm hoping for. There's always the chance Thabo continues to be an offensive liability and Harden shines, or Green is still inconsistent and Ibaka expands on his playoff performance and shows the ability to play big minutes.

@Greg
i agree about krstic, but he still may start early in the season

If we trot out the same starting lineup, then I think best case Harden sees 26 mpg and Ibaka 28 mpg.

I hope that Presti/Brooks realize that if Thabo, Green, and Krstic all see playing time similar to last year, then we shouldn't expect much better results than last season. First round playoff exit.

But if a couple months into the season, Harden and Ibaka are proving capable of more minutes, then I really like our chances to get to the conference finals. Aldrich would REALLY have to impress to get the starting job at any point in the season, but RW-Harden-KD-Serge-Aldrich seems like as potent of a lineup as we can put out there.

Some games we may need more Thabo and more Green for whatever reason(s), but I'd like to see both those guys come off the bench. And I'd give anything for Krstic to come off the bench - not only should he not start, but a bench role seems fitting for him. If he's knocking down his jumper, ride the wave. If not, yank him.

@f5alcon
Not sure I'm totally with you on this one. Ginobli is an energy guy off the bench and he gets way more than 30 MPG. In fact, Serge's status as a bench player going against non-starts for a good chunk of his minutes is one of the reasons I had his production so high (and partly why I think his production was so high as a rookie).

Now I'm with you 100% on Weaver and Cook never seeing the floor barring _____ to key players and/or foul trouble.

rates dont scale with minutes, because players are more tired cant be an energy guy off the bench if he is playing 30 mins a game. 8/8/2 is what i hope from serge.

We still are defensive oriented so i think thabo will still see a good amount of playing time, probably still start, cook and weaver might not see the floor all year.

I agree with your ideas on minutes, though. Even if it might not happen, I hope it does.

J.G. Marking :@justin So you’re saying Ibaka’s going to be as good as them if he does? Awesome.
Like I said, possible, not probable.
But for fun, how many rookies in the last ten years put up Serge’s #’s with his FG%?

Using the same critera (i.e. PPG/RPG/BPG/FG%), nobody. But that's very misleading as there have obviously been far better rookies than Serge at PF.

justin :It’s not impossible but let’s put it this way, I’ll lay you pretty good odds if you want to make a bet on it.

Haha. After last year, I'll never feel confident about anything projected for this team.

So you win when it comes to who will blink first.

...though if I'm right on any of them I'm taking full credit!

It's not impossible but let's put it this way, I'll lay you pretty good odds if you want to make a bet on it. :)

@justin
So you're saying Ibaka's going to be as good as them if he does? Awesome. :)

Like I said, possible, not probable.

But for fun, how many rookies in the last ten years put up Serge's #'s with his FG%?

justin :Ibaka is a lot closer to Amundson than he is to Shaq, my friend…

I'd say either comparison is missing the mark since, seriously, there will only ever be one Shaq.

That's like trying to compare Durant to Jordan or Damien Wilkins.

Ibaka got 7.8 points, 6.5 rebounds and 2.0 blocks in 25.5 minutes against the defending champs in his rookie season in the playoffs, against two of the best big men in the game.

I still don't see a 10/11/2 as impossible at all.

List of players to put up 10/11/2 on 55%+ in the last ten years: Shaq, Dwight, Mutombo.

I like Serge but not that much.

Ibaka is a lot closer to Amundson than he is to Shaq, my friend...

@justin
I'm with you, but I think comparing Serge Ibaka to Louis Amundson is a slap in the face to Air Congo. Just like I think comparing Serge to Shaq is a GIANT slap in the face to Shaq.

If Brendan Haywood can get close to a 10/11/2 in similar minutes as Serge could get next year, I have a hard time deeming Serge's potential impact next year as preposterous.

One more thing, I'm not doing this on a minutes x2 calculation but more a gut feeling based off of their production from last year and their projected improvement. And I'm shocked that you think a 2.2% FG improvement for Maynor's FG% is impossible (even the 7% 3PT improvement doesn't seem outlandish to me as I think he's a better 3PT shooter than he showed last season and, shoot, even Jeff Green saw an 11.3% jump in his Sophomore season).

I think Maynor is a better overall shooter than he showed last season and will be a lot more aggressive (especially with the floater) as a scorer next year, which will be his first training camp and COMPLETE season with the team

i.e. for Serge to get that many rebounds in that many minutes he's looking at 20%+ TRB. That would be an over 10% increase from his rookie season. Very high expectations..

@J.G. Marking

You must take Serge's rookie statistics with a grain of salt. His rates match up well with those guys, such as BLK% or TRB% or TS% when all factored together. Extrapolating that to 30MPG+ and expecting totals of 10/11/2 (which would require a further increase in his productivity) is a whole other matter. If this was the case then Eric Maynor could start for us and average 10+ assists and 3 turnovers. Or Lou Amundson could put up 10/10/2 in a starting role.

If you keep in mind that Serge was a bench player who played less than 20MPG then his numbers compare more closely to someone like Amundson than rookie Shaq.

@justin
Plus, and I know this will begin an entirely different discussion, but I do think Green's minutes will get lowered a small amount this season (much to your delight).

Commence rabid debate...

@justin

@Joe
To answer both of your comments: Yes, I think Thabo sees his minutes diminish as Harden gets more time and Maynor gets more run alongside Westbrook. But the MPG are on average, as in, foul trouble, going with what works, etc. Perhaps I should have said 17-20 minutes for Maynor, 28-32 min for Harden?

Now justin, I find it interesting that you listed Shaq, Duncan and Moses Malone because weren't those the players who Serge's rookie statistics matched up to the best?

Optimistic...oh absolutely.

Unrealistic...I think that's a bit harsh. But then again, after last year, I'm having a hard time gauging what's too optimistic and too realistic.

I think all your numbers are a bit unrealistic.

Only two times in NBA history has a player had more than 4.5 assists and that few turnovers a game that you have for Maynor, plus the shooting numbers for him are ridiculous as he was worse than Westbrook last year in scoring efficiency.

We all hope Serge can put up 10/10/2 but again, here's a list of players who put up 10/10/2 age 21 or younger over more than half a season: Shaq, Tim Duncan, Moses Malone. Probably not going to add Serge to this list.

Harden's the most realistic but again that's a huge step.

I'm with F5alcon on this one. No way does Harden get 30 minutes a game with Daequan, Weaver and Thabo all working hard for minutes in practice, and I don't think he's quite ready yet. He needs to finish better and he needs to learn to pull up when the paint is packed and shoot a short shot or a teardrop/runner like Maynor. However, I did see his game evolve and improve over the course of a season.

Also, for Maynor to get more minutes he has to be paired with Westbrook or come at the expense of Westbrook, either way you are taking minutes from Westbrook or Harden, which is why Harden won't get 30 per game. I think Maynor is great, and he is a better point guard than some starters in this league right now, but not this year on this team unless somebody gets hurt.

Now, Ibaka is to me definitely deserving of those 30 mpg, but he won't get them because Brooks is a player's coach (as a former player). He knows what it feels like to bust your a** day in and day out in practice so that you can get a bone of PT, only to be left out. He will find a way for Krstic and Colly and Green to get their minutes,(and we have this new guy named Aldrich) and so that leaves Ibaka with minutes in the high teens to low 20's per game unless somebody gets hurt.

Most of this will all be cleared after this season when Krstic is gone and maybe even D.J. White. I see the Thunder likely bringing Colly back at a discount as the vet big who doesn't get to play too much unless somebody is in foul trouble or hurt.

I Maynor is getting 20 minutes and Harden is getting 30 minutes that means either Jeff Green or Thabo are getting their minutes cut significantly.

I'm disappointed you resisted the urge to rename the title Sophmore Serge.

I am of the belief that either Serge or Cole need to really put a stamp on the season for the Thunder to take the next step forward. But... I suppose Durant going to 40 per game would do it as well.

Krstic is getting phased out very, very soon. After next year's all-star break I doubt he's going to be playing 10 minutes a game. This team is all about the future and they'll give the minutes at center to Ibaka and Aldrich as quickly as they earn them.

The motley crew (ineffective or inexperienced) of centers and power forwards on OKC will NOT be able to keep a talent like Serge off the floor.

I'd be shocked if Serge doesn't play starter's minutes (30 plus).

i doubt harden or ibaka get that many mins this year, i think harden is still a year away from starting, i think harden will be 26-28 mins and serge will be 22-24 mins. But otherwise if they got those mins the gials are reasonable