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Wednesday Bolts – 6.30.10

Dime talked with D.J. Augustin and asked him about Kevin Durant: “DIME: Talk a little bit about Kevin Durant. I know you guys have some history together. Did you expect him to be this good this fast? DA: Yeah, I always knew KD would be the player that he is because I’ve never met anybody that is so talented and has the body that he has. He’s 6-9 and can play like a guard. And then his mental aspect of the game, I’ve never seen somebody work as hard as he does. He doesn’t know when to stop. I know he has all of those abilities and then has that attitude to go along with it. He’s going to be unstoppable. I’ve seen him work so hard, I had to stop myself like “Man, you need to chill.” He doesn’t know when to stop, man. He just loves basketball.”

Bill Ingram of HoopsWorld on KD’s extension: “In truth, there is only one superstar free agent whose future we can predict with absolute certainty: Oklahoma City Thunder forward Kevin Durant. Loyalty isn’t even the word to describe Durant’s feelings toward the Thunder and team GM Sam Presti. He feels OKC is home, and he looks forward to helping build that team up to the Western Conference powerhouse many believe they will be in the next couple of seasons. A source close to the situation told HOOPSWORLD recently that Durant can’t wait to sign the extension, and that he’ll waste no time doing it.”

Darnell Mayberry writes on Jeff Green’s contract extension and how it’s more important than KD’s: “Meanwhile, Green’s contributions, and what they’re worth, have become an afterthought to many. But, like Durant, Green also is eligible for a contract extension this summer. And Thunder management has a critical decision ahead of pinpointing Green’s worth. It’s a decision that could have long-lasting effects for the next six seasons. If Oklahoma City overpays Green, the franchise’s financial framework could be wrecked. If the Thunder comes in too low, the team could ruin relationships or, worse, lose a key cog to what is quickly showing the makings of a soon-to-be championship-caliber squad. Avoid both and find a middle ground and Green’s deal still could set a standard for the franchise’s players who follow. It’s the business of the NBA at its best.”

ESPN’s free agent discussion summit last night was tremendous. That needs to become a regular feature.

In case you didn’t know, Morris Peterson is on Twitter. Somebody should make him a new background.

KD’s basketball camp starts today. I always love those camps. Always cool to see kids playing KD out there, especially since he’s kind of like them.

Chris Silva with a nice profile on Ryan Reid: “Few draft pundits had Ryan Reid on their draft boards. But the Thunder had been following the Florida State product closely throughout his four-year career. And like Executive Vice President/General Manager Sam Presti said, there are no silver bullets when it comes to evaluating talent. Oklahoma City heard the Florida State coaching staff rave about Reid’s attitude and defensive abilities, about his work ethic both on and off the court. Off it, Reid became the first member of his family to graduate college. On it, he was so fundamentally sound as a defender that FSU head coach Leonard Hamilton told the Orlando Sentinel earlier this season that he wanted to make an instructional video on how to defend based on Reid’s defensive techniques.”

A sneak peek at chapter two in JG’s excellent fiction novel.

Some thoughts on Byron Mullens: “At twenty-one years old, Mullens is still raw and still young enough to have the rough edges sanded off. But, Mullens, could conceivably become the kind of pick and pop center that Russell Westbrook could do unforeseen damage with, leaving the Thunder’s lone superstar, Kevin Durant, to challenge the league again for Most Valuable Player honors for a second consecutive year. As the 24th overall pick in the 2009 draft and former the #1 pick of the Dallas Mavericks, Mullens has something to prove. He is a veteran now and should be looking to claim one of those coveted fifteen roster spots for next season. This summer, Mullens can take steps towards asserting that the big man they are looking for was drafted in June last summer.”

Baseball Prospectus’s Will Carroll writes that Sam Presti is one of the best GMs in any sport.

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justin :@DizzyDai
Cook shot 31% or something cruddy from 3pt range is that supposed to be our shooter? His career 3pt is worse than Durant’s.

He's shot much better from 3 in the past, also won a 3-pt contest. He's still only 23, he's worthy of a roster spot unless he continues to tank in pre-season like he did his last year in Miami.

@J.G.

If Boston re-signs Pierce I'd guess it would probably be in the neighborhood of 3 yrs $45-50 million. More than that would be mo' crazy.

I asked this question at the link but I'll ask it here too-

What is the ratio of “Pick and Roll Ball – Handler” to “Pick and Roll – Roll Man” plays for Westbrook, the team and the league as a whole? How about for Harden and Durant?

Given the efficiency difference you'd want Westbrook to hit the roll guy more about I'd like to see how that share of pnr plays compares to a good team or league average.

@Justin

Are you able / comfortable summarizing from the Synergy data about OKC players' pick n roll efficiency?

@DizzyDai

Cook shot 31% or something cruddy from 3pt range is that supposed to be our shooter? His career 3pt is worse than Durant's.

@Anonymous

good article and agree with pretty much all of it. its no coincidence that the best pick-n-roll players are Nash, Williams, Paul...all can shoot the 3 and are all great passers.

but we all know Russ needs improvement on his shooting and half-court offense.

half-court offense is something that needs improvement. think we all saw that in the playoffs.

The "opportunity cost" would go away if never used. To keep waiting for a better opportunity can be detrimental if that better opportunity never arrives. I think that has been missed in some of these discussions.

To argue hypotheticals (Presti COULD HAVE gotten more than Maynor if he had waited...Presti COULD HAVE gotten a better free agent or trade with his cap space over using it (plus picks) to move up for Cole+future 1st if he had waited...) is easy to say but impossible to prove. What if a better trade than Maynor never came up and the opportunity was totally lost? What if Lee doesn't sign here, the T-Wolves ask way too much for Jefferson/Love, etc. etc. and the Thunder can't get a better center than Krstic for the coming season? At the end of the day I think you need to judge Presti by the players he has brought in, the financial situation of the team, whether the future continues to look brighter, etc. etc. That's something that can be debated more tangibly than whether Presti jumped too early at trades or MIGHT HAVE gotten something better. And, actually, I don't think many people here would debate with the future prospects of this great team.

Sammy :

I’m starting to think you’re just not reading the words that I type. Eric Maynor and Thabo Sefolosha are two players we would not have been able to acquire if we didn’t have any cap space. Expiring contracts do not equal cap space. Do you understand this concept?

You're acting like Presti spent all the cap space. We still have enough cap to absorb rookie contracts like Thabo's or Maynor's. I agree Presti did pay a price to acquire Aldrich, but I don't think it was too much.

justin :@Greg

The opportunity cost isn’t only David Lee, but any number of free agents or traded assets that might become available during the offseason. This is going to be a hectic offseasn, lots of teams vying for cap room, lots of free agents, teams on sale that want to cut salary… who knows what kind of opportunities to prove the team could have materialized. But because Sam Presti basically took the legs out from under us in the draft, we won’t have the same flexibility to take advantage of these unique circumstances in the league.

What other pieces do we need to add in trade or free agency? A shooter? Try Cook or Peterson. A legit center? Look at Aldrich. I'm not sure what else you are looking for.

@Kev

Because NO ONE saw Lee as a future All Star... (maybe you did) So with that being said who knows how good Cole Aldrich will be?

Mike :I know stats don’t tell the whole story but…
David Lee 6-9 240lbsFlorida SeniorCareer Averages:PTS – 7, 11.2, 13.3, 13.6REB – 4.7, 6.8, 6.8, 9.0BLKS – 0.7, 1.5, 0.5, 0.8FG% – .549, .624, .772, .714
Cole Aldrich 6-10 250Kansas JuniorCareer Averages:PTS – 2.8, 14.9, 11.3REB – 3, 11.1, 9.8BLKS – 0.9, 2.7, 3.5FG% – .518, .598, .562
I realize that Lee is a proven commodity being an NBA All Star… But I think Presti made the right move

then why make this comparison??

I know stats don't tell the whole story but...

David Lee 6-9 240lbs
Florida Senior
Career Averages:
PTS - 7, 11.2, 13.3, 13.6
REB - 4.7, 6.8, 6.8, 9.0
BLKS - 0.7, 1.5, 0.5, 0.8
FG% - .549, .624, .772, .714

Cole Aldrich 6-10 250
Kansas Junior
Career Averages:
PTS - 2.8, 14.9, 11.3
REB - 3, 11.1, 9.8
BLKS - 0.9, 2.7, 3.5
FG% - .518, .598, .562

I realize that Lee is a proven commodity being an NBA All Star... But I think Presti made the right move

Pierce will be overpaid bigtime for his last contract - he was too inconsistent in the playoffs . . .

@Sammy
oh yeah i forgot about him

Last 2 season Pierce has been PER 18 regular season, PER 16 in the playoffs.

f5alcon :@J.G
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yeah it would be almost as bad as no brian scalabrine

It's okay, they've got Luke Harangody now.

@J.G.
yeah it would be almost as bad as no brian scalabrine

@Crow
It's a very, VERY valid viewpoint in my opinion as well.

But man, Paul Pierce is the Boston Celtics. That'd be rough to see.

Pierce to the Clips would make mutual sense to me.

If I were Boston I would not re-sign for huge bucks / long-term or maybe at all. Time to re-load in my mind.

Shaq was 32 at the time of the trade.

@Greg

Shaq went from PER 30 in 2002-3 to PER 24 in 2003-4. He had some more good regular seasons but never again over PER 20 in the playoffs.

Not sure how much the handcheck rule played into this decision. i'd image that pick n roll defense with Shaq and the PG got tougher after this.

The trade in summer 2004 after losing 4-1 in the finals wasn't a completely easy call but they didn't want to pay him $28 million for the next season given the weakness of the returning roster and they didn't want to give him another contract. Moving Shaq eventually created the conditions that allowed the Gasol acquisition. Kupchak decided when he needed to re-load and he achieve his next edition goals.

@justin

Maybe Utah has given up trying to beat LA and figures their best path to victory is to try and beat the team that beats LA for them.

Crow :The Hayward over Aldrich pick by Utah surprised me. Without that no Aldrich for OKC.

Yeah especially with Okur hurt, they could have really used Aldrich.

The Hayward over Aldrich pick by Utah surprised me. Without that no Aldrich for OKC.

@Crow
Any GM who doesn't want the 2 best basketball players in the world, at the time, on his team is a ruh-tard.

@justin

The responsibility for the trade was part Kobe, part Shaq, part Dr. Buss to stick it to Shaq to make Kobe happy and show who was in charge and part Kupchak. Kobe might have been enough to get it done but the others were all willing to do it.

Man, is it summer league time yet? I'm jonesing for some BB

@Sammy

@Greg

KD was suprised the other day when we traded for Cook and the 18th, I believe. I remember one of his tweets thanking his followers for keeping him up to date.

@Greg
I don't think any GM gives their star veto power, except maybe Lebron.

@Sammy
Agreed. I'd highly doubt that Presti ever "consults" Durant. But it seems that Presti may ask Durant for the "green light" on moves, that wouldn't surprise me either.

@Greg
Yeah, I know. That doesn't really mean anything one way or another. 'Talk' is a pretty vague verb.

Sammy :@justin
Also, I don’t really think Presti is running decisions by Durant for his approval. Probably just letting him know what’s going on so he isn’t ever surprised on ESPN or whatever. It doesn’t seem likely that RC Buford’s disciple would give his star any sort of decision making power.

Can't find the article but it was actually Durant who said that Presti 'talks to him before he making moves'.

Brett :@Bryan
At least we’ve moved on from the Eternal Jeff Green Debate… at least for one day.

What'd you say about Jeff Green?

NOH would have taken Patrick Patterson IMO.

Sammy :@f5alconThere’s no way the Hornets would have taken him otherwise, unless some other team traded into their spot. As soon as the pick was made, everybody pretty much knew a trade was imminent.

Didn't some mocks have Aldrich going there? I mean after all, they aren't overwhelmed by Okaford and were trying to dump him.

@f5alcon
There's no way the Hornets would have taken him otherwise, unless some other team traded into their spot. As soon as the pick was made, everybody pretty much knew a trade was imminent.

@justin
Presti was heavily involved in talks leading up to the draft, so I'm sure scenarios with the Raps were explored.

Also, I don't really think Presti is running decisions by Durant for his approval. Probably just letting him know what's going on so he isn't ever surprised on ESPN or whatever. It doesn't seem likely that RC Buford's disciple would give his star any sort of decision making power.

@justin
thats assuming that the hornets wouldnt have drafted him otherwise

Sammy :If the Indiana proposal was the 21st and 26th plus Eric Maynor, I’d do that in a heartbeat over the deal we made (taking Bradley or Bledsoe with the 18th). If the proposal was the 18th + 21st + Maynor, I like Presti’s deal better.

From where I heard about this it was not specified. I don't think Presti wanted to trade the 18th at all, I think he got that pick just to get Kevin Seraphin (as reported by Bucher and Windhorst).

i want david lee, but i dont think the chances were ever better then 30%, probably not even that high, presti made the sure choice getting aldrich is better then nothing if we whiffed on the free agents. really if we wanted to we could trade krstic or collison or mo pete or buy them out and go sign lee.

We could have a smaller version of this FA chaos next year with Melo and CP3 so those expirings might come in handy for the teams that miss out this year.

We spent a lot of money bringing Maynor here (in terms of cap space) and spent even more so we didn't have to lose him. Sam Presti must like him. Presti did say he consults with Durant on all moves. Maybe that has an effect on him.

I wonder how far Aldrich would have fallen if we didn't do that trade. Could we have worked something out with the Raptors?

I like the fact that Presti made the move when he had it... sure he could have waited for FA or the season and used the cap space to acquire a player, but who knows who that player would be or if that situation would even present itself. We were in desperate need of some big bodies, and we got 2 guys who look like they can be players in this league. I really like the idea of signing Lee, but it was not a sure thing. I know the 60/5 number is tossed around a lot but what would we have done when some foolish GM misses out on all the top tier guys and throws stupid money at him?

The fact that we are even talking about possibly winning a championship in the next 5 years just one year after winning 23 games is amazing. As a longtime cowboys fan I can tell you there is no such thing as a sure thing, and we all just need to enjoy the ride... Seriously is there anything better than having a young exciting and talented team to root for... Imagine being a Timberwolfs or Wizards fan right now... We have it made

If the Indiana proposal was the 21st and 26th plus Eric Maynor, I'd do that in a heartbeat over the deal we made (taking Bradley or Bledsoe with the 18th). If the proposal was the 18th + 21st + Maynor, I like Presti's deal better.

And Chandler didn't opt out... for those hoping he would make his return to the Thunder.

Sammy :@justinThe route we did go is certainly less risky and more mindful of the long term.

The typical Presti route. It sounds pretty logical to me.

@Bryan

At least we've moved on from the Eternal Jeff Green Debate... at least for one day.

@justin
Then we have no backup PG. Probably would have used the other 1st round draft pick on Bledsoe or Avery.

But instead, we took back an expiring contract that won't handcuff us past this summer, AND got a potential future lottery pick from one of the worst franchises in sports.

I like Presti's deal more than your's.

@justin
It's pretty close... would you rather have the 26th pick and lose Eric Maynor or pick up a future Clips pick and lose half our cap space? The route we did go is certainly less risky and more mindful of the long term.