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Five players that could suit the Thunder in the second round

Hitting that home run in the second round of the NBA Draft is like closing your eyes and swatting a fly in a warehouse. There aren’t really any sure things. But there are great players to be found. I don’t think I need to list any, but I of course will: DeJuan Blair, Manu Ginobili, Carlos Boozer, Michael Redd, Paul Millsap, Anderson Varejao, Nick Van Exel, Rashard Lewis, Toni Kukoc, Dennis Rodman, Gilbert Arenas – the list could go on and on.

So with the Thunder holding some 47 draft picks this year, assuming they choose to hold on to all of them, there’s a better than usual chance for OKC to find the elusive diamond in the poo. So I’ve compiled a short list of players that might deserve a look with one of those second rounders. These guys could very well never seen anything other than Greece or Israel. But maybe they’re the next big thing from the second round. It’s a total crapshoot, the second round is.

Andy Rautins – 6’5, SG, Syracuse
Rautins is an excellent shooter. He’s got some size and some length. Two things hurt him: He played in Syracuse’s 2-3 zone so we have no idea what kind of defender he is and along those same lines, who/what can he defend? He’s caught a little between point guard and shooting guard and doesn’t really fit in either category. But he’s a solid passer (4.9 apg his senior year) and a dead-eye shooter. He’s best coming off screens and has a great off-balance release. The Thunder need a guy to hit something from the outside and really just serve as a specialist. I think Rautins could be that guy. But he could also very well be a five-time All-Star for Barcelona. Guys like him don’t always work out. Kyle Korver has. Steve Novak really hasn’t. Rautins is somewhere in between that.

Remember Robert Vaden?
Vaden was taken by the Thunder 54th overall in the 2009 draft. He was seen as a scorer that could light it up from the outside. He’s one of those examples of a guy that might work out eventually, but he didn’t immediately. After draft night, I remember people talking about Vaden filling a need and potentially helping the Thunder. It’s easy to do the day after. But the reality often is that he’ll never play. Second rounders don’t often make rosters, especially the ones taken in the lower realm of it.

However, in Europe this past year Vaden averaged 16.9 ppg and shot 40 percent from 3. He’ll probably be on the Thunder’s summer league team and might have a chance to prove his worth again. The reason I bring him up is just because we can get caught up talking about who can help and who’s a good fit. DeVon Hardin, another second rounder, is another good example of this. Big body, strong but raw offensively. Sounds familiar, right? Often times, even though on paper it looked good, it just doesn’t work out. At least immediately. And potentially never. That’s why they’re second round picks.

Dexter Pittman – 6’11, C, Texas
Pittman was a BIG underachiever (pun sorta intended) at Texas. He has some unique gifts and decent athleticism for his size. He lost a ton of weight and actually had a pretty good physique for his senior year. At times, he looked like one of the best big men in the country. But as mediocre players are prone to do, he’d also disappear, get in foul trouble and toss up a major stinker in a big game. He’s also a question to put on 50 pounds in an offseason. But he’s a big, big man. He’s tough to move off the block, has good hands and finishes well. He’s the kind of guy that you can maybe stuff on the block for 10 minutes a night to push around on Dwight Howard or Pau Gasol. Maybe.

Trevor Booker – 6’8, PF, Clemson
I secretly like Trevor Booker a lot. He’s strong, quick, mean, works hard, has 3-point range, has a big wingspan and can defend. His cons are that he’s a little small in stature and raw offensively in the post. But I see Booker as the kind of player that will work his butt off for you, fight hard on the glass, block some shots, bang with any big you put up against him and will be good for at least one awesome putback a night. He’s almost like a smaller Serge Ibaka with less offensive upside. If he were three inches taller, I think he’d be a lottery pick.

Gani Lawal – 6’9, PF, Georgia Tech
A lot of people liked OKC taking Lawal with its second first round pick last season. But Lawal went back for another year and didn’t really help himself all that much. His offensive game is raw, he doesn’t have range outside of the paint and was one of those “disappear randomly” guys. But he’s gifted around the basket, has good hands and could turn into a good interior defender. That’s what I see in guys like Pittman, Booker and Lawal – the ability to eventually be able to defend bigs on another team, or at least push them around some.

Jon Scheyer – 6’6, combo guard, Duke
Did you know Scheyer was 6’6? I didn’t. I thought he was more like 6’4. But he’s a guy that can shoot, can handle and get even get to the rim. He could run point or play off the ball. Obviously again, like Rautins, you wonder if he could defend Kobe Bryant, but as for a marksman with other abilities, Scheyer could fit.

There are five other players I’ll highlight too in a week or so, so just consider this part one. Again, I’m not saying these guys are going to be home runs. But when looking at trying to find that diamond that could fit and work out for you, I think these five fit the bill – at least better than most of the others in the pool.

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Gerald Lee of Old Dominion is a player(6'11"). He domainated Saunders this year in their confrontations and he consistently improved over the four years.

Greg, you are right that the max the Spurs can pay Splitter is mid-level- if they are over the cap, which they are, so that is a factor that I hadn't fully processed. If the Spurs can't get it done, they can pick up the phone... or I think they can force Splitter to wait til they can afford it which shoul dbe possible summer 2011 or 2012 depending on what they do with Parker.

For another team to get Splitter, Splitter will have to ask for a very large salary (probable) and the other team will have to give the Spurs something they consider a better performance / cost value (more iffy). A better value would likely have to strike the Spurs as being a more immediate and more certain fit. It is possible, but they might try to get a team to take Jefferson in the package. It is possible that might be worth it, but it is likely to be a trade with a lower net impact and it sounds like a complicated longshot.

@Crow
I thought the max the Spurs can pay Splitter is mid-level? And that any other team can offer more than that.

I'd be surprised if the Spurs let go of Splitter. I've assumed that getting him in the draft and planning to eventually get him over was a big part in letting Scola go. They can now pay whatever to sign him and they will need to greatly exceed the rookie scale to get him to come over.

A sign that this draft maybe a stronger test of GMs than usual:

Donnnie Walsh: "...between 20 and 40 there are 40 players that everyone likes," Walsh said. "Between 20 and 40 you can't really tell who's going where, but there are 40 players."

Now maybe the greater agreement that often reigns is often wrong but this looks tougher than usual and I'd say into the top 20 as well.

19990-1991 first-time champ with Jordan Bulls were below average age by this simple measure. Teams were older then on average. But it has been a long time since a young team won it all. They still had 4 guys 30+ in the rotation.

Presti should be able to get three rookies who make the team if he doesn't trade the picks for a center. Guys like Pondexter,Bledsoe, Robinson will be available. All have proven they can play, have strong character & are elite athletes. The more interesting questions is if/how Presti can package the picks with his cap space & a player or two (Krstic, White, Weaver, etc) to snag a legit upgrade at center. Here's hoping that's Tiago Splitter.

Minutes weighted values could look different but the simple age of roster at start of season was 4th and 5th oldest for the Celtics and Lakers. Cavs were in top 8 oldest too. Phoenix just slightly above average in age.

When was the last time someone was actually young that won the title? Not sure. Unless I missed something in a quick check, they have in top 7 oldest since the three-peat Lakers and at least above average in age for last 15 years.

When does the Thunder get to above average in age 2014, 2016? Sooner?

Booker would be a GREAT fit. Very reminiscent of Dejuan Blair. Just a blue collar, work horse that would give some extra fire off the bench along with Serge Ibaka.

Gotta think Pittman would feel a little more comfortable making the transition with his classmate on the other side. Crazy to think that if it was a 4-and-done rule and not a 1-and-done rule, Durant would be entering the draft with Pittman.

@Greg
It worked for the Bulls....

@justin
Fully agreed. I'd really like to get either Jordan at 32.

If either Jordan (Crawford, Jerome) slips to #32 I'd be upset if we didn't pick them. These other guys are candidates for the lower 2nd round picks, I don't think any of them except maybe Lawal should warrant consideration with the 32nd.

A draft often called deeper than usual could heighten the haul of the better GMs who have or get multiple picks and pick better.

should be... "west" (and east)

with obviously a focus on the west

In trying to get separation within a tight tier of teams after the Lakers. draft brilliance or luck may do more to alter things than trades or free agency if those latter things go rationally.

@Paul

My statement that you highlighted was on the bland / trite side, but I meant / think this draft is even less clear than normal and that performance in it to some degree will serve to separate within tight bunches in the east (and east) both now and over the next few years.

'Gody in the late 2nd round, if seen as a career backup / insurance policy / practice player might not be bad but lots of guys might not be bad picks there. The 1 on 1 workouts against guys with NBA size would be pretty important for "Gody.

Da'Sean Butler,I think no team draft him this year.If he can recovery from his injure,signing him can help the team

Crow :
This draft will be a good test for GMs.

As opposed to every other draft???

Of the five listed in the article I can most see interest in Rautins and Pittman.

Armon Johnson shot really well at the combine but I guess is kinda of a mixed bag overall.

This draft will be a good test for GMs.

I agree with Zoubek and I like Landry Fields from Stanford. I also like Luke Harangody with a second rd. Pick.

A lot can happen or not between now summer of 2012 or 2013 but as of right now the Clippers would be very lightly committed then. To get to the Lakers would take a sign n trade which wouldn't happen unless it was successfully forced, which is a low likelihood but has happened.

@Crow

Pretty sure both LA teams will still be capped out in 2-3 years(assuming the Clippers spend their money on Gay or Johnson or whoever this year and that OKC will be giving Russ an extension before then.

He was at the Lakers game the other day. Nothing wrong with that but... one or both LA teams might go after him in 2-3 years if they get the chance.

Westbrook can slip some but he works to avoid it and probably more often than not gets back on track if he does slip.

Presti's interior picks so far have different body types, styles and roles but they are all pretty steady, not that emotional or wildly up and down. I expect that will continue and that is generally sensible.

The number one way for players to be productive is for them to fit roles within the team. The reason Darko has never been productive isn't a lack of talent, it's more he's never been given an opportunity until last year when he joined the T-Wolves. The reason teams like the Spurs, Blazers, and Rockets are so notorious as drafting teams is because they draft players that fit their system and have good value regardless of where they pick. So expecting some 2nd round player to become some all-NBA player isn't necessarily what we should be drafting for, if it happens great. However, I'd much rather we get more guys like Collison with those picks. Guys who will be solid pros even if never spectacular. I'd much rather throw out someone like him every night knowing what we're going to get than someone like J.R. Smith from Denver. Sure sometimes he wins games for people, but he also loses tons of games for them as well.

Trevor Booker? The 'stretch' 4 that can't shoot, rebounds poorly, and who gets his offense in the post where he'll be extremely undersized in the NBA? I'll pass...

Pittman is like Kwame Brown to me. Has all the things that you think would make a player, but just never lives up to it. Most of the Texas games I watched he was on the bench, foul trouble, disappearing act, whatever. I was even saying he might be worth it after he put in serious work on his weight, thought it was a good indicator of his new found work ethic and mindset, but it didn't translate to the court.

At 51 it would be nice to try to get a guy who can actually make the roster or is very likely to agree to play abroad.

Zoubek may not be the best left at 51 but you could do worse.

Booker or Lawal are much better options at that pick.

Dex is not worth the 32nd pick. He's a great guy and has worked his butt off to lose all that weight and get into this position but he's still a major, major project and in a draft like this he's not worth the 32nd pick.

He has very soft hands, nice touch, and has good timing when blocking shots but he's got some very big flaws. When he posts up he is very unfundamental. He basically stands straight up, and his feet are far too close together. This allows for guys to push him off his spot, even though they have no business doing so.

The team also needs a 3rd string PG like Juan Fernandez... he makes 45% of 4.7 3pt attempts a game.... can't hurt.

The odds look pretty good for getting a guy worth a serious look at 32. It will be disappointing if they take someone there that doesn't eventually make it in. Even at 51 they should have a pretty good chance to get a guy who is at least worth a look, at some point.

As a Texas fan, I feel obliged to defend Pittman, or at least make the case that he'll be a solid pro...but I just don't see it. Yes he's got the big body, and absurdly soft hands, but he doesn't have the demeanor to take advantage of it, and lacks enough body control to stay out of foul trouble. I'd love to be proven wrong, as by all accounts he's a great guy, but I'd be disappointed if the Thunder took him with anything prior to the 51st pick. At that point, sure, why not.

....makes little girls like you ask questions

Sammy :@Snowflake

Monroe 3rd, Hayward 9th, Cousins 10th… this is crazy land.

You forget that he likes controversy.... creates buzz, traffic.

Gottleib is an idiot.

Gottlieb is hilarious.

Last season, he wanted us to take Jrue Holiday w/ the #3

@Snowflake
To me, big mistakes in the top 10 are a lot more egregious than big mistakes later in the draft. Personally, I don't think Hayward should be in the top 20.

@Sammy
That's not that far off though, Monroe is top 8 and Hayward is top 12. Cousins is obviously too low but it's nothing too outrageous. SI has Eric Bledsoe 30th and Patrick Patterson 10th. That's pure insanity

@Snowflake
Monroe 3rd, Hayward 9th, Cousins 10th... this is crazy land.

@Sammy
I don't have many huge problems with Gottlieb's board. Cousins and Alabi I feel are too low but I like that he doesn't put Evan Turner 2nd. I'm not as a big a fan as everyone else is on him

@Snowflake
Gottlieb's is still worse.

@Sammy
I agree, that has to be the worst draft board i have ever seen

I think someone will take Pittman, and I hope it isn't the Thunder. I'm with Sammy, I'd much rather have Jerome Jordan at 32 than Pittman.

However, if we've already drafted a big, then Jordan Crawford would be cool.

@Daniel
put him and ibaka on the floor together...play 3-2 zone, watch the opponents panic

Jarvis Varnado. NCAA all-time shot blocking leader. The guy blocks shots with ferocity. He could pump energy into the 2nd unit like Chris Anderson does for the Nuggets.

@Charles
I'm pretty interested in Zoubek as well. We can grab him late, he has size, and plays with a ton of energy.

SI's big draft board is really weird.

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