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Wednesday Bolts – Serenity Now Edition

J.A. Adande: ”Just when I thought the Thunder had erased every reason to doubt they can win a playoff series — the usual suspicions such as “too young,” “too inexperienced,” “defense not tight enough” — they got served a big reminder of why they likely won’t get past the first round: They won’t get the calls from the officials. I hate to talk about the officiating as the key to any series. I hate to talk about it in any game. But it’s unavoidable after a no-call at the end of overtime in a wildly entertaining game, when Utah’s C.J. Miles hit Kevin Durant on the forearm while Durant was attempting a game-winning 3-pointer. The ball fell well short of the basket and Utah escaped with a 140-139 victory.”

KD’s reaction: “That game hurt right there I’m not gonna lie! But it was fun!! Blessed to have had the opprotunity to hoop again..thank u jesus!! Okc babe!”

Zach Harper for Hardwood Paroxysm: ”You’re blowing this no-call against Kevin Durant and the Thunder WAY out of proportion. I’m reading things all over the internet about how Kevin Durant not getting a foul call at the end of a regular season game in which the Thunder will still get to go to the playoffs regardless of the outcome is a tragedy. Apparently, it’s a travesty and a sham and a mockery.  I’m sorry but you’ve got to get over this and put things in perspective. CJ Miles did block Kevin Durant’s shot at the end of the game. You can clearly see that he gets a little ball. The problem with the block though is that he hit a crap-load of hand on the follow-through. It’s not even close. It should be a no-brainer call. Put Kevin Durant at the line for three shots. Considering he’s having a historic free throw shooting season, I’m guessing he makes two of the three at worst and the Thunder have to wait out a desperation heave with 0.6 seconds left. If the heave falls by the wayside, the Thunder are sitting pretty with 49 wins, five games to play and their sites on a possible division title. Unfortunately, the whistle didn’t get blown. Welcome to the NBA.”

Simmons: “I wanna know if the NBA will admit that the refs blew a call that potentially cost OKC a 2-seed. That was a travesty.”

Mike Baldwin: “The Thunder all season has focused on their next game. But the controversial ending will make it difficult to move forward. Besides playing an extra five minutes, 53 intense minutes of playoff-caliber basketball, the Thunder boarded a plane around midnight Oklahoma time and probably didn’t arrive in Oklahoma City until 2 or 3 a.m. Tonight’s game will be the Thunder’s sixth game in nine games.”

Kelly Dwyer: ”Over the top fun, this game, from beginning to end. Well, not the end. The end was terrible. The very end, I mean. Not the trading shots in overtime or Deron Williams’ brilliant go-ahead jumper (Jerry Sloan, somehow, managed to place 12 cutters on the floor at once for that last play; genius) with 1.1 seconds left. No, Kevin Durant was hacked on the shooting arm as he unleashed a hopeful game winner. It was obvious in real time (so much so that I was hoping it was a mirage of sorts, that the impending replay would show a clean block), and there’s no excuse for that. Referee Tony Brothers, a guy I’ve never been able to find a fan of, probably won’t be seen much over the next few weeks, and I have no problem with that. Even a split-second decision like this should have some ramifications.”

Spencer Ryan Hall of Salt City Hoops: ”So that’s what it feels like to watch one of the all-time great regular season games. Both Deron Williams and Kevin Durant put on a show that will have people buzzing for years. Deron put up 42 points and 10 assists while making defenders look silly at every turn. Meanwhile, Kevin Durant was sensational just being Kevin Durant and hitting huge shot after silky, huge shot on his way to 45. If he isn’t accosted on that last play, is there any chance he doesn’t hit that shot? None. I could really watch Williams and Durant trade baskets every day for the rest of my life. Let’s lock up the Thunder and just play again tomorrow.”

SLC Dunk: “The Jazz were the first team in NBA history to be given a win based on a non-call from a referee. Did CJ foul Durant on his final shot? Yes. Would I be pissed if I was a Thunder fan? Hell, yes. But I’m not going to lose any sleep over it and neither should you (if you’re a Jazz fan).”

Ross Siler of the Salt Lake Tribune: “Kevin Durant has every right to be furious at Tony Brothers after that call. His shot didn’t even reach basket because he was fouled.”

You know what my favorite part about last night was? The sheer passion that erupted from the Thunder fanbase. I knew folks cared, but man, you guys REALLY care. That’s so awesome. But now that game is over, you’ve read all the reaction and it’s time to move on.

Hollinger gives his All-Defense teams. Three Four Thunder players were mentioned.

Kevin Durant has recaptured the scoring lead again. He’s averaging 29.9 to LeBron’s 29.7.

Vince Thomas says KD is Most Improved: “This award has always been tricky. Is it a “invisible to noteworthy” player’s award or a “really good to exceptional” player’s award? Typically, I like to award the latter, which is why I give cats like Rondo and KD greater weight. In the end, my pre-All Star sentiments have not changed. It’s still simple. KD has gone from a burgeoning star to one of the two best pure-scorers (along with ‘Melo) and six best players (along with Bron, Kobe, Melo, D-Wade and CP3) in the league.”

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Why can't fair calls be made on young teams? Seems bias that fairness only given to well connected 'veterns'. I see money as factor. Veterns have higher salaries thus they get calls?NBA going to pay more in the end unless thry fix this cheating for 'veterns'.

Interesting observation from the BDL chat:

Durantula has the worst set of fundamental offensive skills of any terrific scorer in the history of the NBA. Debate at your leisure. :-) Right now, Kevin is scoring a tonne without really knowing how to play basketball at a very high level, as far as using screens and picks and creating separation is concerned.

@clarkem
KD ain't that great when he gets too tired to drive.

@Sammy
I understand that that dooesn't seem to make sense. But if they both wear eachother out (maybe its homerism) but I like to think my boy KD would still come out better.

Brock just left the Venture compound to pay Tony Brothers a visit.
Mid-4th we're down by 1 and Utah goes on a run. We're down by 11 or whatever and I lean over to my buddy next to me and said "this is when we need Durant to carry the team." I couldn't believe some of the 3's he was making. Especially the one he launched from Ogden. Watched the game at Seven47 in Norman b/c a musician friend was playing for his b-day. Even the people in the bar that don't watch basketball were yelling and high-fiving each other. The band had to wait till end of OT to start.
Lebron's the best player in the NBA today, but KD showed last night that he's right behind him. 21 years old. Ridiculous. We're so 'effing lucky KD plays for the Thunder.

@clarkem
So you want Melo to expend energy guarding Harden but you want KD to expend energy guarding Melo. I don't know about that. Guarding Melo takes a ton of focus, physicality, and energy, much more than it would take Melo to guard Harden. I say let Thabo OR Harden take Melo and let KD use his length to freelance, which I think is his strongest suit on D.

For the record I love Thabo on this team. I love watching good defense and that is what he does. Ideally I would like to keep James on the bench to be our sixth man. We just need some offense from Thabo. From everything the team says he has the ability to shoot well we just need to see it.

Sammy :@clarkem

We’ll see tonight, but I imagine that against Denver, Thabo would work on Melo quite a bit, and Afflalo on Durant.

I honestly hope we don't do that. I know that they will play Afflalo on Durant he is their best defender, but then that leaves Melo to guard Thabo. I want Melo to have to actually work some on D so he doesn't just get to go all out on offense then relax. With James in he would be forced to chase all over the floor and fight through screens. This would be immensely helpful.
As for when we are on D. I would like to see KD matchup on Melo. It might not be a great matchup for Kevin due to Melo's shear strength but I would like to see our star willing to fight tooth and nail to out play another star ala Kobe guarding melo in the playoffs two years ago.

Jax Raging Bile Duct :@clarkem

I would like to disagree with point #2, but I can’t figure out who on our team could guard DWill. A non-fatigued Thabo can do it, but right now, no one can.

Agreed.

Spurs are close to extending Manu for 3 years.

@clarkem
We'll see tonight, but I imagine that against Denver, Thabo would work on Melo quite a bit, and Afflalo on Durant.

Thabo doesn't have quick feet, he can't guard PG's. He just can't. The guy is 6'7" for crying out loud. There's no way he can consistently stay in from of players six inches shorter than him, and about five times quicker.

I agree with Clark. Unless he's playing well offensively, which is rare, Thabo is a situational player. He doesn't serve much of a purpose on the offensive end, and when his utility on the defensive end isn't high (like it is against the Lakers or Blazers) then the team is probably best served using James Harden.

I think we rely too much on Thabo, and use him too much in situations that aren't optimal for him. He should really only be on the court against SG's or SF's that can hurt us. Or if we're going against a team's bench and his low output offensively doesn't compromise us much. Otherwise, there's no reason not to play Harden. I hope this changes next season.

@clarkem

I would like to disagree with point #2, but I can't figure out who on our team could guard DWill. A non-fatigued Thabo can do it, but right now, no one can.

I know there are some big time Thabo lovers out there, but I've been thinking alot about the teams we might see in the playoffs and what I want his role to be in each of those matchups.
For the West teams:
1.)Lakers- Thabo needs to start and play solid minutes on Kobe. I honestly believe that is our only chance.
2.)Utah- In this scenario I would love to see Harden starting or at least playing the majority of minutes. I have stated before my beliefs that Thabo's tendency to help off his man kills us against Utah. Also, there is no premier threat he has to worry about. James would give us points and tighter man defense to hopefully keep Utah from swinging the ball to wide open shooters as easily.
3.)Dallas- This is another team where I would like to see Harden a little more. If I had to choose the more frightening of the two SG's for Dallas it would be Terry when he is on. James can at the worst match Caron Butler I believe.
4.)Phoenix- This one is hard for me. Thabo might get the nod for majority playing time because J rich can do some damage.
5.)Denver- This is definitely a game where Thabo would be best of the bench because like him or not J.R. Smith can be a fantastic shooting guard. I'll take James Harden on Afflalo and Thabo on Smith every time.
6.)San Antonio- This one obviously depends on if Manu is starting. From previous examples Thabo will be given most of the time during a SA matchup but I can't help but want to see more of JHARD on Manu. I feel like it could be a good matchup.
7.)
8.)Portland- I want Thabo on Brandon Roy. When Roy is out I want Harden in immediately, and I want him shooting 3's.

justin :Deron Williams is just a little bit better than Shaun Livingston. Just a little bit.

Semantics

@Bob

amen to that. i also live overseas and going to bed at ten past five in the morning on THAT note was not fun.

i just read an article on manu from kelly dwyer's ball don't lie blog on yahoo sports, and he mentioned something that made me think.

Dwyer (or was it kerby? anyway) said that the spurs have been in "win now mode for the entirety of Tim Duncan's career" - and you guys call me out on this but i think i see the same pattern with the Thunder. They've got a defensively minded (at least until the last couple of games...:( [104 points @ Boston, 114 @ Dallas, 111 vs Sota, 140 @ Utah]) core, a transcendent superstar in KD, a tony parker slash n shoot pg in Russ, heck, even a shut down corner three hitting defensive guard type in thabo (although as had been pointed out earlier, thabo is a long ways from bruce bowen)Jeff Green even plays the role of Robert Horry with his clutch threes...now if only Harden can become a Manu type player, but we can give him another year for that.

Anyway, sorry for the rant, had four hours sleep, I'm sure you can say these things about other defensively minded winning teams, but I'm just tossing this out there.

And seeing as how I followed the Warriors religiously from 05-to now (yes, before I followed the Thunder but i have seen the light :P), I think steph curry would have been a great fit coming off the bench. we wouldn't have traded for maynor, not if steph was coming off the bench scoring his 10-20 pts a game...also keep in mind playing in _on Nelson's team the stats are jacked up a little bit...

Anyway, glad I've found greener pastures than the Gol_en State Warriors, because there's no "D" in Oakland. :D

My response got erased, Didn't Williams just have a career game on Westy?

Deron Williams is just a little bit better than Shaun Livingston. Just a little bit.

kev :

justin :
justin :S. Livingston just had the game of his career on Steph Curry.
Didn't Williams just have a career game on Westbrook?

I’m assuming so, anyway. That Curry was guarding him.

yes – Curry guarded him most of the game . . .

@justin

I'd like to see more Ibaka with Green. Kristic and Nick seem to play off eachother pretty well and I think Ibaka could really make up for Jeff's defensive issues against elite PF.

@Jax Raging Bile Duct

Yeah.. doesn't mean he'll reach it, but it's tough to think that Sam Presti thought Russ would be this good this quickly. There really isn't much separating him from Derrick Rose right now (overall) and of course Rose was a much more highly touted prospect.

justin :
I think Russ has a higher ceiling for his position than Lopez.

I think you're right. Which is either a stroke of genius, or amazing good luck.

Harden has his TS% up to 55.2% on the year, incidentally, less than a percentage point less than Stephen Curry.

I wish I had a window into the multiverse, to see a universe slightly off from ours where we would have picked Brook and Stephan. If I liked what I saw, could I pass over? Would I still be married to my wife? Would my kid be less of a maniac? Have I started drinking already on my off-day? Would my hair-line still look like Nenads?

Yet he's only getting 21 minutes a game. James Harden should be playing more, I agree with kev that his defense has vastly improved. Offensively he's still learning but he's been the man lately for the most part scoring the ball.

Thank Kev .. I appreciate it.

@Bob

James Harden's shooting over 40% from 3PT range since he returned from injury, and he's has a 64.7% TS during the same period. He's been scorching.

The Utah game last night got me. I've been talking bullshit everywhere i was going crazy and i think i still am. I live overseas. The game yesterday started at 3 am here. It ended early in the morning. I did not sleep. I went out to play basketball myself and the only thing i had in my mind was deron (bleep) williams. That game yesterday was great but i'd rather have seen a blowout than such a game. It just killed me. The player i have always hated most is Jason Terry... now deron williams and carlos boozer are in my top 3.

Thabo has to hit that three... no excuses. Harden is also not hitting it well lately and we desperately need his three's. I have seen thabo limping twice and as above mentioned he has never played so many minutes in a season. It must be hard to guard in over 2000 minutes the bests in the league. I think he should sit a game out (golden state one).

I think Russ has a higher ceiling for his position than Lopez.

I think we have capable players but our rotations are messed up and uneven. I don't like Krstic / Green defensively. I'd prefer Collison / Green or Krstic / Collison or basically any other combination to even out the lineup. We're getting burned with our first unit out there consistently lately.

Everyone already knows that I was wanting Lopez, and I still like him. I just like guys who are true centers that have soft hands and no injury history. Brook is a tad immature, but not immature on a Demarcus Cousins level. As rare a player as a true center is, I thought it was a mistake passing him up.

But as far as him being a leader and having passion and fire... he really doesn't show that. However, we would have Durant and Green for leadership, which is a role they already fill. Tim Duncan is a quiet mannered leader, so maybe Brook could have that in his future. I see them as similar.

As for Harden/Curry, I still like Harden as a more complete wing player due to his size, but Curry has that special IQ and sniper shot ability that could really put a good team into contention. Hopefully James will grow on a scale similar to what we've seen with Durant and Westbrook.

Do you guys think we still need a banger in the paint, and a true center.
Or would we have still lost the game with those type of players?

Funny note, Simmons wrote and article today about Rasheed Wallace. OKC note is, this quote "When Sheed inexplicably caught fire against Oklahoma City last week, the crowd yelled "Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!" ". Is this the first time he has said Oklahoma City and not Zombie's?

justin :Ronny Turiaf is one of my favorite players I hate that he’s stuck on Golden State.

I love watching him play - he's not really a starter but he's worth the price of admission . . .

justin :

justin :S. Livingston just had the game of his career on Steph Curry.

I’m assuming so, anyway. That Curry was guarding him.

yes - Curry guarded him most of the game . . .

Ronny Turiaf is one of my favorite players I hate that he's stuck on Golden State.

justin :S. Livingston just had the game of his career on Steph Curry.

good call - obviously Livingston has 4-5 inches on him, and he posted him up repeatedly . . .

MastrMatt :@kev
If we had drafted Curry, what would our rotation look like? I’m definitely not bagging on you. I loved Curry in the tournament. I haven’t watched any of his games other than OKC, so I don’t really know what his NBA game looks like and if he plays any defense.
Thanks!

that's the problem with Brew's statement - I wanted Curry here, BUT with me charting defense all season, I can see one of the reasons why he wasn't picked . . .

Let's say we got Curry instead of Harden - then What?

Curry (despite all reports to the contrary) is a PG, and he has PG size, not SG size. RW is a point guard and he's small for a two guard. There is no way that those two can play extended minutes TOGETHER in this defensive scheme. Why? We'd be outmanned at the two no matters who guards that off guard. Anytime RW guards two guards, they take him right in the post and we have to send help.

So then it's Curry off the bench (or RW - but probably Curry since RW already had a firm hold on the starting gig). Curry can play 10-12 minutes per position, but IMO that's not enough time for him.

So in short, I dont think they ever seriously considered drafting him.

As for Curry, I will go against my usual inclination not to give my opinion on him since you asked.

I have seen all the Warriors games this year (thank God for Tivo). He's a very good on ball defender - he's slight, but he has EXCELLENT footwork. He fights over screens most of the time. When he doesnt, he's quick to reestablish position on the other side. When defenders appear to have an advantage, he does a great job of blocking their path to the lane. He has quick hands and his steal rate (at last check) is top 10 in the NBA. His main drawback (besides him being lean) is that he sometimes tries TOO HARD on defense. He is in foul trouble ALOT. Even when he is playing with two fouls early in the second, he is overaggressive and he has a tendency to pick up that 3rd foul. And if anyone has been following Warriors basketball (and you probably havent been because they stink), you know that ALOT OF thier games they played with only 8-9 players suited up. So obviously he has to get better at not fouling. His contesting and rotating is excellent, and he sprints back on defense if he has to catchup with his man. In short, Curry and Turiaf are the only Warriors that really care about playing defense on a consistent basis.

And don't forget, curry was the one jennings dropped 55 points on earlier this year

justin :S. Livingston just had the game of his career on Steph Curry.

I'm assuming so, anyway. That Curry was guarding him.

S. Livingston just had the game of his career on Steph Curry.

MastrMatt :@kev
If we had drafted Curry, what would our rotation look like? I’m definitely not bagging on you. I loved Curry in the tournament. I haven’t watched any of his games other than OKC, so I don’t really know what his NBA game looks like and if he plays any defense.
Thanks!

that's the problem with Brew's statement - I wanted Curry here, BUT with me charting defense all season, I can see one of the reasons why he wasn't picked . . .

Let's say we got Curry instead of Harden - then What?

Curry (despite all reports to the contrary) is a PG, and he has PG size, not SG size. RW is a point guard and he's small for a two guard. There is no way that those two can play extended minutes TOGETHER in this defensive scheme. Why? We'd be outmanned at the two no matters who guards that off guard. Anytime RW guards two guards, they take him right in the post and we have to send help.

@kev

I've seen the same things and our whole team is getting a lot more snippy with refs and not getting back on defense. We're versatile, but we're not versatile enough to make up for mis matched coverage in transition.

Hopefully it's just a symptom of a young team finding its way.

@kev

If we had drafted Curry, what would our rotation look like? I'm definitely not bagging on you. I loved Curry in the tournament. I haven't watched any of his games other than OKC, so I don't really know what his NBA game looks like and if he plays any defense.

Thanks!

Brew :@kev Every time I look at your picture, I daydream of where this team would be with Lopez at C, and Curry running the point. Dang you Kev.

I wish we had Curry . . . but of course you could probably figure that on your own - I usually refrain from talking about Curry in here (because of my obvious bias) but I did this time since it was in reply to you . . .

as far as Lopez is concerned; I am not sure about him . . . I've seen the Nets several times this year, and I don't see that fire in him (will to win) that you expect from a leader - still, I'm probably being too harsh, he'd jsut be a #2 or #3 here, and that would be good enough . . .

@kev
Every time I look at your picture, I daydream of where this team would be with Lopez at C, and Curry running the point. Dang you Kev.

The transition defense is suspect as you said . . .

reasons - Brooks wants Westbrook to rebound - I have no problem with that - the problem is that there is NO (oncourt) adjustment . . .

this happenes several times every game - Westbrook goes in for a layup and misses, and he's under the goal - meanwhile his man is at the free throw line waiting for the outlet - there is no way RW (in trot mode no less) is covering - then Thabo has to check the point guard, leaving his man open . . . the problem is that Wesbtrook HAS to hustle back when he's deep in the lane - I've seen him SPRINT back once the entire year, and (obviously) I was shocked when I saw that . . .

Even Durant has been jawing or whining a little more than usual (after a non call), and that second or two he spends glaring at the official is when his man gets a jump on him on the break . . .

the trail defenders (Ibaka, Collison, Green) still lose track of their man (when that trail is an outside shooter) . . .

Harden seems like a smart guy, but sometimes you see him lost in transition . . .

Charlie :
Wait, so Simmons is officially calling us OKC now?
I love how KD keeps everything in perspective. Whatta guy.
KD’s reaction: “That game hurt right there I’m not gonna lie! But it was fun!! Blessed to have had the opprotunity to hoop again..thank u jesus!! Okc babe!”

He's referred to us as OKC and Oklahoma City multiple times. He just won't refer to us as the Thunder. Pretty sure he explained this one time as not wanting to hold it against the fans and city (thus he's allowed to call us OKC) but he wants to hold it against the ownership group (thus not calling us the Thunder).

well KD took over scoring lead from lebron

@Charlie
He's always used OKC. It's the Thunder moniker he balks at.