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Peace, Love and Thunderstanding: What Happened?

Why. The. Face?

How could the the Thunder go from obliterating the defending champs in game 4 to being obliterated two nights later? On Sunday morning, the talk was about how the Lakers looked old, fat, and unmotivated. On Wednesday morning, the talk was about how the Lakers look hungry, fresh, and invigorated.

I was so angry while watching the game that I spent a lot of it diagnosing what went wrong, and trying to figure out how to swing the momentum back again.

HOME COURT

My partner in crime at The Lost Ogle, Patrick tweeted during the game:

I wouldn’t think the home court would such a big deal for professionals. Shows what I know.

As a fanbase, we have enjoyed the good that comes with having a team full of players who are right around drinking age. On Tuesday night, and probably in games 1 and 2 without really realizing it, we saw the bad. These guys, who in olden days would have been resting after the NCAA tournament, obviously fed off that Ford Center crowd and were intimidated by the Staples Center “faithful.”

If we think the Thunder can overcome this factor in Game 7, we’re probably deluding ourselves. That being said, they can totally do it.

HOMETOWN

As much as the whole team has suffered in LA, the Thunder’s two guards who grew up in SoCal and likely dreamed of playing in the Staples Center have been worse. That familiarity has not seemed to aide James Harden and Russell Westbrook. Both players seem to press when playing on the soil they were raised on.

If we think the Thunder can overcome this factor in Game 7, we’re probably deluding ourselves. That being said, they can totally do it.

During the season, Westbrook was actually a slightly better scorer on the road than he was at home. Not so much in LA. Versus the Clippers and Lakers at the Staples Center, Westbrook averaged 12.5 points (as opposed to the 16.1 overall) and did it with more shots than normal. He shot a putrid 34% in LA and has yet to make a single three point attempt. Even his free throw percentage is worse (70% in LA, 78% overall, and 79% on the road as a whole). Probably because he’s pressing so hard, his turnovers are up by one per game in LA.

Harden actually scores more when he plays in the Staples Center. He averaged 9.9 points per game, 10.6 on the road, but that rose to 12.5 in Los Angeles. Of course, he does that by taking far more shots than ordinary…in fact, about four more shots (two of those from behind the arc). And the percentages are far worse. He makes about 40% from the field normally, but only 33% in LA.

My hypothesis is that both players are wanting to perform well during their homecomings and try harder. As a result, they play more wrecklessly and less organically. If it comes to game 7, these guys need to stop following the advice coaches always give to calm nerves “Pretend you’re out on your driveway” due to the incredible fantasies of playing in that building which the two of them probably associate with that.

PLAYING WITH FIRE

Awful start. Just a truly awful start. Before Kevin Durant finally put home a seventeen foot jumper, the Thunder had missed their first thirteen shots. They also had a handful of turnovers during that stretch.

Of course, this wasn’t the first time Oklahoma City has dug a hole in this series. They allowed the Lakers to make their first nine shots in Game 3 before wrestling momentum away and finally winning. It isn’t even the first time, they dug a hole that eventually buried them (see games one and two). The only difference was that this time, the Thunder couldn’t even start to turn things around. While I wouldn’t go as far as saying that they gave up, there wasn’t much fight.

If this series makes it back to L.A., it will be essential that they keep the game close early, like game 4, or they are going to get burned again.

LAKER ADJUSTMENTS

Scott Brooks made a major splash from the coaches box when he assigned Kevin Durant to hound Kobe in the fourth quarter of game 3. It was an outside-the-box decision that put OKC in the series.

Super genius Phil Jackson finally stopped harrassing the referees long enough to realize that Russell Westbrook was absolutely abusing Derek Fisher in games 1.75 thru 4. He finally changed the defensive match up by placing Kobe (who had been standing around bored while “guarding” Thabo) on Russ. Of course, if you believe the game announcers, it was Kobe’s idea to make the change.

It worked even better than even the most casual NBA follower would have imagined.

That’s mainly because the Thunder didn’t make an adjustment to the adjustment. The reason Phil didn’t alter the defensive assignments from the beginning is that he did not want his best scorer sapping away at his energy, and risking foul trouble, on the defensive end. Had Westbrook forced Kobe to expend energy, the matchup would have been shortlived. Instead, he stared at the 24 on the jersey in front of him and forfeited being a factor in the game.

In game six, you can rest assured that Russell will find himself guarded by the self nicknamed “Black Mamba.” And in game six, he needs to go right at the Laker superstar. The risk is that Westbrook will be the one who lands in foul trouble, but the reward will be regaining the advantage.

TWO DAYS REST

This seemed to be overlooked. By game 4, with the long in the tooth Lakers looking bewildered on the bench, numerous mentions were made of how tired the Lakers were. Well, there was only one day of rest between each of the first four games. On Tuesday, both teams had an extra day to get spa treatments. That helps a veteran crew much more than a team of players in the primes of their lives.

Unfortunatley, game 6 also has a “long” rest.

OVERCONFIDENCE

I can’t speak for the team, but some of us were a little bit too confident with the Thunder’s chances of taking game 5.

Let’s, just for a second, assume this extended to the players. I would imagine that they probably have come back down to earth. So, hopefully, the remainder of the series will feature the Thunder giving a healthy amount of respect for what the Lakers are capable of doing, and that respect will lead to them producing plays that stop it from happening.

KOBE SANDBAGGING

After the game 4 shellacking, Tim Keown of ESPN wrote of Kobe:

(H)e’s the rare great player who feels the need to prove his greatness by not being great. It’s selflessness as selfishness, a feat very few at his level are able — or willing — to pull off.

Phil Jackson plays a lot of head games with his stars, and with Shaq and Jordan they typically worked. With his current star, it is more of a mixed bag. Kobe always rebels like a sullen teenager at the first issuance of constructive criticism, and lately Phil has been critiquing Bryant’s shot selection.

Unlike, in the past, Kobe’s rebellion occured at an opportune time for L.A. In 2006, Kobe quit in game seven of their first round playoff match up against Phoenix. In 2008, he quit in the clinching game of the Finals against Boston. When he gets pissed off, he decides to quit shooting and make his teammates prove they can win without him. However, like in game 4 of this Thunder series, he doesn’t try to defer in a manner that actually helps those teammates shine.

By game 5, he took Jackson’s mind games and applied the lessons as they were intended. On Tuesday night, he was the most effective I’ve ever seen him, and he won them the game taking only 14 shots.

On the bright side, Bryant usually doesn’t embrace being a facillitator. He wants to win on his terms.

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I'm not reading all that, but Shaq had the best playoffs of the last 20 years, possibly ever, in 2000. He won a title with Miami after Los Angeles didn't want him. Kobe couldn't win one without Shaq until they got him another front court player.

Fact of the matter is, Kobe's production DROPS in the playoffs. His scoring efficiency is lower. Shaq's productivity from 1996 to 2002 in the playoffs, average, dwarfs any ONE SEASON from Kobe Bryant.

This is a demented argument that only a Kobe apologist would make. Shaq and Tim Duncan are the two best playoff performers of the last decade and a half and it's not disputable. Kobe can only dream of being in their league.

Not to mention Justin. Shaq was a great playoff performer from 2000-2004. Before that he wasn't able to lead his team anywhere except one finals appearance in Orlando. For the last half of the decade he's been overweight, injured, or a 20 ppg scorer whenever he's gotten to the finals. With the Suns he didn't have a great playoff performance. With the Heat, that was D-Wade's team, the disparity between the two was much bigger than the disparity between Kobe-Shaq. So Kobe's been a dominant playoff performer for the ENTIRE DECADE, Shaq has been a DOMINANT playoff performer for HALF THE DECADE.

Again, Shaq's only been great for half the decade, before he got a refined Kobe he wasn't able to win anything or achieve anything in 8 years of play even though he was always surrounded by other all stars in penny, eddie jones, nick, etc. and he hasn't been able to accomplish anything as a dominant player after he left Kobe if it wasn't for the 42 PPG masterpiece by D Wade in the Finals which is probably the single greatest finals performance in the last 20 years.

You look at Finals MVP's and think Shaq was much better than Kobe. The reality is, as I've proven, Kobe's done a lot more without Shaq than Shaq has done without a refined Kobe.

You wonder why we love Kobe in LA so much, because every time Dr. Buss has surrounded him with the talent to win he's gotten to the Finals. It's the same reason they've given him a 84 million dollar 3 year extension.

This is something that no one talks about, how effective he is in winning when he's surrounded by good teammates. Again, shaq had great teammates in 1996-1999 and even in Orlando and he wasn't able to get to the Finals except for 1 season during the first chunk of his career!

So yes Justin, while Shaq was a beast he's not nearly as effective as Kobe when he's surrounded by great teammates

In fact, what mekes the Kobe-Shaq Lakers so good was that they only had 2 great players on that team. Every one else was a role-player or an aged veteran reduced to a role player (Like Payton, Malone, Harper, etc.)

Time Duncan has always played with 2 other greats in David Robinson, Manu Ginobli, or Tony Parker, always having at least 2 of those players together.

People blame Kobe for asking to be traded in 2007 unless the team improved. what happened? We made ONE TRADE and we got to the finals. Everyone else was DEVELOPED within the team. Bynum, Vujacic, Walton, etc. If Kobe gets to the finals this season as an injured player that will be 7 of 8 seasons where the Lakers surrounded him with enough talent to get there and he got there. That's an amazing statistic. That's dominance.

People call Tim Duncan the greatest PF of all time, he's 1-5 against Kobe in the post-season. Think of Patrick Ewing and Reggie Miller never able to beat Jordan? That's what Tim Duncan is to Kobe. the only time he's able to win championships is when the Lakers were rebuilding in 2005 and 2007, Kobe wasn't yet developed in 1999 and 2003 when the Lakers had just won 3 straight championships in a row and after playing till June for 3 straight seasons, were a bit tired and worn out. And even then, they made it to the Conference Finals.

@justin

Dude, were you WATCHING the Laker's from 1996-2004? Because I was. Every game.

Let me throw something out there for you. Something that you won't understand until you realize that Kobe was All NBA First Team Defense throughout the championship runs and that he led the team in assists and steals while only trailing Shaq by a few PPG.

Shaq was in his prime (or close to it) in 1996-1999 when he was playing alongside Eddie Jones and Nick Van Exel, two supremely gifted guards who were both All-Stars. Kobe was 18-19-20 years old and still developing because Del Harris refused to play him long minutes. Shaq was playing with two starting all stars and was unable to get PAST the SECOND ROUND of the playoffs until Kobe became a starter and those two other all stars were traded. When Kobe became a starter and became a dominant force in the league, that's when Shaq was finally able to get to the Finals.

People think that The Lakers in 1996 were less talented than the Lakers in 2000. That's not true. The 1996 Lakers had more talent than the 2000 Lakers! Kobe was so good by 2000-2001 that he replaced 2 All Star players in the starting lineup and we did better with him in there.

Let me give you an interesting stat to chew. During the past decade the Lakers have won 50+ games 7 times. 5 times with Shaq, and 2 times without Shaq. During 6 of those 7 seasons the Lakers have made it to the finals. That means, WHENEVER Kobe had a good enough team around him that could compete for a finals appearance, HE GOT THERE PRACTICALLY EVERY TIME (2003 being the only season the Lakers won 50+ games and didn't get to the finals)

By contrast. the Mavs have won 50+ games 10 seasons in a row and only have 1 appearance and the Spurs won 50+ games 10 straight seasons and only have 3 appearances.

Again, Whenever Kobe was given a team talented enough to get to the finals, HE GOT THERE. The Lakers were winning 50+ games when Shaq had 2 all-stars and Kobe was a bench player, shaq couldn't lead his team past the second round for 3 straight seasons. He couldn't do anything in 2 of the 3 years in Miami and he couldn't do anything in 2 of the 3 years with Phoenix. Those teams were all good enough to win 50+

Shaq had big games in the playoffs because of his size. But again, Shaq was unable to get to the finals before Kobe became turned 22 and was given the reins to the franchise.

@Big Stew

It's called sarcasm. KD didn't quit on his team, neither did Kobe. Even though both people DID THE EXACT SAME THING in terms of not playing in the fourth. The problem is that people in OKC, and people outside of LA, generally people with pre-conceived notions about Kobe that have arisen through speculation, drama with Shaq, etc. make these judgments where they think they know him.

That's the problem. Laker fans don't yap on and on about KD being a bad or selfish player even though his shot attempts and FG% are practically identical to Kobe's for the series.

I just find it ridiculously absurd that people can claim they know what's going on in someone's head and assume that Kobe meant to go teach his team a lesson, or meant to go teach his coach a lesson, out on the floor. It's such a stupid statement with absolutely no validity or proof outside of rampant kobe-hater speculation (like Bill Simmons and Keown) and the FACTS don't support the story. Again, if Kobe was trying to teach his team a lesson for criticizing him for taking so many shots in this series by refusing to shoot in game 4 as Bill Simmons, Tim Keown, or the author of this blog post have said, than in game 5 he would have come out firing.

Us Laker fans don't criticize the mentality of Kevin Durant even though, as i said, he's taken as many shots as kobe and missed as many shots as Kobe in this series. We don't call him a ball hog who doesn't look for teammates even though he gets less assists per game than Kobe does or than Kobe DID at the age of 21. These are accusations thrown at Kobe from un-intelligent fans around the league who have a pre-eminent bias towards him for some odd reason

@Vahagn

It seemed weird to me that they were able to ice Kobe's knee on the bench in game 5 but that it was absolutely necessary for him to leave early in game 4 to go get that done. It's all about him all the time...

Remember that Kobe didn't play in the 4th quarter either in game 4 so don't rip on KD for not playing the 4th in game 5.

Ok... enough with all the "quitter" talk. Neither Kobe nor KD quit on their teams. Kobe has, however, taken it upon himself to teach his teammates a lesson. This is NOT the same as quitting. In game 3 Kobe was criticized for being too aggressive and shooting the Lakers out of the game. Guys like Pau have routinely criticized Kobe this season for doing too much and not playing within the team. Kobe made it a point in game 4 to show that the issues isn't that Kobe needs to play at the level of his teammates, but that they need to play with the aggression that he plays with and match his intensity. Clearly they learned a lesson and in game 5 they did that.

The fact that Kobe stopped shooting in 2 other games where his team trailed by 30 is not exactly evidence that he quits on his team. The team quit and he was helpless to stop the slaughter.

@Vahagn

And I thought I was long winded..

Where were you after Game 4? I think your mysterious absence after the blowout and your insistence that Kobe is a better playoff performer than Shaq (I think it was you, anywaY) blow your credibility.

@Vahagn

lulz

It's easy to call Kobe immature because he looks frustrated during blowout losses. But any competitor does and SHOULD look frustrated during blowout losses. Kobe understands the game better than anyone since Michael
Jordan and he knows what his team is capable of. A thrashing is a thrashing and there's not much you can do when your TEAM isn't playing defense. Again if you guys were right about game 4 being a jab at Phil jacksons criticisms of kobe's shot attempts wouldn't it follow logically that Kobe would come out in game 5, shoot 30 shots, and win the game to provide a stark contrast to game 4?

Once again, KD quit on his team Tuesday and he thinks his coach's constant diatribes about toughness and rebounding are annoying as
he is the single WORST offensive coach in the league. The thunder convert under 35% of their field goals during half court sets against the lakers in this series and that's due in large part to the thunder having crappy offensive game plans.

Tim Keown is an idiot he only writes Kobe articles to bash him. Go search all Tim Keown articles you'll see a Bill Simmons like hatred for Kobe. Kobe never quits on his team, to think he is "purposefully" trying to make his teamates look bad is absurd. and it's downright ridiculous that people even pretend they know what's going on in his psyche. The man played an identical offensive game in games 4 and 5. 9 or 10 shots each game and only 3 quarters of play. The Lakers actually made more field goals than the Thunder in game 4 and lost because of the disparity in transition buckets and free throws. That's a defensive loss not an offensive one. did KD quit on his team on Tuesday? It sure as heck looked like it to me. Didn't play the 4th quarter, scored under his season average and got almost no assists. I can assume KD got annoyed at Scott Brooks offensive ineptitude and that would be a good assumption as it seems KD is completely ignoring his coach's 5th grade motivational speaches during the tv cuts to the thunder bench.

All 3 games you mentioned as evidence of Kobe quitting were all massive blowouts that were lost on the defensive end (all 3 opponents scored over 110 pts a game). Kobe shooting more wouldn't have done anything. again, Kobe played an identical offensive game in game 4 and game 5, if anything, It shows his faith in his team that he can come out after a blowout loss where he was a faciltitor and continue to be one for such a crucial game. And It also shows your, and every other Kobe hater's stupidity to attempt to diagnose the inner workings of kobe's mind with a 3 game sample size and a REALLY bad argument. Kobe's not a bad guy and he's far more humble than Westbrook or half your team is (check Westbrook's comments on kobe's defensive ability after game 5) it's a 2nd year guard who got shut down by a 10 time all defensive selection player and he thinks kobe's not that good?

The thunder are a bunch of arrogant pricks like their fans. And by the way, don't call laker fans bandwagon fans. Lakers merchandise is the top seller in 7 out of the last 8 seasons and only 4 of those seven seasons were we championship contenders (including this one) it's the OKC croud that couldn't be bothered to cheer for their team until this season or the Boston fans that didn't exist before 2008 or the Cleveland fans that didn't even watch basketball before 2003 that are bandwagoners

@Floppy Punch!

That's awful...and awfully hilarious all at the same time.

Little tardy bolts. Sounds like a special olympics relay team.

Hey the Bolts will be a little tardy. So don't freak out. I'm still alive.

Starting 5 should be Russ, Green at 2, Kd at 3, Ibaka/Collison 4 and Kristic. This forces them to keep Kobe on Green or we will have a size advantage there, where we abuse Fish.

Dudes! The Thunder Need to block out! They had not been doing that in Game 5. When the Lakers transitioned, Kobe was always in the top of the Key and Durant tried guarding him (notice thats one of our tall lengthy guys out of the picture) so Kobe passes it to Gasol who is either the left or right side or the basket. And if Gasol was double teamed (which he usually was) Our center at the time would be the one to come help and that would allow Gasol to pass to Bynum who's running through the middle with no one blocking out. If The Thunder could just block out, they can win. Yeah they're undersized, but that does not mean they aren't strong enough to move Bynum or Big Bird out of the way. Game 5 really upset me.

@SunTzu 76

Nobody expected the win total but a few were saying we could get the 8th seed.

@The DON
Ugh, that was exactly like reading the media articles after Game 4...the Lakers are finished, its over, go home, and then the same garbage after Games 5, the Thunder are finished, its over, go home. I guess we should just pack up and go home and not even play the game. We have no chance, the series is over. Oh wait...its 3-2 and we have beaten the Lakers twice on our court. The starting lineup may not change, but Brooks was a good enough coach to get us two wins after being down 2-0, let's just see what he does here. And regardless of what happens, by any account at all, this has been a successful season. No one anywhere expected this season's success.

@Bryan

Yep! That is the way to go. I've seen lineups like this mentioned serval times over the past day.

I'd also throw in Mullens to hack and keep the ball out of the paint.

@The DON

Just take a deep breath and be thankful we have Scott Brooks and not Rick Carlisle.

@Sammy

I think it came from Brooks in an interview, he's got a lot more direct quotes up there..

@Keith

If we wanna keep clinging onto the sentimentality of what a great season we just had even though what we have on our plate right now is a laker team in a 7 game playoff series then fine, but that's not how you advance in the post-season. Fact is, all those terrific and heart-warming victories in the regular season against the grizzlies and clippers and bucks don't mean jack right now.

And as far as the Kobe on Russ factor, I agree. We definitely need to plug Harden in and force fisher to defend because now with Kobe guarding Russ and doing a great job, Fisher can just completely rest on defense because he's matched up with thabo.

So lets do the math right now:

1) Bynum dominates Kristic
2) Gasol dominates Green
3) Fisher is now a net positive for LA since he's switched onto Thabo and no longer has to worry about defense
4) Kobe will contain Russ while still getting his on offense
5) Artest contains KD

^^^We have seemingly ZERO advantages in our favor on the court with this lineup. We CANNOT win this way, and we will no win this way.

We probably wouldn't win against LA no matter what, but we'd definitely have a far better chance if Brooks would pull his head out of his ass

FWIW, ESPN's Game 6 announcing team is once again Mike Breen, Mark Jackson, and Jeff Van Gundy, with Doris Burke as the sideline reporter. Which is likely the same team that will call Game 7 (yeah, I said it).

@justin
I think Darnell has about as much inside access and insight to this front office as I do...

@The DON
Failure is in the eye of the beholder. This lineup won us 50 games and has gotten us to where we are today. Further, there simply isn't a duo on our roster that we could legitimately put in and shut down Gasol and Bynum. It's much easier to shake things up when you actually have the personnel to shake-up. Though if we don't counter Kobe-on-Westbrook by inserting Harden (whom Fisher can't guard and whom actually needs to be guarded), then we are in big trouble.

Then again, I've already written, at length, about Brooks' complete unwillingness to change against better judgement and statistical evidence. We can still win as we are, but it requires more things to go in our favor than not. We might see something soon, or we might see nothing until next year. Regardless, it will come.

@Kristi

And that is insane. There is no logical explanation to justify not shaking things up, yet there Brooks is, NOT shaking things up and stubbornly sticking with a failure of a formula

@The DON
I agree with you on this, I wish it could be different but I bet Scottie doesn't want to shake things up

@Morgan
Actually it's going to be Tina Turner performing "We don't need another hero" (Thunderdome).

@Morgan
... I had that dream! (I swear I even commented on it somewhere on this board the day after I had it)

If it's true that is so badass.

Greg :Wonder what a backcourt combo of westbrook and beaubois would be like this round? I think I know

It would be a very small backcourt.

Wonder what a backcourt combo of westbrook and beaubois would be like this round? I think I know

Is it true that AC/DC is playing at the Ford Center Tomorrow, That is BRILLIANT if true, talk about pumping us up!!!!!!!!!!!

RT @ClarkT @DarnellMayberry What do you think the Thunder will do at the center pos this free agency post season? (Wait & start Ibaka)
about 2 hours ago via web

Aaaaaah...!

@justin
Don't get me wrong, I'm still pumped. If we were a 35 win team, outside the playoffs looking in, would we have learned as much about this team as we have now? I'm guessing not. I'm just really hoping that Presti is more interested in fixing holes than being happy with development.

@Keith

It's alright, we're ahead of schedule.. :)

@justin
Story of the season, pretty much.

@Jax Raging Bile Duct

Agreed.. but our problem this series in general has been offense not defense. Aside from the blowout, they are shooting a fairly low percentage.

We can put five Serge Ibakas on the court if we don't score points we're not winning.. and I feel a lot better about James Harden right now scoring points and stretching the defense than Jeff Green.

Either scenario is better than the status quo, though. Disappointed that Brooks doesn't seem to be even thinking about lineup changes.

@justin

The only problem I have with that lineup is that it can't keep up with a Bynum/Gasol pair. I think the only way we matchup with a Bynum/Gasol pair is to have 3 bigs in the game. Let them cheat of Ron Artest, give him the Thabo treatment.

If we're going to play post defense, I think the only option is for Jeff to score. He hasn't done so efficiently yet in this series, but that's the only way I see us hanging with their post game.

Going 'big' with Green or Durant at SG puts a lot of pressure on Green to score. He hasn't shown he's able to do that... I think we really need Harden in the game to score points, or at least keep the defense honest.

Nobody's mentioned this either, but Nick is shooting 31% from the field in this series.

I think our best lineup is Collison / Ibaka / Durant / Harden / Westbrook both against the Lakers and in general.

The other thing I had thought about, is to go small and bring in Maynor, Russ, Harden, KD and Green to really space the floor and open up the offense. It might also lead to more Laker turnovers with some quick hands... and thus more transition points.

The downside is that they would have to really get after the passing lanes and deny Gasol and Byn the ball on the other end. Defensive rebounding could also be an issue.

@Bryan

That's my line of thinking. As of right now, if I were the Lakers, I'd let Jeff Green shoot over Fisher 10 times out of 10. Jeff needs to show up and make that a mismatch that we use to our advantage. Bring Thabo off the bench when the Lakers go to theirs. If Jeff can't do it, then you have to go with James, and suffer on post defense.

@Jax Raging Bile Duct
I agree... the thing people tend to forget about Green is that he is a great help defender and probably the best at getting back to his man to close out on a perimeter shot.

If I were Brooks, I would start the normal 5, making adjustments that account for 1) Kobe on Russ (ie, have Russ push him hard) and 2) the Lakers' change up on transition D (see #1).

Then I sub early, bringing in Ibaka and Nick for Thabo and Kirstic. This gives you NC, SI, JG, KD and RW. The dilemma for the Lakers, is that if they decide to keep Kobe on Russ and Artest on KD, then Green is isolated on Fisher and can post up or just shoot right over the top of him. If they change up their defensive assignments, then Fisher is back on Russ - game on! This will also give them some rebounding and Green's solid rotations and help D.

This also leaves OKC's defensive assignments largely intact with Russ/Fisher, KD/Kobe, Green/Artest, Ibaka/Llama (just sayin) and Nick/Bynum.

The other way to counter Kobe being on Russ (if Russ can't seem to get it together), is to bring in Harden early. It's the same basic principal but with a less dramatic mismatch and slightly less effective D.

@dork

Krstic has the bulk to front the entry pass to Bynum. We don't have any single player who can play with Bynum one on one. So you're automatically talking about a double team. Krstic fronting Bynum and Ibaka fronting Pau would leave our best big help defender in Collison to be there to double. Serge isn't sharp enough to play that kind of help defense yet, and Green isn't physical enough. Serge and Nick offer enough post rebounding as a pair to have success in the running game.

It's not ideal. That's why I keep saying that I think Jeff is the key to our roster matching up. If Jeff would just be a perimeter threat then we could really change the look of our offense and force the Lakers to play Fisher on a scorer.

dork :@justin
and you would be wrong for it.

We'll see. I like both Harden and Ibaka to develop into quality starters but I think Harden has much more of a chance to be all star caliber at his position. Just my opinion.

@justin

and you would be wrong for it.

I would protect James Harden before Serge Ibaka..

@Jax Raging Bile Duct

actually moving I like W.C.'s lineup.. they could run.. have enough lenght to make the entry passes very difficult.. and have enough speed to run..

and if defending the post is what your big lineup was all about why did it have krstic? sure he's okay on ball but once a shot goes up its a free rebound for who ever he is guarding.

@W.C.

It's just not big enough to defend the post AND get rebounds. The whole premise of the big lineup is to run off the defensive rebound. And if you can't run, it'd be KD and Russ going 1 on 5. So that's why I think JG is the key to the roster matchups.

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