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Wednesday Bolts – 3.17.10

Marc Spears of Yahoo! Sports talked to Brandon Roy about playing with KD: “Can me and Kevin Durant even coexist?” Roy said. “We’re similar. We’re both creators. We are both perimeter players. I don’t know if there is enough room for both of us. But that doesn’t say Kevin Durant isn’t a great player. He’s right there for the MVP, so not a knock to him at all. I think he is a great guy off the court. He’s cool. He’s humble. But as far as me having the career I wanted to and him having the career he wanted to, it was the right decision for him to be with Oklahoma City and for us to take Greg Oden.”

Comparing Portland’s rise to OKC’s: “Portland sat back and they got bit, and because of it they are another major piece away from being elite. OKC needs players to fit a role, and they need veteran leadership. Kevin Durant has a chance to be the greatest player of the 2010’s, Russell Westbrook has officially put his name in the hat for the throne of this decade’s best point guard, and Jeff Green leads the role players on a mission to not let KD down.”

Dime looking at Sophs vs. Rookies: “Over the weekend the DimeMag.com reader poll asked, “Who is the Sophomore of the Year?” Westbrook got an overwhelming 44% of the vote, with D-Rose behind him with 25%. Lopez and Marc Gasol (drafted in ‘07) also got more than 10% of the vote, while Beasley, Mayo and Love brought up the rear. You could make a solid case for Rose or Lopez having been better than Westbrook this year, but Westbrook’s OKC Thunder are in position to make the playoffs, unlike his aforementioned sophomore counterparts.”

Scott Brooks on top for COY and KD second for MVP: “If the 21-year-old, who is hearing MVP chants at home games, can leapfrog LBJ to finish first in the scoring race, he’ll become the youngest NBA scoring champ.”

With Memphis’ win last night, OKC’s Magic Number is still at 10 over them and 11 over Houston.

The charge master, Nick Collison, wants you to decide whether this is a block or a charge. I think she was in the restricted area myself.

Some big news yesterday as Kevin Pritchard fired his right-hand-man, Tom Penn yesterday. Dave from Blazer’s Edge: “It’s never pleasant for an organization to lose one of its key executives in this manner but unless things are completely sideways in the front office business will continue as usual. Despite the tension of the day both sides will say they’re better off in the long run. Penn will interview. The team will have somebody new working the calculator and the rulebook soon. For now Portland’s proper public focus is on the dozen remaining games and excelling in the playoffs. Anything beyond that, namely everything Penn would have been involved in, is secondary.”

David Aldridge of NBA.com says this: “Thunder a half-game out of home-court in the West after winning 17 of its last 20. Does anyone else think Russell Westbrook should get some all-NBA consideration? Just consideration.” But then he has KD fifth in the MVP race. Odd.

Mike Baldwin on Eric Maynor: ”Maynor has filled a major void. After going through candidates like Earl Watson, Shaun Livingston, Chucky Atkins and Kevin Ollie, the Thunder has found Russell Westbrook’s backup. His value goes beyond 3.7 points and 2.7 assists a game. A backup point guard’s primary role is to sustain the lead and not make mistakes, which is why Maynor’s 2.74 assists-to-turnover ratio is invaluable. The most revealing stat is the Thunder was 13-14 before Maynor arrived, 28-10 since he’s been in the rotation. And he fits right in with a workaholic young team on the rise.”

Ridiculous Upside on Mustafa Shakur: “Mustafa Shakur is an NBA player: he has NBA size (6’3″ without shoes), NBA explosiveness, excellent scoring ability, a floor general’s attitude and is even showing that he can play NBA-type defense on a consistent basis this season. Unfortunately, he doesn’t have an NBA team … yet.”

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@f5alcon

Thanks, I was wondering about that.

If, God forbid, Westbrook were to tear up his knee Shaun Livingston-style tonight I'd be fully confident that Maynor could run this team and help it achieve its potential over the next couple of years. He's smart, crafty, changes pace well and he's done very well when forced to play big minutes.

I'm not sure I'd be as confident with Beaubois or Teague.

Another thing that wasn't mentioned about the trade for Maynor was that it filled a need. Livingston, Ollie and Weaver were all injured, and we needed someone besides Mike Wilks backing up Russ.

And that's not a knock on Beaubois. I mean, I like him as much as the next guy (pause).

f5alcon :

Big Stew :the best part about the dunk that Collison posted is that the guy received a 3.8 score for the dunk that he missed and ran over a lady. How does one receive a zero in this competition? Break your leg on the way to the rim and also shoot some young children?

greg odens halfway there.

good stuff...

@Sammy
i agree it would have been used on something then maynor/harpring, but it wasnt enough space to get biedrins, no guarantee haywood would have re-signed at the end of the year. we basically got maynor for a 2 month cap space rental, thats about as close to free as possible, not sure we could have done much better with that cap space without giving up something more substantial. who knows what mullens ends up being, could not improve anymore, could end up having his dleague numbers in the nba.

Plus if maynor doesnt work out, or even if he does he can be traded for something more valuable.

@f5alcon
It's kind of assumed on my end that if we had drafted Beaubois the cap space would have been used on an asset other than Maynor.

Maynor is a better ballhandler and passer, but the difference in overall value is huge to me. That's like saying I'd rather have Mullens because he's a better rebounder. Beaubois is averaging 18.5pts/36m on .592 TS% which is, more or less, what Jamal Crawford is currently doing for the Hawks at similar usage rates. Beaubois has a poor A/T ratio, but that's more a function of his role as the off guard. His TO% is only 15.9% which isn't great but it's not bad. It's less than Maynor's.

It's not like OKC's second unit is running like a well-oiled machine with Maynor at the helm. Having someone to take the scoring burden off of Harden's shoulders would be a good thing, imo.

@Sammy
We could have just drafted blair and done better then either beaubois or maynor.

Big Stew :
the best part about the dunk that Collison posted is that the guy received a 3.8 score for the dunk that he missed and ran over a lady. How does one receive a zero in this competition? Break your leg on the way to the rim and also shoot some young children?

greg odens halfway there.

@Jax Raging Bile Duct

Of course I'd feel different if Harpring's $$$ were used. And besides, nobody knows what could have happened at the trade deadline if we had that cap space. Presti used it really early to acquire Maynor. This was a pretty busy deadline.. I would have liked to see what we could have gotten.

It's all water under the bridge and Maynor isn't a horrible player. Hopefully he improves.

@Sammy

beaubois wouldnt have played for us, ollie would still be in the rotation, brooks wants a stable ballhandler as the backup PG. Directly yeah it was mullens or beaubois, but i doubt we trade for maynor if we kept beaubois, maybe we grab a center in a trade instead, but considering we got maynor for free i doubt we would have gotten a better trade. Mullens+maynor+ 1 million dollars spent on harpring is a better deal then beaubois+ cap space, unless we decided to get david lee last year instead to fill up the center.

maynor is a better ballhandler and passer then beaubois. Beaubois is a better shooter, but more shots for him means less for harden, and its not like beaubois has scored that many points, maynor has more total points then him. Maynor was fine scoring in the 2 games he started for utah scoring 13 and 24 points(18.5PPG). better then beaubois in his 15 starts(8.5PPG). In the last 5 games where his usage has gone up and he has scored in double figures he is also shooting at least 11 times a game. I dont see where those shot attempts come from on the thunder, probably away from harden. I just dont see him complimenting harden at all, just taking shots away from harden and getting the ball stolen from him.

in dallas the top 5 lineups he is used in have him paired with kidd, so he is basically playing SG.

justin :
... but I would have wanted more for what we gave up (cap space).

At least the cap space we gave up was the best possible scenario for us. Not only did the cap space cost us zero physical dollars, but the space was taken by a very trade-able asset (Harping's insurance-paid expiring).
I don't know what Sam tried to do with it, but I wouldn't be surprised if he had something in mind and just couldn't pull it off.

Had he done something with it at the deadline, would you feel differently about that trade? Because we gave up next to nothing to get Maynor.

@Sammy

That's completely legit. And if he's still Earl Watson after next season, I think it will be time to look into other options. Before we got Maynor, I was hoping to draft a guy like Sherron Collins in the 2nd round. But I'm willing to wait another year. After all, we're talking about a back up point guard who is meant to facilitate rather than score.

My expectation is that Maynor will see his assist numbers go way up after an offensive system is in place, and they start running set plays for Harden. Also, one of these days I expect Krstic to come off the bench as well, which gives Maynor a nice PnP option.

It's a waiting game. But there is no arguing with your Beaubois point.

I'm really unimpressed with Maynor, especially his shooting and scoring ability. Really, how much different is he than Kevin Ollie? Most of the offense run with Manyor in is hand off at the top and spot up like we did with Ollie.. sometimes he'll run a nice PnR with Collison or make a neat little play but it's not frequent.

He has young legs to stay in and play defense unlike Ollie but overall I don't see anything about Maynor this season that says anything more than 'average backup'. Which is OK.. but I would have wanted more for what we gave up (cap space).

the best part about the dunk that Collison posted is that the guy received a 3.8 score for the dunk that he missed and ran over a lady. How does one receive a zero in this competition? Break your leg on the way to the rim and also shoot some young children?

@Jax Raging Bile Duct
I absolutely think Maynor can improve. I just think it's premature to pencil him in as some stud backup/starter material when he's basically been Earl Watson.

@f5alcon
The decision wasn't between Beaubois and Maynor, though. It would have been between between Mullens + cap space and Beaubois + cap space.

In any case, there's no way I would take Maynor over Beaubois at this point. He'd be fantastic in that second unit.

Wait, I thought Roy couldn't play with Oden because Oden didn't space the floor for him. Now he can't play with Durant? Can he play with anyone?

I just want to see what an off-season training camp that focuses on offense will do for Manor's and Harden's game. Maynor is at his best when he can run a system. He's not bad at freelancing, but his toolset is not ideal for it.

Even though Maynor played 4 years in college, he can still improve. We're probably not going to see a scorer or a shooter out of him, but we'll see him improve in other areas. The game will slow down for him, the 82+ game schedule will be familiar, an offensive gameplan and system will be in place, his confidence will grow. He'll improve in those respects.

@Sammy
right now a score first PG doesnt look so bad, but during the draft or even when we got maynor, westbrook had a pretty bad assist/TO ratio(1.58 last year), a pass first PG was a better choice. maynor has a 2.73 A/TO beaubois is 1.31, which is horrible.

He works in dallas because they have kidd and barea who are good passing PGs, and terry has over 200 assists and a 2.5 A/to ratio also.

he fits their system better then ours, he may be the better player, but not the better choice, same as with choosing harden over evans, evans if obviously having a better rookie year but would he work here better then harden?

heh, I missed this from a few days ago:

The Thunder boys use social media with the best of ‘em – Twit-a-what?!

cute!

@MartzMImic
Maynor may be a gym rat, but he was also had 4 years in college which makes me skeptical of just how much better he can be.

Take a look at the numbers:
Player A: 40% FG / 29% 3pFG / 30.1 AST% / 18 TOV% / 17.9 USG% / 10.9 PER
Player B: 42% FG / 33% 3pFG / 31.0 AST% / 20 TOV% / 17.9 USG% / 12.8 PER

pre-game from 'Rufus on Fire':

Charlotte Bobcats vs. Oklahoma City Thunder

really complimentary of OKC!

money quote:

"The Big Picture: Kevin Durant and the Oklahoma City Thunder remind me that the Bobcats' biggest moment since being born is yet to come. When the Cats draft a transformative player, everything will change. I'm not talking about a Shawn Marion type, or a Gerald Wallace type, or even a Joe Johnson type. I mean 'Melo. Durantula. CP3. Dirk.

OKC has that one guy, and they're surrounding him with other young players that could, in theory, stick with him for the next few years. It's the perfect storm of talent sitting in the crock pot together and forming one gooey, delicious, concoction."

:)

@Sammy
Maynor is so different from Earl Watson that it's not even funny. First off, Watson was making several million more than Maynor. Most importantly, Maynor isn't jacking up bad 3-pointers early in the shot clock. Earl lost several games for us.

I agree with Jax that Maynor will likely show a lot of improvement after an offseason and training camp. It sounds like he's as much of a gym rat as our other players. Yes, we all wish he would/could score more right now, but with a 2.74 assist-to-turnover ratio, that's not bad for a rookie.

@f5alcon
Depends what you mean by better. As a pure point guard, sure. As a scorer it's not even close. I'd much rather have Beaubois' scoring ability next to Harden over Maynor's floor generalship. I also think Beaubois has a much higher ceiling (I fear Maynor may already be near his), plus there's your point that we would have been able to use our cap space somewhere else.

ok, the Bobcats just lost last night to the Pacers, who are terrible this year.

now, some will say, yeah, this is because the Bobcats are bad on the road. But Gerald Wallace didn't play. So more likely, it is an indication of how they play without G-Force.

He's questionable tonight, with a sore ankle. My guess is he doesn't play -- because Charlotte knows how important he is to the team and decide to play it safe. In this case, Bobcats are in deep doo-doo tonight.

However, he might still play. But then he likely wouldn't be in top form. And in danger of re-injuring it during play. In this case, Bobcats are in deep doo-doo tonight.

So... my prediction is that Charlotte is in deep doo-doo tonight.

;)

Sammy :
You know who’d be awesome as a backup PG on this team? Rodrique Beaubois. Just saying…

maynor is better then beaubois, and we wouldnt have traded for maynor if we kept beaubois

since we're hunting bobcats tonight, gotta put up this pic:

Tyson Chandler tips in a shot over Howard

not so much for Tyson, but because the look on the face of the Magic player behind him is golden!

You know who'd be awesome as a backup PG on this team? Rodrique Beaubois. Just saying...

Minn 114
Suns 152

holy @$#%&!

is the T-wolves defense really that rotten, or are they deliberately tanking?

if you're a Minni fan, which of those two options is worse?

@Rhett
maynor wants to start, but under the current CBA, we have him at least through the 2013/14 season and even thats if he just accepts a qualifying offer and we dont match when he is a RFA. more then likely he is stuck here through 2016/17 and becomes an unrestricted FA assuming he signs a 3 year deal instead of a qualifying offer.

Maynor will need to show some serious improvement in his offensive efficiency if he's to stick as anything more than a dime-a-dozen backup pg. He's basically Earl Watson at this point.

MJ buys Bobcats.

we'll see how that goes. Jordan was a great player, but being a team owner is a TOTALLY different thing.

btw, seeing current pics of the guy startles me a bit. That's because I didn't pay much attention to the NBA after he left Chicago. Michael was always so slim and sinewy in his playing days. Now... all the heft he's accumulated -- he's starting to look like Shaq :o

compare all you want, there is no other team that has

our Bro'ingtons

In the 2nd half of the Jazz game the Thunder offense were on my end of the court and Westbrook looked amazing. His shots were falling, he was attacking the rim and it was clear he's just getting started. KD/RW is going to be top tandem in the league soon.

Maynor's going to be a great backup on Thunder. Future starter somewhere else?

@Sammy

Yeah i agree, even last years numbers for green were much closer to aldridge. green would be having a much better season if his 3 pt shooting didnt dip 6% and he wasnt taking 1 fewer FTA per game. If he made is 3 pts at the same rate as last year his PPG would be 15.3 this year.

@Sammy
but hopefully we don't overpay green this summer.. cuz if he gets something like 5/40 I would rather have him than aldridges monster contract any day...

@f5alcon
imo:
Green at 3 > Aldridge at 4
Aldridge at 4 > Green at 4

From David Thorpe at ESPN on Ibaka:

Serge Ibaka, Thunder | Rookie card
Ibaka is another guy on this list who showed his considerable upside in summer league. He's now a steady rotation player in Oklahoma City, providing a strong shot-blocking presence inside and good decision-making skills on offense. He hasn't blown up like some other rooks have, but he has continued to make progress from month to month.

When a player is nowhere near his potential but plays well in his role, he earns considerable value in the league. That is exactly where Ibaka stands right now. His face-up game is going to be good, and he projects to be an excellent shot-blocker. How many guys in the league can do both well?

if anyone wants to go on espn.com, they are giving ibaka some serious love... god this team is crazy

@Jax Raging Bile Duct
Totally agree with your comments on Maynor. He should get better over time, just like Westbrook. I love our point guards.

I've said before that I think Maynor's true colors will be evident next year. Not only is he a rookie, but he changed systems in the middle of the season. Sometimes veteran players can't make that transition well. Give Eric this season, and a training camp, and we'll see how he does next year.

I like what Ridiculous Upside had to say about Shakur. I'll be interested in seeing how his game translates to the NBA.

Lastly, I think Roy is backing his teammate, and he should. There's no reason to bring division when speaking on a hypothetical.

I remember another comparison between OKC and Memphis back when they were the two hot teams this year (funny how it was OKC and Sacramento, then OKC and Memphis, then OKC and the Bulls...you sensing a pattern hear?). Someone else pointed out that if you took the best 3 players from both teams, Durant and Westbrook would still be #1 and #2. Now comparing OKC and Portland, it would probably be Durant #1, Roy #2, Westbrook #3, but I still like where OKC is better than any other team in terms of the future.

and Nate Macmillan is a man who bring nightmare to his bigman.Do you remember Swift?Maybe Oden is the next.

@Heysloth
agreed.
KD is better than every player of Portland now,and He has more potential than the whole Portland.It is obvious.

@Kivman
even head to head Aldridge isnt that much better then green, a little better scorer and better rebounder.

I lol'd at the video collison posted. There's alot of sexual innuendo type jokes to be made about that video. I'll leave it at that.

Way way premature to close the book on Portland. Batum is looking like a world-beater, and even if Oden comes back at 80% effectiveness is still a valuable player. A healthy core of Roy, Aldridge, Oden and Batum with the role players they have is still a team that can do a lot of damage.

I'm not sure it's real productive to worry about what Portland fans on the internet are saying about the Thunder. ;)