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Oklahoma City puts Toronto away early, wins 119-99

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It’s no gold medal, but at least the United States beat Canada in something today.

It was a very business-like performance by the Thunder at home tonight, disposing of a Chris Bosh-less Toronto Raptor squad 119-99, to get back to 12 games over .500. Oklahoma City was efficient offensively (52 percent from the floor), played excellent defense against a great offensive team (43 percent, 99 points for a team averaging 107) and came out with great energy to start and sustained it through the game. If this recap is reminding you of the Minnesota one, it’s because the games were pretty similar. OKC led by as many as 26, never let it get close and just kind of ran away and hid in this one.

It was another game Russell Westbrook completely controlled (14 points, 10 assists, four steals), Kevin Durant scored well (29 points on 9-18 shooting)in and the Thunder got solid contributions from Serge Ibaka (13 points, 10 rebounds), Nenad Krstic (16 points) and Jeff Green (20 points, 3-3 from 3). Honestly, there’s just not a ton to say about this one other than Oklahoma City played well, Toronto really didn’t and the Thunder blew them out.

What’s clear, is that the Raptors are a really, really bad defensive team. They don’t communicate, they don’t rotate and in some circumstances, they don’t try. One possession that stood out to me came in the first half. Jeff Green had the ball on the right block with Andrea Bargnani checking him. Amir Johnson couldn’t decide whether to come double Green or to stay on Serge Ibaka, who was under the rim. Johnson basically split the difference, defending no one and Green dished to Ibaka for a flush. That kind of sums up the Raptors defensively. And it’s a large reason OKC dropped 119 points on them.

Notes:

  • The Raptors were going to have to get a big game from someone like Hedo Turkoglu if they were to hang tight. With Thabo checking him, Turkoglu had seven points on 3-8 shooting.
  • One thing about Thabo: When he’s aggressive with the ball and is an offensive threat, he’s one of the three most valuable players on this team. Seriously.
  • How about the alley oop from James Harden to Byron Mullens. That was darn impressive for a 7’2 big man to go up and flush one-handed.
  • This is the first game since the All-Star break Harden hasn’t worn the headband. He went for 12 points on 4-8 shooting tonight.
  • A new Durant nickname suggested in the Daily Dime chat tonight: Durant-eater. Doesn’t have the same ring as Durantula, does it? Or how about Durantelope? Or Durantichrist? Or Durantarctica? We had fun the chat tonight as you see. It’s what you do in a blowout.
  • Was anyone else confused about Rumble’s birthday? First off, is he one or is he 200? According to his story, he’s been around for like a long time. So if he’s one, wasn’t his unveiling like on Feb. 12 last year? So is this a belated celebration? I’m confused.
  • Nenad Krstic had an excellent offensive game tonight with Rasho Nesterovic guarding him. Krispy dropped 16 points on 7-9 shooting and hit a 3 before halftime.
  • Russell Westbrook has somehow acquired takeover ability. I think we knew he could get there, but in the past three months, he’s grabbed the ability to own games. Which is what he did tonight. He got to the rim any time he wanted, created shots for teammates and just ran the game. Russ has made me wonder what he ceiling may actually be eventually. It’s just getting higher and higher.
  • Toronto’s starters: 53 points. Toronto’s bench: 46.
  • OKC turned the ball over just 11 times. The most any single Thunder player had was two.
  • The Thunder’s main guys got to rest a little tonight. Westbrook played only 29 minutes. Durant 32. Green 34. And better, yet guys like Ibaka and Mullens saw extended minutes. These are good things about blowout wins.

After losing the two tough games last week, the response so far at home as been absolutely ideal. A blowout win over Minnesota and a blowout win over Toronto. OKC neutralized the two losses, got back to 12 games over and has a great chance to extend on another win streak. The team has shown a remarkable amount of focus and poise with the way they’ve responded. If there were any fears about a late seasons slide, I think these last two games have quelled that a bit. At least for me.

Next up: The Thunder marches on with another winnable home game Tuesday against the Kings.

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Fantastic website, where exactly did you find that knowledge in this specific posting? I'm pleased I found it although, ill be checking back again quickly to view what other content you may have.

It's Durantuala. Best current nickname in the league. It's clever and appropriate to his size and style. We shouldn't mess with it.

A lot of players had nicknames and just ended up being called by their initials. Garnett was the Big Ticket, nobody calls him that anymore, it's KG. Iverson was The Answer, people call him AI now. Michael 'Air' Jordan became MJ. If the initals roll off the tongue I think it's just more natual to do that. KD rolls off the tongue, it's easier to say than The Durantula (which does have some traction.. I hear it on Sportscenter a lot and in the general media).

Being strong in the 3rd quarter is a good start toward being able to put more teams away early and giving the main guys some extra rest. A more consistent first half would be a good next achievement.

MJ also was referred to as "His Airness".

But this is often really by / for national announcers and sponsors.

Maybe there will be occasion in the future for headlines like "Who's the Mamba?" or "There is a new King in town."

KD is simple but doesn't add anything and is awful close to KG. But Durant really isn't a nickname is important for style guy. Maybe a nickname emerges after some big playoff event... but it doesn't matter. Actually I have very little interest in all the hipster stuff. Just play well and win.

@justin
Agreed. Very few nicknames become known on a household level, and even the greatest player of all-time just went by "MJ."

Even great nicks like "Round Mound of Rebound" for Barkley aren't known by the general public. KD works fine for me.

Honestly, I think 'KD' is fine.

I am not big on nicknames but I doubt Durantula becomes widely-used, nationwide, long-term but then again few do. Not sure what it will be. He originally suggested K-Smoove and got shot down.

If I were to offer a few more possibilities for the heck of it and quick dismissal they might include: KDeasy, KiD lightning, Thunderstick, KDMasterpiece, KidNext (or KDNow), or just "35".

Maybe what the best teams with analysts have & do is better than the best public Adjusted +/- or the best uses of the available Adjusted +/- and Statistical +/- (for example, it would be possible to graph its movement or to make it a 2-3 month moving average to track "development") but that is speculation.

Morey and Co. have a very average team on offense and defense. A team who lost Yao for the season, but to date have never made a team offense with Yao above average.

justin questioned Rodriguez as 9th biggest impact in th eleague this season, and that may be off (or not) but at least 75% of the top 20 would pass the quick eye test and at least some of the surprises are probably surprisingly legit for their teams.

3 things...

My circle has named durant fiction. His game is so unreal ...

I personally call Russell "west weezy" (a play on snoop calling him west west. Reason being, lol waynes latest mixtape "no ceilings" ...

Finally, it is my opinion - & it may sound crazy based on the play of those two & the growth & strides they've been making - that thabo is the most important player on the squad. His defense sets the tone for everything else. & when he's not out there (the eye injury game), it's so evident.

I love the defensive intensity. This is going to be our biggest asset down the stretch and in the p......s.

I still like the Icicle for Durant. Cold blooded dude.

The Raptors have horrendous chemistry-what do you expect when their best player is about to bail? Damon Stoudamire, Vince, now Bosh....poor team, how can they compete in Canada?

Yes’sir :
Oh thank heaven for Kevin-Eleven!
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll46/clobbrsaur...

Cause he's open all day and night to serve you?

"We respect every team we play and every player we go up against but we know we have that mindset of trying to be guys that go out and get after it and have that competitive spirit for 48 minutes straight," Durant said. "That's our brand of basketball here in Oklahoma City, and that's how it's going to be for a long time."

This is from the recap on espn. Good stuff.

Pro Basketball Talk is quickly becoming one of my favorite general NBA blogs. From their recap:

"The Thunder are built to have Durantula put in between 20 and 40 every night, but to also create even distribution. And that's what they got tonight. Six players in double figures. Two players with double-doubles. And their defense? It's not opportunistic, it's relentless. It's Soviet tanks rolling over fences and crushing houses. Holding one of the best offenses in the league to 99 points per 100 estimated possessions? That's phenomenal."

The other problem I have with +/- is I don't believe the sample sizes are large enough to keep up with the rate of development. For older veterans, sure, but over the course of one or two seasons for developing players, I wouldn't be surprised if it's close to useless.

Darryl Morey admitted as much on his Simmons podcast. You're not going to get anything more than very rudimentary analysis by looking at adjusted +/-, hoopdata, 82games.com. The most useful and exciting metrics, it seems, are proprietary and aren't available in the public domain. Probably because Morey's metrics require a whole team of trained analysts watching each game logging all the things the official scorer doesn't.

wow

when I was trying to think of dramatic headlines for OKC's win, I didn't think of this:

Raptors Dick-smacked by Thunder

good factoid from newsok.com recap:

"Meanwhile, Oklahoma City keeps taking care of business. The Thunder hasn’t lost to a team that currently has a losing record in nearly four months, a Nov. 11 loss to the Los Angeles Clippers."

that's the way to do it

By summing these individual regularized Adjusted +/-s by hoopnumbers method for players the current starting lineup gets a score of about +2 per 48 minutes. By basketballvalue's different method for lineups the current starting lineup get a -2 per 48 minutes. That is a pretty good match and when you account for the known difference in methods it might be even closer. At least for this one big minute lineup. The raw +/- is +1.5.

(I don't believe or trust it all as exact but there is a good amount of food for thought and probably insight available from the approach. I think. Though it can keep getting better and more versions can be more useful for different things.)

recap at Raptors Republic

fun quotes:

"Jarrett Jack is supposed to be the rock of the team right now and how easily he was molested by Westbrook took me by surprise"

and

"...OKC did a solid job of exploiting the first available mismatch, whether it be Green dunking on Hedo or Westbrook blowing by Bargnani. They’re a very alert team that seeks out mismatches in the half-court and looks to force turnovers, very much enjoyed watching them."

I haven't looked at the newest 1 year numbers league-wide yet. But yeah, use caution for players on different teams and for lower minute players.

But there are now 4 year numbers available as well, in 2 different versions.

And Ibaka is actually 4th best on defense, pushing Durant to 5th. I got mixed up trying to explain further.

@Crow

Looking at the overall rankings, like other +/- metrics, I'm forced to take it with a grain of salt. Sergio Rodriguez 9th? C'mon now..

+/- has great utility when you look at the lineups you throw out there, and compare your own players but looking at different teams with different quality players and reserves, it's too noisy. Interesting stuff nonetheless, though.

Actually Krstic gets a tie for 3rd with Thabo for best defensive impact.

btw, this guy, who is also karmically balanced, says that Harden has the best beard in the NBA.

so, I think that basically settles it!

So the best offensive impacts are estimated as being
1) Westbrook, 2) Durant, 3) Green, 4) Harden. The worst are 1) Ibaka, 2) Maynor, 3) Krstic.

And the best defensive impacts are 1) Collison, 2) Maynor, 3) Thabo, 4) Durant. The worst are 1) Green, 2) Westbrook.

@Crow

No surprises there..

f5alcon :@crick

lol, it could have been worse, they could have said they gave us a win

heh, you know I always wondered about that phrase. I mean, how the heck do you 'hand' someone a loss? I think they'd just look at it and say "no thanks" and toss it right back at you. No, I think you have to force the issue - as in, ramming it down their throats.

Yeah, that's it:
"Thunder ram a loss down the Raptors throat"

There, that's better.
:)

Here is the same table with the decimal cut down to 1 digit. Sorry for not doing that before.

Rank Player RAPM Offense Defense
1 Kevin Durant 4.2 2.3 -1.9
2 Nick Collison 2.9 -1.1 -4.0
3 James Harden 1.8 0.3 -1.5
4 Russ Westbrook 1.1 3.0 1.9
5 Eric Maynor -0.1 -3.6 -3.4
6 Nenad Krstic -0.4 -2.7 -2.3
7 Thabo Sefolosha -1.2 -3.6 -2.3
8 Jeff Green -1.4 1.2 2.6
9 Serge Ibaka -1.8 -3.9 -2.1

These are the newest Adjusted +/- figures for 2009-10 at hoopnumbers.com just released.

They are "regularized" to attempt to fix a perceived problem with previous versions of Adjusted +/- that may have overstreatched the scores too high and too low at the extremes and make these regularized figures both more realistic and believable.

RAPM is a player's overall regularized Adjusted +/- and then there is the offensive /defensive split. On offense positive is good, negative is bad. On defense negative is good, indicating that you are reducing opponent scoring, while positive means you are giving up more points.

Rank Player RAPM Offense Defense
1 Kevin Durant 4.239 2.322 -1.917
2 Nick Collison 2.936 -1.113 -4.049
3 James Harden 1.828 0.32 -1.508
4 Russ Westbrook 1.129 3 1.871
5 Eric Maynor -0.14 -3.559 -3.419
6 Nenad Krstic -0.378 -2.701 -2.323
7 Thabo Sefolosha -1.245 -3.56 -2.315
8 Jeff Green -1.43 1.157 2.587
9 Serge Ibaka -1.76 -3.89 -2.13

@crick
lol, it could have been worse, they could have said they gave us a win

f5alcon :
we have beaten every eastern conference team except cavs and celtics now

silly rabbit... we didn't 'beat' them -- we 'handed' them a loss!

:o

we have beaten every eastern conference team except cavs and celtics now

Walt Frazier wins best beard but if we're shooting for more modern, then it's definitely Big Z when he was rocking this: http://www.nba.com/media/z_400_070511.jpg

@morgan
The only honor that wins is Worst Beard of All-Time

6 games up in the loss column on the 9/10/11th place teams...just sayin'.

I missed the game tonight and am just starting to watch it.. I must say that rasho and Krstic lumbering up the court side by side is pretty hilarious..

OMG

just watched the nut-grabber video

oh my!

:o

yes but...

Harden's beard is not all scrappy and intimidating in a jut-out and 'scrape-you-like-steel-wool' way. No sir! It is orderly and together. It hugs the face with firmness and yet sophistication. It proclaims "I'm here, just where I belong". It has a certain... one-ness with the universe. It is karmically balanced.

So there.
;)

@crick
I get that Harden's beard is on it's way, and he's impressive. I get that. But Reggie is just in a different league, poem notwithstanding.

Check out this beard pic: http://www.hmbeers.com/?tag=reggie-evans

And check out this short video: http://www.noob.us/humor/reggie-evans-violates-chr...

And then, tell me if Harden is ready to be in the discussion with Reggie. To me it's no contest.

@crick
That is so awesome.

"His beard is more intimidating than Harden’s."

what????

heresy!

obviously, you haven't read

Ode to Harden's Beard

Maybe Grant Long will take up some of your suggestions crick.

The recent championship Celtics improved from 16th on defense to 1st. Thunder so far have gone from 20th to 3rd.

If the Thunder can do it that big, I'd think some other teams could make a good sized defensive jump too thru design and effort. But it is rare.

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