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Heartbreak in OKC as the Thunder fall in overtime to the Spurs, 109-108

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After Oklahoma City pummeled the Knicks Wednesday night, I wrote about how most of the time I like a good close game with big moments and clutch plays. Let me clarifiy: I’m pretty sure I only like close games like that when Oklahoma City wins.

But make no mistake, the Thunder’s 109-108 overtime loss to the Spurs was an excellent game. Definitely the best of the season thus far. If Russell Westbrook’s jumper as time expired didn’t hit back-iron and had fallen and the Thunder had won, this one would have been tucked away in a special place for me. Like as in, best professional game I’d ever attended. But it didn’t. So I’m not too keen on storing this one in the memory banks.

OKC dug a 19-point hole early that it couldn’t get all the way out of until there were two minutes left in the third. The Spurs jumped out early in the fourth, but a couple big time stops and great execution on the offensive end forced the game into an extra frame. And then it wrapped up the way any great game should – star players made plays, the officials made questionable calls that one side loved and the other side hated and it all came down to one final possession. There were highs and lows, but in the end, pretty much all lows.

I’m kind of sort of past all the moral victory stuff, but honestly, after the way the first 16 minutes of this one went, I kind of have to give it up to the Thunder for even being in a position to win. Of course, that’s no excuse to dig yourself a big hole and lose, but still. Still.

And yep, San Antonio did this without Tim Duncan. But DeJuan Blair did a decent job of filling in for Timmy and by “decent job” I mean he turned into freaking Wilt Chamberlain. Blair (who as everyone will remind me for the rest of my life, was the 37th pick overall last June), had 28 points, 21 rebounds, two blocks and two steals. He was absolutely a bull inside and OKC had no match whatsoever. The only thing that stopped Blair was his sixth foul, which James Harden drew on him with an and-1 in overtime.

But give credit to Manu. That was one heckuva play to save the day. The whistle didn’t blow and in the end, it doesn’t matter. Of course I thought the travel should have been called, but it wasn’t and the Thunder had a chance regardless. But I would be lying if I didn’t say that I’m rather irked it wasn’t called.

But we have to talk for a minute about the Spurs’ last possession. I’m no ref whiner and I hate the people that constantly beg for calls, but this has to be covered because, well, it decided the game. Through a Thunder fan’s eyes, it looked like a travel by Manu. He went airborne with no where to go, passed the ball and then recovered it himself. So, it should have been a travel. The replays of it kind of stink and maybe the ball grazed Antonio McDyess’s jersey. But even if it did, there’s no way an official saw that. No way. Again, bear in mind I’m a shameless homer, but that’s a travel by Ginobili and OKC should have had the ball. I’m convinced. Even Spurs color man Sean Elliot even said San Antonio got away with one there, and that’s after he nearly threw a fit over some earlier calls going against his team (or so I’m told). So… if there’s a whistle there, maybe things would have been different.

But give credit to Manu. That was one heckuva play to save the day. The whistle didn’t blow and in the end, it doesn’t matter. Of course I thought the travel should have been called, but it wasn’t and the Thunder had a chance regardless. But I would be lying if I didn’t say that I’m rather irked it wasn’t called. And by “irked” I mean, I may or may not have pushed the guy standing next to me out of Loud City after it in instant anger.

And while I’m complaining a bit, how much is Kevin Durant held throughout a game? I mean, seriously. Especially on the last possession, I think Richard Jefferson actually crawled inside KD’s jersey. That’s a tough call to make, but the Thunder couldn’t get the ball into Durant’s hands because of it. He was being bear-hugged and I think George Hill possibly tied his feet together as well. Again, you’ll never see that call, so if the official is going to swallow his whistle in that respect, Durant needs to just get pissed and give a big ‘ol push-off to break free. And if he gets tagged for it, that’s when I come running out of the stands wielding a t-shirt cannon pointed at you-know-who.

Notes:

  • OKC is now 0-3 in overtime. You know what that means? TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS IN THE FIRST 48 FROM NOW ON GUYS.
  • KD took a season-high 31 shots tonight. His jumper wouldn’t fall at all in regulation, but he got it done by attacking the rim. It was some of the best penetration he’s had this year (I know, I know… that’s what she said). But in overtime, he took over and hit jumper after jumper. He was plain stinking awesome. He finished with 35 points on 14-31 shooting (45 percent is pretty good for an off night), five rebounds and three assists. He did pick up seven turnovers though.
  • More on KD: He was 3-9 from 16-23 feet, 3-10 from 10-15 feet, but 6-7 at the rim. Like I said, he was excellent in that regard tonight.
  • I guess KD was the stud of the evening for OKC, but Russell Westbrook was nearly equally fantastic. He was the reason the Thunder even had a chance period. Twenty-five points (9-24), 13 assists, six rebounds and only three turnovers. He ran the offense perfectly down the stretch and in OT and of course hit the HUGE jumper to force the extra five. He needed one more to fall though. Bummer.
  • One thing though about Westbrook: Tony Parker abused him early. Parker got anywhere he wanted and his step-back jumper was killer. Russ just didn’t have the length to really contest it. Parker had 22 points at the half and Thabo switch over to Mr. Longoria to start the second half. And if you need reason to believe Thabo is an elite defender, see here: After halftime Parker didn’t score until there was under three minutes left in the fourth and had just six points after halftime. Yep, Thabo’s good.
  • For I think the first time this year, Nenad Krstic didn’t begin the second half in a game he started. Nick Collison instead got the call and it was a great decision by Scott Brooks. I like Krstic, I really do, but he had no value tonight. He played just nine minutes, didn’t score and didn’t grab a rebound. Collison had eight rebounds and eight points and did a decent job putting tourniquet on the gaping wound DeJuan Blair had opened up in the first quarter.
  • Jeff Green was really solid. He had 16 points (7-9) and 10 boards, but if he could have grabbed one more, OKC probably wins. He was stout defensively down the stretch as he got caught in a couple switches on Manu and Parker, but he held his own. I thought he had a great game.
  • I heard some M-V-P chants for KD while he was at the line tonight. It bugs the heck out of me when it happens at Staples for Kobe, but I’ll admit, I joined in tonight with a big grin on my face.
  • James Harden: 12 points and seven rebounds in 33 minutes. But he took just five shots. He passed up a couple good looks from 3, which in hindsight, I really wish he had taken. But his defense was surprisingly good on Ginobili in the fourth and in overtime. That’s a big step for him.
  • The play Scott Brooks drew up late in the fourth that freed Thabo for the dunk to tie the game was brilliant. KD was a total decoy and the Spurs bit, especially because Durant had just burned them on the same play right before. He ran off Thabo’s pick, two Spurs went with him and Thabo slipped to the rim. It was kind of like how a football team would run a bubble screen just to set up a little hitch-and-go on the next play. Perfect execution there.
  • Another thing about Manu: He was 0-10 and scored just two points, but easily made the play of the game. Even if it was a travel.
  • After giving up 35 points in the first quarter, OKC got back in it by holding the Spurs to 13 in the third. A big difference was just that San Antonio started missing the shots they were hitting earlier.
  • The small linuep of Eric Maynor, Westbrook, Harden, Durant and Green is what got OKC back in this game in the second quarter. It really gave the Spurs fits.
  • There are about a billion more thoughts from this game, but I’ll just leave it be and let the gallery discuss from here.

Don’t sign me up for a moral victory. This one stung. I walked out of the Ford Center with my head hung low, feeling like someone had just informed me a pet I owned was severely injured or something. And here’s where I ponder getting all sappy and talking about how it’s a blessing to even get to feel this kind of pain, because you know, we have a team now, but I’m going to fight the urge. Forget the sunshiny feelings. This one plain hurt. It looked bad from the beginning but these guys fought. They never quit. They had a rabid home crowd screaming for them and they felt like they were letting them down. So they scratched, clawed and worked their way back in a game against an elite team and had a chance to win.

Yes, it would have been a huge win. In the long run as this team pushes for the playoffs, we may look back on it and think what if. But if we learned anything tonight, it’s that these guys aren’t going to quit. And while there’s nothing good to take out of that, I do have to say I’m kind of proud of them, win or lose. It truly was a fantastic game and there were moments where we all thought, “Holy crap, these guys are going to do it.” Kevin Durant nearly went nova and took the thing over like only the brightest of stars do. But it just wasn’t meant to be. Which sucks.


Next up: At Dallas Friday night.

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I haven't totaled it up precisely but on the surface it appears the current starting lineup does better than the East, notably worse against the West. They play in the West.

Besides the starting lineup there are only 10 Thunder lineups that are used on average 1 minute per game, none over two minutes a game. I'll look at small samples for clues but really if they continue like this I don't think they can say they know anything solid about any other lineup than the starting lineup going into next season. If the starting lineup remains blah or worse did you largely waste an important opportunity this season?

I am glad for the concurrence from Mark! and justin.
I know others prefer Nick too.

To add a little more, I'll remind that the current starting lineup as a whole is under 102 offensive efficiency.

Merely substitute Collison in to that and it goes to 108.4. It is the second most used lineup, but gets not much more than 10% the playing time of the current starting lineup. Even if you don't change the starting lineup you can adjust this ratio. Moderately or dramatically.

I'll be honest, my immediate reaction to the Ginobli play was that it was a travel. BUT, when I watched the replay, it did hit McDyess (sp?) before Ginobli flew out of bounds to save it. It makes me sick, but it was a hell of a play by Ginobli. I don't even see how it was possible.

As for our starting line-up, we may see a change in starters after Brooks bringing out Collison for the second half, but I wouldn't expect it. It seems to be Brook's philosophy to maintain the current starting situation until forced to change it.

I think everyone's perception agrees with the information Crow is putting out about our lineups. Our starting five is one of our worst lineups and we use it so often. Just put Collison in there and see how we do..

@aaron
Exactly. That's why I was upset.

I am not a basketball player so I may be wrong, but isn't traveling when you touch the ball after you pass it?
(like Ginobli did). I can't see that anyone else touched it. I think that this is what Brooks is explaining to the ref.

Free Etan Thomas from the bench!! Last night was a perfect example of needing the big guy - Collison did a great job but could use the help. Any one following The Hornets knew Bryon Scott had a dog house and boy did he use it. The coach says Etan isn't in the dog house but it looks pretty suspicious to me.

@Crow
It's a crime that Collison isn't starting over Nenad.

It doesn't make sense to me at all. Two biggest reasons Nenad should come off the bench:

1) Green + Nenad crowds the perimeter on offense.
2) Nenad's only real asset is jump shooting and he isn't even our 3rd option in the starting lineup. That means he only gets a couple chances to score before he needs to be pulled. That takes a toll on the confidence of a shooter. But if he comes off the bench, then he was going to come out of the game anyway. If he's hot, it's not a big deal to leave him in.

Nick starting should be a no brainer.

I agree with those concerning Etan. After the first few minutes of Nenad's effectiveness, Collison and Thomas should have rotated on Blair. If that happened, I don't think Blair would have gotten all of those 21 rebounds or 28 points. Etan hasn't been in a game since Dec 4, but should be used when other matchups fail.

add: Westbrook is consistently at the bottom of the rankings because he makes the same mistakes both games . . .

an offensive parallel would be like Thabo scoring a small number of points every game - he's not a good scorer, so you are rarely (if ever) going to see him score 25+ points . . .

Westbrook has had like 3 good defensive games all year - that stinks since he was drafted high partially because he was supposedly a "lockdown defender" . . .

by horrible I meant horrible defensively . . .

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and I am not biased towards RW - He's consistently at the bottom because he's a mediocre defender . . . I don't talk about it every game, but there have to be at least ten to fifteen breakdowns this year where I have gone into serious detail about his flaws - please go back and read them if you want details about why I know he's not a good defender . . .

It is probably more scheme than personnel but certainly the current starting personnel does not compensate for the weak scheme.

Westbrook-Harden-Durant? They have been used 321 minutes and perform at a team efficency of 110. They are the third best triplet (based on total raw +/- edge for season, not per minute) behind Collison-Durant-Harden and
Collison-Durant-Westbrook.

Best quad? Collison-Durant-Harden-Westbrook is only 4th best overall but sparkles at 124 on offnese. But 3 of these 4 guys appear in all of the top 5 lineups so choose whatever 4th and 5th guy you want but I'd put at least 3 of these out there.

cwilson :@KevOk so I’m going to start nicely and ask what exactly your game breakdown is based on, defense only correct?
If I read them correctly and understand your ’system’ and how you score it I think you are not giving Russ a fair shake. He plays amazing with energy and execution and yet he is constantly at the bottom of your defensive list.
I mean seriously? He plays over 50 minutes and yet he has a worse effect than the guy who couldn’t play through the first quarter? Seems you are negatively biased towards RW…
If I’m wrong I am sorry JMO…

I am at work so I can't go into detail, but Westbrook was horrible last night . . . I will go into detail tonight if you are interested . . .

@Crow

Honestly, I think the bigger problem is offensive scheme and less about the personnel. Westbrook and Durant are the only players in the starting lineup able to consistently create their own offense. Maynor and Harden can create their own offense, but they're also given more flexibility to do so since they play with the second unit. Collison isn't a surprise because the kind of offensive production he gets (put backs, open dunks, etc.)

I really want to see what kind of damage we could do offensively with Westbrook-Harden-Durant. I think Westbrook's athleticism, Harden's vision, Durant's shooting (all potential transcent players in those categories) would offer so many opportunities. But I also know that simply inserting Harden into the starting lineup wouldn't change anything.

This team needs a new offense. That's all there is to it.

If you want better offense (and maybe better net overall performance) from the starters it seems like you'd want to put at least other one of your players with an above average team offensive efficiency number on the court out there with him. Or two, or more.

With Durant, the team is a bit below 109.

Without, short of 101.

With Collison the team is at 110. With Harden 110. With Maynor 108. But will they start any of them? Nah. With White was 109 last season, 118 this season. Apparently no use for him, send him to the D-league.

League average for team offensive efficiency is just under 107 pts per 100 possessions. The only Thunder starter to see the team exceed 107 on average during their time on the court this season is Durant. With Westbrook on the court the team is right at 107 while with the other 3 on average for all their time the team is below 107. The only starter to exceed 107 in a prior season in their carers is Krstic once- when he was with Kidd, Carter and Jefferson and even then they were just at 108. The top 8 teams are at 110 or pushing it on average and exceed that for almost all of their starters. This team is probably not running a good offense but the players also bring almost no experience with even an average offense to the table. But these are the ingredients of the current designed starting lineup.

Spurs fan here. Good game guys. Heckuva lot of fun. I thought our old guys would collapse any moment, especially Tony who looked drained in the second half.

That last play, there are about ten different gifs by now. You can take a look. If you follow the Spurs enough, you will find Manu hitting other guys with passes they don't know are coming a common enough occurence. In this case, he sneaked one to Dyess who never saw it and hit him mid-body with it so that it bounced back in front of Manu going away and out of bounds. Its a tough loss. We have had our ones so far. But this game was won fair and square on sheer effort and will power. Both sides played with no excuses I thought.

Alex :

The DON :
Al Jefferson last night: 26pts 26rebs

You know he played 50 minutes last night right?

You are SO right. That totally makes 26pts and 26rebs irrelevant

@Mark!
"Teams like this expose our rebounding problem so bad. It’s the same reason we struggle against Houston in rebounds. It’s not a dominant big that ruins our rebounding. It’s an active perimeter. How many times did you see the Spurs move the ball around the perimeter, our guards ramping around to cover, and then when the shot goes up, none of our guards are in position to rebound? This is what caused so many of those tipped balls (instead of just rebounding it) or why Blair was able to get just about anything within 8 feet of the rim. Our guards couldn’t compensate for our poor interior rebounding like they usually can when the other team has an active perimeter. So frustrating."

Great post. I agree completely. Our guys do a great job closing out and contesting on the perimeter, but because we lack a solid big, we get dominated on the glass once the shot is in the air. This is precisly why Houston has our number.

Presti and crew must have been kicking themselves for taking Mullens over Blair... sigh

@Alex

It's still almost 18 rebounds if he only played his season average of 33.9 minutes. He's a rebounding machine.

from @manuginobili's twitter
"I wanna play OKC again soon. Percentages r w/me. 0/18 in 2 games!"

The DON :
Al Jefferson last night: 26pts 26rebs

You know he played 50 minutes last night right?

Bit of a confession here...

Last year, when I heard a star player on the other team wasn't going to play, I was really bummed. I was going for entertainment and wanted to see all the stars.

This year, when I heard Timmy was going to sit out, I was THRILLED. I don't really care about the other team any longer - I just want our boys to win.

If this is a growing sentiment amongst others, our fan base is headed in the right direction. I've drunk the kool-aid, for sure.

go THUNDER!

@The DON

I'm going to go ahead and say about 18 of them?

If you subtract one FGA from the team total for each offensive rebound a team gets (effectively erasing the failed attempt), then the Spurs had an eFG% of 60% and the Thunder had 55%.

I almost cried. Each Spurs point physically hurt me. Especially the last one.

The DON :
Al Jefferson last night: 26pts 26rebs

^^^ true story. 23 of those rebounds were defensive rebounds. How many defensive rebounds could we have used last night?

Just sayin'

So ten games ago we had a small discussion about the SOS for the next ten games and what record we thought we would have over those ten games. Well, we ended up 7-3 like most of us thought we would, but I noticed something else. The SOS before the string started was .396. Now that the games are over, the SOS for those ten games is .423. That's right, even though we beat those teams 7 out of 10, their overall record got better. Of course, a lot of that is NO's 7-2 and SA's 8-2 record over that streach, but Charlotte, Chicago, and New York all managed winning records over that streach, so while the SOS was low, we seemed to hit a number of these team when they were playing better than their overall record would indicate, so 7-3 isn't too bad.

i just think they need to install some plan b and plan c incase plan a doesnt work out.

the mvp channts cazme at a time when kd was playing poorly which kinda was weird.

I just hope we can win tomorrow i really wanted 2 wins out of the last game plus the next 3.

I can only imagine how good we will be next year once harden and ibaka have gotten better.

Al Jefferson last night: 26pts 26rebs

And by higher, I meant worse.

@cwilson
Kev's scoring system isn't a per48. It's just a tally. I'm sure if Nenad had played the same number of minutes, his score would've been higher.

@Kev
Ok so I'm going to start nicely and ask what exactly your game breakdown is based on, defense only correct?

If I read them correctly and understand your 'system' and how you score it I think you are not giving Russ a fair shake. He plays amazing with energy and execution and yet he is constantly at the bottom of your defensive list.

I mean seriously? He plays over 50 minutes and yet he has a worse effect than the guy who couldn't play through the first quarter? Seems you are negatively biased towards RW...

If I'm wrong I am sorry JMO...

1) The crowd was amazing last night. I think it's the best crowd we've had all year. Also, the entertainment folks had a lot less miscues than they normally do. Pretty good night at the Ford Center.

2) 27-year-old Tony Parker made 21-year-old Russell Westbrook look like a 46-year-old Jason Kidd (yes, a future rec-league version of J-Kidd). Russ was fine on offense; he pulled his Westbrick jumper out of the bag a few times, but he didn't kill us on offense. He played well.

People shouldn't be mad about his play at the end of the game. They should be mad at Brooks & Co for not coaching end of game offense. We've had several opportunities this year where we've needed plays at the end of a game. Is our team seriously so uncoached at the end of games that if the other team is denying Durant the ball (surprise!), we don't know what else to do? For the next 10 games, I want to see end of game plays where KD isn't the first option. Pleaase.

If you want to be mad at Russ, be mad at his defense. He was horrible. It was just a matter of defensive fundamentals. Thabo did what he could to stay in front of Parker and did a good job shading him away from the basket and forcing him to pass or shoot off balance. There's no reason Westbrook should be physically unable to guard Parker. Especially if Thabo can.

3) Little more about the play at the end of the game. We came out of timeout, Harden moved to the corner and Manu was "guarding him" but was standing off him over 10 feet; he was really in position to help on a drive. I was pumped. I just knew that they were going to inbound the ball to Russ at the top of the key, Russ was going to swing it to Harden, and we'd have a good look. Instead, Westbrook was told to give the ball to Durant. I wonder if that's what they call that play. Giveitodurant. Whatever it is, it's a bad play.

I know we've been told countless times that this season is all about defense (can anyone find me a quote where Brooks actually insinuated that they were focusing on defense to the detriment of offense? That seems like a weird thing for a coach to admit to...), but could we possibly advance our offensive scheme past the rectangle offense (one guy has the ball, the other four stand around and watch)? It's pitiful, especially with all the young, athletic guys we have that could be constantly screening and rolling to the basket.

4) Teams like this expose our rebounding problem so bad. It's the same reason we struggle against Houston in rebounds. It's not a dominant big that ruins our rebounding. It's an active perimeter. How many times did you see the Spurs move the ball around the perimeter, our guards ramping around to cover, and then when the shot goes up, none of our guards are in position to rebound? This is what caused so many of those tipped balls (instead of just rebounding it) or why Blair was able to get just about anything within 8 feet of the rim. Our guards couldn't compensate for our poor interior rebounding like they usually can when the other team has an active perimeter. So frustrating.

5) Still a good game. Just mad because I had a whole row of obnoxious Spurs fans sitting behind me. I also agree with justin about Thomas. I have no idea whatsoever why he isn't playing. Is it because he's not part of the "future?" If that's the case, here's to hoping that Nenad sits the bench all of next season since it's the last year of his contract.

I was surprised we didn't have a play designed for someone other then Durant to take the shot. Maybe green as a second option as they've done in the past. Just seemed liked Westbrook improvised his way to that shot.

I think you all covered everything I was feeling here. It was truly an epic game. Best of the season for me. It seemed very very playoffish.

The Spurs move the ball better than any team in the league I think.

Defensive Breakdown

We were defensively flat at the outset. We were a step slow, and a great passing team like the Spurs made us pay. We got back in the game, and then our halfcourt defense fizzled. Due to time constraints, I only have time to breakdown one play, but it was run on us over and over.

In the fourth quarter with less than seven minutes left, Spurs wingman Manu Ginobli (James Harden) is out top. The screener is DeJuan Blair (Jeff Green). Harden slides through the pick over the top, which is good defense. The problem is that Harden, ,Russell Westbrook and Thabo (to some extent) had been going under or switching all night, so screen defender Green had already slid over to stop Ginobli from penetrating. This is great help defense by Green – but he was ANTICIPATING A BREAKDOWN up top. Harden probably surprised Green by fighting over the top. The end result is that Blair had a free lane to roll in the lane. Ginobli delivered the pass to Blair for the easy throwdown. Some people wondered why the lane is open – if you help, then Blair kicks it out for three – pick your poison. The problem lies with the guards out top.

The defense graded out at a poor -8 – this was the lowest of the season.

Jeff Green (+4)

I thought Green did a good job defensively. Brooks ask him to bang outside and to guard “guards” after switches. He is also doing of GREAT job of flying at shooters out of rotation

Thabo Sefolosha (+4)

Thabo picked a stupid time to go under a pick. I’m referring to the last play of regulation. I jus gave Green kudos for holding his own against guards, but you don’t want him guarding one of the fastest guys in the NBA in crunch time. Thabo’s rep is made on the defensive end – he HAS to fight over the top and make Parker shoot a tough runner or make him get rid of it. The offensive equivalent would be watching Durant pass the ball with eight seconds left when he’s not being double teamed.

Serge Ibaka (+2)

Eric Maynor (+1)

Nick Collison (-2)

Kevin Durant (-2)

James Harden (-2)

Nenad Krstic (-5)

Russell Westbrook (-6)

great writeup, Royce.. i'm still upset hours later that they didn't call that travel.. amazing effort and comeback from the guys, though.. i love this team.. i feel bad for them that they didn't get this one..

I'm sorry that OKC lost. I thought they deserved a W more than the Spurs, because your team never stopped fighting your way back into the game (like how the old Spurs used to do). A loss ought to knock some sense into Pop to stop playing small ball.

After starting -8 in the first 5 minutes, Brooks only went back to the starting lineup for 3 more minutes and they gave another -3.

One more comparison-

Memphis has the most used lineup in the league at almost 730 minutes. It rates at +5.2 per 48 on Adjusted and raw +/-.

OKC's starting lineup is 3rd most used at almost 600 minutes but rates at -6.4 on Adjusted. Only -1.8 on raw +/-. Adjusted doesn't like it.

Fix that starting lineup and you might put more distance between yourselves and Memphis. Don't fix it and they may catch you.

Memphis despite the strong record would probably benefit from some trades. They should be willing to trade anybody but Gasol.

OKC has more & better depth right now. But Memphis will have the draft picks to catch up some.

andrew :
Chad Ford talking about the Thunder in his chat:
Keyan (Memphis)
Memphis gets no respect in the NBA can we at least get one question answered here Chad? Who is the “Real” team of the future between the Thunder and the Grizz. I see the Grizz having better overall talent and MUCH better big guys. Durant is great, and there are some nice pieces there but Gasol, Randolph and Thabeet to go along with OJ, Rudy, Young and Conley? We are better right?
Chad Ford (1:41 PM)
Durant is a superstar. Russell Westbrook is the second best player on either squad. After that Grizz have a nice run with OJ, Gay (if the Grizzlies re-sign him), Conley and Gasol. But I’d take two great players and a great organization over a bunch of good players and a very questionable organization. So yeah, I like the Thunders future better. But I get your point. Grizzlies have a lot of potential if Michael Heisley doesn’t mess it up.

I think Chad Ford is wrong on a couple things there. I'd say Gasol is the second best player in this team comparison. And Conley is not that good.

Memphis is easy to criticize after that Gasol trade and then signing Randolph but it is not looking bad like people thought it would.

Consider the following team stat comparisons:

Memphis 12-5 at home. 6-7 vs top 10 teams. 12-13 in the Division.

OKC 11-9 at home. 3-10 vs top 10. 8-13 in the Division.

OKC has an edge overall based on thumping the east and being better on the road. But Memphis is only 1 1/2 games back while playing 4 less games at home and 4 more games against the tougher Division.

The West is tough. Houston and Utah are prominent names in the fight for the 8th seed. But Memphis is still in it too. They are strong on offense- 9th best- and weak on defense. Basically the opposite of OKC. We'll see who maintains their strength or fixes their weakness first.

@Dylan

I dont know, I dont know if its play calling and they cant get it to him, and I know Kobe Bryant is the best player in the planet but he gets the last shot with people doubling him. Just in my opion seems like a) we cant get kevin the ball in the last seconds of games, b) russ doesnt want to defer to kevin on the big stage. i could be completely wrong and it happens alot but how many true last second shots has KD actually taken. I just get bummed out because on last second games if we have the ball and are down by 1 i just feel that we dont get the shot that we want. But that is my humble opinion and again i may be totally off base because i do think they have excellent play calling and russ has now embraced the assist, just not on the last play if that makes any sense

Durant was 35 feet from the basket with 2 seconds left. if russ gives him the ball, what exactly is he going to be able to do with it?