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Bad shooting equals bad offense for OKC as Chicago wins, 96-86

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Sigh. LOUD sigh.

This was a game Oklahoma City needed. Coming off two straight heartbreakers, the best medicine to heal the wounds from the road was sure to be the start of a nice four-game homestand. But it was not to be. Chicago pummeled the Thunder in the fourth quarter, outscoring OKC 28-20 in the final frame to win their fourth straight, 96-86.

What disappoints me most isn’t just the loss. It’s the way it all went down. With 8:30 left in the fourth, Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook checked back in with OKC trailing by eight. It was time for the two studs to pick up a team that was struggling offensively. They didn’t. Let me put it this way: The Thunder didn’t make their first basket until there was 3:53 left in the final frame and started out the quarter 0-14. Not awesome.

KD hit a couple shots late after the Thunder fell behind by 16 to make it all feel a little bit better. But still, the offensive ineptitude can’t be ignored. After the Bulls put in 56 first half points, OKC locked down holding Chicago to just 12 points in the third. It felt like last time. The Thunder was going to tighten the screws, make some plays in the fourth and take care of business. But in order to do such a thing, you have to put the ball in the basket. The Thunder shot 36.9 percent from the field. That’s not putting the ball in the basket. Jeff Green was stellar, but for the most part, if Kevin Durant doesn’t play like his normal self, this team isn’t scoring and sometimes winning. And that’s not encouraging.

You can’t expect Durant to notch 30 points every night on like six shots. Heck, Durant had 28 and 11, but it came on 7-19 shooting 12 of those came when things were pretty much academic. Like I said, Jeff Green was excellent scoring 24 on 9-19 shooting along with nine rebounds, but the rest of the team scored only 34 points on, wait for it, 15 of 46 shooting. That’s 32 percent. Yikes and yikes.

OKC plays pretty good offense at times. But those times are when they’re making jumpers. If the shots aren’t falling, everything is elementary offensively. The ball movement lacks. The cutting isn’t there. The aggressive goes out the window. I actually found it a bit curious that Russell Westbrook only played 28 minutes, mainly because these are the types of nights he can step up and fill the void on the offensive end. It’s not like he was doing bad. He had 10 points on 5-11 and seven assists. He hit a few jumpers, went to the hole and was finishing relatively well. Yet Scott Brooks opted for the more pass oriented Eric Maynor for extended stretches. And while Maynor is an excellent backup point man, he’s not someone that can carry you offensively, especially when the guys he’s passing to aren’t making their shots.

Notes:

  • OKC turned it over only 14 times. For them, that’s pretty good. Again, it just comes down to not making shots.
  • Jeff Green had his first 20-point game since Jan. 6 against New Orleans and only his seventh of the season. But in his last eight Green is averaging 15.1 ppg and 8.1 rpg. So maybe he’s turning the corner and breaking out of this funk. Jeff Green is a good basketball player. And this team needs his production.
  • Just like last time, Thabo started the second half on Rose. In the first, Rose had 10 points on 5-12 shooting and four assists. In the second, he had 16 on 8-11. Oops. But to be fair to Thabo, Eric Maynor defended Rose for a good while in the fourth. And when Rose is on with that jumper, he’s pretty stinking awesome.
  • I’m pretty spotty on my Spanish, but I think Gilbert Flores said, “THAT’S Thunder basketball!” at least four times during his time on air. Grant Long only had a chance to sneak one in there tonight. It was an off night for everybody.
  • It’s a bad sign when KD misses three straight free throws. Which is exactly what he did to start the game.
  • Chicago shot 13-28 from 16 to 23 feet tonight. That’s outstanding. And OKC went 9-20 from the same distance, which isn’t bad by any means. The big difference is that the Thunder went 2-12 from inside 10 feet and 0-5 from 10 to 15 feet. Yuck.
  • In stretches, OKC was excellent defensively. Like the aforementioned third period. But in the first quarter after allowed 28 points in the first eight and half minutes, the Thunder didn’t give up a point for the last three and half minutes and forced Chicago into four straight turnovers. But the Bulls hit 45.6 percent from the field and oh yeah, outrebounded OKC 53-40. But then again, when your opponent misses 53 shots, there are lots of opportunities to rebound.
  • Taj Gibson had 15 boards for Chicago tonight.
  • Nenad Krstic’s first half line: Nine minutes, 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 blocks, 0 shots, three fouls and one turnover. But Krstic came out and showed a nice post move, took a charge and hit a jumper to start the second half. But he finished with just two rebounds. How does that happen?
  • Grant Long had Aaron Brooks and Tony Parker as All-Star reserves. And did not have Chris Paul on the roster. No comment.
  • Again, Jeff Green was really good. Did it feel like early on he had made it a point to be aggressive? His first shot he didn’t hesitate at all and knocked it down. I think mentally, he was really pushing himself to break out of this slump. He was a minus-18 for the game, but I think that was more coincidental because he happened to be on the floor for both of Chicago’s big runs. Don’t let the plus/minus fool you. Without Uncle Jeff, OKC loses this one by a lot more than 10.

I want to wash this one out of my mouth and just say, “Oh well, bad night.” But there’s really no excuse for it. You were rested. You should’ve been hungry. You should’ve been focused. Granted, the Bulls have been ripping through the West lately, but this isn’t a great team. This is only the third three-game losing streak of the season and it really needs to stop RIGHT NOW. Too bad Denver is coming in Friday.

Again, these are the pains of youth. There isn’t that championship focus every night. But that’s no excuse to not show up, especially in your own building. You had a sellout crowd waiting to explode and you dropped a dud in the fourth. There are some fairly serious offensive issues with this team right now, and you can’t always rely on good jumpshooting to carry you. I think the players are there to get it done. This team didn’t win 24 games and get into the playoff discussion by sucking. They’ll shake this off. This is just a bummer stretch of losses. But it may get worse with another good team looming.

Next up: Denver at home Friday.

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The score came up +34, which was initially surprising to me. Since this (brief breakdown) is VERY late (my apologies), I have watched the game three times. After the first two times I was disappointed at our inability to guard Rose. Westbrook fizzled in the first half, so (shocker) Thabo was switched onto Rose late in the second quarter. He fared only slightly better. Maynor did a better job on the All-star reserve (albeit in LIMITED time). We used our small lineup late in the fourth quarter, and we switched on all picks. This was a failed effort as well. Even worse was that we basically guarded Derrick with two guys all night. Brad Miller was ignored until he actually got the ball. Of course, this led to wide open looks. My solution: give Maynor a lot more time on Rose, and let’s see what he can do on him. Help defense is fine, but when your defense dictates that two guys cover one man, it’s not a good sign.

So I was upset about one guy killing us. Still, on the third time through, overall we played a good game defensively. The excellent contesting was still there, and Maynor and Collison posted GREAT scores. Maynor turned in another mistake free game. PLEASE GIVE HIM MORE TIME ON THE FLOOR!

I was very upset about a play late in the game. There’s a minute left – Thabo is guarding Rose out high. Rose puts a move on him and heads toward the goal. The other four Thunder defenders watch Rose go in and slam the ball ferociously. NO ONE MOVED. I don’t care if the game is over – foul him or do something. You’re playing at home, and you are going to go out like that? That’s the first time I’ve seen our players QUIT. How embarrassing.

Nick Collison (+10)

Eric Maynor (+9)

Jeff Green (+6)

Kevin Durant (+5)

Serge Ibaka (+4)

James Harden (+4)

Nenad Krstic (zero)

Russell Westbrook (-1)

Thabo Sefolosha (-3)

@The DON

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. I think Green did more than his share, and KD hit the boards hard to offset his mediocre shooting. Yes, he padded his stats late, but he drew defensive assignments all night that left the lane open, and we got shots at the rim, but missed most of them. Russell only took 11 shots, and made 5. That's not bad. He hit some big shots, had a few assists. He didn't have a bad game.

Krstic hurt us. Harden shot poorly. Ibaka didn't score well inside. Nick didn't either. Thabo couldn't keep Rose shut down. In my opinion, the supporting cast didn't play well. The big three would have all had to have outstanding games to have won last night.

Orlando has 7 around Howard and the Blazers if healthy would have 5-6.

Thunder needs 3-5 minimum to get to significant playoff status.

I raise questions whether the Cavs have enough offense and I'll stick by that in terms of winning a title; but I will balance that off and note they have 7 guys with a TS% above 55%. Thunder has one around Durant- Collison. That ain't enough.

ATR I liked Taj Gibson in the draft but they probably felt they had no room or need. You don't if you are locked into thinking green for 35-40 minutes a game. But you don't have to be...

DSMok1 I am somewhat surprised Green didn't far better on the game's SPM.

Rich since you are a big Cavs fan you know about trying to get enough around a superstar. I am not sure if they have enough to win the title yet but they have been willing to change a lot to try to get better.

Hi Williamfh. Welcome. I agree with you about the desire for a more clearcut answer at center. Enjoy your team.

will have my piece up tonight assuming I dont lose power . . .

for now, suffice it to say that we can't put two people on Rose all night and hope to win . . .

I'm a Cavs fan and follow the team religiously, but I also really like to watch this Thunder team when I can and here is how I feel about them. Pretty much, they remind me of Orlando and the Blazers to a certain extent. All three have a super star who is most likely going to get his. The problem for all three of these teams though isn't that they don't have enough talent around that guy, because they all do have talent. The problem is that most of the talent settles to much and relies heavily on jump-shooting. Basically, after Durant, the Thunder don't have who will/can go and get easy buckets for himself on a consistent basis. Like I said, I can't watch them all the time, so maybe I'm off base here, but I see why some Thunder fans have been wanting to trade for a low post presence. You just have to have a second player or two that can get to the rim, get the the line and get easy points on a regular basis.

@555
I think andrew was joking about giving up KD, because nobody is going to give up Wall for anything short of Jesus or Lebron.

On Russell, I think he can play really good D when he puts in the effort. I think the coaching staff gives him too much latitude on the switches.

andrew :@The DONAnyone would do it, but it would never happen.. This is the “John Wall Lottery for a reason.. We could maybe trade KD for him haha..

That would be the last thing the team should do...
This game was no energy on the Thunder's side. Shots were not going down, rebounds were taken and lost to the Bulls, the Bulls were making shots almost all night long. Even Lakers and Cavaliers would love game if they play like this.
Yes, the Thunder had their rest and they should been ready and hungry. However, sometime those elements don't play into the equation.
I actually thought KD was playing ok, not great, but not poor. I know we are customered to see him making shots but everyone has a down night and can't buy any basket, and tonight is another night for KD. But, I thought he was doing good on other stuffs. 11 rbs, 5 asts (okok, he had 4 tos too), 2 stls and 3 blks. Also, he played 40 mins and the Thunder was only -1 when he was on the floor.
One thing I've noticed and it could be more serious problem than the Thunder's offense. They really need to figure out how to play better defense on the pick and roll defense on the other team's PG. ESPECIALLY RW needs to improve on that. I am really having trouble to understand how people tag him as "Great Defender"? I am not just saying because Rose schooled him tonight, but the other teams' PGs have been doing that all year long too.

Looks like the thread went quiet, but I have to say my piece.

First, nice game Green. You showed up and hustled AS ALWAYS, and managed to get that jump shot going. You are also showing a real nice touch around the rim lately... keep it up.

Second, it's hard to complain about KD with a stat line like that, although I thought his D on Deng could have been a little better in the first half. Have to fight through those screens a bit better and be a bit more careful leaving your man on the weak side (even if the interior D needs all the help it can get). Otherwise, another solid game.

Russell, I'm not sure why you disappeared or why Brooks kept you on the bench for so long... that's really all I have to say about that.

Now to the rest you...

Harden, you did a pretty nice staying in front of Rose at times (better than Thabo in fact) and knocked down a couple key three pointers. BUT PASS THE FREAKIN BALL!!! You were 1-8 inside the 3pt line. ONE. of. EIGHT. And most of those shots were at the rim. News flash James: you can't jump and you can't finish at the rim and every player that has watched two seconds of film knows that if they just contest the shot and refrain from fouling you, they will get and easy check in the defensive rebound box. Stop praying for a foul call and go back to making 3's and nice passes.... please!

Krstic. I'm sorry buddy. I can tell you are frustrated. I really don't know what to say. Ask Russell how he went from a 30 inch verticle to a 40 inch verticle by doing those leg workouts he talked about. You are a good player in some respects and do a better job with position D than most give you credit for. But something has got to change on the glass.

Ibaka... great spark and energy. Keep working and playing hard. It will come, I can tell. But don't over play, and try to relax a little when you get the ball in scoring position. I can tell you panic just a bit.

OH... and the next time a player the caliber of Miller dances at midcourt, would someone please punch him in the face?

I'm glad I wasn't the only one wondering why Westbrook wasn't playing the last quarter. I'm yelling at my TV "put Westbrook back in" about 20 times. Usually Maynor plays pretty good but for some reason he just couldn't against The Bulls. It might have been good to try someone else at the point guard for back up to Westbrook last night.
This coach is starting to make me really mad. I understand trying to play through a rough stretch but geez I hate it when the game is on the line.

Chocolate Ginobili :Nenad owes me gas money and a PikePass refund after that rebounding performance. I don’t drive in from Tulsa to see a starting center pull down 2 boards. He’s lucky my ticket was free. Couldn’t Mullens not rebound and shoot jumpshots just as well?
As for my man CG, he needs to keep popping 3s and stop driving to the bucket with his WNBA hops.

Cosign... Harden needs to stay the hell away from the rim unless he wants to carry around a step ladder. I've never seen someone get blocked at the rim so much.

@Williamfh

"Everybody" doesn't hate Jeff Green.

Of the people who are most critical of him, they don't see him as a good fit for this team because he's a natural 3 playing out of his depth at the 4. The people who throw him out there as trade bait are doing so because they know he's a good player and has some actual value. In their mind, arguably more value to another team than he has for ours.

Whether or not you agree with that position, it's going to be very difficult for us to keep our top prospects (JG, KD, RW) AND get a center who can score, defend, rebound and save souls. Lopsided deals don't come around every day, and while I'm sure Presti would jump on such an offer should it arise, he can't manufacture one. We just have to get lucky and have one show up. The more likely scenario involves us giving something up to get something.

The DON :As tiring as the complaining may be, I’d say whats even more annoying is that when we try to have a discussion after a loss and figure out why we were unable to win, we are constantly told that this passes for complaining and that we should shut up and enjoy the season overall. That’s what these game threads are for: to talk about the particular game at hand. And if that game is lost, the natural thing for us to talk about is why it happened and what we could’ve done different.
How in the heck is that complaining or being spoiled or not appreciating our overall success this year?

Great post, my man. :-)

@Anonymous
Sorry that was me.

Single Game Statistical Plus/Minus for this game:

Chicago:
Player SPM %Min Points
Joakim Noah 21.7 57% 11.5
Brad Miller 7.3 43% 2.9
Derrick Rose 1.3 77% 0.9
Kirk Hinrich 0.5 77% 0.4
Tyrus Thomas -0.5 39% -0.2
John Salmons -1.2 46% -0.5
James Johnson -22.2 11% -2.2
Luol Deng -3.6 77% -2.6
Taj Gibson -4.9 74% -3.4

OKC:
Player SPM %Min Points
Kevin Durant 15.2 84% 11.9
Jeff Green 2.3 90% 1.9
Eric Maynor 0.2 36% 0.1
Nick Collison 0.0 44% 0.0
Thabo Sefolosha -2.3 70% -1.5
Nenad Krstic -10.7 37% -3.7
James Harden -10.8 39% -3.9
Serge Ibaka -16.1 36% -5.4
Russell Westbrook -9.3 64% -5.6

Explanation: SPM is the statistical plus/minus (adjusted so that the players total to the point margin, adjusted for home court advantage). Minutes is the percentage of minutes played. Points is the actual points contributed in this game (SPM*Min%*poss/100).

Kevin Durant played a brilliant game--an efficient 28 (shooting 15 FTs will do that for you), 11 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks, and only 4 turnovers.

Ibaka and Westbrook played bad games, offsetting the KD show. Ibaka only managed 4 points and 5 rebounds in his time--the inefficient shooting and 1 turnover count against the 2 blocks and 3 ORBs. Westbrook had just 10 points and 2 rebounds, with his 7 assists offset by his 4 turnovers.

For Chicago, Noah dominated: an efficient 13 points, 11 rebounds, 2 assists, 4 steals, and 2 blocks to only 1 turnover--all in just 27 minutes.

As tiring as the complaining may be, I'd say whats even more annoying is that when we try to have a discussion after a loss and figure out why we were unable to win, we are constantly told that this passes for complaining and that we should shut up and enjoy the season overall. That's what these game threads are for: to talk about the particular game at hand. And if that game is lost, the natural thing for us to talk about is why it happened and what we could've done different.

How in the heck is that complaining or being spoiled or not appreciating our overall success this year?

Green went 7-12 for 2 pointers. What happened this off-season to make him decide to take fewer shots per game overall, but attempt more 3-point shots than last year?

I think this will be the turning point of the season. If OKC doesn't release the pressure off of Durants scoring abilities there will be no space for many mistakes. But that's what this young team needs, it needs to make mistakes. A good example is the lack of support of Thabo Sefolosha as a 3 pointer.. if he never gets the pass outside he hasn't the possibilty to improve his 3 point shootuing and will never be a release for Durant at the perimeter. The same for Westbrook.. let him score in the fourth quarter..

Greetings from Zürich, Switzerland :-)

Hi there i'm fan of OKC from thailand .nice to meet you guy
i knew you very big fan of this team and really feel bad because we lost again and again....you know what i'm very proud of this new team.. i just new in NBA and this is just my third year i'm see NBA on TV and i love it i'm try to find some team for me .what team i love what team is suit for me....i asked myself what team i need to cheer ...i love to see LA laker played the most but not love this team..they are perfect

but for last 2-3 year i don't know a reason i really love OKC the most and more than another team in NBA ,i read news of OKC every single day ,every rumor ,what is next year we will get young talent?

Kelvin Durant: he is the best pick for OKC ,every team jelious us ,just afew games he play bad that all ,so what?...take a look all half season long who is better than him?? i think just lebron and kobi and carmelo that all....don't think about trade KD for other team.

Jeff green i don't know why you guy hate him alot..
07-08 :reb4.8 Pt 10.5
IF we change stat 08-09 and 09-10
08-09 :reb6.1 Pt 14.0
09-10 :reb6.6 Pt 16.5
all OKC fan wil say wooow he very improve this year.. it just a little bit low because his 3 point is low that all. he still improve it again ,be patience .

come on guys keep this young core together i think KD ,RW ,JG and Harden will show you how to win in final minute and..next year i'm afraid we will be in top4-5 ...jame harden looking good i wish brook will give him 30 minute plus he can do average 15.Pt/game

please be patience OKC it the best improve and youngest in the league ,we just unlucky lost 1 or 2 point ...let's them learn how to win the game on last minute this yea just be on top8 is good enough for us but next year i thin is OKC gold year

KD,JG,RW it young core .are you sure john wall will be suit us? or better than RW ?? and look at our bench is very good too wooow this team is really good....

in my opinion we really need CENTER,we dare to trade a good center no matter what we have to pay in this FEB .just pay it,just find only ones experience of rebounder and give you 20PT per game . i love bosh and al jefferson or talbeet or we should be trade our 2 first round pick and nenard and collinson or do something to get real CENTER ,

.........our bench is good enough not put young talent in roster this year .we must trade our 2 first round pick with nenard or nick or DJ to rebounder and good defender....the only i can see is hasheem thabheet is happen he is monster.i sure memphis will keep gasol in no.1 center.we have a chance to get him

..i'm so shame we not get him this season or tyreke evans both of them is really suite with this team

OKC the only ones i love

come on guys just deep breath.anything can happen!!! this team is rock i knew you guys is bigger fan of OKC than me but i'm really love to see how they grow up together .

I probably should draw more attention to bringing in an old-timer but still legit performing PG to run the show with the kids.

Just happened to notice that the Thunder offense right now is a lot like Atlanta's was in 2007-8. Slow pace, weak shooting, very high turnovers but strong at offensive rebounding and getting to the line. What changed to get them to where they are right now? Which is 9th best shooting, lowest turnovers, strong at offensive rebounding but now weak on getting to the line? Probably growing up, the coaching improving and/ or getting better implemented, getting Bibby then Crawford... and moving from 27th on team 3 pt makes to 14th probably helped some too. Less dangerous passing, bigger payoffs- that helps the two biggest problem areas of eFG% and turnover rate.

@Vince Vince, thank you for a voice of reason.. sheesh, guys, spoiled much? we've been beating good teams and hanging with great teams on the road.. we're vastly improved.. we play hard and hustle and give great effort every single night.. we lost to a pretty good team that is playing really well right now, and all their shots were falling tonight.. guess what? those guys are paid professionals too.. their shots fell cause they were shooting out of their minds, and ours were bouncing out.. sometimes, you just have one of those nights, and we had one tonight.. even the elite teams get beaten by double digits to inferior opponents.. the sky is not falling, people.. everything is still pretty great in Thunderland..

something that Royce said that i completely agree with though-- why the heck did Russ play so little tonight?? he's obviously our 2nd best scoring option behind KD and he was playing well.. i kept looking at the clock and couldn't believe he wasn't coming back in.. and it's not like Maynor was tearing it up out there.. just really weird..

Nenad owes me gas money and a PikePass refund after that rebounding performance. I don't drive in from Tulsa to see a starting center pull down 2 boards. He's lucky my ticket was free. Couldn't Mullens not rebound and shoot jumpshots just as well?

As for my man CG, he needs to keep popping 3s and stop driving to the bucket with his WNBA hops.

@Vince
Well done Vince. All offseason we preached 'round these parts that the shot-blocking big man shouldn't necessarily be a top priority because the offense was bad last year.

James Harden was drafted to help that. I think he has at times, but he just needs to settle in and figure out how to score without taking away from the other guys. It's a hard thing to do, but I think the Thunder really needs 12-15 a night from him.

OK, everybody. Deep breath. We lost (at home, granted) to a decent team. We scored 42 points in 32 minutes (I think) from the end of the first to mid/late 4th. That's not going to happen very often. Did the Thunder stink tonight? Yeah. Have that played that poorly in a while? No.

I mean, really. Relax. This wasn't an effort thing (we played hard and the defense wasn't awful). This wasn't a focus thing (we didn't play sloppy, 14 turnovers is better-than-average for us). We just didn't play well, from 1 to 9. These games happen. I think we're getting a bit spoiled and forgetting that 12 months ago these games happened a heckuva lot more often.

That said, I do think this points out that the problem with this team going forward is OFFENSE, not defense. Our top priority is not a shot-blocking 7-footer, no matter how little this team looks at first appearance like a dominant defensive unit. Our top priority is a legit, consistent scoring option. Heck, if we're a decent defensive/rebounding team with Krstic playing 25 minutes a game (how does a 7-foot guy not have eight rebounds a game solely by accident?) then we'll be fine with most anyone who can give KD some consistent help on the other end.

@Vega

I think presti can do better than those players. I would've been all over biedrins before but this season, post-injury, he looks like a shell of his former self and I wouldn't take a risk on him since there's no guarantee he will ever get back to his old form

I mean KD had a semi-decent looking stat line, but he actually played terrible and never did anything during the stretches and moments where the game was being decided. Those crucial momentum changing moments where if only he had come through the momentum and the energy might've swung in our favor are where KD was invisible in. He just padded his stats towards the end when the game was out of reach.

Can someone please explain how a starting center can play so bad on a consistent basis and keep his starting job when there is a budding young prospect waiting in the wings? Sure, Krstic plays the occasional good game, but those are so few and far between that they are almost negligible.

I'm going to take the optimistic route and hope that this is a sign that Presti will soon do a trade for Andris Biedrins or Robin Lopez, and he simply doesn't want Ibaka to get used to starting, only to return to the bench when the trade occurs.

Can somebody explain to me how KD played horrible it was russ and the rest that played like s*** and youre right derrick rose abussed him like he did last year oh and my bad green finally had a good game

@Jax Raging Bile Duct

I disagree, KD and Russ did not play well enough at all (nevermind KD's stats, he player very poorly). Only green played well.

We didn't win tonight because our main guys laid an egg. Our supporting cast is just that, and on a night like this, they had nothing to support. The main guys (KD, Russ, Green) are the pillars and the supporting cast plays around them. When that pillar is not holding up, there's nothing for the supporting cast to support. You are then asking the supporting cast to play the role of the pillars and carry you. Thats what the stars are supposed to do, and our stars did not do that. KD played very mediocre at best and Russ was essentially humiliated by Rose

@The DON
Not sure what team takes the other end of that deal, tbh.

@The DON
Anyone would do it, but it would never happen.. This is the "John Wall Lottery for a reason.. We could maybe trade KD for him haha..

Would anyone here trade Russ + pick + kristic for John Wall + filler ( a solid veteran contributor)?

a royce think about it compar all four players togehther and u tell me who can play better offense and defense and let me know please

Whew! That was brutal.

Unfocused. Jeff, KD and Russell played well enough. Jeff had one of his better games.

The supporting cast just didn't do enough. Some nights, when the other team is hitting bad shots at a good rate, it's just tough. Nights like this is where your offense has to step up and help when your defense isn't winning it for you.

I'm glad you brought up the shots at the rim Royce. All of ours bounced around every inch of the rim before going out, and yet somehow Brad Millers 3 pointer hits 42 corners of the rim and backboard before falling in.

Rose has a killer midrange jumpshot. That dunk on Thabo at the end of the game was fierce. Rose had an agenda tonight.

Back to the drawing board folks. Gotta find a way to win when you can't get any production from your center position.

Vega :Get Krstic out of here.

No kidding.

What does anybody think of trading russell and nenad and some expirings and probaly a draft pick for stephen curry and andries because stephen curry is the only point gaurd that ive seen shutdown D Rose and he can shot threes like itsnobodies business and andries had a career high ten blocks against the bulls so anybody?

The Marshall vs. Memphis game is being replayed on Comcast at ten. I will have to try to see what the hype is all about with Whiteside.

Commentors on Alabi felt he would be better served staying in school. Didn't watch a ton of the game. But from what I saw, he had some good plays and some bad. Pretty decent defender and rebounder. Project

If I'm not mistaking, Jeff was guarding Deng a lot in the game...correct me if I'm wrong.

I didn't think that Taj Gibson would be as productive of an NBA player as he has been so far.

James Johnson played against the high school I work at. He reminded me of a Carmelo Anthony type of player. He was playing point and hitting threes all night at about 6'9". Not so much anymore.

The bulls fans on one of their boards were calling for rose to humiliate RW after that last game, and he gave them just what they asked for

KD had the most irrelevant, horrific 28pts I have ever witnessed

Our offense is a tragedy

So on and so forth......