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Tuesday Bolts – 12.8.09

Kevin Durant talking about his adjustment: ”It’s tough to play against little guards,” Durant said. “Since I’m so tall, thunderbolt23they get under me when I dribble. Coming out (in the second half), I wanted to do something else. My shot wasn’t going the first half … I got a few assists early on, and that led to some points for me as well. People think it’s easy (going against small guards), that I’m going to score a lot of points. But it’s tough. Those guys get after it. They have quick hands. That’s something I have to get used to.”

An interesting OTL piece on the decline of white basketball players. Oklahoma City has its quota with Nick Collison. If it brings up Byron Mullens, well, we’re stacked then.

Jenni Carlson on the Thunder unsung hero: “Jeff Green sauntered across the deserted Ford Center court, headed to a post-game dinner with a legend. George Gervin sauntered along beside him. The Hall of Famer is a mentor to the Thunder swingman. Because of an NBA program that pairs former stars to future ones, Gervin hooked up with Green and Kevin Durant. Note that conjunction: Durant and Green. With Durant getting so much national hype — deemed “The Next” by ESPN The Magazine last week, scheduled to appear on “Jim Rome Is Burning” soon — it’s sometimes easy to forget that Green is also a star in the making.”

An absolute must-read. Henry Abbott explores Tim Donaghy’s accusations: “It’s not hard to find examples when Donaghy was wrong. Bavetta has refereed plenty of blowouts. In January 2004, for instance, the Kings were seven-point favorites over the Suns, but won by 20. The next month, the Rockets were nine-point favorites over the Hawks, and won by 21. In January 2005, the Suns were favored by eight and won by 18. That same year, the Bulls won a Bavetta game by 40 when they were favored by nine, and the Pistons laid a 25-point beating on the Bobcats when they were favored to win by seven. A few months later, the Pistons, favored by seven, beat the Pacers by 25.”

OKC is up another spot in Stein’s power rankings: “As if Blazermaniacs weren’t suffering enough after Oden’s latest setback, this haunting tidbit circulated late Friday: Durant just became the second-youngest player in history to get to 4,000 points, behind LeBron.”

Sitting still on SI: “No doubt OKC is going to be a team to reckoned with down the road, but it keeps coming up short in big moments. The Thunder has dropped two games to the Lakers and one apiece to Orlando (who they did beat at home earlier this season) and Boston, the latter an 18-point pounding at the Ford Center last week. Kevin Durant put up 36 points against the stingy Celtics D — if only the rest of his teammates could catch up.”

Dime has OKC at 13: “Everybody knows Kevin Durant will get buckets, but how about the defense? On Monday they had the Warriors stuck in the 70s well into the fourth quarter.”

NBA.com: “The Thunder are in the midst of a stretch where they play only three games in 11 days. They struggled defensively in their two games this week, but earned a split by playing their best offensive game of the season (117 points on 92 possessions) against Philly.”

Interesting note about the Warriors from Darnell Mayberry: “Center Mikki Moore, on one possession, adamantly argued a personal foul call, what would have been his third. He never showed that he cared that when the ref changed the call it wound up being Stephen Curry’s fourth foul and made the more important player sit. Later, Moore looked truly ticked when Anthony Randolph snared a board away from him in the second half. And then there was guard Monta Ellis, who took 28 shots, had nine turnovers, two assists and the nerve to still callously clap his hands to demand the ball from his teammates — only one of which had more than nine field-goal attempts.”

BDL Behind the Box Score: ”Kevin Durant’s presence aides in this misconception, but by and large I think people just figure that young teams with rotations they aren’t familiar with will just naturally be a run-and-gun offensive team. The Thunder are not. And, defensively, they’ll bust you. And if you’re pretty good offensively, they’ll focus on every “you” besides your best scorer. And that’s what happened on Monday.”

Steve Aschburner for NBA.com lists his surprises through the first six weeks: “Kevin Durant’s ascension: Durant has scored 30 points or more eight times and has finished with fewer than 20 in a game only three times, twisting the knife a little more each night into fans in Portland, whose team could have had the talented Oklahoma City forward in 2007.” Really? That’s a surprise? 

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Love the new banner! When you first posted that there was a new banner, something was wrong b/c I couldn't see it but this is a really good change and I thought you should know.

@DizzyDai
You're forgetting the Pacers with Mike Dunleavy, Travis Diener, Tyler Hansbrough, Jeff Foster, Troy Murphy, and Josh McRoberts. That is a curious number of white guys for an NBA team. Legacy of the palace brawl right there.

anything can happen, trades, injuries, i mean tomorrow kobe, odom, gasol and bynum could get in a car accident and the lakers become horrible

@DSMok1

I realize that. I meant to insinuate that his formula would be much more accurate 6 weeks from now.

Of course, my assumption being that we'll be fortunate to finish the year .500

@Jax Raging Bile Duct

Since those rankings are based on purely what has happened this season, it is entirely reasonable. Now, if you had some prior/outside information, the numbers would be different.

the playoff odds are stat based, so reality vs stats might be quite a bit different, also injuries happen, look at the blazers and rockets or suns last year, this year injuries have given us wins

@Danny

True,

but look at the other teams (in Hollingers eyes) who will be in.
San Anton - We had their number last year and I wouldn't bet against us in a series with em
Houston - They have got us twice, but we played really poor at least once
Utah - We beat em by 10 in our only meeting.
Dallas - We haven't played, but soon
Phoenix - same as Dallas, but if Thunder control the tempo they are in a good spot
Denver - haven't played either
LA - one OT game and one not so close game

With the way the Thunder give a game take a game, a series could go either way with any team in the NBA. Not at all saying they will even make the playoffs, but OKC is a team you don't want to slouch on.

i think most people agree that harden should start, but i dont think he will start in the next few months probably not this season

He projects 48 wins for us. I think he should have waited till the end of January before he released this.

@justin
Hold on a sec, justin...we're both in agreement that Harden should start and Thabo should rotate in at SG and SF?

--looks around--

Where am I?

On a more serious note: If after the month of December, Hollinger's odds still have the Thunder as an 80% playoff team, then I'll start really believing, otherwise, it's still only a quarter-way into the season. Lot of basketball left.

@Colin
I like seeing that, but it's too early in the season for those numbers to mean anything. I still think that Utah, San Antonio, Houston and Portland are better than we are.

@dirkdajerk

Yeah.

It also says that the Thunder have a 1 in 20 chance of being Champs. And, well, I'm just not very sure about that..

@jf
The report was about White American players.

Either that or bring Harden in earlier and rotate him in like the Spurs do with Manu Ginobili.

Jerryd Bayless isn't very good. I think unless we're legitimately in the playoff hunt at the trade deadline Nick Collison will be traded for an expiring to save money next season. He can get more than Jerryd Bayless.

The problem is there's nowhere for Bayless to really play. Would he be the backup point guard? He's like RW, not a true point. Seems silly to have him on the team.

I agree with kev that James Harden should be inserted into the starting lineup soon. Thabo can still get his minutes off the bench at SG and SF. Even though Thabo is a great defender we're losing out on more points on the offensive end with him starting than we save on the defensive end.

GAP :Also, I think it Webster who guarded KD in our last meeting, but correct me if i’m wrong. Bayless comes in from the Portland bench and lights it up. Was it not last thread that some were talking about a pg that can knock down the 3 pointers.

Um, GAP, have you seen Bayless's 3 pt %?

16.7% this year and 24.2% on his career is not a PG that can knock down 3 pointers.

Though Bayless does score in bunches, that's really all he can do. And at 6'3, he's not a prototypical SG at all. And without the three ball, I'm not seeing what value he really adds...to be honest.

@f5alcon
The problem is that sooner or later (if not already), the value that Harden brings to the team as a starter, both offensively and yes, even defensively since he has improved, dwarfs the one-sided value that Thabo can bring as a starter. In fact, it is pretty clear that without a star scorer to shut down for long stretches, Thabo is a detriment to the team's offensive efficiency and Harden's shooting, creativity and playmaking skills make all the difference in the world for the Thunder's offensive efficiency need.

I'm not going to say Thabo would be worthless off the bench, but his value would be diminished UNLESS he can find time at the 3 on the floor with Harden at the 2, thereby giving Durant some rest and still giving Thabo the 25-30 min a night he needs to really impact a game.

Also, I think it Webster who guarded KD in our last meeting, but correct me if i'm wrong. Bayless comes in from the Portland bench and lights it up. Was it not last thread that some were talking about a pg that can knock down the 3 pointers.

@kev
I'll all about agreeing to disagree, but you can't deny that Presti is gonna get rid of him either at the trade deadline or next summer anyway. We have too many draft picks and we're taking another big in that draft, I guess we're gonna keep stacking up bigs just for kicks. Oh well, it seems to me that Presti is getting rid of every pick that wasn't his in the first place.

dylan :Collison can get back to the pacific NW after his contract his out. I love what he brings to our bench.

amen . . .

GAP :@kev “Even if Collison is only here for this year, he’s still a productive player that we have for this year, and I am grateful for that”
I’m sorry, I thought we were trying to build a constant winner, not have players for a year and be grateful.

you're kidding right . . .

we are winning right NOW - you don't have to consistently build . . .

Collison is a KNOWN commodity, he's limited, but you know what you have from him - Bayless, even for all his promise, is an unknown, at this point he's another combo guard that isnt really a point - he adds shooting , but I dont think he would like coming off the bench . . . and Webster doesnt play good defense - adding those two would not make us consistent winners . . .

I'm all about trading to improve the team - it's just that your particular trade doesn't do that IMO . . .

What would keep every possession from being reviewed? You know there are multiple fouls on every possession that players and refs ignore because they don't actually affect the play.

When there are a few seconds left in the game, the refs only call the most blatant fouls. This is accepted by nearly everyone. If that isn't paying the rules lip service, then nothing is.

Can you imagine that situation being reviewed?

It just wouldn't ever work.

Collison can get back to the pacific NW after his contract his out. I love what he brings to our bench.

Collison isnt a FA so i dont see why he wouldnt be here next year.

I dont see thabo coming off the bench, he has no use besides defending the other teams best wing player, if harden is good enough to do that thabo is not needed on the team as much.

@kev
"Even if Collison is only here for this year, he’s still a productive player that we have for this year, and I am grateful for that"

I'm sorry, I thought we were trying to build a constant winner, not have players for a year and be grateful.

GAP :

kev :to elaborate, right now we don’t even have enough time for Harden . . . Harden should really be starting right now anyway, his defense has been very good this year, and that would help our offense alot in the beginning of games . . . it’s Time to bring Thabo off the bench . . .

Which is what inspired this whole subject for me. With Thabo coming off the bench, we would be hard pressed to find any perimeter offense at all.

now that's a good point, I was thinking about that this morning . . .

still, Bayless probably think he's a starter, so he would probably be unhappy here as well . ..

@GAP

him wanting out doesn't really change anything . . .

kev :to elaborate, right now we don’t even have enough time for Harden . . . Harden should really be starting right now anyway, his defense has been very good this year, and that would help our offense alot in the beginning of games . . . it’s Time to bring Thabo off the bench . . .

Which is what inspired this whole subject for me. With Thabo coming off the bench, we would be hard pressed to find any perimeter offense at all.

GAP :@kev
Westbrook isn’t really a PG, but everyone loves him. Bayless has good range on his shots and can atleast knock em down and so does Webster. We all back Russel and he can’t shoot a bear in a closet. You’re right about Collison playing good D last night, but is he gonna be apart of this team long term….I think not.

I don't love Westbrook - he has improved, but he still has issues - if Bayless was any good, then he would play ahead of Blake, who is decent at best . . .

I don't know what "long-term means" . . . just because a guy is old, that doesn't mean he's not useful . . . he is a great defensive player, we have him, why get rid of that just so Serge (or Mullens) gets gametime - they have to earn it! It shouldnt be given to them - it's not like Collison is taking up space . . . Even if Collison is only here for this year, he's still a productive player that we have for this year, and I am grateful for that . . .

@kev
Read the story, Bayless wants out anyway.

@kev

Westbrook isn't really a PG, but everyone loves him. Bayless has good range on his shots and can atleast knock em down and so does Webster. We all back Russel and he can't shoot a bear in a closet. You're right about Collison playing good D last night, but is he gonna be apart of this team long term....I think not.

GAP, they didn't have Oden last year and they did okay - why give up two young players for Collison - makes no sense to me . . .

The Magic must have the largest amount of white americans with Redick, Williams, and Ryan Anderson.

to elaborate, right now we don't even have enough time for Harden . . . Harden should really be starting right now anyway, his defense has been very good this year, and that would help our offense alot in the beginning of games . . . it's Time to bring Thabo off the bench . . .

@f5alcon
Oh, but you're getting not only Bayless, you're getting a sweet shooting Martel Webster too. They both have experience playing in the league, also could be really good with more minutes than they're getting in Portland. We could trade some of our pick and use them on a solid big in the middle.

GAP :@kev Because we need more room for the younger bigs and Nick isn’t gonna be here for the future or even after this season anyway. Why not shore up our bench with more potent scorers, while adding another pg to boot?

so you're going to add bayless just so he can play 15 minutes a game?? IMO Collison has proved that he is an integral part of the defensive scheme - there was a reason that Ibaka was glued to the pine last night - Collison was excellent defensively, meanwhile you add a guy that is probably not really a point guard . . .

@kev
Because we need more room for the younger bigs and Nick isn't gonna be here for the future or even after this season anyway. Why not shore up our bench with more potent scorers, while adding another pg to boot?

i dunno if id want to give up collison for bayless, he isnt any better then weaver.

GAP :http://www.dwightjaynes.com/does-jerryd-bayless-wa... here, that Bayless could be up for grabs because he doesn’t like his playing time he’s been getting. Remember when everybody including me thought we could take him in the draft in 2007? Well we could get him anyway for Collison.
Mind you I checked the trade machine on espn and came up with a package from Portland that could boost our bench points. Collison for Bayless and Webster. Now before anyone says why would Portland do that? Remember they just lost Oden for the season and that would be the perfect chance for Collison to get back to the pacific NW and closer to his home in Seattle.

why would we do that is the question . . .

Replay adds more timeouts, so more commercials means more revenue for the league and teams. Id rather have the flow be worse but the calls be right.

http://www.dwightjaynes.com/does-jerryd-bayless-wa...-
Says here, that Bayless could be up for grabs because he doesn't like his playing time he's been getting. Remember when everybody including me thought we could take him in the draft in 2007? Well we could get him anyway for Collison.

Mind you I checked the trade machine on espn and came up with a package from Portland that could boost our bench points. Collison for Bayless and Webster. Now before anyone says why would Portland do that? Remember they just lost Oden for the season and that would be the perfect chance for Collison to get back to the pacific NW and closer to his home in Seattle.

@f5alcon@Keith
I don't know, most NBA games take about 2-2.5 hours, but the number of questionable calls possibly reviewed could easily add another 10-20 minutes, messing with tempo.

I have a feeling that coaches challenges might hurt OKC rather than help. I'm home biased but still feel like we get away with calls when we're up against teams without notorious stars (Kobe,Wade,etc.) But yes it would be funny to see how wrong refs can be.

replay slows up the games already, especially when a lot of the time it's clear what happened on the field, and in the last two minutes they replay any marginal call . . .

it takes away from the flow of the game - I'd say one a game regardless of the time and score . . .

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it would be horrible for basketball games . . .

replay would help a lot, id rather have it like college football though where every play gets reviewed by an offcourt official, the game is too fast to get everything or fouls overturned, but things like possession on out of bounds, who to assign a foul to, could all be reviewed better.

Does anyone think it would be hilariously sad to give coaches 2 challenges, like in football. The game is being stopped for timeouts and commercials all the time anyway, wouldn't it just be great for announcers and tv people to bring up the tape saying, "And now Brooks is challenging the play, saying Wade traveled. Let's look at it now. And there he goes, picks up his dribble. OK he's moving down the lane and one, two, oh gosh, three, four steps. Yeah, they're going to have to call that a travel."

How awesome would it be, twice a game, to see some blatantly terrible call get overturned?

@J-Mo
I'm almost certain Harden will be there.

The Thunder could be very well represented at All-Star Weekend. Russ and Harden in the Rook/Soph game. KD in the HORSE and All-Star game. And potentiall Russ in the dunk contest. Cool.

f5alcon :

GAP :Another white guy, who knows we could become the next “America’s Team”

or just become Team america: world police with durant as a superhero

ROFL!!!