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Thunder at Lakers: Pregame Primer

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Oklahoma City Thunder (13-13, 6-6 road) at L.A. Lakers (22-4, 15-2 home)

TV: NBATV (Cox 256, HD 726); FS Oklahoma (Cox 37, HD 722, Tulsa Cox 27, DirectTV 679, UVerse 753)
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Radio: WWLS The Sports Animal (98.1 FM, 640 AM, 97.1 FM Tulsa)
Time: 9:30 CST

Offensive Rating: Thunder – 105.3 (21st), Lakers – 107.8 (14th)
Defensive Rating: Thunder – 104.1 (7th), Lakers – 98.7 (1sr)
Pace: Thunder – 91.7 (21tst), Lakers – 94.6 (8th)

View from the enemy: Forum Blue and Gold

Being a slightly blinded fan is weird. On one hand, you’re completely realistic. You know when your team should win, you ALWAYS fear they will lose, but you often know when they’ll lose. But you also always have this small part of you that plays the “What If?” game. We all do it. What if Kevin Durant gets hot? What if Kobe is off? What if Russell Westbrook breaks out? What if the Lakers are flat? And on and on.

But you know what? Put all those things together and the Lakers are winning this game. Kobe could be off, Durant could get 50, Westbrook could play awesome and L.A. could mail it in. They’ll win. They’re that good. And Oklahoma City isn’t a pushover squad where someone can play poorly and still beat them. But with the Lakers, I think they can. The Thunder has to be perfect, absolutely perfect, to have a chance. This game at the Ford Center? I don’t hate OKC’s chances. At Staples? Ehhhh.

Los Angeles coming in has won four straight, most previously having lose to Utah. Before that, LA had won 11 in a row, so that’s 15 of 16 right now for the Lakers. Pau Gasol is back, so right now the Lakers are at full strength.

THE MATCHUPS
I just don’t know how anyone can match LA inside. With Gasol back, him and Andrew Bynum are near impossible to control. Especially for an undersized team like OKC. Part of me wonders if the Thunder should just go small from the beginning and try to out-quick LA on the block. Maybe get one or both in foul trouble. Nenad Krstic hasn’t been playing all that awesome anyway, so maybe a heavy dose of Serge Ibaka and Nick Collison at the five is a good idea, as well as maybe going with a four guard/forward lineup with Livingston, Westbrook, Harden, Durant and Green. Obviously OKC would get obliterated inside, but how do you realistically match up there anyway?

Kevin Durant has been off lately and he’s not going to get any break as Ron Artest comes calling again. Artest always gives KD some trouble mainly because Artest bullies and gets under and inside Durant. Thabo will obviously guard Kobe, but the question is how much? It’s going to be tough for the Thunder to score with the Lakers so one might think James Harden would get early burn, and Scott Brooks to just try and score with LA.

OKC has an advantage with their bench, but when the Lakers starting five is as good as it is, the bench doesn’t really matter. They could have Earl Watson and a game hen coming off the pine and they’d be fine. The goal tonight is you want to be competitive, you want to have at least an opportunity to win in the fourth. We all know what the final result will likely be, but still, what if?

Tip at 9:30. Go What If.

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Watching that last play a couple of times, I think it was a busted screen assignment. Russell had the ball on the left side, and both Jeff Green AND Serge Ibaka looked like they were trying to set up to screen on the high side, but neither man was properly positioned and didn't end up screening anyone. It looked like the play broke down from there, and James didn't attempt to get the ball, rather choosing to stand at basically half court waiting for someone else to do something.

Once the play was busted, there wasn't a good option left, and no timeouts, so at least Russell had a good look. It wasn't a winning play, but I don't see it as Russell going into hero mode like some of you do.

I think KD had one of his better games against the Lakers. He finally took it to Artest moreso than he has in the past. Hopefully this will give him even more confidence for the next time.

And I don't mind Serge taking open 10 foot jumpers. First of all, if you have an open shot, you take it. Open shots are rare. Serge has been hitting those - he's shooting a very nice percentage so far this year.

kev you ful of yourself bro... get over yourself

@nick

There aren't many players like that in the league, but at least Wood finishes. He's got got great hands and doesn't turn over the ball a lot.

Remember that pass to Krstic that Russ got called for the T on after he threw the ball? That's a 100% and 1 for Brendan Haywood.

@justin
Haha, Haywood is a decent player, but he's not a post scorer. From what I understand, he just rebounds and finishes. You can't throw him the ball and run anything through him.

Yeah, there were definitely some mistakes. Hopefully the coaches can convince Serge to consider an option other than shooting whenever he get the ball inside about 15 feet. But for how young he is, I'm happy with how he played tonight. He was certainly better than Krstic and Collison. Count me among those that think Thomas should have gotten some burn tonight. He could have provided some physicality that we desperately needed against Gasol and Bynum.
You can't blame the refs for a loss. I thought they were terrible too, but we had more than enough chances to win that game that we simply did not seize.
As for the final play, it looked like Russ pretty quickly decided to eschew any play other than "iso and pull up for 3". I think he wanted to be the hero, and maybe even thought he deserved to be given how he played tonight. But I think he needed to make an effort to find Harden. I think it will still an immature play.
That being said, he played quite well tonight. If he plays like that more often, the playoffs really are a possibility.

It's a good game overall I think. KD kind of stand up on Artest this time. I remember he always had problem with Artest guarding him but he was being very aggressive with him and didn't let Artest bullying him much. Well, that's why he also got some of the "funny" fouls? I had a feeling that KD was going to be bad at turnover tonight since Lakers is a good team and one on one defensive team. Especially the ones that taking turn to guard KD (Bryant and Artest).
Westbrook did great tonight overall. The only thing I wasn't too impress about was 12 assists in the first half and only 1 assist in the sec half (I could be off on this part)... I just wish he played the 2nd half like he did in the first half. That's just like as usual, whenever he think about scoring first then Thunder usually end up with the lost. The last shot? Well, KD was gone so I wasn't surprised Westbrook jacked it up at the end...

Chris Webber "This could be a very interesting match up in round one. #8 vs #1" - NBA TV

R.E.S.P.E.C.T.!

@Keith

Matt Harpring + 1st round picks for Brendan Haywood :)

Despite the fact that the Lakers' superior front line didn't demolish us, games like this make me realize just how much we need a low post, scoring big man. We just do not make offensive possessions easy for ourselves, and with everyone so young we make a lot of ill-advised decisions. Put a Gasol or Bynum on this team and suddenly there is an outlet instead of a long jumper, there is a 50% shot waiting to happen, allowing for easier decisions. How many possessions do we waste simply because our guys don't know where the easiest shot is?

@Anonymous

These are basic things. I don't blame Ibaka for it, really, since he is a rookie and he's definitely still learning. It's still frustrating, though.

These are trends, also. Problems that have existed all year. They aren't happening as much and we went through a large portion of the game playing very solid on offense making decent decisions. So it is improving. Making those errors in crunch time.. you can't do that.

As they say it is not the dog in the fight but the fight in the dog and if they fight this hard, there are nothing but blue skies ahead!

Well, I'm sad we lost. But I'm happy that I got to see Westbrook elbow the shit out of Kobe and get the foul.

justin :@Kev
That’s why I said some things I liked, too.
Oh I also did not like that Etan Thomas did not play in this game; perfect game for him especially when Nick and Krstic were playing so badly.

I thought Etan would play , but Brooks is stubborn . . .

@Kev

That's why I said some things I liked, too. :)

Oh I also did not like that Etan Thomas did not play in this game; perfect game for him especially when Nick and Krstic were playing so badly.

justin :@clarkem
Huh..?

he is criticizing you for supposedly being overly crtical . . .

Keith :I don’t fault Westbrook for taking the only shot available at that time. I do, however, fault Brooks for drawing up an apparently easily sniffed out play and not starting the ball in the hands of a three point shooter. This would have been the perfect time to let Harden run to play. He’s a significant three point threat and has the best vision of our players.
Come on, Brooks, we can’t keep running the same “give it to Durant/Green/Westbrook and let them play one-on-five” play at the end of every close game.

you're making too much sense here . . .

please stop . . .

justin : I’m just a stickler when it comes to basic decision making..

give that man a star . . .

Taz-Maniac :

Kev :

nick :Dammit Russ. Why? We could have gotten a better shot than that. He played so so so well and then makes that decision.

did anyone in here actually think that RW WASN’T going to take that???
No we didn’t, but Tonight the good outweighed the bad and I think that Kobe and the Lakers don’t really like playing the Thunder and I am good with that!
On national TV, we were within 30 seconds and could have sent the champs to OT for the second time this year! I am good with the effort and can say I love this team!Anyone??

what he said . . .

I'm really, really annoyed by the Ibaka jump shot on the base line, Ibaka put back attempt, and Sefolosha three. If one of those possessions end up scoring possessions we probably win.

On the other hand, it's encouraging seeing Westbrook hit those jump shots. It was great seeing Ibaka be active (even if he was dumb). James Harden had some nice minutes. Kevin Durant was effective on offense, Jeff Green played one good half at least. We didn't fold when they built up an 11 point fourth quarter lead. There were definitely good things to see in this game, and our bench gets better when Maynor arrives.

I'm just a stickler when it comes to basic decision making..

grant phillips :

Kev :

dylan :All I’m going to say is that if you don’t think the refs cost us AT LEAST 3 points tonight, you’re a fool.The last shot by westbrook wasn’t bad. The Lakers blew our play up and he had to go one on one.

I’m a fool then . . .WE lost the game – see any one of my previous five posts for confirmation . . .we are on the ROAD against the CHAMPS – like Reggie Miller said a long time ago, if you want to beat the champs, no TKOS! – you have to knock them out !!!!

Kev you cant be serious… you say some good things on here but your view on this game is like a FOOL…

refs will make mistakes - after all they are human . . .

and again, we are on the road . . . do you really expect to get the benefit of doubt on calls??

meanwhile Collison played (easily) his worst game of the year -

Durant played a bad game defensively,

and three guys made bad decisions on offense late in the game . . .

but you can keep blaming the refs if it will make you sleep better . . .

Kev :

nick :Dammit Russ. Why? We could have gotten a better shot than that. He played so so so well and then makes that decision.

did anyone in here actually think that RW WASN’T going to take that???

No we didn't, but Tonight the good outweighed the bad and I think that Kobe and the Lakers don't really like playing the Thunder and I am good with that!

On national TV, we were within 30 seconds and could have sent the champs to OT for the second time this year! I am good with the effort and can say I love this team!
Anyone??

@justin
Whatever, it doesn't matter anyway because we are a terrible team that doesn't deserve to be in the NBA.

Also, Westbrook has (in my opinion) played terrible the last couple of games. He was excellent tonight. Not perfect, but pretty dang good. Just wanted to give up props.

I don't fault Westbrook for taking the only shot available at that time. I do, however, fault Brooks for drawing up an apparently easily sniffed out play and not starting the ball in the hands of a three point shooter. This would have been the perfect time to let Harden run to play. He's a significant three point threat and has the best vision of our players.

Come on, Brooks, we can't keep running the same "give it to Durant/Green/Westbrook and let them play one-on-five" play at the end of every close game.

@justin
He hadn't made any threes however. Only 15 footers. Very different.

I agree with both sides here. We did play well, and we pushed the champs at full strength. That being said, we could have REALLY easily won this game. Obviously I think that the refs were legitimately a factor, but there were plenty of mistake made by our team that can't be explained by the refs. Encouraged and frustrated all at once. I really wanted that one.

Kev :

dylan :All I’m going to say is that if you don’t think the refs cost us AT LEAST 3 points tonight, you’re a fool.
The last shot by westbrook wasn’t bad. The Lakers blew our play up and he had to go one on one.

I’m a fool then . . .
WE lost the game – see any one of my previous five posts for confirmation . . .
we are on the ROAD against the CHAMPS – like Reggie Miller said a long time ago, if you want to beat the champs, no TKOS! – you have to knock them out !!!!

Kev you cant be serious... you say some good things on here but your view on this game is like a FOOL...

The ref complaints really aren't necessary. The Thunder played great and came up a little short against the best team in the NBA in their house. Would have been great to get the win, but it happens. Regardless of the outcome, that game is a step in the right direction.

dylan :All I’m going to say is that if you don’t think the refs cost us AT LEAST 3 points tonight, you’re a fool.
The last shot by westbrook wasn’t bad. The Lakers blew our play up and he had to go one on one.

I'm a fool then . . .

WE lost the game - see any one of my previous five posts for confirmation . . .

we are on the ROAD against the CHAMPS - like Reggie Miller said a long time ago, if you want to beat the champs, no TKOS! - you have to knock them out !!!!

im sorry, but why in the world wouldnt he take that shot? he kept us in the game with clutch shot after clutch shot... and he just barely missed it. quit griping so much over westbrook... its so annoying. i wanted him or harden taking that shot and since no one was really moving, he took the shot... and it was a good look!!!

justin :I don’t mind Russ’ shot there. He was in rhythm and was making jump shots all game.

Not from THREE! and not off the dribble either!

justin :I don’t mind Russ’ shot there. He was in rhythm and was making jump shots all game.

he was making twos- he hadnt even made a three yet . . . let Harden bring it up and set a screen for him . . .

All I'm going to say is that if you don't think the refs cost us AT LEAST 3 points tonight, you're a fool.

The last shot by westbrook wasn't bad. The Lakers blew our play up and he had to go one on one.

justin :@clarkem
I like your philosophy; don’t worry about that one wasted possession in a two possession game, we make plenty of mistakes.
Very disappointed in this loss. I know Royce or whoever does the recap will say ‘we weren’t supposed to win this one anyway’ but this game was right there for the taking and we blew it because we couldn’t execute basic plays and make basic basketball decisions.

it's a learning tool - the Lakers know how to win - we don't . . .

Thabo, RW and Serge all made questionable decions on the offensive end in the closing moments - playoff teams dont do this . . .

we obviously arent there yet . . .

still, we played a good game, just not good enough . . .

Great game by our guys. If the refs had been remotely even-handed we would have won that one.

the refs blew it for us, it was a 3 point game but they gave the lakers more then that

I don't mind Russ' shot there. He was in rhythm and was making jump shots all game.

@clarkem

I like your philosophy; don't worry about that one wasted possession in a two possession game, we make plenty of mistakes.

Very disappointed in this loss. I know Royce or whoever does the recap will say 'we weren't supposed to win this one anyway' but this game was right there for the taking and we blew it because we couldn't execute basic plays and make basic basketball decisions.

nick :Dammit Russ. Why? We could have gotten a better shot than that. He played so so so well and then makes that decision.

did anyone in here actually think that RW WASN'T going to take that???

Anyone??

He was feelin it though. How nice would it have been to have Durant in there

spike :Do we even have to say it?

no . . . thinking it . . .

There are plenty of bad plays in every game. THat is not the worst that has happened.

Dammit Russ. Why? We could have gotten a better shot than that. He played so so so well and then makes that decision.

Dear gawd that was so close for RW.

Russ had to take the shot didn't he?!!!

justin :@clarkem
Are you really defending that shot attempt? Really? With a reset shot clock and Pau Gasol draped all over you? Open shooters on the perimeter because their defense hasn’t reset?
That’s the difference between the teams. Lakers get a board they immediately attack the reset defense. Ibaka just launches a prayer.

amen . . .

how can you defend a guy that has one assist on the SEASON . . .

Do we even have to say it?

@justin
I'm not defending it so much as hoping you aren't seriously acting like Serge shouldn't play and if we lose its a result of that play

@clarkem

Fouls on LA vs. OKC are forbidden

Harden can finish witch contact - clutch shot . . .