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		<title>By: Crow</title>
		<link>http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/11/tuesday-bolts-11-10-09/comment-page-2/#comment-30603</link>
		<dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and should be &quot;hodge&quot;-podge

sorry. ripo with typos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and should be &#8220;hodge&#8221;-podge</p>
<p>sorry. ripo with typos.</p>
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		<title>By: Crow</title>
		<link>http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/11/tuesday-bolts-11-10-09/comment-page-2/#comment-30600</link>
		<dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>correction: as an excuse &quot;not&quot; to try to do a bit better</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>correction: as an excuse &#8220;not&#8221; to try to do a bit better</p>
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		<title>By: Crow</title>
		<link>http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/11/tuesday-bolts-11-10-09/comment-page-2/#comment-30599</link>
		<dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on the big picture Joe.

Though, to be as precise as possible, while Dean Oliver&#039;s defensive rating basically mirrors the team, it violates that team spirit by giving guys who steal the ball or block the ball all the credit for those particular plays but gives everybody equal credit or blame for everything else, including when they miss on a steal attempt or don&#039;t get the block. On  goal-tending everybody gets an equal share of that blame. Thats whack but the way it currently works in this rating.

It is a podge-podge that impressed when it was prepared (in part because it was so complicated despite this simple explanation) but defensive rating could be made a lot better now (I think) if it incorporated counterpart data to some degree, even knowing that is of course imprecise. Heck defensive rating as is is terribly imprecise so why use that as an excuse to try to do a bit better?  Because nobody else wants to critique a &quot;made-man&quot;, godfather of advanced stats.  But on this, it needs to be done. So I say it occasionally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on the big picture Joe.</p>
<p>Though, to be as precise as possible, while Dean Oliver&#8217;s defensive rating basically mirrors the team, it violates that team spirit by giving guys who steal the ball or block the ball all the credit for those particular plays but gives everybody equal credit or blame for everything else, including when they miss on a steal attempt or don&#8217;t get the block. On  goal-tending everybody gets an equal share of that blame. Thats whack but the way it currently works in this rating.</p>
<p>It is a podge-podge that impressed when it was prepared (in part because it was so complicated despite this simple explanation) but defensive rating could be made a lot better now (I think) if it incorporated counterpart data to some degree, even knowing that is of course imprecise. Heck defensive rating as is is terribly imprecise so why use that as an excuse to try to do a bit better?  Because nobody else wants to critique a &#8220;made-man&#8221;, godfather of advanced stats.  But on this, it needs to be done. So I say it occasionally.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 02:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I am changing the subject. Regarding the article about Jeff Green&#039;s defense: it&#039;s not good. Period.

Using BB references defensive rating basically mirrors the team. It doesn&#039;t do a good job of individual ability or effort.

Over at BB value you will see that the team is 16 points better on defense so far this year when he is off the court. True, his defensive rating per them is just about 100 pp/100 allowed, but Nick Collison&#039;s is 84, within the same system.

82 games.com has J.Green at 102 defensively and the team as a whole + 17 points better defensively when he leaves the court. 

So, Jeff Green still has a lot of work to do defensively. Granted Collison is usually playing against the second unit of the opponent, but the article in the bolts is misguided.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I am changing the subject. Regarding the article about Jeff Green&#8217;s defense: it&#8217;s not good. Period.</p>
<p>Using BB references defensive rating basically mirrors the team. It doesn&#8217;t do a good job of individual ability or effort.</p>
<p>Over at BB value you will see that the team is 16 points better on defense so far this year when he is off the court. True, his defensive rating per them is just about 100 pp/100 allowed, but Nick Collison&#8217;s is 84, within the same system.</p>
<p>82 games.com has J.Green at 102 defensively and the team as a whole + 17 points better defensively when he leaves the court. </p>
<p>So, Jeff Green still has a lot of work to do defensively. Granted Collison is usually playing against the second unit of the opponent, but the article in the bolts is misguided.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Thomas has a bad game tonight perhaps the primary financially vested person should consider entering his name into the basketball exchange service to inquire about possible interest from financially vested persons associated with other teams. 

Ah, screw that. He&#039;s playing too good for the owner to put him on the trading block. Go Thunder. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Thomas has a bad game tonight perhaps the primary financially vested person should consider entering his name into the basketball exchange service to inquire about possible interest from financially vested persons associated with other teams. </p>
<p>Ah, screw that. He&#8217;s playing too good for the owner to put him on the trading block. Go Thunder. :)</p>
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		<title>By: GrantPhillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>GrantPhillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>definitely interesting but its nothing but a coincidence.  He is just being too picky.  like many have mentioned before, thats just the way sports is.  Owners are called owners because they own the team.  its a little ridiculous and really frustrates me me people try and do this...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>definitely interesting but its nothing but a coincidence.  He is just being too picky.  like many have mentioned before, thats just the way sports is.  Owners are called owners because they own the team.  its a little ridiculous and really frustrates me me people try and do this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Royce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Royce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-30399&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Chas&lt;/a&gt; 
Yeah, the only thing is with this sort of thing, people tend to get emotional. 

I&#039;m glad there is discussion about it though. I wouldn&#039;t have posted it if I didn&#039;t think it was interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-30399" rel="nofollow">@Chas</a><br />
Yeah, the only thing is with this sort of thing, people tend to get emotional. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad there is discussion about it though. I wouldn&#8217;t have posted it if I didn&#8217;t think it was interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Chas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-30395&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Royce&lt;/a&gt; 
Hey, maybe you disagree but as long as people are commenting on your posts your doing the right thing.  We can abstain from talking politics if we want to.  Someone would have found it anyway because you have a bunch of Thunder addicts following you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-30395" rel="nofollow">@Royce</a><br />
Hey, maybe you disagree but as long as people are commenting on your posts your doing the right thing.  We can abstain from talking politics if we want to.  Someone would have found it anyway because you have a bunch of Thunder addicts following you.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve H</title>
		<link>http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/11/tuesday-bolts-11-10-09/comment-page-1/#comment-30396</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-30393&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Floppy Punch! &lt;/a&gt; 
Message recieved</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-30393" rel="nofollow">@Floppy Punch! </a><br />
Message recieved</p>
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		<title>By: Royce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Royce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 23:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Note to self: don&#039;t post political crap ever again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Note to self: don&#8217;t post political crap ever again.</p>
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