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Vote for the Thunder! Oklahoma City won a Fan Night vote to be featured on NBA TV against the Lakers this week thunderbolt23and can you believe it, the Thunder’s leading again. And this is for next Tuesday’s game against the Kings. The people are being heard - they want to see more Thunder. I find this very cool.

A little blurb from NBA.com: ”The kids put a serious scare into the champs Tuesday night in Oklahoma City. The Lakers needed overtime and an extra push late from an ailing Kobe Bryant to beat the Thunder in overtime. As much as the loss stung — Kevin Durant was as down as he’s ever been after the loss — the Thunder’s 2-2 start is turning some heads. Even in Oklahoma City’s two losses, the league’s second-youngest team took a pair of Western Conference heavyweights (Portland was the other) to the wire.”

Blake Griffin: “thunder gave the lakers all they wanted last night (pause). Kevin Durant is gonna lead the league in scoring one day… watch.”

Sam Presti talks to Kevin McHale and Chris Webber via arena link. Some good stuff about Presti’s drumming skills in there.

Ime Udoka signs with Sacramento and it appears Desmond Mason is in danger of being cut: “That shooting percentage is especially alarming if you could get your hands on a Desmond Mason shot chart, as most of his misses came from close range and he has struggled mightily to finish even the easiest of looks. All of this, I’m being told, doesn’t bode well for Mason considering all signs point to the Maloofs preferring not to have a 15-man roster (they have 15 now). And as a reminder, it looked like Andres Nocioni was going to be taking Mason’s spot in the starting lineup tonight even before Udoka was added.”

Tonight is the D-League draft. You can watch it on NBA TV tonight.

Dime’s Austin Burton is backing off his Russell Westbrook love for now: ”Four games into the new season, though, it’s looking like this may not be the year Westbrook becomes a star. Just like a lot of analysts were putting expectations on the Thunder that might have been too high, I may have given OKC’s point guard a little too much, too soon. Westbrook’s rebounding, assist and field-goal shooting numbers are up from last year through this first week, his scoring is only slightly down, but it goes beyond the stats. In OKC’s last two games — a loss to Portland that was close well into the fourth quarter, and last night’s overtime loss to the Lakers, both at home — Westbrook has hurt more than helped in crunch time. He’s also been a turnover machine. He gave it up six times to L.A., and had nine turnovers against the Blazers; not to mention a five-turnover effort in a win at Detroit.”

A little old, but someone posted this in the comments and it needs attention – Robert Swift’s basketball career lives on: ”Robert Swift spent countless hours honing his skills on the basketball courts of Bakersfield. A two-time Californian All-Area Player of the Year at Garces and Bakersfield high schools, Swift was one of the few phenoms to make the leap from preps to the NBA. Now, the 7-foot center will return to his hometown for a chance at redemption, and possibly a return to the NBA. Swift joins guard/forward Justin Hawkins as one of two players allocated to the Jam by the D-League on Tuesday.”

Jenni Carlson, well, being Jenni Carlson. She’s critical of Kevin Durant’s last two games in this video and says OKC is giving him an IOU. I’m witholding comment.

David Thorpe’s rooking rankings came out yesterday and James Harden sits at 11th.

Harden doesn’t make SI’s top 10. Even though Harden has just one turnover to 13 assists in 65 minutes played so far this season. People are hung on his scoring numbers being down, but aren’t realizing he’s doing a lot of good things on the court.

Britt Robson of SI on the Thunder: ”I know point guards are supposed to be distributors first, and that go-to scorers have to keep the faith through cold spells, but Chris Paul needs to shoot more and Kevin Durant has to chuck it up less frequently. Paul is shooting a ridiculous 65.6 percent (and 81.8 percent from three-point range) in four games, but the Hornets have started 1-3 because his teammates are clanking for a combined 42 percent. Durant’s Thunder might be undefeated if he hadn’t destroyed the rims for 3-of-21 shooting without registering an assist in Sunday’s loss to Portland. I don’t begrudge Durant his gifts — he had only two turnovers and got to the line 28 times in Oklahoma City’s first three games — and his improved defense is one reason the Thunder are holding teams below 40 percent from the field. But Durant was shooting below 42 percent before his Sunday clankfest, and with second and third options Jeff Green and Russell Westbrook hitting half their shots (38-of-76), a little less gunnery is in order. By the way, Oklahoma City’s signing of defensive-minded swingman Thabo Sefolosha to an extension is further proof that general manager Sam Presti and his crew know how to build a franchise. Sefolosha was the first player this season to contain Portland’s Brandon Roy, holding him to 5-of-17 shooting and just seven free throws on Sunday.”

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@Jax Raging Bile Duct
I can think of a million and one terms I've used to describe easy women... nuf said

i'd like to read jenni carlson's early sports articles and critique them.

you guys are playing right into Jenni's hands . . .

J.G. :@kev Not to rain on your “Houston is awesome” parade, Keith and Kev, but did you actually watch the games they played, more particularly, did you watch how their opponents played in those games?
They got beat by a Portland team firing on all cylinders in the first game, BARELY beat a horribly unorganized and sloppy Golden State team in the second game (108-107), beat that same Portland team in the third game when the Blazers gave up 33 points in the first quarter, racked up 15 turnovers and 3 technical fouls and played even worse defense on Ariza and Brooks the entire game despite Brandon Roy’s Herculean effort (42 points).
And then they clobbered a listless and just absolutely horrid Jazz team who gave up 29 assists to the Rockets, only grabbed 8 rebounds and shot a disgusting 27.3% from three (the Jazz actually went 13-35 in the second quarter, going more than 7 minutes without a field goal in the third quarter), in what was one of the Jazz’s worst defensive efforts in their home arena, per Jerry Sloan: “If you’re not going to defend, it’s pretty tough to have a chance to win. They got on top of the basket, they drove around us, they went up to the ball on the boards and they passed the ball.” (The Jazz gave up 325 points in three games — an average over 108 a game).
And then they lost an overtime game to the Lakers on a missed last second shot (gee, where have I seen that before?).
Yes the Rockets are out working (and out executing) teams with better talent, and by no means do I want to discount that, but we all know that hard work beats superior talent when talent does not work hard.
And the Rockets have three wins over teams who did not work hard enough to either challenge the Rockets and their cohesive teamwork/execution, or to work hard enough for all four quarters (Golden State) on both ends of the court (Utah/Portland).
So yes, I think the Houston game will be a great game to watch, but I’m still not sold on Houston’s start being that much more impressive than the Thunder’s by any stretch of the imagination.

thank you - neither one of us said "awesome". I am on the same page with Keith. They beat Portland, we didn't - and they beat Portland with LMA playing the whole game if I remember correctly . . . right NOW Houston is the better team - I didn't say they were future world champs . . .
Keith :@J.G.Actually, I don’t think either of us are calling Houston awesome by any stretch. The point is that Houston is a good measuring stick for our team. We are great against nobodies, and rather lackluster against good teams. Houston is not a more talented team than us, but they should be about even with us overall.
My point is that how we play Houston could say a great deal about who we are. Houston beats teams by playing solid defense and very cohesively in order to cover up their lack of great individual players. We have a couple great individual players, but ultimately will only be as good as we can play cohesively. If we get beat in bad fashion by a less talented team with more teamwork, it shows we aren’t as good of a team as we hoped, and are at least a year away from consistently challenging opposing teams. If we can beat a team with great teamwork in their own building, it will say a lot about how effectively we are utilizing our players and thus the ceiling on how good we can be this year.

@DJ

Maybe scummie has another meaning then, because it doesn't fit the context of this exchange...

jHARD13 - @blakegriffin whats good bro...

blakegriffin - @jHARD13 chillin what up? how u livin?

jHARD13 - @blakegriffin lol the same just chilllin in your hood..what else is there to do here???...how is the knee?

blakegriffin - @jHARD13 lol get some scummies. its ight gettin better.

jHARD13 - @blakegriffin lol bro there isnt any..ive been looking..u got some scummies for me in LA now??

Unless Harden is looking for unattractive, creepy dudes at bars.

@Alexfromgermany
As an adult male over 40 years of age, I am comfortable saying that Carlson is an absolute hack masquerading as a sports journalist, and that her "IOU" comment was simply a snarky way of kicking our budding super-star when he was obviously feeling down.

From the aforemention urban dictionary:

doint - pointless,useless, waste of time.

scummie - A very unattractive, creepy guy at bar, who lurks, watches.

Who is willing to own up on being a scummie?

@Alexfromgermany

IOU is a way of saying "I owe you". Jenni is trying to say that Kevin owes us a good game.

alright so what does this "okc gives durant an IOU" mean? foreigner here..

@Keith
Well then we're pretty much in perfect agreement. Haha. I've nothing to add to your rather well written post.

@J.G.
Actually, I don't think either of us are calling Houston awesome by any stretch. The point is that Houston is a good measuring stick for our team. We are great against nobodies, and rather lackluster against good teams. Houston is not a more talented team than us, but they should be about even with us overall.

My point is that how we play Houston could say a great deal about who we are. Houston beats teams by playing solid defense and very cohesively in order to cover up their lack of great individual players. We have a couple great individual players, but ultimately will only be as good as we can play cohesively. If we get beat in bad fashion by a less talented team with more teamwork, it shows we aren't as good of a team as we hoped, and are at least a year away from consistently challenging opposing teams. If we can beat a team with great teamwork in their own building, it will say a lot about how effectively we are utilizing our players and thus the ceiling on how good we can be this year.

Picking up on this Houston topic... I'd say that everryone should read the Houston/L.A. recap.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=291104010

There is really no need for my commentary, but take a look at the numbers for Bynum, Artest and Bryant relative to what they were against OKC. I know that you cant draw too many conclusions, but it sure is interesting.

To reiterate my excitement: Taylor Griffin saw his first NBA action last night, finishing with 2 points and 1 rebound over 8 minutes.

Hardly spectacular, but good for him!

And it's a shame that Harden isn't getting any love. I refuse to believe that 10+ rookies have displayed more NBA talent than Harden has thus far. The guy already looks like he's going to have a long and productive career.

Brandon Jennings's development has certainly been interesting though, and that's going to be a neat story-line for the rest of the season I think.

@kev
Not to rain on your "Houston is awesome" parade, Keith and Kev, but did you actually watch the games they played, more particularly, did you watch how their opponents played in those games?

They got beat by a Portland team firing on all cylinders in the first game, BARELY beat a horribly unorganized and sloppy Golden State team in the second game (108-107), beat that same Portland team in the third game when the Blazers gave up 33 points in the first quarter, racked up 15 turnovers and 3 technical fouls and played even worse defense on Ariza and Brooks the entire game despite Brandon Roy's Herculean effort (42 points).

And then they clobbered a listless and just absolutely horrid Jazz team who gave up 29 assists to the Rockets, only grabbed 8 rebounds and shot a disgusting 27.3% from three (the Jazz actually went 13-35 in the second quarter, going more than 7 minutes without a field goal in the third quarter), in what was one of the Jazz's worst defensive efforts in their home arena, per Jerry Sloan: "If you're not going to defend, it's pretty tough to have a chance to win. They got on top of the basket, they drove around us, they went up to the ball on the boards and they passed the ball." (The Jazz gave up 325 points in three games -- an average over 108 a game).

And then they lost an overtime game to the Lakers on a missed last second shot (gee, where have I seen that before?).

Yes the Rockets are out working (and out executing) teams with better talent, and by no means do I want to discount that, but we all know that hard work beats superior talent when talent does not work hard.

And the Rockets have three wins over teams who did not work hard enough to either challenge the Rockets and their cohesive teamwork/execution, or to work hard enough for all four quarters (Golden State) on both ends of the court (Utah/Portland).

So yes, I think the Houston game will be a great game to watch, but I'm still not sold on Houston's start being that much more impressive than the Thunder's by any stretch of the imagination.

How does the d-league work, Do they take the rest of the players that did't
get in the nba, or do all the teams send the players that need development.
or is it both?

Keith :Is anyone else looking at the Houston game as a big deal for the rest of the season? We beat the Kings, who are objectively terrible, and the Pistons in their first game without leading scorer and veteran Hamilton. Every win is a good win, but I can’t help but understand that we looked great against mediocre at best competition. In Portland, KD laid a stinker and Westbrook stopped being a PG. In LA we played OK (no pun), but we collapsed down the stretch and KD got worse as the game went on. Now yes Portland and LA are much better teams than Sacramento and Detroit, but at some point you have to take advantage of opportunity.
Houston is a team of average talent but with incredible heart and teamwork. I would go so far as to say we are the more talented team (how many times could that have been said before this year?). Yes, they have Battier/Ariza to guard Durant, and yes they have a hardworking frontcourt that will probably tire out Green and Krstic with their effort. But, this is a game we could be expected to win. We’ve looked like the better team against inferior opponents, and like the lesser team against those above us in the pecking order. Houston is exactly where we are. They weren’t expected to win as they have, but they take care of their own business and it goes a long way.
I think Houston is going to be the tone of the season. A good game from our guys (win or lose) could say we are truly turning a corner and could make a run at 40 wins. If we come out and play like Portland or to a lesser degree LA (that is, just good enough to lose), I have to wonder if we aren’t just the best of the bad teams, as opposed to the lower reaches of the good teams.

Good post - I've seen 2 or 3 Rockets games and right NOW they are the better team. You pretty much got it right when you said that they have average talent + incredible talent + incredible teamwork. They always seem to be on the same page. We probably have better talent, but we're not nearly as cohesive. Isn't the game at Houston? If so then they are expected to win - we will have to play very well to defeat them. Our perimeter defense (sans Thabo) is suspect - and they have guys (Battier, Ariza, Brooks) who can fill it up from three. It will be a great game to watch.

@Snowflake

@andrew

I had the same problem with the LA game, justin TV and the link Royce gave are all I've got really.

Is anyone else looking at the Houston game as a big deal for the rest of the season? We beat the Kings, who are objectively terrible, and the Pistons in their first game without leading scorer and veteran Hamilton. Every win is a good win, but I can't help but understand that we looked great against mediocre at best competition. In Portland, KD laid a stinker and Westbrook stopped being a PG. In LA we played OK (no pun), but we collapsed down the stretch and KD got worse as the game went on. Now yes Portland and LA are much better teams than Sacramento and Detroit, but at some point you have to take advantage of opportunity.

Houston is a team of average talent but with incredible heart and teamwork. I would go so far as to say we are the more talented team (how many times could that have been said before this year?). Yes, they have Battier/Ariza to guard Durant, and yes they have a hardworking frontcourt that will probably tire out Green and Krstic with their effort. But, this is a game we could be expected to win. We've looked like the better team against inferior opponents, and like the lesser team against those above us in the pecking order. Houston is exactly where we are. They weren't expected to win as they have, but they take care of their own business and it goes a long way.

I think Houston is going to be the tone of the season. A good game from our guys (win or lose) could say we are truly turning a corner and could make a run at 40 wins. If we come out and play like Portland or to a lesser degree LA (that is, just good enough to lose), I have to wonder if we aren't just the best of the bad teams, as opposed to the lower reaches of the good teams.

andrew :ugh I was able to keep myself from buying the league pass and it looks like I won’t regret it.. Every game on nbatv is blacked out on league pass and if we keep winning these fan night votes that is a lot of blacked out games.. I only have basic cable and therefore no nbatv

I believe you get NBATV with the purchase of league pass . . .

@andrew
I am in the same spot as you Andrew

Jenni Carlson needs to stick with commenting on real sports. Like roller derby. http://bit.ly/3dtYvW

The Oklahoman IS mostly a joke, but I do enjoy Darnell's write ups. Great sports journalist. He needs to find a new job IMO.

@Doug
It's The Oklahoman we're talking about. Do they know what journalism is or do they only view what they produce as recycled toilet paper? I think we know the answer to that one...

Ah, the things you learn round here. I should start tagging things with this: http://thegurglingcod.typepad.com/thegurglingcod/images/2008/02/12/the_more_you_know2.jpg

But seriously, someone should start a NBA Twitter Glossary. I think it would make for good reference material for people.

Now someone define doint and scummies for me.

How is Jenny Carlson still employed? Who values her "work".

ugh I was able to keep myself from buying the league pass and it looks like I won't regret it.. Every game on nbatv is blacked out on league pass and if we keep winning these fan night votes that is a lot of blacked out games.. I only have basic cable and therefore no nbatv

Like, instead of, "Thats what she said"

They gave the lakers all they wanted last night Pause, i.e. thats what she said

dylan :Friday Bolts – 11.6.09 (No homo edition)

LOL!

KingGondo :I know I’m gonna seem terribly uncool by asking, but what does “pause” mean? KD, Uncle Jeff, and Blake say it all the time on Twitter.

I think it is the modern version of a shakespearean(sp?) "soft".

Speaking of Shakespeare did he write "Thou bawdy bat-fowling lewdster!" about Ginobli?

Friday Bolts - 11.6.09 (No homo edition)

I can't help but think the TNT execs are kicking themselves (or will be).

Also, I've found translations of a lot of the Twitter phrases on Urban Dictionary. Be warned, though, use of Urban Dictionary causes you to lose major cool points (but I guess that comes from being an old guy).

@Clark Matthews
Who knows how many people have voted, but it is surprising. Even though we get the games, I'm voting for OKC-SAC just to get a bit more publicity out there.

One other broad comment: probably the biggest thing that annoys me about the media nowadays is the tendency to publish kneejerk reactions. RW's performance (understandably) suffers against two of the best teams in the league, and suddenly "he won't become a star this year." KD has a good, but non-clutch game against the Lakers, and suddenly "OKC's giving him an IOU." Let's wait until at least 10 games into the season to make these pronouncements, ok?

You can vote more than once!

@Royce
Ya, I just figured that out myself last night! There needs to be some kind of guide to "Twitter-Phrases"...

Has anyone noticed the voting for NBAtv game of the week for next Tuesday is still favoring the Thunder? They lead with 32% of the vote, second place is CHI/DEN (24%), and third is DAL/HOU (19%). What makes it that much more surprising is that the game is against Sacramento. Sacramento!?! The fans are voting to watch the team that had the third overall pick last year play the team that had the fourth overall pick, and both teams are in small markets. The hype around our team is building and it won't be long before Kevin Durant is getting us on ABC's Sunday games and TNT is sending a crew to OKC.

No homo makes every sentence better (no homo)

Ah, so it's kind of like a "That's what she said" type of thing. I see.

@Lefty
Thanks. I knew about "no homo," makes sense.

Kids these days!

Similar to how you might also see them say something like "no homo". It's kind of silly, and possibly offensive, really, but that's what it means.

You say (pause) after something that could be taken in a homosexual way if seen out of context.

Memphis is the youngest by like 50 days.

@Royce
I'm assuming it's just from some song. ???

@Boots
Golden State, iirc.

Anyone else notice around the 1:30 mark Presti almost said that Harden was the best player in the draft. But he cut himself short. That gave me a chuckle

If OKC is the 2nd youngest team this year, who is #1? Memphis?

I know I'm gonna seem terribly uncool by asking, but what does "pause" mean? KD, Uncle Jeff, and Blake say it all the time on Twitter.