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Payback is a you know what as Orlando rolls OKC 108-94

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Hey, at least it was just a 14 point loss and not double that. Right? RIGHT?

Here’s what I’m telling myself: I wanted a split and a split is what I got. So the back end of this Florida back-to-back was very ugly. Very. Ugly. But yet, Oklahoma City comes home 6-6 with a winnable game Friday night.

Yes, that was a whooping. Yes, it doesn’t feel good. There are a TON of negatives to take out of that game, but consider: This was the fourth road game in five days for a very young team and the sixth overall in nine days. Oh, and playing at a fully rested Orlando Magic team that played for the big trophy last year. It’s not justification, it’s reality. This is a league where you play 82 times. Mail in efforts happen and they happen a lot. The Lakers just got walloped twice last week. The Nuggets took a beating a couple games ago. Heck, the Magic got smoked by some team by 28 if I remember right.

Obviously, the piss-poor putrid defensive effort is not something to just say “Oh well” about, but again, all’s not lost. It’s not like these guys forgot how to play defense. It’s not like the first 11 games were a fluke. The Magic hit everything, the closeouts were poor, the team was very flat and nobody could hit a shot. And on the road against an elite team, that’s the formula for a butt stomping.

I know what some people will say. "This is what would have happened if Orlando would have been full strength in the first matchup." I suppose that could be true, but it's kind of unlikely. The Magic didn't have it that first time and OKC surely didn't have it this time.

This was really just the opposite of the first meeting this year. The Magic made a ton of 3s early. OKC did not. The Magic played really good defense. OKC did not. I know what some people will say. “This is what would have happened if Orlando would have been full strength in the first matchup.” I suppose that could be true, but it’s kind of unlikely. The Magic didn’t have it that first time and OKC surely didn’t have it this time.

You do have to like the fact the Thunder’s second team seized the opportunity, played very hard and cut a 30-point deficit down to 14. James Harden hit 6-7 from deep, scored 24 points, had three boards and three assists. He actually tied Kevin Durant for the franchise record in 3-point makes. Serge Ibaka played alright. Kyle Weaver saw his first burn and did some nice things. So at least there’s SOMETHING to take from this game that feels OK.

Notes:

  • I blame myself. I’m sorry Thabo. I should have waited until after this game. Vince Carter still has something left and had 18 on 6-13 shooting. You’re still a good defender Thabo, I know it.
  • When Durant is missing, it makes my heart hurt. He keeps trying and keeps trying, but things just don’t happen for him sometimes. He scored just 12 on 4-12 shooting, went 0-4 from 3 and 4-7 from the free throw line. It was just a bad night for The Durantula. I don’t know what the deal is with his 3-point stroke, but surely it’s going to come around. Surely.
  • I continue to love D.J. White. He hits his shots, plays hard and does his job. He’s a bit undersized for his position and he doesn’t have the athleticism to be a stud, but you’ve got to love his effort and steadiness.
  • At one point during the third quarter, I honestly didn’t think a single shot would ever go in for OKC. I think Nenad Krstic set the tone early with three straight airballs in the first quarter.
  • When the Magic shoot like that, they’re unbeatable. It’s simple. You can’t beat a team when they’re hitting like crazy and they have the inside presence of Howard.
  • Kyle Weaver! What I found most interesting about the DreamWeaver’s appearance was that he ran almost exclusively point guard. With Shaun Livingston now a big question mark, OKC needs a third point guard on the roster behind Kevin Ollie. Harden can handle the duties some, but Weaver may have to start stepping up. He was good: 11 points, four assists and two steals in 15 minutes. Solid.
  • I thought it was a great move by Scott Brooks to give Serge Ibaka extended minutes on Dwight Howard. I actually thought Serge did OK. He got lost on the screen and roll a couple times, but he grabbed nine rebounds in 22 minutes and busted his butt. He’s lost half the time he’s out there, but he goes hard and actually looked pretty decent.
  • Interesting note: Every player that checked in scored in this game. That’s unique.
  • Oklahoma City’s starters scored 35 points. The bench had 59.
  • Thabo has lost all confidence in his shot. He wasn’t a great shooter by any means, but he just can’t see it going in right now. Every shot is guided.
  • I know it’s silly, but I hate stat killing games like this. Westbrook’s numbers took a big hit as well as Durant’s and Green’s. I like looking at sexy stats, alright?
  • I really liked Scott Brooks getting his first technical there. His star was clearly fouled and showed more emotion to an official than normal. So Brooks backed up Durant and went after the official. I like that.
  • Hey at least James Harden got a career high. That’s cool, right?

Again, not a fun game and not a fun effort. There is a lot to be upset about. But it’s a marathon, not a sprint and one really stinker of a game, a season does not make. It’s still obvious this team is going to have some nights like this. But there will also be nights like the 28-point blowout and the win in Miami. It’ll all come together. It just takes a little time.

Next game is Friday night against the Wizards at home. A good chance to wash this one out of our mouths.

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I wondered if we would come out flat. Well, that was an easy answer.

I'm actually not upset about this game though. Like Royce said, it's the 6th game in 9 days, from west coast all the way back to the east coast. When I thought about that, it rung a bell, and I went to look up my comments that I made when the schedule was first released. Royce's post was called "Breakdown of the 2009-10 Thunder schedule" written on August 4th, 2009.

Jax Raging Bile Duct:
Royce, I disagree with you on one point. I think the toughest five game stretch is the third set…

Tue, Nov 17 – Oklahoma City at Miami 7:30 PM ET
Wed, Nov 18 – Oklahoma City at Orlando 7:00 PM ET
Fri, Nov 20 – Washington at Oklahoma City 8:00 PM ET
Sun, Nov 22 – Oklahoma City at L.A. Lakers 9:30 PM ET
Tue, Nov 24 – Oklahoma City at Utah 9:00 PM ET

That’s 5 quality opponents in 4 road games, from east coast to west coast, in 8 days. Now that’s TOUGH.

So it wasn't these last 6 games I was thinking about, but it was close. If you think about that schedule, that would wear anyone out. Playing a back to back on the west coast, take one day off and play a back to back in the middle of the country, take one day off and play a back to back on the east coast. That's brutal.

It's a good thing our starters got a rest yesterday, because they've got a brutal 3 game schedule coming up. At least none of them will be back to back games.

One last thing, I LOVED seeing Kyle Weaver play. I mentioned in the comments about a month ago that I wouldn't be surprised to see Kyle Weaver overtake Shaun Livingston as the backup point guard. That was before I found out the Kyle was going to be inactive and Kevin Ollie was the backup. But I love Kyle's game, and I'll be pissed if we don't find a way to get him in the game sometime soon.

PS. Good game James Harden. I'm glad to see you picking up the pace. Kudos sir.

@Clark Matthews
I felt that too Clark. A lot of times you can see a run coming to cut into the lead. I never thought OKC had a chance to do that.

I know they say you don't lose a game in the first five minutes, but it looked to me like the Magic tipped off with a purpose and went out to crush the Thunder's spirit...which they did. Dwight Howard made his presence felt immediately and I think the rest of the Magic fed off that.

@James Yeah he also hurt his groin it looked like last night. So bash him if you feel like it last year he finished with all star stats. By all star stats I mean he finished with similar if not better stats than did some of the forwards that were elected to the allstar team.

Have you noticed how our expectations have already started to change? A month ago, it you had said we would start off 6-6 with wins over the Spurs, Magic and Heat, we would have said you were nuts.

Should our expectations have changed? Yes, based on what we see the Thunder can do. But is this maddening win one, lose one a lot better that the short streaks we put together a couple times last year? You ain't kidding it is.

MartzMimic :Stinky, stinky game.
That said, thank you Kev and Crow in advance. Some guy came on the NewsOK live blogs talking about Durant being a horrible on defense. I agrees that everyone was bad tonight, and that while KD still has a way to go, his defense is much better this year. When he asked what made me think that, I used Kev’s defensive ratings from last night, and Crow’s comparison at the individual positions.
I’ve always seen my role as the quirky guy who notices off-the-wall stuff. But I love those of you (pause) who - as I’m writing this - are sitting in front of the DVR rewinding play after play.

I appreciate that MM!

Defensive Details: Falling to an Offensive Machine

After watching the game multiple times, I know that Orlando is a great offensive team. They’ve got Vince Carter back. They have Rashard Lewis back. They have Ryan Anderson back. Last time we played them, guys like JJ Redick, Matt Barnes, and Brandon Bass were forced to play major minutes. This time, all those guys were mopping up after the 1st string guys were showering. What makes a great offensive team? Well, they make you pay for every defensive mistake you make. To illustrate, I will take you through the opening sequence in the next paragraph.

Possession #1: Jason Williams passes the ball to Rashard Lewis in the high post. Superman is on the high post on the weakside. After the pass, Williams goes and screens for Carter (Thabo) in the left corner. Thabo goes under the pick. Lewis and Howard both serve as picks, as Carter is going back on top to shake Thabo. Thabo goes underneath both picks and does a great job to catch up to Carter. But it’s too late, ½ second is all Carter needs to get nineteen foot jumper down. The score is now tied at two.

Possession #2: After Jeff Green scored for the Thunder, the point guard Williams trots up the court with the ball. Green gets back and locks in on Williams. Remember last year when the Pacers’ Troy Murphy lit up Green when he locked in on the point guard? Same thing here. Green had no clue where Rashard Lewis was until it was too late. Williams recognized this and got the ball to Rashard while Green’s head was turned. All Lewis needed was ½ a step – and he got it. Green was on Lewis’ side as he drove the lane, but Lewis made a relatively easy layup in the lane. The score is now tied at four.

Possession #4: Rashard Lewis had the ball on the left side of the court after Williams (Westbrook) passed it off to him. Instead of following his man over to the weakside, RW hangs around (I guess) to get a possible steal. He totally forgets about Williams. He also has almost NO chance to get a steal. There is no scramble for the ball. No one had yet started driving hard in the lane. It was just a play where you just shake your head. Lewis looks up – makes an overhead cross-court pass to Lewis who is WIDE open. Not surprisingly, the three drops. 9-4 Magic.

Possession #5: Mickael Pietrus (Durant) started in the left corner. The ball went to the right. Durant turned his head a little too much. Pietrus drifted up while Durant was still frozen and locked in on the ball. Williams, who was penetrating, saw this and whipped a pass to Pietrus. Durant attempted to closeout, but Pietrus drove around him and passed the ball off the backboard (so he says) to a dunking Superman. 11-4 Magic. Timeout Thunder.

The rest, as you know, was all uphill.

Defensive MVP – Kyle Weaver (+8)

I loved seeing this guy get some action. Last year, he was Robin to Thabo’s Batman. In the second half, soon after he entered the game, the Magic ran that same play where the guard comes off three picks. This time, Williams was the guard attempting to get open. Weaver ran over the top of all three picks and shut down Williams, forcing him to pass off. That was a GREAT play. Hopefully Weaver can get on the floor some more. Obviously, Harden’s presence reduces Weaver’s opportunities, but maybe Brooks can come up with something to get Weaver some non-garbage time action.

Kevin Durant (+6)

After that mistake in the opening sequence, Durant settled down, and forced two turnovers, got a block and a deflection. He had a solid game despite all the miscues around him.

Serge Ibaka (+4)

Kevin Ollie (+3)

Russell Westbrook (+3)

James Harden (+1)

Shaun Livingston (zero)

DJ White (-1)

Etan Thomas (-1)

Nick Collison (-1)

Nenad Krstic (-1)

Thabo Sefolosha (-5)

It was a bad game for Thabo. He went underneath screens constantly, and this either left shooters open, or it forced our guys to rotate. Either way, it’s a night for Thabo to forget.

Jeff Green (-9)

Jeff Green made numerous mistakes. In addition to going underneath screens, he was late in rotation, and he had issues with blocking out.

Diaw or Kirilenko aren't strongly inside scoring biased but on the relative scale given the lack of inside scorers around the league they are decent mixes of inside / outside. If you can get better go for it but it is rare.

Ty Thomas is a tricky mix to read by the stats. I haven't seen him enough to get a good gauge on him. He probably hasn't been used right but what is right for him and how much blame should he get for being hard to use right?

You could say why get them if you aren't satisfied with Green as there are similarities and the answer would have to be length, defense, passing and vet experience. And that it is to supplement Green and move up his SF minutes some.

But talk about what ifs can be endless.
That is probably enough on those 2 from me right now.

A main point out of these examples though is that next summer's cap room could make trades into pseudo- free agents. If you were willing to give up draft picks past present or future.

With either Diaw or Kirilenko the most likely usage would be at PF though you could give some SF or C time depending on matchups and overall strategy.

If you got a crack at getting Diaw or Kirilenko for not much next summer, and these teams might want to dump salary, would you do it? Diaw is only signed for 2 more years and Kirilenko will be in his final year. The latter hasn't been worth his salary but is playing well right now and the former probably hasn't either been worth it or on it team-wise recently but they are intriguing mixes of inside/outside scoring with passing and versatility to play different positions, different roles.

Just throwing a few more names on the fire. Not necessarily saying these are the best moves. But part of the strategy would be retaining them on more appropriate sized next contracts.

Presti might surprise some and do close to nothing in next season's free agency. It wouldn't entirely surprise me though if turns out that way. A big move might surprise me more.

If Ollie and Thomas get credit for helping get to .500 then grizzled vets belong in the mix for next year too.

Presti didn't keep Joe Smith or Kurt Thomas around. I wonder if he would in these cases though. It is a long season and a long time before we'll know.

Go for an inside scoring PF or a C. They probably won't get both. Center might look like the simpler place to upgrade but doing so at PF would probably produce more "change".

Still need more 3 point shooting and to get that other guys need to get on the court more.

I am glad the last season to this season defensive change by position data in the Who remembers Sunday thread was useful to you Martz.

Blake's list of free agent targets had some interesting / good names.

They could probably bid more for Brad Miller or Zydrunas Ilgauskas than others will though they probably won't given their age; but if you want playoffs now you add some grizzled vets. I assume Houston uses good sense and matches on Carl Landry and Luis Scola but Landry gets to choose this time and might be had for the right price and minutes- 25+ a game. But they'll need to see what White and Landry can deliver first. Hayes is interesting too. How high will his price go? They could outbid Houston and he'd fit the team defense / others do the scoring concept.

Next summer free agency will a key choice. Bigger than the next draft.

Joe :
I’m pretty much disgusted with Jeff Green.
I hope he will make me feel better with a great game on Friday.

There are a number of players who need to pull it together. Slow things down and take their shots. I can buy one or two having problems, but when everyone is missing shots...STOP SHOOTING. Step back and let things develop.

This game was disgusting. But, as in anything, there are positives. The positives to bring are 1) Let Harden take his shots. When he is given time he can drain the 3s' so let him work through it. 2) Choose something to guard against. Inside the rim or the outside shots. Tonight it should have been the outside shots.

Just bad ....

Has Green not had a lingering hip injury recently?

@Blake
Oh no, you are right. I just judge good/bad drafts different. There are some good role players from this years draft.

Vega :The Hollins non-signing really bothered me. He fit so well, but we didn’t get him. Ibaka is playing well, so it may end up that we won’t need Hollins, but I still would have at least considered it.

I wanted us to go after Hollins too.

@Vega
If we go the "what Presti should have done route" then I say he should have picked up Blair and Patty Mills.

@Warren
Thats true not many superstars but I think it is pretty deep with servicable (sp?) players.

The Hollins non-signing really bothered me. He fit so well, but we didn't get him. Ibaka is playing well, so it may end up that we won't need Hollins, but I still would have at least considered it.

As far as free agents go, I'd consider C.J. Watson, Steve Novak, Josh Boone, Sergio Rodriguez, and Rasual Butler. No big names. Just role players. However, I would target a big like Marc Gasol, Andris Biedrins, or Marcin Gortat in a trade.

I know that Sam Presti is a darn good GM, but I'm going to call him out on a few of the moves he made this offseason. Roddy Beaubois is the most painful example. Right now, we are looking for a backup point guard to replace the ancient Kevin Ollie. We had a perfect candidate, for about two minutes. But Presti had to go off and trade him to the Mavs in exchange for a big white guy who was nowhere close to being ready for the NBA. Brilliant move there, Mr. Presti.

Another move that I would have made would have been Marco Belinelli. Toronto managed to get him from Golden State for Devean George. Yes, that Devean George. We probably could have gotten him for Chucky Atkins, but instead, we packaged Atkins and Wilkins together and got Etan Thomas, who has played surprising well, but probably isn't a part of our future.

Ryan Hollins is another guy that I think should have been signed. Minnesota managed to get him for a mere two million-ish a year. That is absolutely nothing when you consider what he brings to the table. He's young, athletic and can block shots. He has also proven that he is capable of playing at the NBA level, unlike B.J. Mullens, who hasn't show to be anything more than another Johan Petro.

Personally, I would have assembled the team like this:

PG: Westbrook/Beaubois/Livingston
SG: Sefolosha/Harden/Belinelli
SF: Durant/Belinelli/Green
PF: Green/Collison/White/Ibaka
C: Krstic/Holins/Ibaka/Collison

@Blake
I Think Curry, Jennings, and Griffin will emerge as the top three eventually. Harden 4, Evans 5

@Blake
I look at it a little different than most people do. I don't think it is a very good class. I don't see any "franchise players" in this class yet. Jennings looks the closest and Blake still hasn't played. Other than those two none of them look like the kind of players to build your franchise around. Some good role players but thats about it.

So after the first 12 games this yr what do you guys think about the rookie class this yr? There were alot of national people out there before the draft sayin how weak this class is. I actually think this class is pretty good myself. There are quite a few guys that got overlooked by a bunch of teams IMO.

@The DON
My list of 2010 FA's that I wouldnt mind having on our team that I realistically think we could get not in any particular order:
Tyrus Thomas, Brad Miller, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Kris Humphries, Carl Landry, Luis Scola, Steve Novak, Joe Alexander, Jared Jeffries, Jason Kapono, Channing Frye, Kyle Korver, Chris Bosh (maybe), Carlos Boozer (maybe), Fabricio Oberto.
Those are some of the ones I think we should look at. Im not sure if any of these guys have got any extensions so far this yr.

I wonder if Etan will be resigned or if he will expect to much money. I like him as a backup center.

I think a player that OKC should target in the offseason should be Brendan Haywood. He's a bit older but his game would make a huge difference to this team, and he'll be a bit under the radar with the other FA's that will be available. Krstic will probably opt out, and Haywood won't cost THAT much more than him, and he's a better fit.

Plus I never said that the team would be better off with White or Ibaka over Collison so check my post, but I would say they need a chance to grow into players.

LA didnt pick up the option on him so he will be a free agent this summer

@The DON

@Vince
How can Ibaka or White prove anything when Collison is playing most of the mins in the game? Like I said before Collison is not the whole problem, but it's time to let the others get a chance to grow while the season is young. We all know that it won't be long before he breaks a finger or something like the numerous times he did last season, is that the time to give them a shot at proving themselves?

Warren :@The
DON
I know I will be by myself with this answer but I would like to see us go after Jordan Farmar. He will push Westbrook and is a good pg. He can hit the 3 pretty good.

That is a great and realistic backup PG for us to target. I know for a fact that he is expandable in LA and for a reasonable offer they'd give him up. hmmmm

@ DON

Because Joe is saying he is disgusted with Jeff Green at this moment. He's not calling for Chris Bosh or Tim Duncan.

GAP :@justin

True, but at the same time vince is acting like Collison is above average player which I have a hard time agreeing to.

Never said that. But I would argue (and, no, I'm not looking it up) that Collison is an above-average backup 4. I imagine (just a guess) it would depend on which stats you chose. But Collison is a legitimate NBA rotation guy. White and Ibaka are not. They may be someday, or they may be right now -- I don't know. Arguing that White should start over Collison -- based on-court stuff -- is just hope. If you argue that Collison's 6.5M (I think that's close) could be moved to a contender to create room on the cap and room to see what exactly White/Ibaka can do -- I can accept that. But saying this team would be better with White over Collison has no basis in fact.

@The DON
I know I will be by myself with this answer but I would like to see us go after Jordan Farmar. He will push Westbrook and is a good pg. He can hit the 3 pretty good.

@GAP
Collison's defensive stats and rebounding rates are above league-average and have been his entire career. Hollinger (at one point) noted the almost impossible consistency of his stats. (Numbers deviate as a general rule, but Collison has been right at 11/11 or so per 48 the last 3 years.) Basketball-reference's DRating stats show him over 100 every single season.

So the facts bear out that Collison is an above-average defender, despite his seeming athletic limitations to the naked eye. Your facts about Ibaka and White seem to be that you think they look more athletic, despite the fact that neither has accomplished anything in the league.

what free agents this summer would you guys target who could realistically end up in OKC? (i.e. not lebron or wade)

Also, what realistic trades would you guys pursue right now to make us better? I want to get either landry or hayes from the rockets somehow

As far as Green, I think we have to remember that he's still averaging 15-5. Could it be better? Yes. A lot. But just a few days ago, we were breaking down stats that showed he was the sixth best power forward in the West (sorry, looking back for that, but can't find it).

And no, no, no, no to moving Nick.

@justin
True, but at the same time vince is acting like Collison is above average player which I have a hard time agreeing to.

Nick is a pretty good defender, he's smart, takes charges, and knows where to be in terms of position.

@Vince
Give me some facts on how Collison has done so much better than the younger guys up till this point. In all actuality he hasn't been playing to the potential that he's being paid and tell me i'm wrong. Nick is a liability on D when he's playing outside of the paint and doesn't have a shot or any explosiveness at all.

His lateral quickness is, for lack of better words nonexisted and i've never seen him jump higher than 12 inches off the ground. Yeah he can hustle, but who can't for less money (Ryan Bowen). I just want you to take a look at a few of our last games and tell me that most, if not all of them when Nick checks in we start losing or give up easy baskets under the rim because of his lack of movement and foul rate. I would rather Ibaka get the fouls that Nick would inevidably get because atleast he could stay in front of a big on the outside.

Also have you seen Collison try to contest a shot lately?? I would guess not or you would see that he has trouble trying to put a hand in a guys face when said guy is shooting a jumper and CAN jump higher than 12 inches.

The idea of moving Collison isn't that White is necessarily better, it's that Collison has value as a competent big and probably is not in the team's long term plans. Shedding that salary for next season would enable the Thunder to put more into the pursuit of a big free agent and/or save some money for when the young guys get extended.

Nick is definitely not a problem on this team, but he may end up redundant, and he probably will not be resigned when his deal is up so why not get some value while you can (whether it's cap space next year or some other player)?

justin :
DJ White is a good player and I hope he can get into the rotation. Maybe we’ll trade Nick Collison at the deadline or something, White is solid and deserves to play. He’ll nail that shot all day and rebound the ball.
Serge Ibaka brings energy but he’s always out of position. He had another five foul game, had another illegal defense, and I think he also had a 3 second. That kind of stuff doesn’t fly in the NBA hopefully he can learn.
Thabo’s just regressing to the mean. He’s just not a good shooter. Of course it would be fantastic if he could knock down the open three, but it’s not going to happen. The Bulls aren’t dumb and wouldn’t have given up on him if they felt he would develop that shot. He still could, but he’s 0 for his last 13 from deep. Not very encouraging.
Not so concerned about KD’s shooting because he was trying to save the game all by himself, but Jeff Green’s offense the last couple games (and defense) has been distressing. Realistically, is he going to be a guy that ever shoots over 46% from the field? Are we comfortable with a starting PF shooting that kind of percentage? I really want to see him post up or take it inside more..

1. Probable scenario, agreed.
2. Serge is 20 years old. And he won't turn 21 until september. He's playing the position that traditionally takes the most time to get down right. Hopefully he can learn? How can he not?
3. Uhuh. Still, if Thabo can cut the production of the league's top guards in half like he's been doing and get only marginally better in the end the team is above breaking even.
4. I think Green will, once the team trades for/drafts a more stable/starting center. ('Bad' games by Green are have so far this season been bad games from Kristic also.)

GAP :@justin

Well said because I think we need to get rid of Collison if we’re ever gonna develop our athletic players and let them learn how to play in the league. Don’t get me wrong Nick isn’t the whole problem, but he just can’t keep up with athletic bigs especially the ones who play perimeter basketball.

This is just silly. If you want to move Collison to create cap space or room for Ibaka/White, fine. But Collison has been an above-average defender and rebounder his entire career. He's a top-8 guy on any team. This constant idea on this board that White should play over Collison is based on nothing but hope. White's proved nothing. I'm not saying White isn't a long-term rotation player in the league -- I don't know either way -- but Collison has already proved -- with an amazing degree of consistency -- that he is.

Joe :
I’m pretty much disgusted with Jeff Green.
I hope he will make me feel better with a great game on Friday.

Why is it ok for you to make such comments about green but when i direct the same sentiment towards westbrook you guys call me moron and idiot and traitor?

p.s. just so you know, i actually agree with you about green 100%

MartzMimic :
Stinky, stinky game.
That said, thank you Kev and Crow in advance. Some guy came on the NewsOK live blogs talking about Durant being a horrible on defense. I agrees that everyone was bad tonight, and that while KD still has a way to go, his defense is much better this year. When he asked what made me think that, I used Kev’s defensive ratings from last night, and Crow’s comparison at the individual positions.
I’ve always seen my role as the quirky guy who notices off-the-wall stuff. But I love those of you (pause) who - as I’m writing this - are sitting in front of the DVR rewinding play after play.

You go Martz!! You beat them over the head with some advanced stats eh? Good for you.!

Aside from the lackluster game our starters put in, I must applaud Harden for a nice well rounded game for which we drafted to see out of him. Hopefully he can catch fire and start to give us these type games sooner rather than later.

justin :Watching Dallas right now feeling sick about Rodrigue Beauboix.

x2
And his name is even cooler than Byrons.

I hope Hardens game tonight is a look of whats to come and not a mirage. <(spell check)