Comments on: Getting trendy http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/11/getting-trendy/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 06:44:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: f5alcon http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/11/getting-trendy/comment-page-2/#comment-35181 f5alcon Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:07:10 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=6242#comment-35181 lol its fine i dont mind discussing gortat, yes more of his minutes are at PF this year, but his RPG dropped from 4.5 to 4, and howards mins are 2 less per game, meaning gortat played 2 more minutes at Center this year and 2 more at PF, his RPG should have be up slightly. His PER is 14 compared to krstics 13.1, so he isnt a real upgrade from krstic, its not that i dont like gortat, i just dont want to spend so much money on him, when there are better options lol its fine i dont mind discussing gortat, yes more of his minutes are at PF this year, but his RPG dropped from 4.5 to 4, and howards mins are 2 less per game, meaning gortat played 2 more minutes at Center this year and 2 more at PF, his RPG should have be up slightly. His PER is 14 compared to krstics 13.1, so he isnt a real upgrade from krstic, its not that i dont like gortat, i just dont want to spend so much money on him, when there are better options

]]> By: Steve H http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/11/getting-trendy/comment-page-2/#comment-35177 Steve H Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:45:06 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=6242#comment-35177 <a href="#comment-35111" rel="nofollow">@f5alcon </a> <a href="#comment-35154" rel="nofollow">@justin </a> <a href="#comment-35137" rel="nofollow">@Sammy </a> This is my last Gortat related comment for awhile I swear. As Sammy and Mr. Falcon have noted, Gortat's rebounding numbers did not increase porportionately to is increased minutes this season (from 12 to 16 on average so far). I think that many of those additional minutes averaged this season came at the PF position while Lewis was suspended, and don't necessarily reflect a dip in the Hammer's performance. Rodman in his prime would have seen his rebounding numbers drop if he had played alongside big Dwight. Just sayin. @f5alcon

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This is my last Gortat related comment for awhile I swear. As Sammy and Mr. Falcon have noted, Gortat’s rebounding numbers did not increase porportionately to is increased minutes this season (from 12 to 16 on average so far). I think that many of those additional minutes averaged this season came at the PF position while Lewis was suspended, and don’t necessarily reflect a dip in the Hammer’s performance. Rodman in his prime would have seen his rebounding numbers drop if he had played alongside big Dwight. Just sayin.

]]> By: justin http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/11/getting-trendy/comment-page-2/#comment-35154 justin Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:54:34 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=6242#comment-35154 <a href="#comment-35137" rel="nofollow">@Sammy </a> I definitely concur with you re: "I'll wait till we have a much larger sample size before I jump to any conclusions.". I'd like to know which stat heads suggested that Marcin Gortat is a league average starting center based on under 1200 minutes of NBA basketball. I don't have the time to research this right now, but I'm sure many of Marcin Gortat's minutes last year in 'uncompetitive' situations. Even if they didn't, using 1200 minutes as a basis to award a long term contract befitting a starting center seems foolhardy. I'd like to see something more from Marcin Gortat than erratic bench play before claiming him starting center material for any team. @Sammy

I definitely concur with you re: “I’ll wait till we have a much larger sample size before I jump to any conclusions.”. I’d like to know which stat heads suggested that Marcin Gortat is a league average starting center based on under 1200 minutes of NBA basketball. I don’t have the time to research this right now, but I’m sure many of Marcin Gortat’s minutes last year in ‘uncompetitive’ situations. Even if they didn’t, using 1200 minutes as a basis to award a long term contract befitting a starting center seems foolhardy.

I’d like to see something more from Marcin Gortat than erratic bench play before claiming him starting center material for any team.

]]> By: Sammy http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/11/getting-trendy/comment-page-2/#comment-35137 Sammy Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:07:25 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=6242#comment-35137 <a href="#comment-35116" rel="nofollow">@justin</a> Gortat's minutes =! garbage time. Would you call Etan Thomas' or Nick Collison's minutes garbage time (before the injuries)? The consensus among many fans/scouts/analysts/statheads is that Gortat is a league-average starting center stuck on a team with Superman, which is a pretty good deal for the MLE. His rate stats have taken a hit but I'll wait till we have a much larger sample size before I jump to any conclusions. @justin
Gortat’s minutes =! garbage time. Would you call Etan Thomas’ or Nick Collison’s minutes garbage time (before the injuries)? The consensus among many fans/scouts/analysts/statheads is that Gortat is a league-average starting center stuck on a team with Superman, which is a pretty good deal for the MLE. His rate stats have taken a hit but I’ll wait till we have a much larger sample size before I jump to any conclusions.

]]> By: justin http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/11/getting-trendy/comment-page-2/#comment-35116 justin Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:40:51 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=6242#comment-35116 <a href="#comment-35115" rel="nofollow">@Steve H </a> Marcin Gortat is an overpaid backup, I don't understand the fascination some of the fans here had with him in the offseason. I mean, he gets a five year deal after playing 12 minutes a game, mostly in garbage time on a great team? I don't get it. He's starting to get meaningful minutes now and we're seeing what this guy is really capable of, which is not much. Definitely not starting material on a good team. @Steve H

Marcin Gortat is an overpaid backup, I don’t understand the fascination some of the fans here had with him in the offseason. I mean, he gets a five year deal after playing 12 minutes a game, mostly in garbage time on a great team? I don’t get it. He’s starting to get meaningful minutes now and we’re seeing what this guy is really capable of, which is not much. Definitely not starting material on a good team.

]]> By: Steve H http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/11/getting-trendy/comment-page-2/#comment-35115 Steve H Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:34:05 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=6242#comment-35115 <a href="#comment-35067" rel="nofollow">@f5alcon </a> 20 games is a small enough sample size that I still prefer his #s from last season as a predictor. If he could pull down 8+ boards and 1+ blks in 24 minutes, I would be a happy fan. I think his 5 year contract averages out to around 6.5 mill per- which is actually cheap for that level of production from a big not still under his rookie contract. If I fixate of Gortat, it is only because he could/should be gettable with the resources we have at a reasonable price. Delighted to see Mullens doing good in the D-league, but have to take it with a grain of salt- though like you say, I will be habby with an interim fix at this point like Camby or Haywood until we can fully develop a project like Mullens (or be in position to grab a free agent in another year or two). @f5alcon
20 games is a small enough sample size that I still prefer his #s from last season as a predictor. If he could pull down 8+ boards and 1+ blks in 24 minutes, I would be a happy fan. I think his 5 year contract averages out to around 6.5 mill per- which is actually cheap for that level of production from a big not still under his rookie contract. If I fixate of Gortat, it is only because he could/should be gettable with the resources we have at a reasonable price. Delighted to see Mullens doing good in the D-league, but have to take it with a grain of salt- though like you say, I will be habby with an interim fix at this point like Camby or Haywood until we can fully develop a project like Mullens (or be in position to grab a free agent in another year or two).

]]> By: justin http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/11/getting-trendy/comment-page-2/#comment-35114 justin Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:31:58 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=6242#comment-35114 I disagree, I'd ship Jeff Green and our first round pick to Memphis for Marc Gasol in a second. Good young center > good young forward. Gasol is playing like a top five center. It's a moot point anyway because he's not going to be traded. I disagree, I’d ship Jeff Green and our first round pick to Memphis for Marc Gasol in a second. Good young center > good young forward. Gasol is playing like a top five center. It’s a moot point anyway because he’s not going to be traded.

]]> By: f5alcon http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/11/getting-trendy/comment-page-2/#comment-35111 f5alcon Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:01:42 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=6242#comment-35111 yeah not worth it with the number of FA centers next summer yeah not worth it with the number of FA centers next summer

]]> By: justin http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/11/getting-trendy/comment-page-2/#comment-35104 justin Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:19:21 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=6242#comment-35104 Marc Gasol would cost at least Jeff Green, probably Jeff Green and a pick. Scrubs like Weaver / White and low lotto picks won't do it. Marc Gasol would cost at least Jeff Green, probably Jeff Green and a pick. Scrubs like Weaver / White and low lotto picks won’t do it.

]]> By: f5alcon http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/11/getting-trendy/comment-page-2/#comment-35076 f5alcon Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:06:22 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=6242#comment-35076 <a href="#comment-35069" rel="nofollow">@KingGondo</a> yeah, marc gasol would be good, but it would cost us maybe weaver+dj white and draft picks @KingGondo

yeah, marc gasol would be good, but it would cost us maybe weaver+dj white and draft picks

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