Comments on: Setting the Bar: Jeff Green http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/09/setting-the-bar-jeff-green/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:12:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: f5alcon http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/09/setting-the-bar-jeff-green/comment-page-1/#comment-22801 f5alcon Wed, 16 Sep 2009 18:07:56 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=4545#comment-22801 Well one of the 3 durant, westbrook or green needs to shoot less this season, they all took over 1000 shots last season, thats too many now with harden, livingston and white all being decent to good shooters, if westbrook and green each took a hundred less shots that would be better for the team, they need to improve their efficiency, really if green plays more in the post he will get to the line more which will help his scoring and inside shots will be better percentage, if he only shot 12 times a game but shot 48 or 49% it would be better. Well one of the 3 durant, westbrook or green needs to shoot less this season, they all took over 1000 shots last season, thats too many now with harden, livingston and white all being decent to good shooters, if westbrook and green each took a hundred less shots that would be better for the team, they need to improve their efficiency, really if green plays more in the post he will get to the line more which will help his scoring and inside shots will be better percentage, if he only shot 12 times a game but shot 48 or 49% it would be better.

]]> By: Royce http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/09/setting-the-bar-jeff-green/comment-page-1/#comment-22798 Royce Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:54:44 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=4545#comment-22798 <a href="#comment-22797" rel="nofollow">@Mitch </a> Oh, well I'd agree there. But there's a ton of cases in players becoming better rebounders. Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett... all their rebounding numbers went up season by season. I'm not saying Green is in their category, but improvement there isn't far fetched. @Mitch
Oh, well I’d agree there. But there’s a ton of cases in players becoming better rebounders. Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett… all their rebounding numbers went up season by season. I’m not saying Green is in their category, but improvement there isn’t far fetched.

]]> By: Mitch http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/09/setting-the-bar-jeff-green/comment-page-1/#comment-22797 Mitch Wed, 16 Sep 2009 17:51:53 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=4545#comment-22797 <a href="#comment-22713" rel="nofollow">@Royce</a> What I meant by "non-basketball" is that, with the exception of improving his interior defense, none of those things are about getting better. They are about playing harder and being more aggressive for longer stretches of time. That just doesn't happen. You can't change a player's mentality. Someone did a study a few years ago about rebounding rate and realized that guys do not become better rebounders. Rebounding is 90% about how much a player wants it. Sure you can say go play hard, but short bursts are different than keeping up aggressiveness over a whole season. @Royce
What I meant by “non-basketball” is that, with the exception of improving his interior defense, none of those things are about getting better. They are about playing harder and being more aggressive for longer stretches of time. That just doesn’t happen. You can’t change a player’s mentality. Someone did a study a few years ago about rebounding rate and realized that guys do not become better rebounders. Rebounding is 90% about how much a player wants it. Sure you can say go play hard, but short bursts are different than keeping up aggressiveness over a whole season.

]]> By: Jax Raging Bile Duct http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/09/setting-the-bar-jeff-green/comment-page-1/#comment-22774 Jax Raging Bile Duct Wed, 16 Sep 2009 15:20:22 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=4545#comment-22774 If Green makes no improvements at all on offense from his year last year, but he improves his defense, then that's all I want. If Green makes no improvements at all on offense from his year last year, but he improves his defense, then that’s all I want.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/09/setting-the-bar-jeff-green/comment-page-1/#comment-22747 Crow Wed, 16 Sep 2009 08:13:50 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=4545#comment-22747 Thanks Walter. I'm still going to try to keep quiet as best I can til after the season starts. But I granted myself a brief exception because I wanted to. Thanks Walter. I’m still going to try to keep quiet as best I can til after the season starts. But I granted myself a brief exception because I wanted to.

]]> By: Walter http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/09/setting-the-bar-jeff-green/comment-page-1/#comment-22745 Walter Wed, 16 Sep 2009 07:30:25 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=4545#comment-22745 Royce, count me as someone who thinks Green is not a 4 in this league. I'll qualify that by saying that he can be a 4 on this team though, in the same way that Ra Lewis was a power forward playing beside Dwight Howard. Except sadly, we don't have a Superman. I guess Presti envisions our frontline becoming 2008-9 Orlando-lite, with Durant and Green as similarly skilled forwards with a natural inclination to shoot from mid-long range. I agree in a sense with Mitch that being a grunty power forward is unlikely to be in Green's makeup if it hasn't come through already. Also, if the Orlando-lite model is to be followed, the worst centre to be paired with on our current roster is Krstic. I'm in favour of starting Green with a (healthy) Thomas/Collison, and have Thomas/Collison and Krstic to come off the bench together. Yin-yang. Offence-defence pairings. Green-Krstic offers pretty minimal d and rebounding and too much replication of favourite shooting spots - that is, not from 8 feet. It is imbalanced IMO. Apologies in advance if I have said this before. ps welcome back Crow. Royce, count me as someone who thinks Green is not a 4 in this league.

I’ll qualify that by saying that he can be a 4 on this team though, in the same way that Ra Lewis was a power forward playing beside Dwight Howard. Except sadly, we don’t have a Superman.

I guess Presti envisions our frontline becoming 2008-9 Orlando-lite, with Durant and Green as similarly skilled forwards with a natural inclination to shoot from mid-long range. I agree in a sense with Mitch that being a grunty power forward is unlikely to be in Green’s makeup if it hasn’t come through already.

Also, if the Orlando-lite model is to be followed, the worst centre to be paired with on our current roster is Krstic.

I’m in favour of starting Green with a (healthy) Thomas/Collison, and have Thomas/Collison and Krstic to come off the bench together. Yin-yang. Offence-defence pairings. Green-Krstic offers pretty minimal d and rebounding and too much replication of favourite shooting spots – that is, not from 8 feet. It is imbalanced IMO.

Apologies in advance if I have said this before.

ps welcome back Crow.

]]> By: Nix http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/09/setting-the-bar-jeff-green/comment-page-1/#comment-22728 Nix Wed, 16 Sep 2009 03:16:46 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=4545#comment-22728 <a href="#comment-22711" rel="nofollow">@Mitch</a> Did he have to be aggressive at Georgetown? I assumed Hibbert took care of much of that... @Mitch
Did he have to be aggressive at Georgetown? I assumed Hibbert took care of much of that…

]]> By: andrew http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/09/setting-the-bar-jeff-green/comment-page-1/#comment-22717 andrew Wed, 16 Sep 2009 02:13:43 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=4545#comment-22717 This is off topic, but kd, westbrook, and harden are having quite the back and forth on twitter. It is pretty funny actually. Awesome how much all these young guys seem to like each other. This is off topic, but kd, westbrook, and harden are having quite the back and forth on twitter. It is pretty funny actually. Awesome how much all these young guys seem to like each other.

]]> By: Royce http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/09/setting-the-bar-jeff-green/comment-page-1/#comment-22713 Royce Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:45:24 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=4545#comment-22713 <a href="#comment-22711" rel="nofollow">@Mitch</a> All non-basketball? How so? How is "playing better interior defense," "25 double-doubles," "average eight boards a game," and "take over 13 shots a game" non-basketball? Sure "not disappearing late" is a mental thing, but that's definitely something that can be improved. @Mitch
All non-basketball? How so? How is “playing better interior defense,” “25 double-doubles,” “average eight boards a game,” and “take over 13 shots a game” non-basketball? Sure “not disappearing late” is a mental thing, but that’s definitely something that can be improved.

]]> By: Mitch http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/09/setting-the-bar-jeff-green/comment-page-1/#comment-22711 Mitch Wed, 16 Sep 2009 01:15:37 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=4545#comment-22711 Almost all of the things that you want out of Greene are non-basketball things. They are mental. You want him to be a more aggressive player, for longer periods of time. This will never happen. It just isn't his mindset. They waited for him to show that at Georgetown and it never happened. He is not an aggressive person, and you cannot expect him to be able to change that. You can improve shooting ability, but you cannot improve tenacity for long stretches of time. Almost all of the things that you want out of Greene are non-basketball things. They are mental. You want him to be a more aggressive player, for longer periods of time. This will never happen. It just isn’t his mindset. They waited for him to show that at Georgetown and it never happened. He is not an aggressive person, and you cannot expect him to be able to change that. You can improve shooting ability, but you cannot improve tenacity for long stretches of time.

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