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		<title>By: Crow</title>
		<link>http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/07/thunder-74-bulls-80/comment-page-1/#comment-17591</link>
		<dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thunder lost by an average of 6 points. About 2 points of that was more turnovers than the opponent. Getting to the line and rebounding a little better basically canceled that out. The remaining 6 point gap from being a .500 team is from shooting and defending the shot. At least 2 points is from taking too many midrange and too few 3 point shots. Small but this a game were small things decide close games. Harden could provide the tipping point back into a better shot distribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thunder lost by an average of 6 points. About 2 points of that was more turnovers than the opponent. Getting to the line and rebounding a little better basically canceled that out. The remaining 6 point gap from being a .500 team is from shooting and defending the shot. At least 2 points is from taking too many midrange and too few 3 point shots. Small but this a game were small things decide close games. Harden could provide the tipping point back into a better shot distribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Crow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The average 3 pointer shooter in the league has a higher scoring efficiency than any midrange shooter in the league. Any, even Jason Terry, Ray Allen and Steve Nash.

It is far easier to be average or better at the 3 pointer than to shoot a mid-range shoot with an efficiency of an average basketball play including turnovers. I don&#039;t think any player in history has shot the midrange on average well enough to enough to equal the average non-midrange shot.
 
It is sometimes a necessity but to be avoided otherwise unless you are really open and can hit it at at least 50% or more. Players think they can, from what they do in practice, but they rarely do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The average 3 pointer shooter in the league has a higher scoring efficiency than any midrange shooter in the league. Any, even Jason Terry, Ray Allen and Steve Nash.</p>
<p>It is far easier to be average or better at the 3 pointer than to shoot a mid-range shoot with an efficiency of an average basketball play including turnovers. I don&#8217;t think any player in history has shot the midrange on average well enough to enough to equal the average non-midrange shot.</p>
<p>It is sometimes a necessity but to be avoided otherwise unless you are really open and can hit it at at least 50% or more. Players think they can, from what they do in practice, but they rarely do.</p>
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		<title>By: Crow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also OKC shot the midrange the worst in the league and had the 3rd most midrange attempts. So that strategy was disastrous most of the time against most teams.  

Some midrange is necessary (probably at leasst 25-30% of shots, Orland at 32%) but most teams take too many. Even some good teams.

It takes discipline but this still seems to be me to be one of the most necessary, easiest changes to improve your offensive efficiency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also OKC shot the midrange the worst in the league and had the 3rd most midrange attempts. So that strategy was disastrous most of the time against most teams.  </p>
<p>Some midrange is necessary (probably at leasst 25-30% of shots, Orland at 32%) but most teams take too many. Even some good teams.</p>
<p>It takes discipline but this still seems to be me to be one of the most necessary, easiest changes to improve your offensive efficiency.</p>
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		<title>By: Crow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought you might find that study of interest Joe.

One way to beat the Spurs might be to shoot the mid-range because they make shooting the 3 pt shot and inside so difficult (Dean Oliver thought so and advised them to do it in the playoffs for the Sonics against them a few years ago) though the other way is to be good enough to be able to get the shots you want, which are higher value then hit a good percentage.  They are playing the percentages and want you  give up and take the mid-range and hope you can beat the odds because usually you aren&#039;t going to. 

Now I guess the Thunder did for a few games but usually that is just walking right into the spider&#039;s web or the chess master&#039;s trap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought you might find that study of interest Joe.</p>
<p>One way to beat the Spurs might be to shoot the mid-range because they make shooting the 3 pt shot and inside so difficult (Dean Oliver thought so and advised them to do it in the playoffs for the Sonics against them a few years ago) though the other way is to be good enough to be able to get the shots you want, which are higher value then hit a good percentage.  They are playing the percentages and want you  give up and take the mid-range and hope you can beat the odds because usually you aren&#8217;t going to. </p>
<p>Now I guess the Thunder did for a few games but usually that is just walking right into the spider&#8217;s web or the chess master&#8217;s trap.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff Crow. That shows me a few things. I remember reading last year that the way to beat the Spurs is with the midrange game. They are good at defending the three bomb, and they are solid on interior defense, but they were soft in between. What&#039;s interesting is that the Thunder beat them twice, and had a close third game as well, but lost a fourth, so essentially a split. For a 23 win team against a 54 win team, that&#039;s significant.

And what do the Thunder shoot a lot of? Midrange shots....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff Crow. That shows me a few things. I remember reading last year that the way to beat the Spurs is with the midrange game. They are good at defending the three bomb, and they are solid on interior defense, but they were soft in between. What&#8217;s interesting is that the Thunder beat them twice, and had a close third game as well, but lost a fourth, so essentially a split. For a 23 win team against a 54 win team, that&#8217;s significant.</p>
<p>And what do the Thunder shoot a lot of? Midrange shots&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Crow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 07:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With Hardin they probably increase 3 attempts and improve 3pt FG% but how much they improve is hard to say.

Looking broader than just the 3 pointer this study 
http://www.3hoopsfans.com/category/fun-with-numbers/page/3/
says the Thunder took a shot set that had the 5th lowest expected payoff then shot the 5th worst even for an equivalent set of shots. Add poor selectionm to poor shooting and you get last place on effective field goal percentage.

The coaches need to draw up better plays, make them work, enforce the right shots by the right guys and  the players have to execute and hit them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Hardin they probably increase 3 attempts and improve 3pt FG% but how much they improve is hard to say.</p>
<p>Looking broader than just the 3 pointer this study<br />
<a href="http://www.3hoopsfans.com/category/fun-with-numbers/page/3/" rel="nofollow">http://www.3hoopsfans.com/category/fun-with-numbers/page/3/</a><br />
says the Thunder took a shot set that had the 5th lowest expected payoff then shot the 5th worst even for an equivalent set of shots. Add poor selectionm to poor shooting and you get last place on effective field goal percentage.</p>
<p>The coaches need to draw up better plays, make them work, enforce the right shots by the right guys and  the players have to execute and hit them.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 01:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-17507&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Tapdog72&lt;/a&gt; 

Your absolutely right, there is no perfect thing that if you do this, you will win. It&#039;s a collective for sure. Teams need all 4 of the 4 factors or at least 3, the first being efficiency, to have a winning scenario.

The reason why the whole three ball thing came up is because of a Hollinger article from late in the season (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1658&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;which I applied to the Thunder&lt;/a&gt;),  where he made very valid points about teams that shoot threes, regardless if they are only mediocre at it, generally win more games. Simple as that. We shot the fewest, and we shot them pretty poorly, and we didn&#039;t win a lot of games. We were the third worst percentage, and far fewest attempts.

It really comes down to efficiency. If a team embraces the judicious use of the three, it likely has better efficiency than a team that shys away from it. For example, the corner three is the best shot in the game because it is the shortest three, really just a bit longer than a long two, and you get 50% higher return on the points. So it behooves a team to put that tool in the tool box and use it when it presents itself because the return is great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-17507" rel="nofollow">@Tapdog72</a> </p>
<p>Your absolutely right, there is no perfect thing that if you do this, you will win. It&#8217;s a collective for sure. Teams need all 4 of the 4 factors or at least 3, the first being efficiency, to have a winning scenario.</p>
<p>The reason why the whole three ball thing came up is because of a Hollinger article from late in the season (<a href="http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=1658" rel="nofollow">which I applied to the Thunder</a>),  where he made very valid points about teams that shoot threes, regardless if they are only mediocre at it, generally win more games. Simple as that. We shot the fewest, and we shot them pretty poorly, and we didn&#8217;t win a lot of games. We were the third worst percentage, and far fewest attempts.</p>
<p>It really comes down to efficiency. If a team embraces the judicious use of the three, it likely has better efficiency than a team that shys away from it. For example, the corner three is the best shot in the game because it is the shortest three, really just a bit longer than a long two, and you get 50% higher return on the points. So it behooves a team to put that tool in the tool box and use it when it presents itself because the return is great.</p>
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		<title>By: Tapdog72</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tapdog72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 22:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-17424&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Crow &lt;/a&gt; There were 5 games where they shot 5+ more than the other team, we lost them all and only one was a close game, DEN 114, OKC 113 on 2/4.  In the 16 games where we were equal or better on # of attempts, we shot the higher percentage only 6 times.  On the other hand, there were several times, including one of the wins against SAS, where the opponent shot at least twice as many 3s, but we shot a much better percentage.  In the home SAS win, we made the same number of threes they did, but they attempted 19 vs. our 7.  So more attempts aren&#039;t always better, but with better shooters this year, it can&#039;t hurt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-17424" rel="nofollow">@Crow </a> There were 5 games where they shot 5+ more than the other team, we lost them all and only one was a close game, DEN 114, OKC 113 on 2/4.  In the 16 games where we were equal or better on # of attempts, we shot the higher percentage only 6 times.  On the other hand, there were several times, including one of the wins against SAS, where the opponent shot at least twice as many 3s, but we shot a much better percentage.  In the home SAS win, we made the same number of threes they did, but they attempted 19 vs. our 7.  So more attempts aren&#8217;t always better, but with better shooters this year, it can&#8217;t hurt.</p>
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		<title>By: Crow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Summer league reminds that compared to most draft picks below 20 there are lots of guys with equivalent stats out there looking for the minimum. It really takes a fine eye to  pick one who makes a difference. Ibaka and Mullens are exotic but they still have to produce. White was more conventional and far more likely to work out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Summer league reminds that compared to most draft picks below 20 there are lots of guys with equivalent stats out there looking for the minimum. It really takes a fine eye to  pick one who makes a difference. Ibaka and Mullens are exotic but they still have to produce. White was more conventional and far more likely to work out.</p>
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		<title>By: Crow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I know you were for Blair big as were others. I was more on Pendergraph but I know you and others liked him too. Mullens had more limited support.  He is a Presti pick.

Blair may have gotten $2.6 million over 4 years with the 4th year partially guaranteed but it is still a bargain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I know you were for Blair big as were others. I was more on Pendergraph but I know you and others liked him too. Mullens had more limited support.  He is a Presti pick.</p>
<p>Blair may have gotten $2.6 million over 4 years with the 4th year partially guaranteed but it is still a bargain.</p>
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