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		<title>By: Royce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Royce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10925&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Anonymous&lt;/a&gt; 
No need for apologies. I&#039;d probably feel the same way on the other end of it. It was just something I was thinking about while people were flaunting the Lakers&#039; 15th title.</description>
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No need for apologies. I&#8217;d probably feel the same way on the other end of it. It was just something I was thinking about while people were flaunting the Lakers&#8217; 15th title.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10895&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Royce&lt;/a&gt; 
Reasonable enough, Royce. Please forgive my knee-jerk reaction. The question &quot;Too soon?&quot; seems to apply.</description>
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Reasonable enough, Royce. Please forgive my knee-jerk reaction. The question &#8220;Too soon?&#8221; seems to apply.</p>
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		<title>By: Royce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Royce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10891&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Anonymous &lt;/a&gt; 
Again, it&#039;s not like I&#039;m printing up 1979 Thunder championship shirts. Just by chance if the Thunder wins a title in the next 50 years, I would say we have two titles instead of one.

I don&#039;t brag about it or ever even think about it. But I had always thought that wasn&#039;t part of this franchise. Now I see it could be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-10891" rel="nofollow">@Anonymous </a><br />
Again, it&#8217;s not like I&#8217;m printing up 1979 Thunder championship shirts. Just by chance if the Thunder wins a title in the next 50 years, I would say we have two titles instead of one.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t brag about it or ever even think about it. But I had always thought that wasn&#8217;t part of this franchise. Now I see it could be.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So if that counts, then I’m ready and fully willing to take that 1979 NBA title and count it. I didn’t feel right about it before, but seeing as one of the greatest sports franchises ever is doing it, I guess it is alright.&quot;

That&#039;s a pretty lame justification for claiming a team&#039;s 30-year-old title when it was in a different city and the existing team having a moderate-at-best connection to the championship team. Just saying. I&#039;m glad you feel better about claiming it now because you already supposedly did but felt bad. Wonder why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So if that counts, then I’m ready and fully willing to take that 1979 NBA title and count it. I didn’t feel right about it before, but seeing as one of the greatest sports franchises ever is doing it, I guess it is alright.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a pretty lame justification for claiming a team&#8217;s 30-year-old title when it was in a different city and the existing team having a moderate-at-best connection to the championship team. Just saying. I&#8217;m glad you feel better about claiming it now because you already supposedly did but felt bad. Wonder why.</p>
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		<title>By: J.G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10739&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@p &lt;/a&gt; 
If you haven&#039;t read the Mock Draft I did for the DailyThunder, then I can see how you&#039;d think it was just one game for Thabeet. But it wasn&#039;t. 

Here&#039;s an excerpt:

&quot;Here&#039;s the giant red flag with drafting Thabeet: 9.8 points, 6.4 rebounds, 3.4 blocks. Those are Thabeet’s stats when he played against potential first round big men in Dejuan Blair and Greg Monroe (2010 Draft now) and second round-to-undrafted big men in Josh Heytvelt (mid second round) and Goran Suton (late second round/undrafted). 

When Thabeet doesn&#039;t play against a legitimate big man, he posts numbers of 13.6 points, 10.8 rebounds and 4.2 blocks. That&#039;s a significant drop in points (3.8), rebounds (4.4) and even blocks (.8). Those numbers basically sum up my greatest fear with Thabeet: Any time he comes up against someone anywhere near his size and strength, he gets bodied and dominated. And guess what, that’s all he’ll see in the NBA.&quot;

So basically, when you look at it, the fear is that Thabeet is just a great shotblocker...and his competitive numbers support that analysis if you look at more than just one game, a la, his entire career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-10739" rel="nofollow">@p </a><br />
If you haven&#8217;t read the Mock Draft I did for the DailyThunder, then I can see how you&#8217;d think it was just one game for Thabeet. But it wasn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an excerpt:</p>
<p>&#8220;Here&#8217;s the giant red flag with drafting Thabeet: 9.8 points, 6.4 rebounds, 3.4 blocks. Those are Thabeet’s stats when he played against potential first round big men in Dejuan Blair and Greg Monroe (2010 Draft now) and second round-to-undrafted big men in Josh Heytvelt (mid second round) and Goran Suton (late second round/undrafted). </p>
<p>When Thabeet doesn&#8217;t play against a legitimate big man, he posts numbers of 13.6 points, 10.8 rebounds and 4.2 blocks. That&#8217;s a significant drop in points (3.8), rebounds (4.4) and even blocks (.8). Those numbers basically sum up my greatest fear with Thabeet: Any time he comes up against someone anywhere near his size and strength, he gets bodied and dominated. And guess what, that’s all he’ll see in the NBA.&#8221;</p>
<p>So basically, when you look at it, the fear is that Thabeet is just a great shotblocker&#8230;and his competitive numbers support that analysis if you look at more than just one game, a la, his entire career.</p>
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		<title>By: p</title>
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		<dc:creator>p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-10633&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10633&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;daniel&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
‘Rowdy celebrations in Los Angeles after Lakers win championship’
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=4427&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=4427&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
“Hundreds celebrated in the streets outside Staples Center after the Los Angeles Lakers’ NBA title win Sunday night, with some revelers damaging police cruisers, throwing rocks and bottles at officers and setting bonfires in the street, authorities said. About 25 people were arrested, most part of a rowdy crowd that split off on to surrounding streets after police declared the gathering an unlawful assembly, officer Karen Rayner said. Several police cruisers were damaged and reinforcement officers were called in from throughout the city to help disperse the crowd, Rayner said. Aerial television footage showed people jumping on a police car, rocking vehicles attempting to pass through the crowd, setting small trees on fire and throwing fireworks and flares set up by police. No injuries were reported. A gas station was looted and several cars, buses and a news van were vandalized, police said.”
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That is nauseating. What a disgrace.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

it seems this is the norm for championship celebrations nowadays ... the Phillies world series win was an exact replica ... when i saw that people were flipping cars &amp; throwing bottles, i decided to stay home ... 

i guess people are in desperate need to show destructive &amp; lawless behavior &amp; they are just looking for a reason.</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-10633" rel="nofollow">daniel</a> :</strong><br />
‘Rowdy celebrations in Los Angeles after Lakers win championship’<br />
<a href="http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=4427" rel="nofollow">http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=4427</a></p>
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“Hundreds celebrated in the streets outside Staples Center after the Los Angeles Lakers’ NBA title win Sunday night, with some revelers damaging police cruisers, throwing rocks and bottles at officers and setting bonfires in the street, authorities said. About 25 people were arrested, most part of a rowdy crowd that split off on to surrounding streets after police declared the gathering an unlawful assembly, officer Karen Rayner said. Several police cruisers were damaged and reinforcement officers were called in from throughout the city to help disperse the crowd, Rayner said. Aerial television footage showed people jumping on a police car, rocking vehicles attempting to pass through the crowd, setting small trees on fire and throwing fireworks and flares set up by police. No injuries were reported. A gas station was looted and several cars, buses and a news van were vandalized, police said.”
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<p>That is nauseating. What a disgrace.
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<p>it seems this is the norm for championship celebrations nowadays &#8230; the Phillies world series win was an exact replica &#8230; when i saw that people were flipping cars &amp; throwing bottles, i decided to stay home &#8230; </p>
<p>i guess people are in desperate need to show destructive &amp; lawless behavior &amp; they are just looking for a reason.</p>
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		<title>By: p</title>
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		<dc:creator>p</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-10683&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10683&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wilson&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10681&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@cody white&lt;/a&gt;
Wow, what a thorough argument… This horse is dead and buried. Thabeet is a MAJOR risk at best and his defense is mediocre against relative talent (see the Blair beat down). NEXT!!!!
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


that was ONE game against blair ... he had a double double with 5 blocks in the next matchup! ... &amp; blair&#039;s team was pretty good too! 
you&#039;re gonna measure a player based on his worst game of the season?
while at the same time measuring prospects based on workouts in an empty gym with no defenders!?...</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-10683" rel="nofollow">Wilson</a> :</strong><br />
<a href="#comment-10681" rel="nofollow">@cody white</a><br />
Wow, what a thorough argument… This horse is dead and buried. Thabeet is a MAJOR risk at best and his defense is mediocre against relative talent (see the Blair beat down). NEXT!!!!
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<p>that was ONE game against blair &#8230; he had a double double with 5 blocks in the next matchup! &#8230; &amp; blair&#8217;s team was pretty good too!<br />
you&#8217;re gonna measure a player based on his worst game of the season?<br />
while at the same time measuring prospects based on workouts in an empty gym with no defenders!?&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kev</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-10727&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Crow &lt;/a&gt; 


excellent points, Crow.  That&#039;s why I am not high on the majority of players.  It&#039;s usually hype over substance.</description>
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<p>excellent points, Crow.  That&#8217;s why I am not high on the majority of players.  It&#8217;s usually hype over substance.</p>
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		<title>By: Crow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drafts probably have more mistakes than good calls (because of multiple GMs missing on turns out to be good players).

For the Gortat believers you might not want to hear this. Seattle had two swings in the late 2nd round on 2005 before Gortat was drafted (he didn&#039;t come over right away) 57th. They used 48 on Gelabale (not bad) and 55 on Lawrence Roberts and sold him to Jerry West and the Griz. Amir Johnson was 56. Not bad normally but in retrospect a mistake. 

Presti and Spurs took Mahinmi at 28. David Lee went 30th.  Even highly regarded insiders make odd decisions,  in retrospect or even at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drafts probably have more mistakes than good calls (because of multiple GMs missing on turns out to be good players).</p>
<p>For the Gortat believers you might not want to hear this. Seattle had two swings in the late 2nd round on 2005 before Gortat was drafted (he didn&#8217;t come over right away) 57th. They used 48 on Gelabale (not bad) and 55 on Lawrence Roberts and sold him to Jerry West and the Griz. Amir Johnson was 56. Not bad normally but in retrospect a mistake. </p>
<p>Presti and Spurs took Mahinmi at 28. David Lee went 30th.  Even highly regarded insiders make odd decisions,  in retrospect or even at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Crow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 06:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clay will essentially get to answer that question, starting anywhere from 1-3 years from now.  What will be the cutoff point for &quot;I&#039;m happy&quot; or not? Not here yet but the clock is moving pretty quickly to that time.  How patient and long-term is their thinking and faith?  Good teams take time, especially when you decide to try to do it almost entirely from scratch.  But at some point you see indications you are on the right track. Whether  a few good weeks here and there in season 2 is enough already to produce that feeling or maybe  a full pretty good season in year 3 or 4 is needed will vary by the person. Good weeks or months probably aren&#039;t enough in year 3 I don&#039;t think and certainly  they shouldn&#039;t be by year 4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clay will essentially get to answer that question, starting anywhere from 1-3 years from now.  What will be the cutoff point for &#8220;I&#8217;m happy&#8221; or not? Not here yet but the clock is moving pretty quickly to that time.  How patient and long-term is their thinking and faith?  Good teams take time, especially when you decide to try to do it almost entirely from scratch.  But at some point you see indications you are on the right track. Whether  a few good weeks here and there in season 2 is enough already to produce that feeling or maybe  a full pretty good season in year 3 or 4 is needed will vary by the person. Good weeks or months probably aren&#8217;t enough in year 3 I don&#8217;t think and certainly  they shouldn&#8217;t be by year 4.</p>
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