Comments on: Draft prospects by the numbers http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/06/draft-prospects-by-the-numbers/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 12:55:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/06/draft-prospects-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-10267 Crow Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:32:10 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=2767#comment-10267 Should have said On PER Holiday and DeRozan are very weak... for a potential top 5-10 pick, compared to the others contending for that rank. They are still good. Should have said

On PER Holiday and DeRozan are very weak… for a potential top 5-10 pick, compared to the others contending for that rank. They are still good.

]]> By: Sammy http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/06/draft-prospects-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-10227 Sammy Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:16:43 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=2767#comment-10227 <a href="#comment-10189" rel="nofollow">@Crow</a> I'd like to get Bryant into camp. He does play in a weak conference, but he did what you would want him to do: he destroyed them. He's also lost 90lbs since freshman year so we know he can stick to a training regimen. He's got some pretty good back-to-the-basket moves and he definitely has the frame to bang down low. @Crow
I’d like to get Bryant into camp. He does play in a weak conference, but he did what you would want him to do: he destroyed them. He’s also lost 90lbs since freshman year so we know he can stick to a training regimen. He’s got some pretty good back-to-the-basket moves and he definitely has the frame to bang down low.

]]> By: Kev http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/06/draft-prospects-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-10200 Kev Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:34:09 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=2767#comment-10200 Good point Crow - Derozan and Holiday are weak for multiple reasons . . . Good point Crow – Derozan and Holiday are weak for multiple reasons . . .

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/06/draft-prospects-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-10194 Crow Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:16:36 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=2767#comment-10194 On PER Holiday and DeRozan are very weak. Marcus Thornton might make a decent pickup at 25 if they don't go shooting guard early. On PER Holiday and DeRozan are very weak.
Marcus Thornton might make a decent pickup at 25 if they don’t go shooting guard early.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/06/draft-prospects-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-10193 Crow Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:09:02 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=2767#comment-10193 At 195 lbs he won't be a flea easily moved At 195 lbs he won’t be a flea easily moved

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/06/draft-prospects-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-10192 Crow Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:06:28 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=2767#comment-10192 Subtracting any stats compiled against non-Division 1 competition is a good idea and some would go even further and focus mostly on games against top 65 in NCAA or perhaps using a formula to weight the stats based on RPI of opponent. But the game is very different... Lawson just a small amount behind Harden and DeRozan for best 2pt FG% for perimeter players but way ahead of them from 3 pt land. Lawson may have had it easy playing for UNC but that is as close to being on a pro team as anyone gets in college and he led it fine so this could be seen as demonstrating abilty to do so in the pros though playing pros will be way tougher than college teams. Lawson is light years ahead of any other NCAA draft option as a pure passer and pass first over shoot mentality. He rarely fouls, was high on steals and only 3 players in the draft got to the line more often per possession used (he was slightly better than Harden and got there at a rate 2/3rds higher than Curry (Curry just had more usage). By the college numbers I can't see why Lawson is being discounted. But add in size and combine results teams are. Too much so I'd guess. Subtracting any stats compiled against non-Division 1 competition is a good idea and some would go even further and focus mostly on games against top 65 in NCAA or perhaps using a formula to weight the stats based on RPI of opponent.

But the game is very different…

Lawson just a small amount behind Harden and DeRozan for best 2pt FG% for perimeter players but way ahead of them from 3 pt land. Lawson may have had it easy playing for UNC but that is as close to being on a pro team as anyone gets in college and he led it fine so this could be seen as demonstrating abilty to do so in the pros though playing pros will be way tougher than college teams. Lawson is light years ahead of any other NCAA draft option as a pure passer and pass first over shoot mentality. He rarely fouls, was high on steals and only 3 players in the draft got to the line more often per possession used (he was slightly better than Harden and got there at a rate 2/3rds higher than Curry (Curry just had more usage). By the college numbers I can’t see why Lawson is being discounted. But add in size and combine results teams are. Too much so I’d guess.

]]> By: Crow http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/06/draft-prospects-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-10189 Crow Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:31:51 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=2767#comment-10189 Nix, DR% is indeed % of total rebounds available at that end of the court that a defender rebounded. John Bryant is rated 9th best center draft option but that is out of ten total and draftexpress has no detailed writeup. I assume he is in a weak conference? Not invited to combine. Might indeed not be considered sufficiently an NBA athlete. Probably will be available for a training camp invite if somebody thinks there is a chance. Has a top 10 agent so at least the agent thinks there is a chance to make some money. Aaron Gray got a job. Nix, DR% is indeed % of total rebounds available at that end of the court that a defender rebounded.

John Bryant is rated 9th best center draft option but that is out of ten total and draftexpress has no detailed writeup. I assume he is in a weak conference? Not invited to combine. Might indeed not be considered sufficiently an NBA athlete. Probably will be available for a training camp invite if somebody thinks there is a chance. Has a top 10 agent so at least the agent thinks there is a chance to make some money. Aaron Gray got a job.

]]> By: Sammy http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/06/draft-prospects-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-10175 Sammy Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:35:09 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=2767#comment-10175 Anyone know what the deal is with John Bryant? His numbers are beastly. Small school and lack of athleticism aside, I can't figure out why he isn't on anyone's board, even in the second round. Seems like a potential second round sleeper unless I'm just missing something completely. Here's his only Youtube reel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSRUmYXswpg Nice back to the basket game. Sure, doesn't look like he plays above the rim much, but he's got size and footwork. Are teams just that convinced that he doesn't have the athleticism to succeed in the NBA? Anyone know what the deal is with John Bryant? His numbers are beastly. Small school and lack of athleticism aside, I can’t figure out why he isn’t on anyone’s board, even in the second round. Seems like a potential second round sleeper unless I’m just missing something completely. Here’s his only Youtube reel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSRUmYXswpg

Nice back to the basket game. Sure, doesn’t look like he plays above the rim much, but he’s got size and footwork. Are teams just that convinced that he doesn’t have the athleticism to succeed in the NBA?

]]> By: Nix http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/06/draft-prospects-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-10174 Nix Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:34:12 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=2767#comment-10174 <a href="#comment-10172" rel="nofollow">@hoopinion </a> Oh the information is excellent... I believe i'm just not good at navigating spread sheets and really boiling down what the information means to me. The only question I have is if you have a key for it. I'm guess DR% = defenseive rebound % ? (stuff like that...maybe even the forumulas) but obviously you would hope the people surfing through the stats are going to know what they're looking at. I just happen to be the guy who doesn't. @hoopinion
Oh the information is excellent…

I believe i’m just not good at navigating spread sheets and really boiling down what the information means to me. The only question I have is if you have a key for it.

I’m guess DR% = defenseive rebound % ? (stuff like that…maybe even the forumulas) but obviously you would hope the people surfing through the stats are going to know what they’re looking at.

I just happen to be the guy who doesn’t.

]]> By: hoopinion http://www.dailythunder.com/2009/06/draft-prospects-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-10172 hoopinion Tue, 09 Jun 2009 19:56:41 +0000 http://www.dailythunder.com/?p=2767#comment-10172 <a href="#comment-10170" rel="nofollow">@Nix</a> If you have any particular questions, please ask and I'll do my best to make the data more useful than it may initially be in this presentation. @Nix
If you have any particular questions, please ask and I’ll do my best to make the data more useful than it may initially be in this presentation.

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