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Some telling stats for Russell Westbrook and his point guard-ness

During a search for stats to answer a question Nix had in the comments (and I still don’t have an answer to that and I doubt I ever will - turned out to be a lot of work), I came across some pretty interesting numbers for Russell Westbrook. We all know his shot selection could be at times very poor and sometimes he didn’t have the look of a point guard trying to set up teammates, but rather a scoring point trying to find his own. And one stat really backs that up.

Last season, Westbrook took 51 percent of his shots 10 or fewer seconds into the shot clock (24-15 remaining on the 24). Compare that to the elite point men in the league – Chris Paul took 40 percent of his shots in 10 seconds or under, Deron Williams 36, Tony Parker 31, Chauncey Billups 41, Derrick Rose 42 and Rajon Rondo 43.  Westbrook was at least eight percent higher than the next closest of that group.

Now it’s easier for a point guard to take shots early in the clock, because they have the ball first. But Russ taking so many shots early shows his “shoot first, pass later” mentality. It’s something that he absolutely has to overcome if he wants to be a successful point guard in this league. I thought the last month and half he was much, much better at looking to set his teammates up first and looking to shoot later, but he sacrificed his ability to score and his efficiency numbers took a hit. He’s a scoring point guard, whichever way you want to look at it. But he can also be a guy that makes players better around him too.

I can’t be sure without looking through every single player, but I think Westbrook might be top in the league in this category. Now understand that pace has a lot to do with this though. OKC was the 8th fastest team in the league and teams like New Orleans, San Antonio, Utah and Boston were very slow. So that’s a factor. Chris Duhon took 50 percent of his shots 10 seconds or under in to the shot clock in New York’s system. But then again, Steve Nash was at 40 percent. In fact, the seven teams that were faster than OKC and their point guards:  Jamal Crawford 49/Monta Ellis 44, Duhon 50, Nash 40, T.J. Ford 45, Billups, 41, Beno Udrih 38 and Derek Fisher 41. Westbrook was higher than every single one of them. Hmm, hmm and hmm.

Now don’t be mistaken, almost EVERY player in the league takes the bulk of his shots at least 10 seconds in. LeBron was at 35 percent. Kobe 37. Dwight Howard 38. Danny Granger 44. Dwyane Wade 42. Kevin Durant 42. Dirk was unusual at 29. And point guards, as I said, are typically the higest in that category on the team. But it says something that Westbrook is the highest point guard in the league, and maybe the highest player period in the league. He rushes shots and sometimes is overanxious. He always seemed a little indecisive when left open. It seemed like his instinct said “Shoot it!” while his new point guard brain tried to say “Hold on just one second and look around!”

Now does this mean that Westbrook’s not a point guard and never will be one? No, absolutely not. This is one season in what will hopefully be a long 15-year career. Things will begin to turn for Westbrook as he continues to learn the game. He’s an interesting talent – a true tweener that doesn’t really fit either position but is talented enough to be one of the best young players in the league. Kind of odd, isn’t it? He really doesn’t fit anything perfectly, but yet, he’s a really, really good player. But game management and shot selection are clearly things he needs work on. I’ve written about it a bunch and we’ve all discussed it a lot. But this stat really shows some of his main defienciencies as a true point guard. But lucky for us, this is absolutely something you can teach with game film and repetition. All is not lost, not by a long shot.

I know we all go round and round about whether or not Westbrook is the point guard of the future. And I’m a little wishy-washy because I’m in the “wait and see” boat. I think he’s got a lot of learning to do, but he has the tools to be a good one. You’ve got to think back on other point guards and their rookie seasons. They had some low moments too. Tony Parker was no where near the player his rookie campaign that he is today. Same for Williams, Billups, Nash, Devin Harris or most anyone else. Players get better. It’s just kind of the way it works.

It’s a process with Russ and the fact that he had such a quality rookie season while also doing a lot of things wrong should tell you something about his ability. He’s an interesting player and we might not know what his exact role will be until maybe the end of next season. Or heck, maybe even the season after that. You can’t judge a player and his worth after one rookie season. You just can’t. Of course there are things he needed to do better (game management being one of many), but that doesn’t mean it’s time to abandon ship and go another direction. He thinks he’s a point guard. He wants to be one. And for a guy playing it for the first time full-time in his life against the absolute best players in the world, I’d say he did a pretty decent job.

Westbrook has a place on this team, but just don’t really know where yet. He could be a dynamic point guard. He could be a quality scoring two-guard. Or he could do both. I don’t really care which one it is as long as it helps the team win. And I’m sure Russ would say the same thing.

(And just because I was looking, a couple other stats that I thought were neato:

Other than Tony Parker, Westbrook was the only point guard in that above group to have more ball handling turnovers than bad passes. Westbrook 95 turnovers due to a bad pass and 144 because of poor ball handling. Chris Paul had 113 bad passes and 83 ball handling turnovers. Deron Williams was 134/78. Rajon Rondo was 129/59. Steve Nash 196/47. Parker was 71/101. Derrick Rose 106/84. Chauncey Billups 95/57. So many of Westbrook’s turns were plays where he got into the lane and lost the ball going up recklessly at the rim. He got stripped a ton going to the rack. He has got to be stronger with the ball next year.

One other thing is that Westbrook draws more fouls than any other point guard. He drew 180 fouls this season and the next closest point guard was Tony Parker with 164. In all of Westbrook’s faults, that is one thing he does extremely well. He gets by his man, forces the defense to collapse on him and he draws a foul. And he does it without flopping. Now once he can figure out how to consistently beat his man and then drop off a nice pass setting up a teammate, then we’ve got something serious here.)

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@Nix
That's kind of how I read it too. From watching Russ all season, I don't think he has the intention to take the shot by himself. It's not like he shot the ball an absurd amount this year. He was on par with all other point guards really.

It's just that he wasn't sure what to do once he beat his man. As I've written before, he doesn't have that slow-down-and-look gear yet. It was almost like he panicked in the lane and most times decided to shoot instead of either rounding out through the lane (like Steve Nash or Chris Paul) or just making a kick out. I think he'll learn that.

The fact is, no matter who OKC takes - Rubio, Harden, Thabeet - Westbrook is still going to see major time at the point. It's not like he'll just hop over and stay at the two-guard for forever. Scott Brooks likes two point guards on the floor at the same time. So Russ will get his fill no matter what. And the fact Brooks can do that is a major advantage.

@Clark Matthews
I don't know about the alpha dog thing. You definitely didn't see that from him at UCLA. He said he never scored more then 30 points in his career till this year.

I think he 'needs' the ball in his hands so he can drive and dish. The same way Tony Parker needs the ball in his hands. CP3 slows you down and makes a great pass from people coming out of screens. Tony Parker blows by you and dishes out to the open man. RW is more comparable to Tony Parker then the Chris Paul/Derron Williams type. (Not saying CP3 doesn't drive and dish)

I honestly think RW has driven with the intent to pass out, but hasn't developed enough to find the open man. In turn, he jacks up a shot in the first 10 seconds of the clock.

Nice research. Another thing that worries me about Westbrook is that management seems to be worried that he would bristle at being moved to the two. Reporters have intimated that they think he needs to ball in his hands to be successful. That's bad in two ways. A) It says that Westbrook probably wants to be the alpha dog on the team since he wants the offense run through him (and even idiots know that job is taken by Durant) and B) your stat shows he doesn't want the ball so he can distribute it.

Regarding Nix's earlier question about games where Westbrook shots above a certain % from outside, if you can get this page to load (won't for me right now) http://www.nba.com/hotspots/ you could then I think click on each spot and select and copy and paste all the game by game data to a spreadsheet then sort by game date and determine the games where he met the outside shooting criteria and then calculate his pt avg for those games. If it was worth it to you.

@Alex
Good find Alex. Consider it bolted. :)

That type of stuff makes me happy.

Did you guys see Joe Smith giving some major love to OKC?

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=12781

Good article. I think it goes toward explaining why I'm high on Westbrook as a PG in the future -- the problems he had last year are easily explainable and (somewhat) easily corrected. It's not an issue of whether he's athletic enough for the league, or whether he cares enough about winning, or whether he can develop additional skills.

Hell,if we're figuring out what needs improvement, then Brooks -- who had a 10-year career in the league with about 10% of Westbrook's athleticism -- is figuring it out too. And Westbrook seems like the type to learn, to listen (most of the time), and to improve.

@Ty
Ben Gordon 45 percent for the season (pretty high number). I don't have his playoff numbers.

Do you know what the percent for Ben Gordon is for the season and playoffs???

I'm not surprised by the number. Most of us have seen all of his games this year, to me it's a rhythm/intuition thing. He's bringing the ball down the court, the defender is setting up against him, and is checking left and right, trying not to turn his head, looking for the screen that is going to come from Green or Krstic or Collison that is going to crush him. That is the instant that Westbrook either shoots or drives. He doesn't even wait for the screen a lot of the time. I think he feels he has "rhythm" and the shot will go down. Or he sees a big lane. If he drives and shoots a layin or dunk in the first ten seconds of the shot clock, that shot also counts toward that 50% you are talking about as well.

I think he's just a guy that calls his own number a certain amount at this time of his career based on his "feel" for the flow of the game and his offense. It is the coaching staff's job to help him realize that there is a balance to a team sport.

Lebron is finding out the hard way that just calling your own number doesn't always help your team win...even if your Lebron.

Yeah sorry about the confusion. I'm embarrassed.

Here you go Nix:
As a team, the Thunder took 40 percent of its shots 10 seconds or under into the 24 second clock. 24 percent at the 11-15 second mark, 23 percent at the 16-20 mark and 13 percent at 21 seconds plus.

For a comparison, the Knicks took 45 percent 10 seconds or under into the 24, the Magic 37 percent, the Lakers 40 percent and the Cavs 31 percent. So Russell Westbrook's 51 percent is pretty high considering what the team average is.

Nice research. I wonder if the 51% could be due to defenders giving up the outside shot in lieu of getting beaten off the dribble? Kd not open, jg not open, I got an open 20 footer, u better respect my shot fool.

@nick
Correct...He takes 51% of his shots within the first 10 seconds of the clock. Meaning between 24 & 14 on the clock. I was confused at first as well.

@Royce
Can you do that stat for the whole team? Meaning, what's the entire team's percentage of shots within the first 10 seconds?

so ... just checking ... he takes to many EARLY shots, yes? not late in the shot clock when he has little choice otherwise, which are more easily excused.
and that turnover stat is interesting. he definitely needs to work on ballhandling and shielding the ball on drives to the basket to get that number down. i will take the positive that he doesn't throw too many bad passes though.

Nice find Royce. I've never considered searching by the shot clock stat before.

And the number of fouls drawn for a PG is a stat that is difficult to find. Only 82games has it that I can see, and you can't construct your own search with it. I'd like to see what the all time record is for a PG.

@Royce
Oh wow...that clears it up for me for sure.

Geez, That is insane. I bet we would prefer not to be in the top 8 pace, but I wonder how much of that rests on RW (probably most of it).

You also have to take into account rebounds/steals leading to fast breaks for Russ.

Kev :
good column (as usual) . . .
You illustrated Westbrook’s main issue - if he sees three people in the lane, he can’t try and be SUPERMAN and try to go 1 on 3 - he has to take the ball in and dish to an open guy . . .

Exactly Kev. When things break down, it seems Russ would try and take it on himself to make it happen, instead of letting the offense flow. I don't think he always realized that when you have Kevin Durant on your team, good offense is just one pass away.

@Kyle
You're right. I didn't word that properly. Thanks for the heads up. I'm kind of an idiot sometimes.

so RW has as many bad pass as billups?
I am impressed.

Great work! I actually think RW had alot of no calls against him that he should have gotten.

You could also say that some of the 51% is from busted plays and lack of a true SG. People really just had to deny Durant the ball and body up on Green for defense last year (largely).

Royce, you were a little unclear with your wording.

"Westbrook took 51 percent of his shots with 10 or fewer seconds on the shot clock"

From this sentence it sounds like the actual clock was reading 10 or fewer, as in 10,9,8,7,6... etc. However, from the article it seems as though you are talking about how he is taking it between 24-14 seconds on the clock, so the FIRST 10 seconds of the clock. Is that right? Sorry that I'm confused but figured it was kind of weird wording and I might not be the only one wandering. I think you should say he shot his 51% within the first 10 seconds of the shot clock...

Maybe you meant it the other way but I figured since you said this makes him a shoot first point guard it would be this way.

good column (as usual) . . .

You illustrated Westbrook's main issue - if he sees three people in the lane, he can't try and be SUPERMAN and try to go 1 on 3 - he has to take the ball in and dish to an open guy . . .