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Monday Bolts – 5.18.09

Tomorrow night I will be busting out another live running diary for the lottery. Last time was a smashing success thunderbolt2311(well, as much as it could be). It will be an open discussion thread of sorts as well, so be sure to by here to discuss the heartbreak victory.

HoopsWorld has the top eight players most likely to be traded: “Earl Watson and Chucky Atkins – The cliché says the hardest two positions to fill are point guard and center. While that’s not always true, Earl Watson is a veteran guard in the last year of his contract playing for a young team that simply doesn’t need him. He defends well, looks for his teammates and is relatively low maintenance. The Oklahoma City Thunder are one of the few teams with significant cap room this summer. In addition to Watson’s $6.6 million contract, Chucky Atkins is only guaranteed $760,000 of his $3.48 million salary. The Thunder can spend on the free agent market. They can make deals where the incoming salaries are far greater than the outgoing. They can cut Atkins to increase their own cap space or send him out in trade (either alone or with Watson). With a bright young roster including Kevin Durant, Jeff Green and Russell Westbrook, Oklahoma City could vastly improve their team this summer. The Thunder should have plenty of callers from teams looking for fiscal saving and/or a veteran point in Watson. Both players are eligible to be moved at any point this offseason.”

Chris Silva from the team site attempts to explain the lottery: “The Thunder will receive anywhere between the No. 1 through No. 7 draft selections. By now, you’ve already heard that the Thunder’s odds of landing the top overall pick in the draft are just 11.9 percent. That’s just a gentler way of saying the Thunder has an 88.1 percent chance of NOT drawing the top pick. So, should the Thunder not receive the top pick, it really shouldn’t come as a surprise. The Thunder has a 12.57 percent chance of nabbing the second overall pick, a 13.24 percent chance of getting the third pick, a 9.98 percent chance of landing the fourth pick, a 34.99 percent chance of getting the fifth pick (its highest percentage for a pick), a 16.05 percent chance of having the sixth pick and a 1.26 percent chance of ending up with the seventh pick. But before your brain goes into overdrive with all these possible scenarios, heed this: the Thunder will get a good player wherever it falls in the lottery, whether it keeps or trades the pick. It’s a valuable asset to have. And it’s a pretty simple concept to grasp.”

Evidently, the Knicks would take Rubio over Griffin if given the chance: “If the Knicks beat the odds and surge to No. 1 or 2, they are expected to take Spanish point guard Ricky Rubio, the 19-year-old phenom whom Mike D’Antoni faced in the 2008 Olympics. Blake Griffin, the bullish Oklahoma forward, is the consensus No. 1 pick, but the Knicks prefer the Spanish playmaker. UConn 7-foot-3 center Hasheem Thabeet is the consensus third pick and could fill the Knicks’ glaring lack of shot blocking.” Seems like pretty strong speculation. I can understand D’Antoni trying to find another Steve Nash, but he needs another Amare Stoudemire to make it all work too.

Dime’s Andrew Katz says that could be a horrible mistake by the Knicks: “Right now, they reportedly prefer Spanish PG Ricky Rubio at No. 1 over OU’s terminator Blake Griffin. No matter what people say about the mediocre track record of big men taken at the top of the draft board, make no mistake about Griffin – he’s going to be an all-star multiple times over.Realistically, the Knicks won’t have to worry about making the choice between these two guys. But the notion that they’d pass up a guy who has proven to be a blend between Amar’e Stoudemire and Karl Malone for someone who is rumored to be another Pistol Pete is downright stupid.”

HoopsWorld’s consensus mock, v. 2.0: “Nobody is questioning Ricky Rubio’s status as the draft’s second-most intriguing prospect. However, the issue of his buyout from DKV Joventut is something that people are disagreeing over. Based on current exchange rates, Rubio’s buyout could be worth nearly $8 million. Making matters worse is that the issue might end up in international court since Rubio’s signature is not on his Spanish contract (his parents signed in his place). With teams such as the Wizards and Clippers already heavily invested in the point guard position, Rubio could potentially slide in the draft. He is too talented to fall far, but don’t be surprised if the Thunder land Rubio and slide Russell Westbrook over to shooting guard. One of the advantages of taking Westbrook in last year’s lottery means that G.M. Sam Presti can take a shooting guard or point guard without fear of overloading any one position. This means that DeMar DeRozan, Brandon Jennings, Tyreke Evans, Jrue Holliday and James Harden are all fair game for the Thunder.” I’m curious about this whole thing because the most a team can give is $500,000 to Rubio’s buyout. So what’s it matter? Is the concern simply contact negotiations if he’s a top two pick?

Hoops Daily has updated its “value board” and KD ranks sixth in the league: “If you were wondering what to nickname Durant, behold. The 24 foot layup.” Also, Russell Westbrook came in 29th: “Nobody knows what Westbrook is, but everybody knows that kid has some serious potential.” And of course, Uncle Jeff was forgotten as usual and left off.

The Kings of Leon guested on Jay Leno Friday night and paid wonderful homage to Wayman Tisdale during their performance. I’m not a fan and couldn’t tell you a single song they have, but that’s very, very cool. RIP Wayman.

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SI looks at who should draft who: “James Harden, 6-5 sophomore guard, Arizona State. “He would be good in Oklahoma City because he would give them a second scorer,” the scout said. “He’d be a nice 2 for them, and they have a need at shooting guard. Harden’s got a great basketball IQ, he can really pass and he has the fundamentals of coming from a good program where he was well-coached. The Thunder have been drafting from programs like UCLA [with Russell Westbrook], Georgetown [Jeff Green] and Texas [Kevin Durant], so he fits that profile. And he fills a need.” Harden is one of those players who could vanish if he goes to the wrong team. He’s a blend player who won’t necessarily put up huge numbers but will know how to help teammates. He might also fit nicely in the backcourt of the Raptors or the Knicks, who favor the fluid European style. The choice: Thunder.”

And if you’re wondering why Thompson didn’t have OKC for Blake Griffin, here’s why: “Griffin would make an even bigger impression in Oklahoma City, where he would become an instant local star and make the fans feel it was their team (as opposed to one that had moved from Seattle). But the Thunder would have to move Green either to sixth man or to another team.” Well, I think most of us don’t really agree with that, but whatever.

Bring on the conspiracy theories, because I don’t care as long as we get Blake: “The caller to a popular early-morning show on local sports radio sounded passionate. He came across as pro NBA. It’s fantastic. The league is amazing. You get the picture. The gentleman loves this game. But that was only the preface to his main sentiment. The gist of his call contained words that were just as pointed and emphatic, but filled with skepticism. “If,” the man said, “the Oklahoma City Thunder wins the lottery, I’ll never watch the NBA again.” Of course, he spoke of Blake Griffin — the consensus best player in college basketball and top prize in this year’s NBA draft lottery. Griffin also hails from Oklahoma City, so naturally he’ll end up there as a pro, right? Just like Chicago native Derrick Rose ended up with this hometown Bulls in 2008 and Cleveland-area product LeBron James went to the Cavaliers in 2003.”

Update: Clark sent me this little news story: “Now Kyle Korver is apparently opting out. In an interview with KXNO in Des Moines he didn’t definitely say he was opting out, but he makes it clear if there is any interest at all from around the NBA, he knows it is a business and he is ready to move again. If you are looking for a silver lining, Korver made a shade under $5 million in 2008-09 and has just one year left on his contract. If he and Okur opt out, then the Jazz might have money to afford Boozer and Millsap. Oh, sorry, I forgot, most of you want Boozer to go away.” Hey Kyle, what size jersey you wear? A 42? I think we’ve got that…. yep, we sure do. In white and in blue.

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I love optimism, but let's not get ahead of ourselves - we had the 4th worst record in the league . . . 80% * 15 = 12 . . . I think there are more than three teams in the West with better shots in the immediate future . . .

I'd say 50 percent is a better estimate . . .

@Steve H
You're right, I think we have a better shot at winning a title within three years than 80% of the teams in the Western Conference

No to Boozer. Would he even be motivated to stay healthy?

@Steve H
The question is whether Detroit, Memphis, or OKC would really shell out that much for him, as opposed to waiting for the significantly better FA market next year.

As for getting Griffin *fingers crossed*!

@Keith
I don't mean this as a knock on Boozer, but I think he would do it for the money- same reason he left Cleveland. Also, I sincerely think we are closer to being contenders than Detroit is. Hell, I think we are closer to contending for a title than Utah is (Good team. Not great team. No real prospects for improvement). KD is going to be a perennial all-star, and anybody who knows anything about basketball acknowledges that Presti has put us in position to get real good, real fast. None of this Boozer talk really matters anyway, since we'll be winning the right to draft Griffin within the next 24 hrs. :)

@Steve H
Maybe they will. Detroit certainly is looking for frontcourt help, but they want a center more and already have been bitten by a defense-less stat grabber in AI. I think Boozer is considerably more valuable than AI right now, but still. Why would Boozer move to a lottery team when he could stay with the Jazz and have a chance at a title and sweet extension? Also, there will be upwards of 10 teams with ample space who will miss out on Lebron, Wade, Bosh, and Amare next year. You can bet he'll be looking at that and thinking, "Hey, someone with a bunch of money could settle for me for upwards of 17 million a year."

@Royce
Yep, I am sure, it's the one I posted on OU Insider. But if you think about it, it's not that much of a coincidence that someone browses an OU forum and a thunder blog :)

Keep up the good work here!! I really appreciate it.

@Keith
Hey, that could be, but I think SOMEBODY out there (if not us, Detroit or Memphis maybe)should be willing to cover his 15 mill next year, and 3 or 4 more years at something at least comparable to what he was making before. I know he announced earlier that he intended to opt out, and that every talking head sports commentator I've heard seemed to think the Jazz were more than happy to focus on retaining Milsap and stay under the tax threshold. He will look kinda silly if he decides to stay after essentially being told not to let the door hit him on the ass on his way out.

@Kev
I was just pointing out that one series is a pretty small sample to base a "good/bad defensive team" judgment on. Houston is a GREAT defensive team, but they sure looked like crap on a stick for a couple of those games.

@Steve H
Utah can only afford Millsap if Boozer opts out. They have no say in whether he does or not. And given the economy, number of teams with cap space this year, as well as cap space next year, I don't think he'll really opt out.

Wasn't Boozer an opt-out guy? I doubt he'd pass up guaranteed money when the market won't be on his side . . . I'm thinking he stays . . .

Would love to get Milsap, but I don't think one year's stats- especially with Boozer going down with an injury- tells you which of those two is the better player. Utah will pursue Milsap because they can afford to pay him what he is worth. Boozer is out the door, because they can't afford to keep him without incurring luxury tax. Milsap IS a very promising PF, but I don't see him playing in the all-star game any time soon. Not saying Boozer is the only play for us to make if we don't land Griffin- but he is certainly an option that would immediately improve our team.

Also, When Milsap is on the court, the defense is 4 points/100 better. And a 2 year adj. +/- of + 3.65. Milsap would be the better choice than Booz if you want one of the Jazz's Power forwards.

Just thought I would check a few sources. It looks like the Jazz as a team were #10 out of 30 in defensive rating; so top 1/3. Not bad. Booz had a fairly decent individual defensive rating of 105, the same as AK47 and Milsap. But, in the on/off court stuff, he appears to be a kind of below average defender: The team as a whole averages about 5 points per 100 possessions less when he is on the court, than when he is in the lineup. So his replacement (sometimes AK sometimes Milsap and others) did better within the framework of the defense than he did.

It looks like he is just decent at best, mostly because of the system. But as an individual defender, Booz looks poor.

If we want to be a defense first team, Booz might not be the best choice.

can't really compare the Rockets to the Jazz - the Rockets lost their two centers and was forced to play Chuck Hayes at 6-6 or so against Gasol and Bynum - the Lakers had no business being pushed to seven games -

I don't know- If you watched the right couple of Lakers/Rockets games, you would have come away thinking the Rockets could'nt play defense either. Year in/year out, I have been under the impression that Utah has been solid defensively. Put another way, if you are not playing your role and giving effort on both ends, I think Jerry Sloan screams in your face till either you or he passes out. I understand its not his calling card, but I don't think Boozer's defense makes him a liability. 20 points per. 10 boards per. Big body in the paint.

it's been widely reported that this year's Utah's team was not good defensively at ALL - I watched the Lakers series and I saw the same - he wasn't stopping anyone inside. Remember, he isn't terribly athletic to begin with - we don't need another mediocre defender, especially at double digit prices . . .

@Kev
Might not be a great defender, but hard to believe he could play for Sloan all those years and not play decent team defense. He is young enough to have years of play left in him, and has been a pretty consistant 20/10 kinda guy when healthy. As for his asking price, we would be able to front load his contract to leave payroll room down the road. Not many teams out there in this economy that could plop down 20 mill for his first year- but we could. Me likey.

@Steve H

Boozer doesn't play defense and his asking price is way too high . . .

Ugh - my percentages on our position in the lottery were off - I fail at life . . .

Sure the Knicks would take Rubio over Griffin - geesh . . . come on, that's a joke . . .

Kidd is pretty much done - I don't know why anyone is talking about adding a senior citizen . . .

If we draft Griffin, trade for Rip Hamilton. If we draft a guard, trade for Bosh.

@Nix
Starting to question Byron's eye for/ability to develop young talent as well (Bass,Birdman,that Kid from Kansas who's name escapes me), but I entirely agreed with shipping out J.R. Smith for Chandler. Smith is a knucklehead. Yes, he can fill it up when he get's hot, but he has the basketball IQ of a bag of hammers. Kidd got Scott fired after taking the Nets to back to back championship games. He also beats his wife and occasionally assaults strippers if the papers are to be believed. Why put an emphasis on bringing character guys, only to throw them in the tank with someone like Kidd. Besides, I think Westbrook should develop into a first class PG. Unless we can add a truly bad-assed, YOUNG floor general that has years of tread left on his tires (Paul,Williams,Parker,Rubio), Russell is our man.

i would love to have kidd at the right price, he may be old but still has 2 years left i think, that said he will go for the ring and i don't see us getting there so soon...
can't wait for tomorrow

Alex :
From the filename I can tell this was the screenshot I grabbed from youtube and uploaded to a forum I am very happy I was able to contribute to this awesome blog!

Wow, really? A friend of mine sent that to me in an email. What a coincidence!

It is very clear that we know who we will be drafting 1 or 2 if we get the pick. If we get any other pick besides that, i think you can say we will be getting the right player because look how Westbrook turned out to be. When i found out we drafted Westbrook, I must say i was very disheartened. I would have rather taken Bayless because he can score very well and do other things too. BUT!! whoever we select this year if we get a pick after 1 or 2 will be the right one because i place my trust in Presti after last year.....

@Steve H
I'm beginning to question Byron Scott on 'attitudes'...Do you realize how much better the Hornets would be if they had J.R. Smith?

You wouldn't say Jason Kidd is a top 5-7 PG?

The thing is everytime someone says 'he's old' somebody else says 'veteran leadership'

I would trade expiring contracts for him if I could...for sure...but multi-year deal no...

From the filename I can tell this was the screenshot I grabbed from youtube and uploaded to a forum :-) I am very happy I was able to contribute to this awesome blog!

I have flat fallen in love with the idea of adding Harden to our roster. Guy looks like a perfect fit. If we do manage to win the Blake Griffin lottery, I would like to see Presti package Jeff Green, our other first round pick, and whatever else it might take to land Harden this summer. If we could add Griffin AND Harden- we would be set for many, many years to come. Hell, if Ibaka pans out, we could just SELL our first round picks for the next couple of yers. I am soooo looking forward to tomorrow night.

@Nix
Never, ever, ever. Old. Over-paid. Bad attitude (ask Byron Scott).

@Pennington
If we don't land Griffin, I absolutely think we should pursue Boozer. Guy is a bonafide all-star and would be an amazing compliment to KD.

Would anyone else here be willing to sign J Kidd to a multi-year deal?

@Pennington
I would think not...He's had to many diva problems...bailed on the Cavs now bailing on the Jazz...

I just doubt he would resign and would cause more problems then he's worth...Whereas you could possibly trade for Bosh and he would be fine for the whole season...

Do we go after Boozer if we don't land Blake in the lotto? Is he worth the risk?

If we get the #1 Korver is an excellent pick up...

Great shooter/Weak defense...wouldn't that be how you describe Curry?

If you get Harden I don't know that Korver would be that great...

Also, does anyone know what time to tune in tomorrow to make sure we see the lotto reveal? I'm having some friends over, and it would be a bummer if we missed it.

I seem to remember it being at halftime of the first game of the night, but i'm also an idiot and likely wrong about that.

let's see... we drafted a PG last year and we desperately need size/ability at the PF spot....

sacramento has a PF that they like, but has a need at PF...

if the NBA is going to cheat the lotto, just give us the second pick. That's less conspicuous than moving us up to No. 1, and we can swap it and our other first or whatever it would take to move up to No. 1. Everybody wins. Especially me, because I want a Griffin Thunder jersey

@Keith
Haha! Yeah, that kind of sounded like a back-handed compliment to me too but I think the gist of it was, Wilcox is something of an athletic phenomenon/freak, and Hill is a good athlete, just not as athletic (that's the "as special as Wilcox was athletically") as Wilcox was.

I'd be surprised if Hill wasn't as good or better as Wilcox was/is as a PLAYER, regardless of how athletic he is or isn't when compared to Wilcox. Wilcox still could be really good, but he lacks that lunch-pail guy mentality that Hill has.

By the way, count me in the "Offer Kyle Korver a contract" group. Anytime you can add a starter (for our team, at least) who fills up one of your two biggest needs (that would be outside shooting), for a relative bargain, you do it.

People are going to make a fuss no matter who gets the top pick. There are 30 teams in the league, and 29 of them aren't getting Blake, so you can bet there will be more angry fans than happy ones. I didn't think much of it when Chicago got the first pick, but that's because I thought Beasley was the better pick for them. In fact, I'm still not sure that's wrong. How good could Beasley have been as a starter and possible top option on Chicago all year?

In any case, my favorite quote from the articles today was this: "I've heard him compared to Chris Wilcox as a rookie, but I don't think Hill is special like Wilcox was athletically. But I do think Hill is good athletically, and he'll play hard, a lunch-pail guy." What exactly does it mean to be not as special as Chris Wilcox? Is that like saying, "Well Hill is a PF, but isn't that good at all, a lot like Chris Wilcox"?

When did it become opt-outfest in Utah? For a bunch of guys who have never won anything (besides Okur as a backup in Detroit), they sure seem to overvalue themselves. Okur is a 7 foot PF who can't defend the post or consistently score. That makes him worth more than 9 million? Korver has always been a role player with little to no defense. That makes him worth more than 5 million? Even Boozer is likely to see little action above his 12 million salary. The only way those guys opt out is if they really believe someone is waiting to overpay them. I'd love Korver here, but not for more than 5 million. Okur and Krstic are practically the same person and Detroit is trying to get rid of its jump shooting center. Boozer would probably be courted, but even he has to realize the considerably better market next year. All of this is just posturing to force Utah to offer them extensions (none of these guys are really sure what the market has in store for them).

@Royce,

Point taken and it is a really good issue (I'm not going to call it a problem) to have.

Also, everyone should read Chad Ford's review of James Harden. He seems like the perfect 2-guard for our team.

I agree Nix, it would be shame for people to make a stink if we got the top pick. But oh well, I'll take a little heat for Blake.

And you're right, nobody on that list looked that enticing. Kaman would be OK, but all I'd be willing to deal would be maybe our late first rounder or swap expiring contracts.

All this conspiracy stuff just makes me mad...The Cavs had either the best chance or second best chance at landing Lebron...So throw that out...and all you have is Chicago taking Rose...

It's just sad, because at this point it looks bad on the league if we get #1...

Theoretically it's in the leagues best interest that we don't get #1...So if they do cheat the lotto, they won't let us get #1 even if the lotto gives us #1...

(I hope that last line made sense)

On the 8 most likely players to be traded, did you see anyone you would be willing to trade for? Chris Kaman was the only name that stuck out to me, but we would seriously have to get him for nothing...it's not like we need his expiring contract that bad...

@jk
I could see that happening too. What I really meant was, OKC's not moving Jeff Green as a result of getting Blake. What sense would that make?

I actually think Jeff Green would be moved to 6th man if we got Blake Griffin. He'd be perfect as a 6th man and I think it would be a role that he'd embrace. Ginobili loves being the 6th man in San Antonio because he knows that when he's on the court in the late 1st, early 2nd quarter, it is his team. He can have freedom to do create and make plays. I think that is something that Jeff Green would be tremendous at and would earn multiple 6th man of the year awards.

That "I'll never watch the NBA again" statement probably holds about as much sway as when Alec Baldwin swore he would move out of the USA for good if George Bush won a second term.....

I am so ready for tomorrow.