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Thursday Bolts – 4.9.09

Ball Don’t Lie Behind the Box Score: “First, the “112.” Because the Thunder just continue to grow, game in and game thunderbolt236out. Kevin Durant’s shot wasn’t falling, in relative terms (9-20, 2-6 from behind the arc), so he took it to the line 12 times and finished with 31 points. Russell Westbrook was using his dribble to set up his … shot? 14 and 11 assists for this firebrand, who did turn it over five times. Jeff Green (24 points) is savvy beyond his years. And I’m not saying that, as many do, because he’s slow. He’s slow and savvy and young and awesome. Shaun Livingston had six points, two rebounds, three assists, a turnover and two steals off the bench in 17 minutes, and though he had no chance trying to guard Chauncey Billups, considering how he’s spent his last two April 8ths, I’d say this was a step forward. And the Thunder lost. Because they’re young, and the Nuggets are not.”

David Aldridge has 10 things that would help the NBA: “It would be good for the league if Blake Griffin goes to Oklahoma City. Obviously, having Griffin — can I say his name now? — play professionally 40 minutes from where he starred in college would be huge for the Thunder’s bottom line. Oklahoma City’s management team has astutely built a promising nucleus, and needs a space-eater inside. But Griffin to OKC would also benefit the league by assuring that Kevin Durant, a superstar in waiting, gets the kind of exposure he deserves as he enters the meat of his career. Durant’s game is hellacious, but if the Thunder keep losing 50 games a year, nobody’s going to notice.”

ESPN has this “clip reel” thing that’s got a bunch of Thunder links and videos and such. Very neato: “In our new issue, we have a feature on the Oklahoma City Thunder—potentially the Western Conference’s new “it” team a few years down the road—which you can read by clicking here. Ric Bucher’s words are epic, to be sure, but sometimes when reading a story about something that hasn’t quite happened yet, you want a few more resources on the squad, both print and video, right? That’s where this comes in.”

The best Kevin Durant clips on the web (according to some guy): “The GM of the Thunder, Mr. Sam Presti, is a Spurs guy (RC Buford, the leader of the Spurs, might be the most underrated exec in all of sports) and he’s building a pretty good team in OK City. The number one dude is Kevin Durant, a ridiculous offensive talent who could be a consensus bar debate answer to “ten best players in the Association” in three or four years. This Thursday, we’re dropping a feature about the Thunder’s future (can you imagine if they nab OK boy Blake Griffin?) which you should read. In the meantime, it’s time to evaluate the best KD clips on the world wide web.”

George Karl on the Thunder: “I love the nucleus of their team,” Karl said. “It’s a young team that’s going to have growing pains. But (Kevin) Durant is going to lead the league in scoring someday. (Jeff) Green, a lot of people compare him to Scottie Pippen, and the reason is because he’s fundamentally sound in almost every area. And (Russell) Westbrook, if you don’t stay in front of him, he’s extremely dangerous … (Nenad) Krstic is playing well. They seem to have some more confidence in him. (Thabo) Sefolosha, I think they’re trying to turn him into a Bruce Bowen-type of player, and I think he’s capable of handling that situation … I think they’re in a great place. And I read that they have like 47 draft picks in the next two years. They’ve put themselves in a good place. And not many people know about it, but Oklahoma City is kind of a tough place to play.”

Roundball Mining Company: “There you have it. An uninspiring win against a scrappy team (note I said scrappy, not crappy although their record would suggest otherwise). My final thoughts are that Nene was absolutely terrible on defense. He never stepped out to challenge a shooter when he had to and he was soft on screens. Birdman blocked a bunch of shots (seven), but went after a bunch of other shots that opened the lane up for offensive rebounds. The Thunder were only credited with 13 offensive boards, but I guarantee you that number is low. Once again the transition defense was nearly nonexistent.”

FanHouse power rankings: “Malik Rose “doesn’t think” the Thunder are packing it in — and I “don’t think” he has a clue.”

Dime has its top 10 D-League players and Gary Forbes is No. 6: “Forbes is in elite company in UMass history. He and Julius Erving are the only two players to record 1,000 points in two season or less. Now the 6-7 forward is the picture of consistency. He’s good for 18 points and 8 boards pretty much every time he’s on the court. Forbes is the kind of player who gets his no matter what’s going on around him – on the road this year, he’s shooting 50.4% from the floor and a sky-high 47.6% from three.”

Interesting note from Hardwood Paroxysm: “So Griffin’s going pro. Surprise surprise. Now the fun part begins. There’s a widespread assumption that he’ll go #1.  I’m not so sure. Look at the teams at the top of the lottery. The Kings have Shock and Hawes and need something to undo the horror that is Udrih’s contract. Plus if they don’t take Rubio, Tom Ziller will hold shiva. Now, Tom told me that when you’re a team that wins 17 games, you take the BPA approach. But you have pieces to build around there. I’m not certain if Griffin is the direction they want to head.” And he says obviously the Clippers are front court loaded already. So could there be a possibility of OKC getting say the second or third pick and still have a chance of landing Blake?

Shaun Livingston almost signed with Denver: “Coach George Karl confirmed Wednesday the Nuggets late last month went after free-agent Shaun Livingston. And, for a time, they were very optimistic about landing him. “I got the feeling it was pretty close,” said Karl, who said Denver, which signed point guard Jason Hart on March 3, came in second for the former top prospect who is trying to come back from a devastating knee injury. Shortly after the Nuggets had courted Livingston, he ended up signing March 31 with Oklahoma City, which fell 122-112 to Denver on Wednesday night at the Pepsi Center. “It was an option,” Livingston said of the Nuggets. “We looked at Denver. They were probably up there because of the opportunity to play in the playoffs.”

Hmm, I know which one I pick: “What’s worse at this point? Playing with more energy but still being incapable of executing down the stretch like the Thunder has shown in its last two? Or not showing much fight whatsoever and losing by 35 and 18 on your home court as OKC did in the previous two? I think we all know the answer, but both are bad to watch. The former perhaps tougher because it’s the same thing time and time again.”

Berry Tramel: “To the Thunder fan experience. The Thunder gradually has raised the game-night presentation all season, and the giving away of three new cars Tuesday night was a nice thank you to the fans who have supported them well.”

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@MartzMimic
I am surprised the WNBA has now been mentioned. Isn't this there last season?

@Royce
agreed...

but enough of this...

@MartzMimic
I saw that. That's pretty surprising. The most dominant (stastically) player in women's college basketball history dropping to seventh. But she looked like she regressed through her career. I don't think she was as good as a senior as she was as a freshman.

OK, we've talked about Blake for obvious reasons. I think even Sam Bradford's name has made it into this column once or twice. Is anyone else surprised that Courtney Paris fell to 7th in the WNBA draft?

actually character wise you'd be surprised...

I hate playing the 'I saw him in highschool card'...but...I did...

and he really is outstanding...Griffin was mugged a million times this season and he got up and walked away each time...He was literally body slammed by a guy and he walked off.

Now of course Duncan is on a very high level compared to others...but Griffin is a solid guy...plus...I wouldn't want him to be as boring as Duncan...

@Bernard
Comparing any rookie to one of the best of all time (Tim Duncan) may be a little far, but I don't Boozer does him justice. Boozer isn't very athletic, can't defend, has no outside shot, and benefits from playing on a team without another true big (Millsap is his backup and Okur is a jump-shooter). Boozer is one of those guys that's really good, but not elite like he thinks he is. I think Griffin could be elite.

They also have more similar games. Griffin and TD are lethal inside 12 feet, but can keep defenses honest further out if necessary. Both are terrific rebounders that use both their physical skills and smarts to get in position. Both have great hands and utilize a lot of small motions to get just the tiny sliver of an opening that they want.

comparing Griffin to Tim Duncan is way too far.
I think he is going to be a carlos boozer, in terms of playing style, not personal character.

@Nix
Obviously you work on getting a solid starting 5 before you worry about role players. Durant plays close to 40 a night. Everyone starting won't be playing that much, but put it in perspective that backups play only about 25% the amount of the time that the starters play, and it's not contest. Even more important is in the playoffs, when the bench gets shortened and starter minutes go up.

I think Griffin would be a perfect 5 for this team. He's unselfish, can bang and score in the low post, and will not have to worry about fouls, thus allowing him to play a lot harder on the defensive end. I'd love to still pick up a primarily defensive center as a backup, but Griffin could be our Tim Duncan (who is a center, despite what he calls himself).

anyone else see the NBA home page on ESPN? Video interview of KD, Jeff and RW...Exposure friends

Wouldn't this be a lovely problem to offically have?

Realistically the trade value for Thabo has gone up big time...

(Most likely) The trade value for Weaver, Livingston, Kristic and White are up as well...in some cases that value is up real big.

I'm certainly not saying to trade them...but it is definitely an option if we're looking to get a true defensive 5 (in the whole Griffin at 4 scheme).

The question is do you sure up your starting 5 first or do you keep the role players you've accumulated?

I say we should let Griffin play the back up 4 in early season and see how he handles NBA before making Uncle Jeff go to bench. Right now nobody knows how his game is going to translate in NBA, it is good that 1. we have durant to handle the scoring pressure. 2. We can afford to lose some games for the sake of players' development.

I don't see why they couldn't play Griffin at center. I think he'll be dominant NBA defender since he won't be trying to clean up Austin Johnson and Tony Crocker's table scraps around the rim. Al Jefferson is a good comparison and Griffin is arguably more athletic and a better shot blocker.

Royce :

Vega :@RoyceNot a tough call at all. Put Griffin at center. He can handle it.

I think so too. That’s what I’d do. You’d have an incredibly athletic starting five with a solid offensive center in Krstic off the bench. Plus plenty of big men are 6-10 and under. Al Horford is 6-9. Al Jefferson 6-10. David Lee 6-8/6-9. It can be done. Especially with a guy as athletic as Griffin.
I wouldn’t move KD back to the two. I’d move Uncle Jeff to the bench before I did that.

I don't think you could start Griffin, Green, and Durant at the 5, 4, and 3--they simply wouldn't defend anyone. Griffin is a true 4 from all I have seen. None of those 3 are standouts on defense by any stretch, and the Thunder badly need interior defense to stop penetration. You'd have to get a defensive-minded center and move Green to the bench, spelling Griffin or Durant. Which wouldn't be a bad idea...

@Royce
I think Uncle Jeff would be a good Kirilenko/Maggete bench player. We could start DJ White and give him twenty minutes, and give Jeff thirty minutes of the bench.

He obviously did last year.

Vega :@RoyceNot a tough call at all. Put Griffin at center. He can handle it.

I think so too. That's what I'd do. You'd have an incredibly athletic starting five with a solid offensive center in Krstic off the bench. Plus plenty of big men are 6-10 and under. Al Horford is 6-9. Al Jefferson 6-10. David Lee 6-8/6-9. It can be done. Especially with a guy as athletic as Griffin.

I wouldn't move KD back to the two. I'd move Uncle Jeff to the bench before I did that.

@Vega
Part of me thinks that way too, but I hesitate to think the commissioner would influence something like that. It kind of scares me.

@Royce
Not a tough call at all. Put Griffin at center. He can handle it.

This may sound stupid, but I fully expect the Thunder to get the first pick. Stern knows how much people in Oklahoma love Griffin. He will see that the best option is to give the Oklahoma team their beloved hometown hero. He did it with Derrick Rose last year. Why not this year?

@Jordan
I'm torn. On one hand I think Griffin will be a much more productive player and he fits the need of the team better than Jeff Green. On the other, Durant, Green and Westbrook have built a pretty awesome chemistry and I worry about breaking that up.

It's a really tough call. The fact is, if we get Griffin and get to keep Jeff Green, either Blake is playing center, Jeff moves to the bench or KD moves back to the two. Kind of a tough call all the way around.

Good question Royce...Would I give up Jeff Green and the number 3 for Griffin? Yes. I guess the only people I wouldn't package with the pick is Westbrook or Durant. Thoughts?

Nothing that will seriously affect our core. You don't get rid of part of your core to get another piece. You basically don't accomplish anything.

It's not like anyone will actually trade the first overall pick anyway. It never happens, especially with a darn good player like Griffin as the consensus number one.

Plus, it's not like it's the end of the world if we don't get Griffin. There are plenty of decent prospects available with a lower pick, plus, there is always the possibility that we could trade a lower pick for something.

@Jordan
I totally agree. Like you said, I could see a team like the Clips or the Kings possibly trading down to two or three to get Rubio, but he's the only guy I think people would move for. Nobody is trading down to get James Harden or Thabeet.

The question is, say OKC is picking third - what would you give up (on top of the third pick) to move up to one?

There is no way the team that has the number one pick doesn't take Griffin. They may trade him but Griffin is heads above anyone else obviously.

You know, we should have signed a few big man prospects from the D-League. It couldn't have hurt.

Are the Knicks afraid they will be below the player minimum this offseason?

@Vega
Woo, now they've got two of our former flops.

The Knicks have signed Mo Sene.